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Dmitar

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    Dmitar got a reaction from Matthew9969 in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    Can you explain, what if a person has experienced even more darkness than you? How can this white supremacist video help a visitor?
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Christ own words and action.
    CJB: Mark 12:41-44
    41 Then Yeshua sat down opposite the Temple treasury and watched the crowd as they put money into the offering-boxes. Many rich people put in large sums, 42 but a poor widow came and put in two small coins. 43 He called his talmidim to him and said to them, “Yes! I tell you, this poor widow has put more in the offering-box than all the others making donations. 44 For all of them, out of their wealth, have contributed money they can easily spare; but she, out of her poverty, has given everything she had to live on.” 
     
    Here, former members of this institution in question, promote a false classification of what a donation to the church means? They apply animosity to their argument that is scripturally supported. First Century church donations were used not only to care for the poor but to expand the church of Christ. There are many ways to expand the church. 
     
    The Christian Community
    "The birth of the Christian community, or “the church,” usually is associated with the event recounted in the book of the Bible known as The Acts of the Apostles, when 3,000 people were baptized in Jerusalem after the extraordinary witness of Jesus’ disciples, who spoke in a multitude of foreign tongues after receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit."
    There is nothing wrong with having spiritual leaders. Giving a "bad Report" about spiritual leaders is. 
     
    An Elect People (1 Thes. 1:1-4)
     They followed their spiritual leaders (v. 6 a). The word "followers" is actually "imitators." These new believers not only accepted the message and the messengers, but they also imitated their lives. This led to severe persecution. It is important that young Christians respect spiritual leadership and learn from mature believers. Just as a newborn baby needs a family, so a newborn Christian needs the local church and the leaders there. "Obey them that have the [spiritual] rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls" (Heb 13:17). It is not enough for us as mature believers to win souls; we must also watch for souls and encourage new Christians to obey God's Word,
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    To Visitors.
    I wonder if there will be any civil discussions here in this forum. It is clear, no one here can stop being rude and obnoxious to have a sensible Christian debate.
    However, former Witnesses here disparage their former institution while using conduct unbecoming a true follower of Christ. How is this behavior not questionable?
    "Our desires may undo us"
    2. Undisciplined desire is never reasonable. All considerations of fairness and justice, of right and wrong, of doing "to others what we would, they should do to us," must give way to this masterful desire.
     
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    This would be your projection of this institution. How did the apostles convey their spirituality if it didn't come directly from God? 
    How about not making assumptions to the visitor with your personal animosity.
    Are you explaining to the public, people like Pearl Doxsey convey the 4woman spirituality through their blogs?
    Can it be said, that the Pope is conveying his spirituality through the Vatican as a single man?
    Would this be more projection for unwilling to understand the words of a spiritual leader?
    Can you explain to the visitor, who gave you the power to challenge God?
    Since I don't allow myself to be influenced by no one, here. How does your statement make any sense if your own willful refusal of scripture is undisciplined?
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    “To the pure, everything is pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; in fact, both their mind and conscience are defiled. “
    This means,
    “Everything is pure for someone whose heart is pure.”  Why is their heart pure?  Because they do not entertain the impure.  Right? They guard their heart.   If a heart is defiled, would they perceive the pure?
    Titus 1:16 – “They claim to know God, but they deny God by the things that they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and disqualified to do anything good.”
    Rom 14 - So then, let us pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another. 20 Do not tear down God’s work because of food. Everything is clean, but it is wrong to make someone fall by what he eats. 21 It is a good thing not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do anything that makes your brother or sister stumble.
    Now this is an interesting choice, obviously concerning literal food and the Jewish law.  How do you compare this with Matt 7:15-20 which advises us on how to choose our spiritual food?
    Which takes us back to the video and the contradictive message on music published in the magazine; and the leadership's choice for the convention, which clearly disregards the spiritual food provided as a guide.  Do they deny God by the things that they do?
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    I hate to say this so bluntly, but maybe the real idiots are those who are duped by a deceiving leadership.  This video reveals the worldly music used by the organization, at the end of the 2016 Regional Convention in their video on paradise.  
     
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    Right. The same Jesus who drove out the money changers w/whips, called them offspring of vipers, that their father was the Devil and who suggested that congregations making a pretense at Christianity to get either cold or hot else he'd vomit them out of his mouth. The same Jesus who said I came to bring a sword. 
    I do remember a certain Judas who felt he was in a position to criticize a woman for pouring a years labor's worth of perfume on Jesus feet. Later this snob did what all pretenders do.
    I will admit to resonating w/Caleb in his desire to help purge the promised land and Jael who nailed Sisera's head to the floor of her tent or Samuel hacking Agag to pieces in Gilgal.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Peter Carroll in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    This coming from a Jehovah Witness. It's a shame you promote white supremacy.

    AMP: James 3:8-9
    8 But the human tongue can be tamed by no man. It is a restless (undisciplined, irreconcilable) evil, full of deadly poison. 
    9 With it, we bless the Lord and Father, and with it, we curse men who were made in God's likeness! 
     
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Thinking in The Most Important News About Covid-19 !!!   
    Can I count on you to also include your posts? They should be, without hesitation, be ignored. However, if this is your only source of income, then abide by the probation department guidelines, or is it, parole department.
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    Dmitar reacted to Matthew9969 in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    Good song and pretty descent album. While being in the org, I would have played Down with the sickness.
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    But to me this is what some people who leave may experience. The darkness of the world could show them the light.
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    You have to follow your conscience, but don't hassle people who are following theirs is how I feel about it.
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    God you're such a helpless idiot.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    The lyrics are quite good.  It seems to depend on what "world" and what light you are speaking about.  There are two sides of spiritual light; one side is fake, crafted by the devil. (2 Cor 11:13-15)   The other side is the genuine light of Christ through his teachings. (John 1:1-4) Besides other interpretations, this song can be viewed in two opposing ways; one by those who live under the fake light of a masquerade - those in the "world" of the Wt.  The other interpretation is for those who leave the darkness of falsehoods, a “different Jesus” preached by eight men and their massive entourage of elder “helpers”  who love their rulership over eight million people, more than they love the light of Jesus Christ’s teachings. (2 Cor 11:4; 1 Tim 4:1)  The no longer blind ones, who keep searching for the light of truth after false teachings were fed to them for years, and while under the the fear of standing against lies for so long…finally open the door to Jesus Christ and truth.  They are those who have found the genuine light.  (John 8:12; 12:46) 
    As the song ends, 
    "Don't ignore, listen to me now (all is not forsaken)
    You need never feel broken again
    Sometimes darkness
    Can show you the light"
    " These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 
    "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and repent.  Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me."  Rev 3:7,8,19,20
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in I doubt that Disturbed was thinking what I was thinking   
    ……. Could be worse ………
    Could be Worse ….. .mov    
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Thank you. We would meet as strangers, not Christian brothers. If you were to invite me to a pub, I would refuse. The same thing can be said about Jehovah witnesses here.
    Let me clarify my words. Praising the Vatican for a stance is not the same as you vilifying this institution you hold animosity toward.
    Can this be said about your personal belief, then? Now, how does your belief not apply to other churches, including the 4woman group?
    Glad you understand being an adult with a discussion is a lot better than projecting your feelings though others.
    It's sad when you have people like @Patiently waiting for Truth conducting himself uncivilly that makes a discussion impossible. There has to be an adult in the room.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 2055... the point of no return.   
    I was also thinking, How many overlapping generations will it need to get to 2055 ?  
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 2055... the point of no return.   
    It is so obvious. Rambo is attention seeking. so he starts his 'doom and gloom' again but with a different year now. 
    Reminds me of a song. "In the year 2525"
    Um, actually half of them are still in the JW org.  And the Elders 'spiritually murder' people. 
    All JWs worship the idol JW Org and the 8 men that lead it. 
    Sexually immoral. Yes pedophile Elders and MS and some congregants too.  Adultery is common in English congregations. 
    As for lying, the GB and their Lawyers are good at that.
    So, get rid of all of them and how many people will be left  
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in 2055... the point of no return.   
    How did you get the year 2055?
    It makes no sense whatsoever. 
     
    Why should not a normal, rational, common sense person not consider this “2055” as a delusional fantasy?
    To illustrate …. If I arbitrarily change your “2055” to “2255”, what’s the difference?
     
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Thinking in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Here’s the thing, you are voicing your concerns without answering my concerns. You fail to supply an answer on why visitors here should not deem other religions culpable by your standard of understanding scripture that would include your "anointed" spiritual leader? You just posted her blog as reference. Her words of the 144,000 thousand are earthbound is a "false" projection by Bible standard. How is it that she is any different if we apply your words "In reality, scriptural principles are basically ignored"?
    Neither Pearl Doxsey and it appears you have a conflict of interest not to apply scripture in its proper context.
    How do you personally avoid such pitfalls for visitors here?
    How do you see this as a false representation? Are you saying, Jesus mislead the apostles? In the O.T. how did God communicate to receive his decrees? In the N.T. how did Jesus instruct the apostles to make decisions?
    Are you going to misuse the words of scripture like @Srecko Sostar does by misusing words?
    SPIRITUAL GIFTS
     Paul described as follows the grandest of all grace-gifts, which stands in opposition to earned wages: "the free gift [chárisma] of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom 6:23). In Acts 2:38 the Holy Spirit, the energizing giver of gifts, is Itself (the Greek noun is neuter, but personhood is clearly assumed) called "the gift" (dœréa) received by those who repent and are baptized. Paul stated in 1 Cor 12:11 that the (given and received) Holy Spirit bestows differing gifts within the body of Christ: "all these [various
    charísmata] are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills." And yet Eph 4:11 says that Christ's gifts were "that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers."
    Shouldn't an anointed decide after prayerful care and consideration through God's Holy Spirit? Can you explain why this is wrong for you, and why it shouldn't apply to your anointed one pearl doxsey and other Christian Churches?
    Once again, more of the same projection. Perhaps by understanding why Christians should not hold animosity is for this just reason.
    AMP Eph 4:31
     31 Let all bitterness and indignation and wrath (passion, rage, bad temper) and resentment (anger, animosity) and quarreling (brawling, clamor, contention) and slander (evil-speaking, abusive or blasphemous language) be banished from you, with all malice (spite, ill will, or baseness of any kind).
    Can you explain how you are obeying scripture and your anointed Pearl Doxsey, by being loyal to God with this kind of attitude?
    You have not answered my concern about Pearl Doxsey's understanding of the earthbound 144,000 thousand. Wouldn't that make her a false prophet by your standards?
    Her husband appears to idolize this person. Is this the same as venerating someone?
    How does this concern not apply to you, Pearl Doxsey and other Christian Churches? It is clear, to the visitors, Christ teachings are being compromised here.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    @Srecko Sostar I noticed you agree with witness. If you're ready to act on your own behalf and reenter the conversation, please do so. Don't project your sentiment on the words of others.
    @Patiently waiting for Truth I am ignoring you, since you cannot be civil, and this site appears it doesn't ban such behavior. When you're ready to be civil and not rude and obnoxious like so many Jehovah Witnesses are here, I will listen to what you have to say, not before. Thank you.
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Thinking in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Can you explain your contradictory statement? It is a strange thought, since a Thinking Christian understands there were Nephilim's on earth after having relations with the daughters of man. Genesis 6:1-4
    What point in time are you referring to, and in what sense can Satan not influence man or his earthly agencies?
    16:17-20
    To conclude this warning Paul added the promise, The God of peace (cf. 15:33; Heb 13:20) will soon crush Satan under your feet (cf. Gen 3:15). The false teachers (Rom 16:17-18) were under Satan's influence, but he will be destroyed and God will establish peace (Rev 20:1-6). Then Paul gave another benediction (cf. Rom 15:13,33) about God's grace. (See the chart, "Paul's Concluding Benedictions in His Epistles.") 

     
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Thinking in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    It appears you are trying to answer a critical question for yourself. Can you explain how titles make that assumption of being an apostle, since Christ and God's Holy Spirit gave the apostles a great power to prove Christ mission, way beyond what, Pastors, Elders, Fathers, Reverends, Cardinals, Bishops, Popes etc. have today, yet the Catholic Church endorses such vision for its Bishops and Pope?
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Thinking in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    I believe scripture mentions what will happen to those that lead God's sheep astray. I don't think anyone would want to be in that position, not even here. Yet, you find it even with Jehovah Witnesses here. Are you suggesting "all" Jehovah Witnesses behave the same way as they do here? Some people even accused Jesus of doing the same in 1 John 4:6.
    How did Jesus respond to that accusation? Matthew 22:29
    A Good Minister, Preaching the Word (1 Tim. 4:1-6)
    They lead people astray (v. 1 b). Their goal is to seduce people and get them to depart from the faith. This is the word apostasy, and it is defined as "a willful turning away from the truth of the Christian faith." These false teachers do not try to build up the church or relate people to the Lord Jesus Christ in a deeper way.
     
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    Dmitar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Speak evil of no man. Titus 3:2
    IF once the soldiers of the cross would get the proper thought, that slander and evil speaking are assassinations of the character of another, and that defamation is robbery of another's good name, the sooner they will see this matter in its truly awful light as it must appear in the Lord's sight; and once seeing the matter from this true, divine standpoint must awaken the new creature to the greatest activity possible in the overcoming of such works of the flesh and of the devil. Each will seek to purge out the old leaven of malice and envy and strife and crookedness and evil speaking, that he may be pure in heart, a copy of the Lord.
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