Dmitar

Do you believe, it will only be the 144,000 saints that will inherit the earth? Is so, why is it necessary for humanity to comply with God's commands if God already knows who those are.

@xero There is no reason to be rude with your reply. No one here should have to be rude or obnoxious when posting.

Knowing about something - does not 'attach' you to something!  Obeying something all the time makes you a slave of that something for sure.... who do you obey? 

What makes you think there's a special "Anointed" vs "Non-Anointed" class distinction made in any of the counsel given in the CGS? The existential distinction that some claimed such that they were "superfine apostles" was disputed by Paul as hot air. Were these "Anointed"? Who cares? What matters is behavior. Like the scriptures say, "A live dog is better than a dead lion", the same is true and Jesus made that point when he gave the illustration about the "Neighborly Samaritan". If Jesus were alive on earth today he might choose to shock someone out of their complacency by replacing "Samaritan" with "Apostate". Jehovah is the judge and of course he's delegated to Jesus the actual instantiation of the judgement (which has yet to take place) so our only concern should be w/our own fidelity to Jehovah. Some may differ or question our integrity, but that's going to happen. This persistent and obsessive concern some have w/who is or isn't wearing an invisible magic beanie is beyond me. To me it shows the person needs to address the man in the mirror and let others do the same.

Wednesday 1 September 2021 21:44, UK
https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
The Jehovah's Witnesses church says its elders "endeavour to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse" - but survivors say that does not necessarily translate to helping the authorities.
 
"I don't like the way he touches me."
That is how Emily described her abuse to elders at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall she attended in Loughborough.
Emily (not her real name) was eight-years-old and the man she accused was a ministerial servant in his 60s.
What followed was a series of failings that allowed him to continue abusing children for years to come. Sky News has spoken to several abuse victims who claim there is a culture within the Jehovah's Witnesses that fails those looking for help and puts others at risk.Problems include a failure to report allegations to the police, and a system that requires high levels of proof from the victim, but also allows a repentant abuser to remain within the congregation - at times without other members being told what they have done.Emily was sexually abused from the age of four - but when she reported the crime to elders in 1990, they did not call the police and told her she had made it all up.She told Sky News: "There was a phrase that they used a lot which is 'liars will not inherit God's kingdom', which is basically saying you're going to die at Armageddon, because you're a liar."

One survivor said they were treated as liars, and that they would therefore 'die at Armageddon'
It's a long and very truthful article, but well worth reading.
It gives true perspective to the JW Org and the ones that rule it. 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/when-herbivores-arent-poor-chicken-got-eaten-cow-180951115/#:~:text=Lal the cow’s behaviour might be motivated by,of behaviour that we’re only beginning to document.
Do cows ever eat meat? Herbivores eat plants and carnivores eat meat, and then there are a few oddball omnivores that eat both. Cows are probably the best-known ruminants (and have been witnessed eating birds). Yet even animals from this highly plant-specialized group will eat meat when given the chance.
The answer you seem to draw your remark from is with the word accidental. This just means, as you imply, low IQ when it comes to not understanding a simple question. However, I noticed you draw your strength from being rude and obnoxious. Is this a Jehovah Witness trait? Or have you recently be removed from that organization you adamantly disparage to a point, you don't care what people think of your organization. Is this your intent?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/when-herbivores-arent-poor-chicken-got-eaten-cow-180951115/#:~:text=Lal the cow’s behaviour might be motivated by,of behaviour that we’re only beginning to document.
Do cows ever eat meat? Herbivores eat plants and carnivores eat meat, and then there are a few oddball omnivores that eat both. Cows are probably the best-known ruminants (and have been witnessed eating birds). Yet even animals from this highly plant-specialized group will eat meat when given the chance.
The answer you seem to draw your remark from is with the word accidental. This just means, as you imply, low IQ when it comes to not understanding a simple question. However, I noticed you draw your strength from being rude and obnoxious. Is this a Jehovah Witness trait? Or have you recently be removed from that organization you adamantly disparage to a point, you don't care what people think of your organization. Is this your intent?

Yes, these claims have also been debunked (IMO). However, getting to the bottom of such claims is a time-consuming process. Also, it is nearly impossible to penetrate through the layers and layers of propaganda that the Western media has flooded us with, especially in Australia and the United States. Even if one could start to be convinced about the outright lies told about Taiwan, and/or a certain tennis player being harrassed by Western media, and/or the Hong Kong riots, for example, there will still be a steady stream of additional claims about people disappearing, organ harvesting, China Sea incursions, Uyghur "concentration camps," water rights in Tibet and India, etc.
Also, the people responsible for decisions at various levels in the Chinese government have undoubtedly done bad things and made bad decisions, imo. So, it's likely that many of these issues are based on actual problems that can then be exaggerated so that persons who want to believe them will do so more easily. As things get worse in the West, people will want (and need) to believe that things must be so much worse in the "East." As Westerners learn about terrible things their own governments are doing, it becomes all the more important to project and amplify the problems of non-Western governments.
As I've said before, to study an issue like this, I first like to see what things that each side will admit is true about the claims of other side. Most "third" sides of an argument are most often merely a compromise between the claims of the two primary sides. This is often just an easy way out that makes the "third" claimant seem more reasonable, but it can merely adds some unwarranted credibility to false claims. And then of course those so-called "more reasonable" claims just get driven right back up to unreasonable levels anyway. Just like the original idea, probably true, that there were thousands of Uyghurs in prison, which then got quickly driven up to a million, then 10 million, then "genocide." (All during the same time period when the population of Uyghurs was still rising in the disputed regions.) 
So, in this case we still have primarily two sides:
The claims of Adrien Zenz who claims to be on a Christian apocalyptic mission from God against China et al, and a still very small number of persons who are relatives of (or associated with) persons in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, the ETIM. The ETIM was listed as a terrorist organization by George W Bush in 2004. Under Trump, Mike Pompeo announced that he was removing them from the list of terrorist organizations. Almost all "documents" have turned out to be sourced from Adrien Zenz, and most "witnesses" claim to have experienced a version of the story given by persons like Tursunay Ziawudun. (The current version of her story, not the original version that she gave when first interviewed.) If one traces down the claims of activists, human rights groups, and China pundits, they will still find that their claims are sourced by these few witnesses, no matter how many additional witnesses are claimed, or how many hundreds of thousands of pages they have supposedly gone through. On the other side, there is China's version of the story and most of the 54 mostly Muslim nations that China invited into the disputed region to show them what was going on. Those nations have expressed agreement with how China has been dealing with the ETIM and related issues. And, of course, there are many who claim to be experts on China who amplify whichever side they agree with on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Curiously the NYT just did a "hit piece" on Chinese social media account owners who support China's version of the issue. Some of these are English-speaking persons living and working in China. These persons often have their accounts banned and flagged, at least temporarily. Even while trying to get some links for this response, I found that Twitter claimed, for several of these account owners, that the account owners had limited the number of people who could read their posts. That made absolutely no sense, but further reading on the Twitter explanation page showed that it was actually Twitter that was limiting the number of persons who could read certain posts on these accounts. When Twitter says "This account owner limits who can see their Tweets" it's actually a clever way of disingenuously expressing the idea that the account owner is limiting their viewability by not changing their view when Twitter doesn't want those views publicized.
Naturally, I was only hit with Twitter warnings and YouTube warnings when accessing accounts that supported China's version.
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So what's a person to do? As I said above, I start out accepting what the ETIM supporters admits is true about the claims of China, and accepting what China admits is true about the claims of the ETIM. Since I don't read Chinese (and only one person in my family does) I will have to temporarily settle for online proxies for each side.
One good place to start is the interview of a well-known Uyghur activist who has been viewed by millions, as interviewed by Daniel Dumbrill, an English-speaking man who works in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gygxrdNmzUQ&t=1743s
In the interview, the Muslim Uyghur activist obviously supports the goals of the ETIM, but he admits that 5,000 to 10,000 Uyghurs have engaged in and supported terrorism to reach these goals. He has interviewed many of these even in Turkey where he now lives, and admits that thousands of Uyghurs came from many countries, not just China, to fight as terrorists in Syria and elsewhere. He decries the fact that so many of these young men didn't know the first thing about Islam or the Quran, but that they just wanted to fight for Muslim freedom. He indicates that they should have stayed in "East Turkistan" to fight the Chinese.  A few years ago, when I first heard US officials claim that even Chinese persons were there fighting in Syria, I actually didn't believe this was accurate at the time.
The Muslim activist also admits that the many Muslim-majority nations who were invited to China actually did approve of the methods that China used in order to try to de-radicalize Islamic terrorists. (But he also claims that many of these same countries won't even stand up for Palestinian rights, so why should we have expected them to stand up for Uyghur rights.) The Muslim activist says that his own father, a well-known actor in China, had to spend 10 months in the camp, and was released only 17 months prior to this interview in 2020.
There were several more things admitted by him, and several things that would make persons question the accuracy of the accounts and claims of this activist.
But there were also a few things admitted by the interviewer, Daniel Dumbrill, who is also an journalist/activist promoting China's version of the story. He admits, for example, that he himself has heard and interviewed Uyghurs who are racially profiled in various parts of China, and how some travel restrictions have made it more difficult for Uyghurs to travel in and out of the country. And there were several other things that he either admitted or seemed to tacitly agree with as possible or probable.
The video interview I mentioned is below, but the description section also contains a lot of additional information (just below the video) for anyone curious enough to hear Daniel Dumbrill's further research supporting his own side of the issue.
 
Look at the actual description on the YouTube page to see the following links and descriptions in their entirety, formatted correctly:
In todays episode I speak to a famous Overseas Uyghur activist who is one of the top sources of information for many people in the English world about what is happening in Xinjiang. Carl Zha's interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7PZ... Arslan's Twitter: https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat Resources: New video of Arslan's father in law: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... A motive for deliberately instigated unrest: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Economics of anti-China Xinjiang propaganda: https://www.workers.org/2019/12/44963/ US Air Strike on Uyhgurs in 2018 - https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Information about Adrian Zenz's comments: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/sta... Detailed information on Adrian Zenz: https://chollima.org/who-is-adrian-ze... Tursunay Ziyawudun's changing story: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Uyghur activist who blocked me is funded by ASPI (military industrial complex): https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Population data from Adrian Zenz report doesn't add up: https://twitter.com/Hubei_Peasant/sta... While America is sanctioning Xinjiang companies based on assumptions they are involved in atrocities against Muslims, their own companies who have been confirmed to be involved in atrocities against Muslims are winning multi-billion dollar deals: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... An example of how stories are suddenly fabricated by ordinary people in the West as well: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Journalist very active in the Xinjiang story searches for only Xinjiang ethnic minorities who agree with his story and tell the rest to F off: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Rushan Abbas admitting to her time in Guantanamo Bay and calling it a nice place: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Some of the problematic Douyin posts mentioned in our chat: https://twitter.com/j_bigboote/status... Example of fake missing people: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Example of another Uyghur activist's story changing on me: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... 4 corners Xinjiang documentary issues: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Parallels/s... A thread debunking a lot of the Xinjiang propaganda: https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/statu... More statistics from government data in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/izak_novak/status... Where the name East Turkistan came from: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/11... Chinese culture has been in Xinjiang for a long time: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/11... Number of Mosques in China: https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/statu... Xinjiang propaganda is recycled failed Tibet propaganda: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... Countries that support China's policy in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... More government documents on Xinjiang in this thread: https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/... The World Uyghur Congress talking about their sources and a thread on John Oliver's Xinjiang piece: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... A good video debunking John Oliver's piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpUS... More information about the World Uyghur Congress: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/05/wo... In this thread there are 3 must watch documentaries on the terrorism problem in Xinjiang: https://twitter.com/ml_1maria/status/... Some of the sources behind the forced labour claims: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/fo... Example of HRW NGO not being able to back up their stories when critical questions are asked: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st... More debunked propaganda against China: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/co... Uyghur speaking up about other Uyghurs being brainwashed into fighting with ISIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCbM... Example of the fake testimony about Iraq: https://twitter.com/Seanboy63800243/s... Document that covers the propaganda against Xinjiang: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d... NED funded journalism: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/st...

What Lassie?
Timmy fell into the well AGAIN ... and you want me to get a rope and come with you?
Sigh ... why don't we just fill in the well and be done with it?
Be sure to get Timmy out first?

Why would ANYONE choose a dog?
.... because Gog of Magog probably has something to do with cats?

I don't know James. I think rambo is billy and a dozen other AKA's. 
Why you chose a dog though baffles me. Do you really feel that bad about yourself ? 
I feel bad about myself right now, but then the Judgement will sort that out. 

I can do better than THAT!
Being a Cartoon Carnivore I can authoritatively state as an expert that Cartoon Herbivores such as artists' renditions of Cartoon Rabbits, that they can be caught in an elevated upside down box trap baited with a photograph of a carrot.
...... moral of the story is this:
.... silly questions may be legitimately answered with silly answers.

Final note for the interested. Who is taking the lead and is more prominent and vocal in today’s societies across the world?
False Jews, Apostates
In this church they are warned about “those” who claim that they are Jews but are not. We don't think this is warning us about literal Jews, but it’s about those who claim to be God’s people (false Christians). The temple and the Jewish nation had already been destroyed by this time, which would help to prove that these Jews should be looked at as spiritual Jews or Christians, just as we see in Rev Chapter 7. The Christian church, early on replaced literal Jews as God’s people, after they had rejected Christ. It was only those who were God’s people in their hearts, and who had faith in the blood of Christ, that were truly Jews, God had rejected the literal nation of the Jews. Even natural born Jews were not true Jews in God’s sight, unless they were Jews in their heart. They will receive favor again in the next age but they will have to say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
 
Rom 2:28-29) 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. (NAU)
Gal 3:6-7) 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS
RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.

Correct, why then fall under the same snare of a town crier?
Can you explain your position here? Wouldn't any organization in this world, and every man, be individually judged? Was Jesus not judged by man?

@PudgyCan you explain, with your presentation, accidental digestion of a smaller animal inside dense vegetation by a larger animal? What scientific proof can you offer? I see the focused has changed from Creation of the animal kingdom to before the Creation of man. 

The Catholics disavowed the _ews?
 

BroRando is Billy!!?
That would make him Bro. Billy Rando?
I used to know a Bro. Billy Rando in Tallequah, Oklahoma.
Had one eye (I forget which) about an inch higher than the other,
His perspective on life was TOTALLY screwed up, in every way possible.
Same guy?
 

…. As is usually the case, the book was much better than the movie.

You are a strange one billy. But go careful how far you push as you might get d/fed from the forum again. 

In the interests of clarity, I can authoritatively tell you that all canine teeth were DESIGNED to eat meat ..... although I have been known to clean my teeth with an occasional raw carrot.

According to you...
there's No Jehovah, No Jesus and No Jews...
You're nothing but a big fake... that has been ousted from Jehovah's Organization.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODIntExpArchives/pub-jwbiv_201503_1_VIDEO
 

Billy I do not care what you call me, because I can tell you are frightend of dying when the Judgement hammer falls on you.
Enjoy your short time left. But be prepared for what is to come.  
 
 

...you are thinking about history.
It is not news that the thief comes when not expected. You are in full expectation that it will come at an unknown time .... not that it is coming, or not coming at all.
On a related note, I have been thinking about using news of the "Brandon" administration as fuel for a FTL (Faster Than Light) starship engine, for as we all know .... nothing travels faster than bad news.
 

I have noticed over a long period of time a pronounced consistency about your posts, after noticing over a long period of time a pronounced consistency about your reactions to other peoples' posts.
Your posts almost always end by asking one or several questions based on false premises, and
Your reactions (almost exclusively down votes) are completely without a rational basis, and ignore the actual post, and are based on who is posting.
You are a very skilled diversionist and intimidator, governed by your agenda.  Excellent qualities and skill sets for a criminal defense attorney with a naive and unsophisticated jury.
I think, (assuming you are not already a lawyer) you missed your calling in life.
 
 

The American comedian W.C. Fields, on his death bed in the hospital, was observed reading the Bible just before he died, and was asked by a visitor about that, and his reply was " .... just looking for loopholes.".