Dmitar

So it seems that SM is against even watching world events on MSM. He is against being able to quickly see countries that have floods, volcanos, eathquakes, wars, et al. 
Perhaps SM wants to control people's minds. Perhaps he think he is the only one that has true information. 
For everyone that mentions any world news, it seesm SM know more or better. SM is a Truther. Is it only them that know truth ?  I don't think so SM. 
I'm not interested in 'left' or 'right' wing. I'm not interested in what people want to call other people or compare other people to. It just seems so childish that you have to A, group people together, B, compare people to villians. 
Can you not just see each person as an individual ?  Each of us here. Do you need to compare us to others ? 
I am an individual. I have no interest in politics. I am not right or left wing. I do not support any type of wordly government.
But i know you will continue to compare me to others, because it seems that is all you can do. 
 

Hey, this one is shorter than most!  But, you'd be surprised how many people elsewhere actually read them...and most importantly...the scriptures!
You don't have to reply "point by point".  One point will do.  

I am truly impressed by the time it must take to compose these bible book length epistles.
I wish I had the time to reply, point by point .... but I do not.
.... and like Witness, his/her long tomes, and my long replies would not be any influence whatsoever on anyone .... and we have a decade of Archive commentary ... tens of thousands of comments ....  to abundantly confirm that point.
I suspect that each and every one here, addicted to such things, on our death beds ... perhaps surrounded by people we are about to forever leave behind, will look up, and with tears in their eyes, and tears in our eyes, with our last breath before the blackness closes in forever, and we can move no more, will raise our feeble fingers and attempt to check our e-mail.

From the book, “Judgment Day Must Wait”, by Poul Bregninge, comes this comment from an active elder at the time of his interview:      
“For me it is the organization itself that is the big villain.  It has quietly, through 125 years, had its own independent life.  In its pure youth, we could perhaps connect the activities with a degree of sincerity, but it has since grown too big and strong, and all humility is gone.  It has been immensely self-satisfied and even forgotten to serve its supporters.  Instead, it sits on a throne, from which it requires unconditional obedience of its often fanatically loyal subjects.  Most Jehovah’s Witnesses have quietly become accustomed to it, and they do not even see it.  I still have a strong belief in God and I am indignant at the fact that an organization has put itself in God’s place and can get away with it.  It is tragic!  You can secretly hope that God will open people’s eyes, but he seems sadly silent.  Yet the organization is alive and well.  There are plenty of members who willingly support it and bring it nourishment; it’s really an excellent system in that respect.  The Witnesses slave away for it their entire lives, without getting especially much in return, and the organization just shows more and more greed.  But as long as its leaders can maintain the illusion that they are installed by God, as Jehovah’s “channel”, it works, apparently”. 
Unless this elder has come to realize it since his comment was written on paper, he has described the “man of lawlessness” that has risen over the years, and taken its “throne”, its “seat”, in the Temple of God.  It has replaced His anointed priesthood, with the elder body. (2 Chron 23:6,7) This “big villain” was prophesied to trample down God’s priests, the “living stones” and dwelling of His spirit. (Num 18:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) (Dan 7:7,8,21; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1,2)
It has cast God’s laws in Christ aside, disregarding the reverence of the Body of Christ  - His spiritual Temple.   (Neh 1:7; 9:26; Lev 19:30; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 12:12,27; Eph 4:11-13)
It is one of three villains or “Beasts” to “make war with the saints”, God’s holy people under covenant, through the practice of deceit.  (Luke 22:31; Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,7,10-15; 16:13-16; 20:7,8; 12:3,4,15,17)
2 Thess 2:1-4 – “Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”
In the shadow of 1914, known as the “day of the Lord”, the “man of lawlessness” thrives in the praise it receives from those “marked” as its slaves.  (Rom 6:16; 1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; 2 Pet 2:19; Rev 13:16,17)
It is the machinery, the inner workings of the organization depicted in the “Gentile” elder body. Its image as spirit-directed, requires “worship” and full obedience, in exchange for protection and salvation.  (Exod 20:3,4; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:15,16,4; Judges 10:14; 1 Thess 5:3)
He is a rare elder indeed, to recognize that the organization has “put itself in God’s place”. (Exod 23:13; Hos 4:12; Isa 46:5)
However, it has been guided to accomplish this, through its governing leaders.  (Eccl 5:8; Dan 11:31,36-38; 8:11,24;Luke 22:25-27; Matt 24:48,49; Rev 8:10,11; 13:12; 9:1-4,7,8; 12:17; 9:9; Joel 1:4-6; Rev 17:3)
 
Pearl Doxsey -
Clearly, it is the chosen priests who are to "re-adjust" sinners in a spirit of gentleness. This is their job as symbolic incense burners within God's Temple of anointed (1 Cor 3:16).
So we see that the symbolic prophecies in Ezekiel regarding the "elders of Israel" burning incense within the temple, is certainly considered by God as an abomination, as well as the rebellion of the governing priests who dare to place them there (Ezek 43:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9).

This offense is alive and well today, as the governing body of the Watchtower has arranged for not - anointed elders to usurp God's chosen priests, perform their exclusive duties, and throw out any of them that protest this abominable disrespect toward God and His Holy Temple. (Heb 12:22-25,21,28,29; 1 Cor 3:17)
The Disgusting Thing
 
If the elder only understood that his ability to “see” the organization for what it is, an idol and an enemy particularly against the anointed, (Rev 13:7; 20:9) he may perceive that it is by the grace of God that our eyes are opened to both the deceit and the idolatry practiced in the organization. (Isa 42:5-9) Perhaps he may then discern that God is listening to the prayers of those who question the false authority, of not only the Wild Beast from the Sea, but that of the Beast/false prophet that directs it. (Rev 13: 11-14) When God’s ancient nation of Israel sinned against His commandments, He removed His protection, allowing them to suffer the consequences of their choices, but not without warning them beforehand, of these consequences. (Neh 1:5-9; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 13:8)
Upon their frequent fall into sin, including abominations against His sanctuary, God’s prophets declared the need for Israel’s repentance. (Ps 74:1-3) Always, only a remnant submitted to repentance, turned away from their idols, and returned to God.  (Neh 9:13,26, 16-18,27; Lev 26:38,44; Isa 10:22; Zech 13:9; Rev 9:18; 11:3,7;13:15; Rev 12:11; 9:20,21)
God has been patient with us. (Neh 9:30,31,33)  He hears the outcries of those oppressed, who are held spiritually captive to lies. (Ps 74:21)  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; Ps 10:12; 72:4; 146:7-9; Matt 17:11; Mal 4:5,6; 3:1-3)
The Father and Jesus are responding to the repentant hearts who desire to know truth, by healing their spiritual blindness. (Deut 32:36; Isa 49:24,25; Luke 4:18; Rev 2:20; 3:18; John 9:6)
Jesus is right here to lead us to the bountiful Marriage Feast – of feast of truth. (Isa 55:1,2; John 6:35; 14:6; Matt 22:8-10; Rev 22:17)
 The earth already shakes with the voice of God in judgment against these villains, through His servants Jesus sends. (Neh 9:29; Matt 13:41-43; Heb 12:25-27; Rev 11:1-3;6:7;22:12-16) 
Soon, this judgment through God’s word, will culminate with their end.  (Eccl 3:17; Neh 9:34,35; Isa 42:1-4; Dan 7:21,22,11; 2 Thess 2:8,9; Rev 19:20; 20:10,15; Jer 23:29) (Rev 18:4-8; 10:5-7) 
Christ's Return - When?
 

Hello John,
I think we were both surprised at who was on the other end of the call a few days back.  I believe it is very sad that the elders’ decision to mark a person as spiritually dead according to rejection of doctrine devised by men, is a divisive point, dictating whether JWs can speak to another who has left the organization. ( Matt 15:9;Eph 4:14; Heb 13:9; 2 John 1:9)  I don’t know if you are aware that I was disfellowshipped, not because I left God or Jesus Christ, or even because I had sinned; but for rejecting the doctrine of men – 1914 is one of them -  and I rejected an earthly organization as the way to salvation. (Acts 4:12; John 16:2,3; Heb 13:13; Rev 6:9-11; 11:1-3,7;13:15; 12:11) 
Although, in a sense, I did sin for which I have asked for forgiveness.  I revered a man-made organization – an idol and rival against God Himself.  (Deut 4:23; Exod 20:1-5; 23:13; Isa 40:25; Rom 1:21-25; Acts 17:24,25, 29,30; Rev 13:1,2,4) I have learned since then, that the true “organization” of God is spiritual, and built on the Body of His Son, with anointed “living stones”.  (John 2:19-22; Matt 16:18; John 4:21-24; 1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:9,10)  Anything else, is a counterfeit.
I have been told by a JW that in the 70’s/80’s, the leadership wanted to drop the doctrine of 1914, but they felt it would “shake the faith” of JWs in the organization. I was rather appalled at hearing this.  Your leaders are fully aware that 1914 is a lie, yet today they disfellowship those who reject this lie, that they must continue to promote.   Is this type of behavior for a servant of Christ, considered a righteous act? Should any wrong teachings be hidden from the members, just to save numbers, just to save the face of the organization, of an idol? (Jer 23:16; Matt 23:25-26; Luke 8:17)
 God’s word tells us that Jesus began ruling over his anointed Christian congregation in the first century, when he sat down at the right hand of God.  (Acts 7:55; 2:33; Luke 22:69; Heb 2:8; 8:1,2; Rev 3:21; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25) In fact the “Happiness” book, chapter 16, paragraph 13 agrees with this; yes, a little known fact that is overshadowed by a great big lie, that Jesus did not begin ruling until 1914. Each faithful anointed one must conquer Satan during their lifetime, as their fleshly life follows in the footsteps of Christ. Those that fail, those that reject Christ’s teachings, become the enemies put at the feet of Christ.  (Luke 22:31; 1 Thess 3:3,4; 2 Tim 4:5; Rev 12:10,11; 1 Cor 15:24-26)  
Under the circumstances of our call, did you notice how quickly you felt the need to end it?  You could not speak the scriptures with me, without feeling inhibited. You could not hear me out, nor could you give your opinion.  Did we feel inhibited in proving to ourselves what was true when we first studied?  Why would it end now? Defending our belief based on truth, should never end, yet you and I could not have a normal conversation because you were aware that by doing so, your good standing in the organization and before its leadership, could be in jeopardy.    (John 8:31; 2 Cor 2:14-17;1 Pet 3:15; 2 Cor 10:3-6; Acts 17:11)  
If something seems amiss spoken by an anointed “teacher”, we use God’s word to prove whether what is said, is from Jesus Christ, or whether it is from the hearts of men.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16; Luke 6:45)  We are required by God and Jesus Christ, to do our research.  (Jer 5:31)  This is why Jesus asked the question, “who really is”, among his faithful slaves, the one slave whom he chooses – not someone chosen by men, or voted in  - to dispense spiritual food at the proper time. (Matt 24:45-51) This “slave” would be “inspired”, which your GB admit they are not.  This slave would produce food that “remains”, that never rots, never needing to be replaced with what is called, “new light”; which in actuality, is the discarding of failed teachings.  (Eccl 12:11-14; Jer 13:15,16; Isa 5:20; 50:10,11; Eph 4:14)
 As a steward or manager of God’s spiritual anointed house, this “slave” would gather provisions from all slaves in the house, since that is the job of any house steward. (Luke 12:42; 16:1,2; 1 Cor 12:28)  This isn’t done by the GB, is it?  Your “slave”, gathers “food” from their unanointed elder helpers and ignores the anointed servants of Christ, because their appointment is spiritual.  It cannot be discerned by men who rely on the physical. There is no faith in God’s spiritual choice, but only in the physical choice made by men.  (1 Cor 2:14)  Although,  JWs “trust” that the GB are anointed.  It is interesting where the trust must lie, and where the trust must end.  It ends will all other anointed ones.
In the time of the end, the “man of lawlessness” “sets itself up” in the Temple of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) You might want to refer to your “Insight” book, vol. 1 pp. 513-514, to comprehend who represent the spiritual Temple of God.  Doing some research should show you that it is God’s “living stones”, His called, chosen anointed priests.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10)  They, are the spiritual house of God, built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles and prophets. (Eph 4:1-16) It is a Temple of truth and wisdom from God. (Prov 9:1; Matt 11:19; John 17:17; Gal 2:9; Eph 1:17; 1 Tim 3:15)
They only, are chosen as God’s holy people, His “saints”, not all JWs who join them, as the Wt. will have you believe.   But in 2017, “new light” by GB G. Loesch, is now saying that all JWs are part of God’s spiritual Temple. This sounds like Christendom, doesn’t it?   Are all JWs, priests and kings? (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10)  Will all JWs serve God and Jesus in “heaven”, and “on earth”?  (Gen 28:10-17; John 1:51; Rev 5:9,10)  Are they under the new Covenant promise, “Jerusalem above”? Are all JWs, the Bride of Christ?  (Gal 4:26; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 22:17; 21:2,3)
Why the need to change this seldom witnessed truth, after so many years?  Well, the elders now have full authority to rule and judge God’s anointed priests, even though elders are not anointed with Holy Spirit. (Rom 14:4) This should raise some red flags according to God’s word.   There is an article that describes Korah’s rebellious attitude when he tried to “secure the priesthood”, in Moses’ day.  w02 8/1 p. 10
The Wt. explains what happened during that time period, and how many were killed for rejecting God’s choice of priests.  Then, the article continues to say,
Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrews 13:7, 17) How can that be? Paragraph 18
Yes, how can that be?   Can you imagine Jesus telling his called priests of “Israel”, who have received the “circumcision of the heart”, to remove their symbolic royal garments and step down from being his priests?  Would Jesus say, “hand your royal robes over to the elder body” –  to “uncircumcised” spiritual “Gentiles”. God has never poured out His spirit into the hearts of men who desire to “secure the priesthood” and remove their daily sacrifices.  (Dan 8:12; 12:11; Rev 11:2)  (Rom 2:28,29; 5:5; 1 John 2:27)  Can you imagine Jesus saying, ‘listen to these unanointed men, they have been given authority over you with the ability to judge your spiritual stand, before me.’ (Rom 6:16)  It sounds blasphemous, and never would have occurred in the first century.   (Gal 1:10)  (Isa 63:18; Dan 8:24)
There is no time in the history of God’s people where His anointed priests were to be replaced or removed.  This was an abomination, a “disgusting thing” to occur in God’s sanctuary, if anyone but His priests were to enter it. And if any unauthorized person did, they were to be killed. ( 1 Samuel 13:9,10,11,13,14; 2 Chronicles 23:6,7; Numbers 3:10; 18:7; Ezek 44:5-9,16; 2 Chron 13:9) (Jer 7:30; Matthew 24:15; Isa.63:18; Daniel 11:31; 2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2-3; Joel 1:13,15; Eze.33:29)
 But, notice what the article continues to say -  
“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”  Paragraph 20
Where does this authority come from?  Do you really believe it comes from God? Why give the example of Korah, only to turn around and commit the same abomination, making it clear that the organization’s stand “cannot be challenged”?  Is the organization, on the same level as God? Is it superior to God? Are the words of false teachers more important than God’s word? (Matt 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1)
“He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”  Dan 8:25
If we read the scriptures, we see that the abomination standing in the “holy place”, which is God’s Temple, is where the anointed are found, in the organization. (Matt 24:15,16)  Every JW should question why the GB allow this. Yet, the power of men, and their word is much stronger in the JW mind, than the power of God’s word. 
Is this how you feel?
Have you noticed how elders must be “honored” in the congregations?  What is said about the anointed?  Are you aware that they must not “bond” together to study the Bible as a group?  Notice how they use cutting, sarcastic language in the magazine, about their meeting as one body under their Head, Jesus Christ: 
“In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity”  Wt 16/1/24, pp. 22-27
I implore you to read what the apostle Paul admonished Christ’s members to do. (Matt 18:20; 1 Cor chapter 12; Eph 4:3-13) He stated it would be working against the Holy Spirit if there was no union between the anointed priestly members of Christ’s Body.  Do you see how your leaders have lied to promote the elder body, over the anointed “living stones” of Jesus’ Body?
Does anyone stop elders from gathering, or the GB?  They do so on a regular basis, but it isn’t allowed for God’s anointed priesthood – the dwelling of His Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 3:16; 17; Heb 8:10) This is evidence that the “man of lawlessness”, with the direction of the GB, has trampled down God’s holy people in the last days. (2 Thess 2:1-4) It is not the UN, or a “coalition of nations” to come, because Jesus said the coming of the Kingdom does not come with observation played out among the nations of the world; it involves his anointed under covenant with him.  (Luke 7:20,21)  Daniel and Revelation speak of an arrogant, deceiving Beast that “makes war” with the “saints” in the last days. This war is a war of words, promoted by false teachers/prophets whose demonic intent is to “deceive the elect”. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10, 5-7)   This is “inhouse”, where a great army of “Gentile” elders have wiped out/overcome a spiritual people – God’s chosen “Israel”, with a “flood” of lies.  (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16)
If you perceive how the anointed have been downtrodden, if you can see that God’s spiritual temple has been polluted by “Gentiles”, you are to flee. (Matt 24:15,16)   Within each anointed heart, a token of Holy Spirit was given them. (Matt 25:14-30)  As a united body under Jesus Christ, they are to teach the people truth, just as they were assigned to do in the early temple arrangement and just as they did in the first century. (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)  They are to teach God’s word in Christ. (Mal 2:7) Instead, they regurgitate what a wicked slave demands, which are lies about God’s word, and about them.  (Rev 13:16,17)  The token of truth, given at their anointing, has been thrown to the ground in the organization.   (Dan. 8:11,12,24)  Evidence already shows a spiritual famine exists in the Watchtower.  (Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8)
We have another yet spiritual fulfillment of Luke 21 –
“As for what you see here, the time will come when not one (“living”) stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”
7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”
8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.  “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. (disfellowshipping) 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.”
I work with anointed ones who have been spiritually “killed”/disfellowshipped for exposing the GB’s lies, false predictions and sins. (Rev 11:1-3)  Because I have a connection with you and XXX, I send this letter and another written by an anointed one.  Her letters are being circulated world-wide.  I hope that you will research the scriptures I have given you, (I apologize if I have written some down in error) and I hope you take it to heart that JWs and God’s holy priesthood are in peril.  Rev 18:4-8 can apply to those who are with the anointed in the organization.   Your “harlot” leaders will pay for their sins, their lies, and for allowing the Temple of God to be trampled. (Rev 17:1-6; 19:20) But before this, the Governing Body will be removed by its own organization. (Rev 17:12,13,15-18)   These spiritual Harlots who have left their covenant in Christ, and who “beat” their fellow slaves, will be disfellowshipped.  (Matt 24:48-51)  Know then, that there is only one symbolic “hour” left, before the eighth king/organization will go down.  I pray that you are not part of it, when that day comes.  (2 Thess 2:3,4,8)

At least you will get free dental care, after they knock out your teeth ....
 

At last, to my mind, you have scored a definitive hit, not a dubious one.
I’ll be carrying on about how I love big brother next.

This story is still getting coverage on the news. (It was usually reported that a Chinese tennis player had accused a high-ranking Chinese government official of sexual assault and then suspiciously "disappeared.")  Yesterday, I heard the same story repeated on our local NPR news station and there was an interview with a representative of the WTA (Women's Tennis Association) saying they would pull out of China for all the final tournaments because even though they have spoken with her and she confirms she is OK, they don't think she is "really" OK.
That wording sounded oddly typical, but I could understand a legitimate concern for such a person, too, just as I would for a situation like this anywhere else in the world. But then the conversation took an interesting turn. They said they were hoping to use her example to try to get other sports to pull out of the Winter Olympics in China, and that this case can help draw attention to civil rights abuses, and the genocide of Uyghurs. I didn't even know there was an upcoming Winter Olympics in China, and there is so much money in sports that I had my doubts that the politics the WTA was pushing would really win out over financial incentives for other sports (and other countries) to mount a boycott. The NPR interviewer praised them for this altruistic goal.
I have already seen a lot of evidence about how the "genocide of Uyghurs" has been massively exaggerated. And I had just read evidence that Western media had purposely lied to create a false story about a few, small "social credit" experiments that had been tried in a couple of Chinese cities but were abandoned.  So I was all the more suspicious that this story had been exaggerated, too.
I had already heard that there were pictures of her going out to dinner and even playing tennis and giving autographs to young persons. But I didn't really look into it in any depth until yesterday and quickly discovered that the most likely scenario here is that it was entirely fake news. Peng Shuai had never even accused anyone of sexual assault. I read several full translations of the original post that she wrote on her social media site, Weibo, and which she later took down. I wanted to see why people were reading "assault" into it.
I'll provide a link to a pretty good summary of the entire affair, and copy major portions of it below.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/12/the-missing-star-athlete-peng-shuai-is-not-missing-at-all.html

Does God have gender?

I respect your reasons for internet name and picture and for history of your family and friends.
Because you put my credibility in question i don't see how story about your "fake" name and picture  and provided explanation should be used in order to continue harassing about where any of the other participants log in and give comments. If you are as serious as you claim, then please stop talking about who is where on other platforms and comment on the topic on this Forum. Stick to the topic if you can. If you can not, then continue with same "song". 
The topics that can be found in this Open Club, are primarily related to JW and that is why I put them. If you consider yourself and act in life more and better than activism or an observer, great. If others can’t be as good as you, then don’t bother them because they can’t achieve your level of standards and performance. Respect others if you want others to respect you. We may disagree about the type of problem and the type of solution and the type of cause for both things. You’re obviously a capable “debater,” but, winning in words doesn’t mean you’re right and others are wrong.
All your successes that you enumerate, we, who read them, cannot confirm or deny. It remains to believe or not to believe. So, be modest in your praises, and glorify others who you think are not as good as you, that is quality. 

No, SM. Quotation i put is from link you provided and i navigate further to Final Report to Particular Institution to Religious Institution and to particular religion Jehovah's Witnesses, which are all under heading Summary.   

Since we do live in a two dimensional forum on the site, I feel pretty confident in forwarding a two dimensional comment.
Looking at what ABLJ STATED, Above, it seems to have no back up or make any sense whatsoever.
 
Yeah I do this all the time, but it is clearly understood by those who have two neurons to rub together.
It’s like the old saying goes, I never repeat rumors…… So you better pay attention the first time.
TWICE she assumes things that are not in evidence, with no basis whatsoever for the premise upon which that opinion is offered.….. and who is this “we”, in “we assume…”?
 

Are you familiar with the WTJWorg position on vaccination? Is there agitation on members to vaccinate?
Basically, what you mention, can really be a problem, that smaller children won’t be able to come with their parents. I mean, on the other hand, kids will be spared from some aspects of bad theology from the podium.

Salutations, Space Merchant.
 
This is what I feared. It appears no one here can hold a civil tongue in order to have a constructive and a healthy debate.
 Therefore, I will stay silent in order not to offend anyone or be a cause of any further quarrels in my behalf. I can see where the left and the right will come together to vacate someone that is not welcomed in this forum.

Friend, I was I clear enough for you on the reason why I made the moniker change? I am not the one twisting things around. To the contrary. You claim slander when you, yourself, slander. I merely pointed out, how could you address that situation before a court since you made an idol threat to do so in another post against your former institution if they slandered you. A lawyer would need to understand your reasoning. I was not offering you my service, since it's clear you would undoubtedly lose in a court.
There is no deceit, and I'm sorry you feel that way. I recommend you accept everything that is posted against you, if you are just venting online.
There's no need to be rude and obnoxious about it. Perhaps, you are not a Christian in a Christian oriented forum. It is still no excuse not to be civil.
This suggests you do hold anger and hate. If you want to use words like slander, I propose you keep your slander in check.
Once again, friend. Was I unclear for the reason I made the name change, or are you just like the rest here that seem to thrive over arguments, being quarrelsome? If that is the case, why have this forum if people can't conduct themselves in a civil manner. This suggests this forum is not, Christian but a platform to vent and argue just like the world.

Remember this, Jehovah God foretold and had a Prophet  declare the news that Nineveh the Great City  would be destroyed.
Then, for reasons of his own, he changed his mind.

I repeat FUNNY HOW YOU NOW CALL THEM BIRTH PANGS 

I suppose this could be analyzed from more than one aspect, and then some conclusions drawn.
What the JWs are preaching, and you have now repeated, in relation to the above events is that the number and frequency of events is directly related to the prophecy of Jesus and the year 1914. Although, I don’t think anywhere in Jesus ’words can one hear or see that Jesus said and linked the increase in frequency and number of events to prophecy. Jesus did not say a single word that in the future there would be more wars, more diseases, more famines, and the like, than there were in their time.
In fact, it came to an end in their time (70 CE). So, the number of wars, earthquakes, famines and the like remained, i guess, on average during that time (1st century) which he marked "the end of the system of things" .., for the Jews. The End in which "there is no stone left unturned."
How an earthquake occurs. These are the seismic processes that (God) built into planet Earth during creation, during formation. The decrease or increase in the number of earthquakes should be related to the state of the geological processes of the planets, and not to whether people are evil, and therefore they are reached by the prophecy of earthquakes in which they lose their lives. Earthquakes do not take place because people are evil or because people live in the “last days”.
Wars, on the other hand, can be attributed to human character. Poverty and hunger (on global scale) are also often times associated with the decisions of the people who run the states. Because not all people in the world are starving. If everyone in the world were starving, would that be a fulfillment of prophecy? Or is the fulfillment of the prophecy a periodic starvation in certain parts of the world? Is the poverty of some parts of human society the fulfillment of prophecy? What is poverty? Is it when you have less than $ 500 a month, or less than $ 2500 a month?
According to Rutherford, the "time of the end" is a period of time when millions will not die, but will live forever. What a delightful sensation he caused in most of his listeners, and how at the same time he uttered the greatest nonsense. And all those people died, and we're talking about them now.

When they are good ides they cannot be refuted and then people go to ridicule... so I welcome you to pick it apart - with logic

We have the faithful and sealed,  144,000” who never worshipped Revelation’s end time Wild Beast from the Sea.  They were blameless “and lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”.  Rev 20:4
We also have the anointed remnant in the last days -  “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, who are “taken captive by empty philosophy”.  (Col 2:8,1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  Satan deceives them with a flood of lies. This is how he “makes war” with them.  (Rev 12:3,4,15)
Matt 24:24,25 –  “For false messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance.”
Through this captivity, the anointed worship the Beast, they give their obedience to men and the beast/organization.  They bear its “mark”; but there are some who “conquer” the Beast/organization by sacrificing their life for Christ. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15; 15:2) They also must repent to receive their “white robe washed in the blood of the lamb”. (Heb 10:22; Rev 7:14)
The symbolic thousand years ended with the emergence of the Wild Beast from the Sea and the Beast with “two horns” like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon” – descriptive of false prophets.  (Rev 13:11,12)
Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7,8 = the two Beasts of Rev 13.  One represents false prophets of “Israel”, (“Gog”), and one represents the “man of lawlessness”/organization (“Magog”) and an army that persecutes the saints.  (Joel 1:4,7-10; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6; 13:5-7)  The false prophet of Rev 13:11,12 directs the Beast from the Sea. Who directs the organization?
Rev 20: “When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison (Rev 9:1,2) and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.”  
The battle of Armageddon.  There is no other battle once this one is finished as Daniel tells us. Dan 7:11-14,21,22,26,27
 Rev 20:8,9 - “Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city.
“New Jerusalem”/Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26)
Once the temple is sealed by the last capstone, (Zech 4:9,10) there is no way that the faithful saints in the Kingdom can be surrounded by Satan, Gog and Magog of Rev 20, while ruling with Jesus Christ.  It is the anointed “kings of the earth” that are the primary target of this war.  Rev 16:13-16 (Rev 1:5)
And this war is one of DECEIT against the saints, as Rev 20:7 tells us.  Deceit means lies, not a war of nations fighting with literal weapons.   How can proven faithful, sealed anointed be deceived once reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom?
Rev 20:9,10 - “Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)
God promises no more death or sorrow in the Kingdom.  The Wt doctrine of the thousand years ending in war, nullifies this promise from God. (Rev 21:4)  He looks at the heart of each one of us during our lifetime, even those before Christ. He already perceives what we are made of, what are capabilities are.  Becoming fleshly, mentally perfect will make no difference.  Obviously, it didn’t for Adam and Eve.   (1 Sam 16:7; Heb 4:13)
 
 

John 5 : 28 & 29 
28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out— those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.  
So the faithful ones will get a resurrection to LIFE, not judgement. 
Jesus was sent to the lost House of Israel. Those that believed Jesus were to be of Spiritual Israel. Those of Spiritual Israel do not get a second judgement. It was Spiritual Israel / Christ's bride that Jesus died for. Christ's death does not cover the Earthly Class as yet. 
Revelation 5 : 9&10 
And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kingsr over the earth.”
The Chosen ones. The ones Christ died for.
Some of those Anointed are still living and will not have 'proven' themselves until their death or until they are taken up from this Earth. So then how has that 'thousand years' finished ?  Unless you are saying all the Anointed HAVE NOW proved themselves. 
I disagree with you entirely on all this.... 

Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.  John 12:31
“Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."  John 5:24
"This is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."   John 3:19
There is not another "judgment" after death is destroyed which is promised to happen at the end of Armageddon.  (1 Cor 15:25,26)
I think we need to remember that the Wt is an expert at confusing teachings.  Developing their doctrine that a thousand years of judgment to come AFTER Armageddon, is laced with a promise of peace, and  of becoming physically and mentally perfect, is totally misleading.  We have the accounts of faithful ones who lived their lives totally devoted to God and His word.  To think that they must enter into another judgment period after they are resurrected, is a lie. It negates the judgment of Christ now.   The symbolic "thousand years" is finished.  It was a time period where the anointed who lived as humans must prove their faithfulness, loyalty to truth, and their love for God, Jesus, and the assignment that was given to them.  (Luke 16:10; Matt 25:21) 
Wt doctrine is basically saying that not only does Jesus not have the capability to judge our hearts now, but neither does God.  These are the same leaders who have allowed the anointed to be trampled down by the elder body.  (Matt 24:24,25,15,16, 48-51;  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)  Whatever is done to the anointed members of Jesus Christ, is done to him.  (Acts 26:14)  So, of course Wt would imply that Jesus' promise of ETERNAL LIFE comes with a fine print clause....another judgment period is to follow,  after he DESTROYS DEATH.  
It is based on the desires of the flesh - who wouldn't latch on to a bogus promise of peace, physical beauty and mental perfection?  Who...would promise such things, but Satan who bestows physical riches, power and authority to those who do his bidding!  (Luke 4:5-7)
This is absolute blasphemy.  
John 6:63 - "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
 
Thousand Years

Some ideas are so obviously fabricated out of desperation that although ridicule may or may not be effective, or insult the persons believing in them,  still need to be ridiculed.
Otherwise, like the old fable goes, the King may ride on horseback  through the cheering town completely naked, because not only does he believe he is wearing the finest magical clothing, but the crowd also believes he is wearing the finest magical clothing, and it takes a child calling out what is obvious to everyone, "THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES!".
I really think you feel insulted by my previous posts, because although they may be rough analogies, they are in fact true, but in your heart of hearts you have a conflict that cannot be allowed to resolve.
"Millions now living will never die." was a deliberate lie, a false flag, puffery, and a taking advantage of naive and scared people for monetary gain.
The way I resolve this, having Faith that somehow, Jehovah's Witnesses really are God's Name People, not based on derived fantasy, but on solid Biblical core doctrine, is not expect much from the leadership of ANY  religious based organization of more than somewhere around 50 to 200 people.
We ALL have our 15 minutes of fame and shame, deluding either ourselves, each other ... or both.
It's the nature of being human.
In an interview on the BBC show Horizon, in 1981 Richard Feynman said this:
"I can live with doubt, and uncertainty and not knowing.  I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong."
 
 
 

Read my answer above - reply to that in a LOGICAL way please - without the ridicule........ that is - if you are capable of answering without ridicule.  Because many people  use ridicule when they are ineffective.  I see a confused emoji there - so I guess that is the only answer I will get. 

So, Of everything I wrote that’s the only thing you could find that you deem to be a illogical?
I would assume then, that you agree with all the other statements that were made in my posting.
……. be a sport, go through it line by line and tell me what points you object to, besides the one you just mentioned.
Could be worse, could be overlapping cows.