Dmitar

Sure, it's a name from a foreign culture that gives a name to their babies a profound definition. It has nothing to do with worship, as it would be when using YHVH. This would also go toward interpretation. You looked up one possible definition. The name Dimitar is primarily a male name of Slavic origin that means Devotee Of Demeter.
Are we going to play with monikers just because you can't answer why you use JHVH, a language invention of man? Should I question why you use "witness" that uses that moniker, as a means to be a witness of Pearl Doxsey's abuse of scripture?
However, I won't use my explanation on why you use witness as a moniker, when you have your own reason.

Among Israel, there were many more bad kings than there were good ones.  When the bad kings ruled, idolatry and the sins of the people prevented God from protecting them.  There were false prophets who misled the people, and God would say, "don't listen to them".  (Jer 23:16)  The organization's leadership, expect each JW to listen to them, even if their have taught a lie for years.  Their word wields more power over JWs, than the advice, the warning, the words of God and His Son.  The people suffered when the rulership became domineering, abusive, breaking their covenant with God which required obedience to His laws.  Only remnants of repentant ones, who realized their sins and called out to God for help, were taken back with open arms.  That cannot be translated into "apostates" returning to an organization that has told lies from the beginning. 
The Wt's "kings" who rule over 8 million people, are domineering, abusive, and have broken their covenant with God by instituting man-made rules necessary for  the operation of an organization.  That is the same pattern that has occurred in the scriptures.  God's full laws in Christ have been broken by the insertion of just one of the Wt's many doctrines of men. Doctrines that are forever changing and are never to be found correct.  They have added and taken away from the word of God and JWs tolerate it.
No, God does not allow His Spirit to bless a people who reject the teachings of Jesus Christ, and condone the teachings of men.  Although they may speak of them, the leadership has rejected God and His Son.  When the nation of Israel was sinning and committing idolatry, out of one side of their mouth, they would also praise God.  That didn't go well in Elijah's day.  (1 Kings 18:21)
1 Sam 8 - 
So all the elders of Israel gathered together and went to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Therefore, appoint a king to judge us the same as all the other nations have.”
6 When they said, “Give us a king to judge us,” Samuel considered their demand wrong, so he prayed to the Lord. 7 But the Lord told him, “Listen to the people and everything they say to you. They have not rejected you; they have rejected Me as their King. 8 They are doing the same thing to you that they have done to me, since the day I brought them out of Egypt until this day, abandoning Me and worshiping other gods. 9 Listen to them, but solemnly warn them and tell them about the customary rights of the king who will reign over them.”
10 Samuel told all the Lord’s words to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “These are the rights of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and put them to his use in his chariots, on his horses, or running in front of his chariots. 12 He can appoint them for his use as commanders of thousands or commanders of fifties, to plow his ground and reap his harvest, or to make his weapons of war and the equipment for his chariots. 13 He can take your daughters to become perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 He can take your best fields, vineyards, and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He can take a tenth of your grain and your vineyards and give them to his officials and servants. 16 He can take your male servants, your female servants, your best cattle,[b] and your donkeys and use them for his work. 17 He can take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves can become his servants. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out because of the king you’ve chosen for yourselves, but the Lord won’t answer you on that day.”
19 The people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We must have a king over us. 20 Then we’ll be like all the other nations: our king will judge us, go out before us, and fight our battles.”
21 Samuel listened to all the people’s words and then repeated them to the Lord. 22 “Listen to them,” the Lord told Samuel. “Appoint a king for them.”
 
 
 

Can you explain why you use the name "Dmitar"?  
This name derives from the Ancient Greek name “Dēmḗtrios (Δημήτριος)”, from “Dēmḗtēr (Δημήτηρ)”, composed of two elements: “gê (γῆ)” (Proto-Albanian / Illyrian “*dže / dhe”) (land, earth, country, soil) plus “mā́tēr ‎(μᾱ́τηρ) mḗtēr (μήτηρ) (mother, source or origin). In turn the name means “mother-earth, of Demeter, dedicated to Demeter, son of Demeter”. Demeter is the goddess of corn, grain, and the harvest. She is the daughter of Cronus and Rhea. It is Demeter that makes the crops grow each year. The first loaf of bread from the harvest is sacrificed to her. Demeter is the goddess of the earth, of agriculture, and of fertility in general. Sacred to her are livestock and agricultural products, the poppy, the narcissus and the crane. Demeter is intimately associated with the seasons. Her daughter Persephone was abducted by Hades to be his wife in the underworld.
https://www.name-doctor.com/name-dmitar-meaning-of-dmitar-9419.html

Why do you hate Jehovah?

Why do you hate Jehovah?

Why do you hate Jehovah?

Why do you hate Jehovah?

Thanks for the extended comment.
You mention looking through "human eyes" and through "God's eyes". I fear that the assurances that man can look through the “eyes of God” will lead us nowhere. Looking at the spiritual is connected with faith. And faith is a personal feeling and state of mind. I think it is not necessary to go further in explaining what our beliefs bring to us, because it is a part of our everyday life that provides material evidence of the faith of individuals and organizations.
Iinteresting, it is a constantly unclear state of what an organization is and what believers are within an organization. That betel member talks about a lot of bad things in the organization, you said. What does he mean? Does he mean the legal aspect of a company that has poor corporate regulation? Or does he mean people who are responsible persons and represent a legal entity in a broad conglomerate of a multitude of different legal bodies that have been legalized before the authorities? Does he mean the spiritual or some other condition of the believers who are members of the organization? .... etc.
It is not clear to me what this is supposed to mean: God and the control of his people.
What kind of control is this? People want to have control over people. So does God want to have control over people too? If he lets go of Armageddon then he will gain some control over events. But I don't think he will ever have control over people.  

Okay….nicely …..🙃..your both wrong and right…off course we beleive in the basic doctrines of what Russell understood from the scriptures and corrected….
…Gods kingdom plan…
no trinity..
dead do not go to heaven..
the grave is hell…
Jesus king of the Kingdom which he will hand back to his father when perfection has been achieved..
Having no part of the world.
..the 144,000 anointed are the first resurrection and will rule as kings alongside Jesus…
there will be a great crowd who survive the tribulation.
the soul is man in the flesh…
we are awaiting Judgement day of a thousand years and the great resurrection over which Jesus will rule and organise….
How to pray…
Those who do Not take the mark of the beast will be saved…faith in Jesus and baptism..
the preaching work must be done  before the end
Satan is a fallen angel with followers who rules the world at this time.
As far as us changing thoughts..off course we have….Russell distributed food at the proper time..and it seems only at sufficient amounts that the world could consume at that time…he was fed gradually just as the apostles were fed.
yes you are right about the new light and old light stuff…I’m not going to defend that…how can I !!,
We have had good changes…and bad changes..some which then got changed back to what Russell first thought…and other changes that had to be changed because Russell had it wrong…
We have had men go beyond the written word and put in their own interpretations….types and anti types..etc..and they have had to be acknowledged….we had to acknowledge and correct policies…we still dont have everything right and nor will we get it all right….and we will all hold a accounting  before Jehovah…
You know ….if I had been Uriah’s mother …I would have absolutely hated and despised with the greatest of loathing King David……I would have wanted ..no…I would have demanded him stoned to death as The Law stated….in my pain and grief…….now where do you think my righteous anger and my right-full demanding of justice would have left Jehovah’s great plan…..and that is what you are missing …..you are lacking the understanding  of what Jehovah will put up with to accomplish  his plan….and also his depth of mercy…
So you and others come on forums and tear down..at times rightfully so…at times blatantly wrong…you really dont understand what you are doing because you see thru your eyes…mere human eyes…..thus incapable as to trying to see it thru Jehovah’s eyes of understanding …you cannot even work it out by the patterns laid out in the scriptures of how Jehovah’s people act and how he treats them.
Five or six years ago a brother from bethel stated at an assembly that they were aware there  were a lot of things wrong with the organization and they were trying to fix them but he didnt think they would be able to correct everything before the end…
They Know Sereko..and Jehovah knows….now it’s time to trust in Jehovah…or do you think Jehovah cannot control his people…whom ever they are?
 
 

You should not react like that to the "defeat" you have experienced. @JW Insider defends the facts, not me. But I am glad that he understood my comments and found time to find excerpts from the WT literature that indicate the thing we were talking about.

Then your impudence just wants to be argumentative. If you want to look for a dog to kick, look at @Pudgy. I will not engage in your quest for notoriety.
Then you hung around with the wrong crowd if you contend you are a Jehovah's Witness. This statement just shows poor judgment in your part, and the right judgment in theirs. 
If you're going to be @Srecko Sostar mouth peace, I will not engage, since it appears you as a Jehovah's Witness has a big problem with your own institution. I like to discuss the true nature of an institution, not some imaginary conclusion from a haughty person. Since my conversations also include followup questions to make things clearer, your intervention is not needed.
However, I wasn't aware. @Srecko Sostarneeded a handler, and he is unable to speak for himself like a child. I was unaware of your conditions here. I didn't know Jehovah's Witnesses "defend" former members that disparage this institution by intentional bad reports. You can continue with your quarrelsome endeavor like a boss, just not mine.

@Witness
Can you also explain how Pearl Doxsey has no commerce with her blogs and is affiliated with The Final Witness (ChristDisciples) and they generate their revenue from Google, Facebook, Twitter Ads?

Perhaps this is what you are referring to. I think, maybe I’m confusing where someone asked Rutherford if he was a Bible Student, not a Jehovah’s Witness. What you speak can be found in the 1941 St Louis Convention report and in The Jehovah’s Witnesses Proclaimers book.
The brethren appreciated the follow­ing: "I want to let any strangers here know what you think about a man being your leader, so they won’t be forgetting. Every time something rises up and start* to grow, they say there is some man a leader who has a great following. If there is any person in this audience who thinks that I, this man standing here, is the leader of Jehovah* witnesses, say Yes. [Not one said Yes.] If you who are here believe that I am just one of the servants of the Lord, and we are working shoulder to ‘shoulder in unity, serving God and serving Christ, say Yes." (A great shout of “Yes" followed.)
 
Unfortunately, human nature goes unchecked, and the impulse to criticize someone becomes a necessity to some that cannot conduct themselves as our lord and savior commanded, without compulsion.  It is evident with the remarks this one @JW Insider finds it necessary. Sometimes, in this institution,  leaders, especially one that has held a position of an Elder or Ministerial Servant, they don’t heed the spiritual advice of 1 Peter 5:1-3.
ESV  1 Peter 5:2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; (1 Pet. 5:2 ESV)
I humbly accept this person’s ridicule even though it was unintentional, and I humbly apologized for it. Can that person say the same? However, thank you for your personal thought. It is greatly appreciated.

Can you explain this?…it’s a messy statement…and not really true…rather misleading actually…from what I’ve read they couldn’t go along with some of the changes Rutherford  brought In…the one I’m thinking about is how he changed the understanding of the ARK representing Jesus ransom…to the earthly organization…and who can blame them for that…because that one thing led to a fair bit  of dogmatism..and heavy handiness ….and was so totally wrong…..so I do get why they with drew away from what Rutherford was pushing….but I dont know that we have ever said we do not beleive what Bible students once believed…??
I read an account of one JW who was not happy with what was happening with in the org so he went to the Bible students..a few different ones..but said he found the same problems within them as he had found with  us…
I like all Bible students…the ones I’ve talked with are kind and generous people doing the best they can….they seem a bit loose on pagan holidays…sometimes I think…wrongly or rightly they are caught in a time warp of Russell’s full teachings…not realizing he was just coming out of BTG and tho used by Jehovah very greatly..along with his associates of that time period ..he and they never had the time and the time was not right for a fuller understanding  of certain things…but he had a lot right..I admire him greatly…and I’m not saying we have everything right either…because we don’t!

This history is all very interesting. But it's too easy to make statements that aren't exactly accurate, even though you are making them for the good purpose of counteracting someone else's statements that are inaccurate in another way.
For example, your quoted statement above would appear to be "off" a bit, highly oversimplified. At least, that is, if you trust the WTS wording of the charter of the original WTBTS (of PA) and compare it with the charter of the People's Pulpit (which was renamed the WTBTS of New York). The WTS also said that the initial purpose of the Peoples Pulpit was simply to own property in NY, which wasn't covered under the charter of the WTBTS of Pennsylvania.
Most people don't have the time or desire to look into any of these matters too deeply, so it's good not to oversimplify too much when trying to make a point about the technical differences and relationships between Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses.
If one wanted to be even more technical, Rutherford never believed it was right to speak of the "great crowd" of "other sheep" as Jehovah's Witnesses. After all, initially at least, they were "fools."
The “great multitude” class ... have been fools, and so called by the Scriptures, ... These claim to be the people of God and convince themselves that they are; but they are foolish. (WT 10/15/1931 p.311)
At that time the . . . “other sheep” were not considered to be “Jehovah’s witnesses.”—See The Watchtower, August 15, 1934 ... (WT 2/15/1966 p.120)
Even in 1931, the Great Crowd was still considered a heavenly class who would not come through the great tribulation, but would have to die, and be resurrected as spirit beings. The WT "proved" this from Revelation 7:14. They were to be a class of heavenly beings but lower than the "little flock" because they had been negligent of their consecration and lost out on the higher calling.
The “great multitude” or “tribulation” class ... will not be spared in the great time of
trouble, but, on the contrary, they are appointed to die; . . . they will fall. (Zech. 14: 2) They will not be carried through the time of trouble. They will be forced into the time of trouble . . . but must die in order to live as spirit creatures. (WT 9/1/1931 p.262)
In 1934, the "remnant" who were the only ones called "Jehovah's WItnesses" would survive Armageddon, but the "great multitude" would NOT survive Armageddon, although the Jonadab class would survive.
The faithful remnant . . .will survive Armageddon. ... The “great multitude” ["great crowd"] will not survive Armageddon, ... God’s promise is to preserve a remnant, and not a vast multitude. The “great multitude” are appointed to die. The Scriptures also show that the Jonadab class will survive Armageddon. (WT 3/15/1934 p.92)
Today, of course, the Jonadab class is understood to have been the great multitude, who WILL survive Armageddon, and it's now the faithful remnant who will NOT survive Armageddon as humans (per recent information repeated at the Annual Meeting by Brother Herd).
It was in August 1935 when the Jonadabs became the Great Crowd (great multitude), but were still not counted as Jehovah's Witnesses. They had been specifically told in the WT that they were not even invited to attend the Memorial celebration because they were not Jehovah's Witnesses. (Finally invited in 1938.) They weren't even considered members of the organization because they did not bear the "official name."
Those who form the great multitude are appointed to places of service in the Lord’s organization although they are not members of the organization. (WT 8/15/1937 p.239)
But it wasn't until well after Rutherford died, when the January 15, 1946 Watchtower finally included the "other sheep" as "Jehovah's Witnesses."
Just saying there are a lot of nuances in the transition of beliefs (and naming conventions) during the times of Russell, Rutherford and Knorr/Franz.

Instead of acknowledging what Srecko is saying about continuity, you are treating it as if it's a trick question. Like asking if Muhammed Ali ever won a boxing match against Sonny Liston. The answer is yes and no. His name was Cassius Clay when he fought Sonny Liston. 
In the same way, yes, I know many Jehovah's Witnesses who celebrated Christmas before they were baptized, and I even knew a few Jehovah's Witnesses at Brooklyn Bethel who celebrated Christmas after they were baptized, but before they called themselves by the name Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, I was once in the same room with at least three of them where they had celebrated Christmas 49 years earlier. But I have never known any Witnesses who celebrated Christmas after they began calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.
Since Srecko was talking about the continuity of the teachings of the Watchtower Society he appears to have meant this idea in much the same way that the Watchtower means it when it uses some of the following types of expressions, and these are just a few examples out of many more:
*** w98 9/15 p. 32 The War That Destroyed the 19th Century ***
For over 120 years, Jehovah’s Witnesses have pointed to 1914 as the end of what Jesus called “the appointed times of the nations.”
*** w65 7/1 p. 394 par. 9 Plaguing the Modern “Egyptians” with Truth ***
While all seven annual messages sounded by Jehovah’s witnesses from 1922 to 1928 concluded with such appeals, it was particularly the Resolution of 1927, passed at their international assembly in Toronto, Canada, that highlighted this feature
*** w91 4/1 p. 7 Is It Later Than You Think? ***
Since 1914, however, Jehovah’s Witnesses have done that, in spite of the persecution Jesus foretold—government bans, mob violence, imprisonments, torture, and many deaths.
In 1919 there were 4,000 of Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching this good news.
*** w78 6/1 p. 23 par. 11 Co-Workers in the Harvest ***
In 1918 . . . the leading members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses were railroaded off to the penitentiary for a 20-year imprisonment. In the eyes of their enemies they appeared as unburied corpses.
*** w83 2/15 p. 11 A Notable Annual Meeting ***
. L. A. Swingle reviewed the worldwide expansion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, from 3,868 publishers in 1918 to the more than 2,300,000 today.
*** w81 5/1 p. 17 par. 2 If God Has an Organization, What Is It? ***
At the same time, particularly since the year 1922, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been efficiently organized for fulfilling the prophecy of Jesus
*** w80 10/1 p. 28 par. 16 After These “Last Days” God’s Messianic Kingdom! ***
What Jehovah’s Witnesses have preached world wide since 1918 is something unique,
*** w09 5/1 p. 22 Brooklyn Bethel—100 Years of History ***
THE year 1909 was a momentous one . . . It was also a momentous year for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Earlier, Charles Taze Russell, president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the legal arm of Jehovah’s Witnesses, had seen the potential for expanding the preaching of the good news of God’s Kingdom.
*** w01 1/15 p. 29 How the Governing Body Differs From a Legal Corporation ***
The International Bible Students Association is used in Britain [in 2001].
*** w01 1/15 p. 30 How the Governing Body Differs From a Legal Corporation ***
Especially noteworthy was 1931 when the Bible Students adopted the name Jehovah’s Witnesses.
*** w55 3/1 p. 141 Part 5—The Warning Work (1909-1914) ***
To hold this new property in New York state and to do business as a recognized religious body within this state it was necessary to form a New York corporation. Such corporation came into legal existence February 23, 1909, as decreed by New York Supreme Court Justice Isaac N. Miller. PEOPLES PULPIT ASSOCIATION was its name for thirty years. Then in 1939 that was legally changed to its present name, WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY, INC., similar to that of the Pennsylvania corporation, WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY.

Oh Dimmy dimwit. Do I frighten you ? Do i upset you ? That you cannot stop mentioning me. Even though you say you will ignore me  you cannot stop mentioning me. 
To anyone that wishes to know why Dimmy keeps mentioning this : - 
I used the term 'Greek Scriptures' instead of using the term 'New Testament'
It is because those writings were written in Greek. Although I have read that Matthew was originally in Hebrew.
Dimmy seems to prefer the words 'New Testament' which is her choice. But she does seem upset about it.   
 

In response to the question posted. I looked everywhere for the article in question. I’m afraid it might have been held in my hard drive that crashed, and al thel information I held dearly, was lost. Likewise, I’m not referring to the article in 1931 Gold Age which states if someone would ask a fellow service worker who they were, they would answer, "I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
This was meant to be a cry of separation among all those groups that were being falsely identified, such as Russellites, Millennial Dawn People, ISBA, etc. to that of the Ecclesiastes tabernacle of Rutherford.
I cannot recall if it was the Ohio convention or the St Louis convention. Since I cannot produce the article, I can only say, I sincerely apologize. I have made an unintentional bad report. That was not my intent,
This in no way impedes anyone if they wish to ridicule me. It’s your right. If for some reason, I ever come across that article, that stated, “am I one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and the audience replied, NO! In a loud voice, I will be no more than happy to share it here.

Okay, thank you. When you read the articles correctly. Are you one of those Jehovah Witness giving out a bad report about it? I will not engage in your quarrel. 

The way I understand, your bad report is you believe the name Jehovah is wrong, which is wrong in itself. The correct way to view the Hebrew language is with its proper linguistic orientation. Therefore, it makes no difference under the Hebrew language if you use either or. Under the reconstruction of the Hebrew lettering to modern times, Jehovah is the most appropriate use of his name. The Jewish nation made the adjustment, that the German reformers used to translate it to English.
However, I see where you get your bad report from, Pearl Doxsey.

Same question.


Unless you're a linguistic scholar. Not someone like @Patiently waiting for Truth that likes to use the phrase Geek Scripture as though It's supposed to mean something entirely different.

Well that is an arrogant statement, by thinking that the Wt, which cannot show justice and mercy to victims of child abuse, is acceptable to God. He didn't hesitate to mince words about His people in the past, who did the same thing.
I hate, I despise your feasts,
    and I can’t stand your solemn assemblies.
22 Yes, though you offer me your burnt offerings and meal offerings,
    I will not accept them;
    neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat animals.
23 Take away from me the noise of your songs!
    I will not listen to the music of your harps.
24 But let justice roll on like rivers,
    and righteousness like a mighty stream.  Amos 5
The simple hearts, those who try to live their life by the teachings of Jesus even if they have a few ideas off base, will be judged with righteousness.  It is the Wt, which holds God's anointed priesthood who must "teach the people" but don't,  (Mal 2:7) -  it is they who will face greater judgment and condemnation.  Mal 2:8,9,17; Rev 18:4-8
 
 
 
 

If this scheme is correct, schisms are a normal occurrence in the lives of these Christians. Even more, it started in the 1st century!
The question of schism does not affect the facts set forth before. Try something else, please.  

That sounds like it should have been at the St. Louis assembly. Where does Rutherford say he was NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

It does an injustice to the visitors to place both Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses in the same pendulum. That's a bad report even from Jehovah Witnesses themselves.