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Usually the disfellowshipped one is said to be "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses".  If these people are the ONLY ones in the world that will receive salvation, as it is basically taught, then everyone else couldn't be considered a Christian right?  They perceive that any who leave, have no life with God,  no possibility to be redeemed unless they return.  
 w15 4/15 p. 30-31 puts it like this:   "Likewise, disfellowshipped ones who are no longer members of the Christian congregation—their spiritual family—may come to realize what they have lost. The bitter fruits of their sinful course, together with the memories of happier days when they enjoyed a good relationship with Jehovah and his people, could bring them to their senses."
 
 

Well i for one have learnt a lot in the time I've been on here. 
I've learnt how totally 'unChristian' some JWs can be. That includes the GB and their lawyers. (With proof from court cases)
I've learnt how people will deliberately twist the things i write.  I've learnt that some so called 'JW' people will deliberately tell lies about me to get me d/fed from this forum. 
And more importantly I've learnt some things about GB members past and present, and about things the Watchtower have put in writing. 
So extra knowledge has helped me to make a decision not to return to the JW Org. 
But you don't really want to know this. You just want to side track from the main point of this topic.
Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
 
 

Please give me one real example, of that ever happening, here on the Archive.

But it's food for thought for JWs and non JWs. Sometimes people do not answer questions outwardly, but they do question themselves about things.  As for people changing their mind, how would you know ? Extra knowledge can sometimes make a difference. 

There are some good historical quotes on jwfacts from past Watchtower mags and books,  on the act of disfellowshipping.  
Such as..
"Down in Goa the papers have carried notices that anyone having various books by Judge Rutherford would be excommunicated. What a bunch of mean and unmanly scallywags! Remember the blind man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, that when the man told the religious fellows where to get off they excommunicated him (John 9; 34, margin), and his parents before that had feared being put out of the synagogue by the "Jews". Isn't that the same cowardly action of the clergy in these days towards those who desire to have their eyes open and to "see"? "We'll excommunicate you!"" Consolation 1937 Nov 17 p.5
"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301"
Interesting that they say this  is a practice of "Satan's organization".  (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,10,11,12,15)
 
 

That is a LOT OF QUESTIONS.
why anyone would go through the trouble of answering them is beyond me…… Because nobody ever changes their mind here…… Ever.
 

https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/    This is interesting reading. 
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century.  When did they become known as Christians ?  Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ?  Did they call themselves by that name ? 
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian". 
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ?  So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?  
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ? 
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ. 
Mark 9:38-41    Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us   Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name.  Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ?  What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ?  Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ?  Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ?  Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other.  But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there.  BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it.  So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ?  And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ?  I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not.  But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ?  I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God.  So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'.  That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. 

We need to wait to see if GB will look for “holes in the law” and then try to avoid or delay meeting its obligations to victims. You know, maybe GB is waging a "theocratic war" and has maneuvers on the "battlefield."

https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money. 

Well the Watchtower Leaders have been trying to move Armageddon since the late 1800's but it hasn't worked. 
 

https://www.dailygrail.com/2016/11/how-was-the-great-pyramid-built-these-notches-where-its-faces-meet-may-be-evidence-for-an-internal-ramp/
Of course no science can be done on the past - only the present. Age of the universe, the earth all these things are correlations at best with other known entities. It's "forensic science", but that's not the same "science" as designing a more efficient combustion engine or longer-lasting battery. The former "science" does it's best at creating a believable "just-so story", the latter has no need of stories as the engine or battery designed works to the specs or they don't.

At the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm, in the Tennessee Valley, the Congregation had an Elder there whose garden was at the base of the mountain, and unless the sun was directly overhead, not much light would get to the vegetables.
He was a fine, theocratic Brother, and took as literal the Scripture at Mark 11:23 about the mountain being relocated, and prayed constantly that God would remove this mountain that shaded his garden most of the day.
After having casually prayed for the mountain to be moved many times, late one night he really "poured it on", with prayer and supplication, almost praying himself into a coma, beseeching God that in the morning, that cursed mountain would no longer be keeping his garden from growing.
Finally, he got to sleep, and when he woke up, the first thing he did was look out the bedroom window to see if that awful mountain was still there.
The mountain was still there.
He turned away in disgust at that mountain, and muttered to himself, "It figures!".
The moral of the story is this: There is a difference between faith in God doing something for you, and faith that something can be done.
.... perhaps at an earlier time in history people could work with quantum probabilities, where absolute faith equaled telekinesis.
(Re-read the Scripture in Mark again to see what it is NOT saying...)
.... after all ... to this very day we still do not know how the Great Pyramids of Egypt were constructed.

..... something performed or practiced in order to develop, improve, or display a specific capability or skill
....regular or repeated use of a faculty or bodily organ
- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exercise
To believe or to show faith, to show trust .... is what Jesus has rewarded many times. He performed miracles on people who showed faith, not faith that developed after months or years of exercise, but faith as the current state of mind and heart. 
Truly I say to you that whoever tells this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but has faith that what he says is going to happen, he will have it happen. Mk 11:23 nwt
Or, people in WTJWorg have years of training how to move mountain?  

That's a real tough one for a people who put their faith in the GB, faith in the elders to lead them,  faith in their doctrines, and faith in the organization.  How far can one's spiritual faith stretch, before nothing is left to "exercise" toward Jesus Christ and the Father?
Their term, "exercise faith" sounds a little mechanical, doesn't it?  It sounds like work, and for JWs, it is almost impossible "exercising faith" toward Jesus Christ. It appears to be a mental exercise only,  that really cannot reach the heart.  If it did, they would listen to what the scriptures are telling them, and they would leave the organization.  Their heart would motivate them to do what Jesus tells them.
Their Bible uses this term "exercise faith" in John 3:18; 14:1; 2 Cor 4:13; John 7:5; 16:9; Rom 10:4,10; Mark 5:36; John 11:26; 6:29; 1 Pet 2:6; John 6:40; 1:12; 11:25; Gal 3:22; Rom 10:9...and the list goes on.
The ESV, NKJV, NIV, LEB and I'm sure many more,  use "believe/s", which  indicates action that can reach the heart.  
 
 

Essentially, knowledge means familiarity with facts acquired by personal experience, observation, or study.......Source of Knowledge. Jehovah is actually the basic Source of knowledge. Life, of course, is from him and life is essential for one’s having any knowledge. (Ps 36:9; Ac 17:25, 28) Furthermore, God created all things, so human knowledge is based on a study of God’s handiwork. (Re 4:11; Ps 19:1, 2) God also inspired his written Word, from which man can learn the divine will and purposes. (2Ti 3:16, 17) Thus the focal point of all true knowledge is Jehovah, and a person seeking it ought to have a fear of God that makes him careful not to incur Jehovah’s displeasure. Such fear is the beginning of knowledge. ................Unless a person exercises faith in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, he cannot grasp the real meaning of the Scriptures and see how God’s purposes are working out in harmony with what He has foretold. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002643

Ha Ha   You got the first bit right for sure. BUT neither God/Christ nor the Bible 'speaks' to the GB in a special way.
They have proven that by their many 'mistakes' and false promises. Come on Tom admit it. The GB have nothing except a lot of puffed up pride and self serving bragging. They even stand on top of the Anointed ones and tell those Anointed ones not to meet together. 
Does the Bible tell your GB to order the Body of Christ not to be as one ? Hypocrisy  
 

These are things I know nothing about. I wouldn’t even be able to list a gnostic faith if asked.
What Mediterranean rooted faith are we referring to? Christianity?
That’s what I’m talkin about. How anyone can swallow that stuff I’ll never know.

I despise the trinity. I read a lot of apologetic works and I have to suffer through the sections where they genuflect to the trinity.
 

They’re not gnostic. They have no special secret source of knowledge. However, the Bible itself speaks to them in a way in does not speak to most. That’s not gnostic, but it leans a little that way.

Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
 
Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
and inscribe it on a scroll;
it will be for the days to come,
a witness forever and ever.
9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
10They say to the seers,
“Stop seeing visions!”
and to the prophets,
“Do not prophesy to us the truth!
Speak to us pleasant words;
prophesy illusions.
11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
“Because you have rejected this message,
trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
a bulge in a high wall,
whose collapse will come suddenly—
in an instant!
14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
shattered so that no fragment can be found.
Not a shard will be found in the dust
large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
or to skim the water from a cistern.”
15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
“By repentance and rest
you would be saved;
your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
 
Sleeping
 

A rough parallel is dogs .... The Disney Character Pluto is Mickey Mouse's dog, and he walks on four legs and has a tail as thin as a clothes line, a collar, and makes normal dog sounds.
Another Disney Character is a dog, wears clothes, and a vest, and walks around on two legs, and can talk just as good as Mickey Mouse.
....and that's just Goofy!
So, which one is lying?
I suspect rules are different if you live in a two-dimensional world, of paper.
..... tell me about it !

This is for sure one way how to deal with wicked persons. People's (and animals) life and health must be protected. 
Are secular courts have no right to be entitled? Well, if so, then you ask or advice us to be independent in/about in determining, at one's own discretion, when one is allowed to lie and deceive institutions that are "appointed by God" to maintain order in human society. This is done by JW lawyers in the courts of "Western democracy".
If a JW member has the right to do so to “worldly persons,” what guarantee do you give that he/she will not do the same to his own JW members of the assembly or to elders? Because that’s a practice that’s common in WTJWorg. People keep things quiet or even lie about the facts. And, JW people are still people like everyone else, right?
So, i would say, the example you gave is justified. But if so, then this is true for all people and in all situations for which an individual deems it justified to lie. If there are exceptions in which we may lie or misrepresent facts, then you (JW people) are no different from “secular people” who have the same kind of argumentation about their actions.
Lying for "the truth" is allowed, and lying for a "lie" is not allowed.    So, Pilate was not mad after all when he asked Jesus, What is the Truth? 
What will be "the truth" when JW lawyer open his mouth? 

Withholding information from people who are not entiteled to it is not lying. For example, would you tell someone who wants to harm your family, where your family is hiding? I am sure you would not. You may even purposefully send them in the opposite direction. 

An exercise in futility.
"Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward."  Job 15:31

The Pyramids during the beginning times, the “Time of the Giants” were ill thought of by such ones, as they were nocturnal and on moonless nights would step on them.
This was before sandals were invented.