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Dear BroRando, you live in a land of unreality. 
“Governing body”, eight men who “govern” - as governors would govern a state.  How is that done?  What power do they have?
"Govern" from Merriam Webster:
1a: to exercise continuous sovereign authority over especially : to control and direct the making and administration of policy in
The country was governed by a king.
b: to rule without sovereign power and usually without having the authority to determine basic policy (interesting!)
2aarchaic : MANIPULATE
b: to control the speed of (a machine) especially by automatic means
3a: to control, direct, or strongly influence the actions and conduct of
b: to exert a determining or guiding influence in or over
income must govern expenditure
to hold in check : RESTRAIN
was told to govern her emotions
4: to require (a word) to be in a certain case
5: to serve as a precedent or deciding principle for customs that govern human decisions
Intransitive verb
1: to prevail or have decisive influence : CONTROL
In all situations allow reason to govern.
2: to exercise authority
 
MANIPULATE, RESTRAIN, CONTROL
These words define the governing leaders. 
If Jesus is our leader, shouldn’t Jesus Christ take precedence in our lives? Shouldn’t his teachings “rule” our lives above and beyond the governing rulership of men?  Is it not true that these men set decrees outside of the Bible, that “govern human decisions”?  Yes! A. Morris admits to this!
When we speak Christ’s truth – TRUTH – Wt’s “governors” exercise their assumed sovereign power of authority, and direct those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their leader, to be spiritually “killed” – disfellowshipped.  (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:11,12,15)
You will know when you are on the side of truth, when you experience the same.  
“Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves. 17 Beware of them, because they will hand you over to local courts(judicial committees)  and flog you in their synagogues – (“congregations”). 18 You will even be brought before governors and kings because of me, to bear witness to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they hand you over, don’t worry about how or what you are to speak. For you will be given what to say at that hour, 20 because it isn’t you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is speaking through you.
21 “Brother will betray brother to death - disfellowshipped, and a father his child. Children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house ‘Beelzebul,’ how much more the members of his household!”  Matt 10:25-13
 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
So you see, your governing body leaders have put themselves above Jesus Christ through their judgment against Jesus’ disciples. (Luke 22:24-27)  We have another spiritual fulfillment of what took place under the corrupt rule of the Pharisees.  Those part of the anointed Body of Christ must follow the same path that Jesus took - persecution from their own people. (John 15:20)  If they remain where you are, they are the foolish virgins buying their "oil"/spirit/food from wolves in sheep's clothing, a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; Acts 20:29; Rev 13:11,12)
 I answer only to the Father and the Son.  (Gal 1:10)
 
 
Should we obey men?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yep, and I had sent this before. Around that time there was another person who spoke about 1914, but had his own blog post who went by the name Reslite. Reslite is most likely still a Bible Student, and stated to have studied Pastor Russell for many years. He at times, blames JWs for things, but often finds himself defending Russell from ExJWs. Ironically enough if you catch him at a good time, he is willing to speak to anyone regardless of their faith. As with the mention Reslite, who he himself talked about 1914.
So far, it isn't always easy to find his information, he might know something, probably some info on the Canadian Minister.
The below is one of his comments, but similar.
 
 
 

Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)
"Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19
Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37
 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21
"In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17
“The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5
“For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12
 

If you really feel this way about me then so be it.  It might help if you consider also the 'blanket attacks' against Ex-JWs, and that anyone who leaves the JW Org is completely shunned, even by close family.  So it seems to be a two way action. 
 

…..  Except   For    Me.

No - you are saying that - perfect example of twisting....... not a reasoning person....  so I think I am done with you....   you are interested only in being contentious as I clearly said before! 

Yeah …… good point ….. someone DOES have to pay for the space on this forum. 
I think we should try and help out by typing exclusively in lower case letters!
….. and no ellipses or double spaces between words, either!

So now you are saying that 'Jehovah' is not Almighty God.  This becomes interesting. 
I hope you note that I did use a capital 'G' for God, which means Almighty God, not any false god. 
But all we are doing here is wasting space on ths forum, and I presume someone pays for this space. 
So, may you have peace. 

That is only a false accusation. If we really had a decent discussion and not just OCD accusations , you may just discover that your statement is false. Logical thinking is not your forte - that is why you always just attach in a blind fashion - which is the crux of your MO. False assumptions and baseless blanket attacks. 

I did not say you stand against God. I said against Jehovah. .... there is a difference you know! 

Most people on here know exactly who I am. Why are you pretending that you do not know ?  
Never mind Billy, you are serving Satan well, enjoy it whilst you can. 

What a wicked accusation, to say that I stand against God.  I love Almighty God and His son Jesus Christ.
But your problem is clearly seen here. You do not know the difference between Almighty God, and, the Watchtower / JW Org.  Unfortunately for you it shows where your loyalty lies. It would appear that your love is for the JW Org, not for God or Christ. 
It brings us back to this; JWs have been brainwashed into thinking that a person can only be a True Christian if that person is a JW.  This is GB teachings. Back to the old record of : "Only JWs will be saved at Armageddon", and JWs believe it. 

You wanted me to change the subject by feeling all sorry for you.  It was a bad ploy to use on me and then you try to shame me for calling you out! lol.... I have suffered a lot in my life too - very nasty stuff but  it has made me kinder to the true underdogs and also less quick to judge others on face value!
Good for you that you have a little sympathy for others......even if you acquired this quality only by your own suffering....  Your hardline stance against Jehovah does not seem to credit you as capable of deep love... your blanket and false accusations show you up for who you are!  You have been measured and your hate has made you to be found wanting, my dear!

And you pretend to be a JW   Oh billy the kid you are sooooooooo strange 

Please explain in a Christian way, what 'card' you think I am playing.
How is it wrong for one victim to have empathy for other victims ? 

I knew you were playing that card,  I do not like to be manipulated by a viper.

Prove it.  That will simply expose you as a willfull liar.  (Revelation 22:15)  Down down down.... in a ring of fire, she burns burns burns, flames keep getting higher.....  😀
 

It was you that called it hell fire Rambo, not me. You told me that i would burn and suffer.. Now you twist things and tell lies. This seems to be getting worse with JWs here. 
It was me that reminded you that 'the dead are conscious of nothing at all'. 
Satan uses you well. 
 
 

There are so many forms of abuse in the organization.  Whatever was taught and dismissed, as errors in teachings, mislead people through spiritual abuse. They carry a full doctrine of lies and burden the people down with them, whether they know it or not. (Matt 11:28-30; Luke 11:46; Col 2:20-23)   Whatever physical pain and suffering is caused by the organization's sweeping sins under the rug, is emotional and physical abuse.  It's so easy for JWs to ignore the pains of others.  They cannot fathom that years of suffering by victims of abuse, have gone by in their organization - abuse committed to their own "brothers and sisters"; who, when they have had enough, leave, and are then,shunned.    It is a haven of "lawlessness", the transgressing of Christ's word, in many ways.
 "Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold." 
"Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves."  Phil 2:34
How can they do this, when their leaders set the example of self-gratification?
 
 
 
 

Twisting things to suit your own purpose shows your dishonesty. You were talking about control, hence i gave you facts about control.  Now you twist it to pretend that i blame the GB. A very stupid comment from you and a total lack of feeling. But that it what it takes to be a JW isn't it ? Lack of true feelings for others. 
Being a victim myself gives me empathy for other victims. I can understand the trauma, hence I have feelings for victims of CSA in the JW Org. Because the children did not ask to be part of that Org and those children trusted the Elders and others in those congregations. But those children were abused by the very people they trusted. And it is made worse because nobody cares. 
Your very comment above shows the heart of a JW.

But unfortunately your Leaders do not act as slaves of God through Christ. You know this to be true.
The Child Sexual Abuse. The lies told in courtrooms by the GB's Lawyers. The false prophecies from your Leaders past and present.  You GB pretending to be the F&DS.  Your GB exalting themselves above the Anointed, and then telling the Anointed not to meet together, not to pray together and not to study God's word together. 
And your GB put in writing in the Watchtower magazine, that if the Anointed were to meet together to do those things, then your GB say the Anointed would be working against the Holy Spirit. 
And the Leaders of your organisation have brainwashed all JW into believing that 'only JWs will be saved' and that 'only JWs can be Christians'.  
Your Leaders and many of the Elders are causses for stumbling, that does not being praise to Almighty God.  
Look at the pictures they have put on the front of Watchtower magazines over the years, to frighten people into the Org. 
And JWs do not preach. JWs distribute the words of your GB. Standing at a cart / trolly handing out thingswritten by your GB, is NOT preaching God;s words, it is handing out the words of men. 
JWs have long been instructed NOT to give their own opinion on anything, but to always refer to 'the literature'. And when a 'Bible study' takes place, it is not from the Bible, it is from a GB written book. 
I was a JW for many years, I know the proceedure. I am no longer a JW because I left the Org, yes I left the Org, I was not d/fed. I left because of the way Victims of CSA are mistreated. They are treated as collateral damage. Your GB does not care about them and your Elders have no conscience. 
Most JWs have no idea what is going on behind the scenes of the Org. I keep refering to something Jesus said about 'first cleaning the inside of the bowl or dish, so that the whole thing would become clean'. But your Leaders only whitewash the outside of the JW Org to pretend it is clean. 
Yes, Jesus is coming with the Angels, to judge us all. But He will judge in righteousness, whereas the Watchtower / JW Org / GB / Elders, do not do so. 

Does this mean that there are "imposters" in the organization as well, who don't share your love for 1914?  

In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  
When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)
  1 Cor 10:21

Who was in charge of offering sacrifices in the early temple arrangement?
"The Levitical priests will never fail to have a man always before me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices."  Jer 33:18
"you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
The anointed priests of the spiritual Temple of God (1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) are responsible for the "daily sacrifice" of praise.  Look in your Insight Book, which explains the spiritual Temple, and who comprise it.  Forget what G. Loesch has said, that every JW comprises the Temple.  That is a ploy to hide the "man of lawlessness" within the organization.  The anointed have been cut off from offering their individual "sacrifices of praise" in truth, by your wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:5-7)  Their hired henchmen/elder body/"Gentiles have replaced the priesthood. (Rev 11:1,2) THAT is how the constant feature has been removed.   Your downfall is taking literal time periods and trying to make them fit - literally.  The dates in the time of Jesus Christ are symbolic.  (1 Cor 15:46)
Dan.9:26 reads:
"And after the sixty-two weeks, anointed shall be cut off (Rev 13:7,17) and shall have nothing for himself" (Isa 50:2; 63:4,5; Mal 2:7; Isa 41:28) (Isa 58:12; Ezek 13:5; 22:30; Isa 63:3; Rev 19:15).
"And the people of the prince who is to come (2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood (Isa 28:15; Rev 12:15; 9:2), and to the end there shall be war (Rev 12:7; Gen 3:15; Matt 24:6; Dan 11:36; Rev 17:14; 19:11,14; 16:13-16; 20:7,8).
"Desolations are decreed."  (Hos 4:6; Mal 2:8; Ezek 22:26; Dan 11:31; Rev 13:15,17,18; 12:2; 9:3-6,9-11) 
Constant Feature
You must not have heard A. Morris's talk on money.  According to him, God and Jesus only love you if you give to the organization.  He quoted John 14:23, and said:
"God loves people who love to give. And that’s true.  So we want J. to love us.."
"but if we say we love Jesus, and were not like Christendom with this proclamation for their love for Jesus, they really don’t even know the real Jesus, frankly till you get an accurate knowledge of the truth.  But if we’re in the truth, dedicated baptized servants of him, if we really love him we’re gonna observe his word.  Now that means not just carrying out the kingdom putting our time and energy into it, it also means money"
Nowhere in Jesus' teachings, did he say to put value on money, but to give to the poor - those in need. Apparently, that excludes the GB and all leaders of the organization - leaches who suck the poor dry.   

So many different ideas from different JWs on here.  It's kinda sad really. 
But soon there will be a True Anointed remnant that speak truth from God through Christ. Only by inspiration from God's Holy Spirit will truth be spoken. 
Zechariah 8:23
Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
So, there will come a time when people seeking truth will know who this spiritual JEW is.