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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Apologize for my poor English  
    From reaction made by other people here i see that they understand what was said.
    More serious consequences arise when people who write texts for WTJWorg “distorting, twisting, contorting, screwing up” the minds of their readers .... PS ....and listeners.
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I can name several defects that I have and I continually ask for forgiveness.  One thing I don’t do, is teach millions of people that they must obey me, no matter what I say.  I don’t put myself before Jesus Christ. I don’t lead millions of people into idolatry, a grave sin that I committed for over 30 years and which I have asked God to forgive me; for listening to spiritual harlots who have broken their covenant with Jesus, and becoming one myself by consuming their lies.   I don’t tell people that Armageddon will be here in a certain year, and when it doesn’t occur, blame my listeners for jumping to conclusions.
    I don’t exalt earthly treasures above spiritual “treasures”/knowledge of God’s Word.  Can your leaders live without their organization, their compound, their hopes and dreams to be filled on this earth…in Satan’s domain?
    Their sins are not the slight ones. They have committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit, by damning the anointed in Christ, who speak against their lies. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I do believe those in the world who want to "know" the GB just need to tune into the website and take a listen to their videos.  Their deficiencies are REAL.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says:
    “No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”
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    Dmitar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    If I may,
    God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:
    “God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19
    God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen:
    “Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15
    Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21).
    This is their future if they do not change:
    “Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,..... Ps 1:1
    counsel - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counsel
    Synonyms: Noun
    advocate,  attorney,  attorney-at-law,  counselor  (or counsellor),  counselor-at-law,  lawyer,  legal eagle Synonyms: Verb
    advise,  confab,  confabulate,  confer,  consult,  parley,  treat WTJWorg literature is full of counsels, instructions, directives, dogmas and teachings. Plenty of them is questionable. Thus, the problem may be in the person giving the advice and in the content of the advice. Often times, giving advice in the JW assembly, is at the level and in the form of a request and obligation to accept the advice. In that case, if the advice of the JW elders is not accepted, it could mean that such a person is "marked" as disobedient, stubborn and the like.
    But let us ask ourselves this; What could be the advice, from WTJWorg lawyers, also elders, on whether to tell the truth or still be allowed to lie and deceive? The Bible says, don't lie. WTJWorg publications say that it is allowed to lie in order to protect the WTJWorg organization. Enough, right, about the types of advice from a JW organization?
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Your long-winded replies show you have a pride problem. If the GB needs disciplining, Jehovah will be the one to give it.
    Jude 9
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    That is a very good scripture to apply to your leaders who continuously rely on fabrications of their own mind, to lead God's people.  (Jer 14:14)
     
     
    Perhaps you are interpreting my resistance to approach a body of elders for spiritual support that you believe I must need, as being stiff-necked?  I don’t think you understand God’s use of “stiff-necked” in the scriptures.  It concerns God’s people not following His commands, and Christ’s teachings. (Exod 32:8-10; Acts 7:51) If needed, I receive my counsel and refinement from the Father and the Son. (1 John 1:7,9,10; 2:1; 3:2,3; 5:3; Eph 4:20-24)   The GB have created their own interpretation of God’s word that diverts from scripture. You even mentioned that the magazines are simply interpretations on the word of God, which indicates no solid ground for truth to be established. (Matt 7:26,27)  Their goal is to refine JWs according to an earthly organizational method under the influence of their word, that you seem to prefer.  No.  They are not my mediator, an organization made up of elders is not my mediator, who have usurped the anointed priesthood in Christ, (2 Thess 2:3,4) and who gives advice by the guidelines of a confidential scripted book.   Are your methods the same earthly methods of your leaders?  ( Phil 3:17-21; James 3:15)
    “So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast day or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, ("messengers"....was it you who mentioned that JWs tend to "worship" the GB? Someone did)   intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
    20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.”  Col 2:16-23
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in WHERE ARE THE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING?   
    If the only path of eternal life is truth in God’s Word, why would one tolerate untruths? (John 1:17; 14:6; 17:17; 1 John 4:6; 2 Tim 2:15) 
    Once we fall into a truth-baited trap, finding we’ve been surrounded by the deep darkness of untruths, what happens? (Ps 140:5; Amos 3:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 2 Cor 6:14) 
    We either fold our hands and accept the good with the bad, as thousands have done so for the rest of their fleshly lives; or our heart condition is motivated at some point to know why – why would God teach His people doctrine that is revealed to be untrue; doctrine which men call repeatedly, “adjustments in understanding” and “new light”. (Isa 5:20,21; 50:11; Eph 5:6,11; Rev 2:2; Mal 3:18) 
    God would not condone untruths, and neither would Jesus Christ. (Num 23:19; Mark 7:7; 2 John 1:9; Heb 6:18) But men in the organization convinced us otherwise. (Gal 1:6-9) 
    Jesus, who established the foundation of the Temple of Truth, has always been straightforward in providing the light of God’s word for those who seek it. (John 2:19,21; John 14:6; 8:12; John 3:20,21;1 Cor 3:11; 1 Pet 2:5,6; 1 Cor 12:28; Eph 1:13;2:19,20; 1 John 4:6) 
    However, “wolves in sheep’s clothing”, who receive their powers of deception from the father of the lie, are responsible for setting the successful trap of confusion. (Ezek 22:27; Isa 3:12; 9:16;Matt 7:15; 24:23-26; Acts 20:29; John 8:44; 1 Tim 4:1,2; 2 Pet 2:1-3) 
    They claim their personal role and that of their organization, is to disseminate truth, and this work is approved by both God and Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12) Yet, neither the Father nor the Son would abandon what was initially established on the body of Christ in the first century, in order to accommodate the lying doctrines and aspirations of men. (Matt 16:18;1 Cor 3:10; Col 1:5; Eph 2:20,21; 2 Tim 1:13; 2:2; 3:14) 
    Each doctrine and subsequent doctrinal change, is an obstacle to one’s spiritual growth. (Mark 9:42; 1 Cor 4:6; James 3:15; 1 Tim 6:3-5) 
    “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Rom 16:17,18
    In fact, the climate found in the organization reminds me of the air breathed when wildfires rage close to home. For days on end, the sun’s rays are obscured with smoke and ash. We may initially complain, but this obstacle is eventually accepted as an oppressive “normal”, and adaptations to continue in the daily routine are made. Our lungs and ensuing health suffer from inhaling harmful residue from the fires. In the organization, we adapted to the smoke and mirrors of deception and idolatry, contrived by the “ruler of the power of the air”. (Ezek 32:7; Isa 13:9,10; Joel 3:15; Eph 2:2; Rev 9:1,2) We were existing without the light of the “sun” – the light and truth of Christ’s teachings. We “breathed” in spirit-driven falsehoods, letting them settle into our hearts and placing our spiritual health in jeopardy. (Ps 5:9; Zech 8:17; Isa 29:13; Rev 16:13-16) 
    We didn’t realize that each doctrine established, is a clear sign that men have diverted from the Temple foundation of truth. (Jer 8:8-9; Matt 7:15-20; John 15:4,5; Col 2:3,4) 
    We were unaware that these false teachers appease their fleshly need for power over others, through the ‘sale’ of their false doctrines, while also exalting what they have built. (Exod 34:12-15; Isa 2:7,8; Hab 2:18; Rom 1:25; Rev 2:20;13:1,3-4,11,12,16,17) 
    We shared in the sins of their folly. (Jer 5:31; Isa 3:11;Prov 19:3; 1 Tim 6:9; Rev 14:9-11; 18:4-8) 
    “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience. We too all previously lived among them in our fleshly desires, carrying out the inclinations of our flesh and thoughts, and we were by nature children under wrath as the others were also” Eph 2:1-3
    The organization’s existence serves the spiritual thieving need for Satan to destroy the competition – those “kings of the earth” under Jesus Christ. (Rev 1:5;5:9,10) (Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9) 
    Is it really true that the governing leaders would accommodate Satan’s driving passion to destroy God’s priests/kings? (Luke 4:5-7; 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15; Heb 12:15,16; Rev 8:10,11)
    Well, it is not uncommon in the history of political rulership to witness corrupt men coming to power, only to rob and crush the poor and the needy. How much more so would Satan implement a plan to rob and crush the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” under the façade of righteous acts, and using his ministers to carry it out? (Eccl 10:5-7; Jer 9:8; Isa 3:5,13-15; Zech 7:10; Hab 2:9,10; Jer 8:16; Joel 1:6,7;2 Thess 2:4,9,10; Rev 9:3,4,7,8,11; Rev 11:2; 12:13,15,17; 2 Cor 11:4,14,15) 
    Can you imagine Satan sitting back and allowing his kingdom to be destroyed, which without a doubt will happen when the Temple of living stones has reached completion? (Zech 4:6,7; Dan 2:34,35; 7:27; Rom 8:19-22) 
    No corrupt leader willingly gives up what he has built without a fight to protect his interests; and Satan’s only threat, is Jesus and the anointed members of his body. (1 John 5:19; Matt 28:18;:33; 1 Cor 15:25,26; Eph 6:12; Rev 12:7,10) 
    The traditional warring campaign is to target, capture and kill. Of course, this is Satan’s tactic against the kingdom heirs since he originated the plan. (Ezek 38:10,11; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:7,8) If we analyze the organization’s drive to search out those who are called “honest-hearted ones”, (“the hearts of the naïve”), the realistic goal behind the deception, is to target the unsuspecting ones, and lead these individuals into the indoctrination of men, resulting in spiritual famine, disease and ultimate destruction. (Hos 4:1; Amos 8:11; Isa 32:6; 1 John 3:8) 
    Pearl Doxsey once said Satan “dredged the world to get anyone interested in the Bible.” Upon hearing this, I immediately thought of gold dredging in the high country of rivers and streams where I grew up. Many believe that this practice is destructive to stream life. I tend to agree that it can destroy spawning grounds of fish, diverting riverbeds from their natural course. From what I’ve learned, any man-made change that does not accommodate the natural flow of rivers, streams, small seasonal run-offs, and moisture from the heavens, constricts or prevents all established trees, plants and water life dependent on their natural setting, to continue thriving as they once were.
    A valuable “token” of Holy Spirit is deposited into each heart of one chosen by God through the anointing. (2 Cor 1:21,22; 1 Pet 2:9) Jesus compares the spirit of knowledge and truth, to “fine gold”. (John 14:15-17; Rev 3:18) 
    Each vessel chosen to do God’s will, should preserve the word of God, and teach it. (Mal 2:7; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Cor 4:1; 2 Cor 4:7; Eph 4:11,12; 1 Thess 2:4) Through their faithfulness and sacrifices of praise, the wisdom of God should grow within them. (Matt 25:14,19,21; Eph 2:10; 3:20; 4:15; Phil 1:6; Eph 1:7-10) 
    Jesus also compares the end harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, to fish caught in a net. (Matt 13:37-39, 47,48; Jer16:16,17,18,15; 5:26; Hab 1:15-17) 
    These “sons”/anointed are God’s “possession”. (Exod 19:6; John 15:16; 1 Pet 2:9,10) 
    Through this fishing and dredging process, they became Satan’s captives, in time to halt the progress of further spiritual development of truth within themselves. (Heb 5:12-14) He halted the flow of “living water” that Jesus promised would come from the hearts of those who believe in him, and who remained attached to the “vine”/sap of Holy Spirit. (John 4:10; 7:38; 15:4; Jer 2:13)
    He successfully blocked their connection with their Master and Head, Jesus Christ, and introduced them to a new Master, under the covenant of death. (Eph 5:23; Col 2:19; Jer 8:18,19; Hos 17:10,13,16; Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11; 17:3; Isa 28:15,18) 
    Satan diverted the waters of life, preventing any who showed interest in the word of God to receive truth. (2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 5:20; 2 Tim 2:15) He created his own poisoned waters, through his ministers, to the fatal harm of all who drink it in. (Rev 8:10,11) He prevented the members of Christ’s body to receive the “bread of life”, preventing their union as one body, “one loaf” sent by Christ to those hungry for truth. (John 6:35,50,51; Matt 10:40,41) 
    At his demand, God has allowed this testing by Satan to come upon the final remnant in the last days. (Luke 22:31; Jer 9:13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12) 
    Pearl had mentioned that just as Herod went into Jerusalem to find the young Jesus and kill him, Satan has searched out those under the New Covenant in Christ – the anointed of “Jerusalem above”, to destroy with deceit. The “preaching work” of JWs, facilitated Satan’s plan. (Gal 4:26) 
    These counterfeit "witnesses" unwittingly go "door to door" with the bait....searching out the "firstborn sons" for Satan....
    that they might take the bait...becoming ensnared, enslaved, and "destroyed" before they have a chance to grow to sealed maturity (Eph.4:13; 1Cor.2:6; Gal.4:19)....just as the soldiers of Herod sought through every home in Ramah, to destroy the promised seed (Rev.12:17; Heb.12:23; Rev.14:4; 2Thess.2:13,14; Matt.2:16,17,18; Isa.49:21; Eze.14:22; 6:8; 7:16; 12:16) 
    Unfortunately, Satan did not care that innocent babies were killed in his rage (reflected in Herod) against the promised "seed" Jesus (Gal.3:16). Neither does he care, that interested Bible students are perishing from the poisonous waters he has unleashed to target the "seed" today (Gal.3:29,26; Rev.12:4,15,16,17).
    There is nothing superior about the indoctrination offered to the Bible students of "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    They are learning lies just as members of Christendom are learning lies.
    The only path to life, is Truth.
    Whether you are "babes" to doctrines of men, or babes to the real truth,
    the Great Tribulation will be a severe spiritual test, which most will not survive (Matt.24:22,24,13)...
    Not because the test is unfair, but because most of those of the learned and the unlearned,
    prefer the idolatrous lies (2Thess.2:9,10; Matt.7:13).
    For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation. 
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/babes-and.html
     
    "Go to the ant, you sluggard;
    consider its ways and be wise!
    7 It has no commander,
    no overseer or ruler,
    8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
    and gathers its food at harvest.
    9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
    When will you get up from your sleep?
    10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 6
     
    "I went past the field of a sluggard,
    past the vineyard of someone who has no sense;
    31 thorns had come up everywhere,
    the ground was covered with weeds,
    and the stone wall was in ruins.
    32 I applied my heart to what I observed
    and learned a lesson from what I saw:
    33 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    34 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 24
    Jer 8:13; Hos 8:7,8; Isa 50:2; Rev 18:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+8%3A13%3B+Hos+8%3A7%2C8%3B+Isa+50%3A2%3B+Rev+18%3A8 &version=NIV
     
    The temple of God’s dwelling where truth could be found in a united anointed priesthood of “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5) is in symbolic ruins in the organization. (Matt 24:2; Luke 19:41-44) Thorns and briars have taken over. (Dan 11:36,37; Ezek 2:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) The saints are scattered among the nations, but that doesn’t mean that a “restoration” work is impossible. (Eph 2:4-10) It is happening now. As Pearl said, “For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation.” (Ezek 34:12; Isa 50:10; 52:1,2; Eph 5:14-16; Jer 31:10,11;16; Isa 10:20) 
     
    Leave the organization if you haven’t already done so! And if you have left, help as many as you can to leave the abyss of deep darkness behind.
     
    "If you falter in a time of trouble,
    how small is your strength!
    11 Rescue those being led away to death;
    hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
    12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”
    does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
    Does not he who guards your life know it?
    Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?" Prov 24
     

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    Dmitar reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Not really. Some people just get more discipline than others. If you know anything, you know that no one gets DF'ed for doing anything. They get DF'ed for their attitude about what they're doing. If you don't cop an attitude, you generally don't get DF'ed. Now it's true that you can look at a person's behavior and intuit the attitude especially if they keep repeating the thing that got them disciplinary attention to begin with. Some people need something sterner to get their attention. But no one's been weeded. These can still stay in the garden, they just don't have all the privileges they had formerly. The "weeding" is what people do to themselves when they leave permanently. Are they leaving to a better, more correct group of Christians, or just a group who'll tolerate all manner of bad behavior? Or, and this is what some do, they become atheists or agnostics in a sense saying "If God doesn't present himself in a way I understand and approve of, I'll just wave my hands and he'll cease to exist." Yes, it is their job to shepherd the flock and yes it means to watch out for malcontents and others who'd want people to go astray. (This is the problem I see in Christendom in general) More denominations SHOULD disfellowship their members. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. Now you can argue that the way some handle their associations w/DF'd ones isn't something handled well at times and you'd be right, but that's going to happen w/everything that humans are involved with. They are going to get it wrong. Family members have to take responsibility for the way they handle members of their own family and others who are DF'ed - there are going to be some who minimize the discipline and they have to deal with that (and I've seen that they do...eventually).
    Issues w/CSA and these other things have been examined by others outside as well as inside and adjustments have been made, but no....it's not perfect and never will be, but when this organization is contrasted w/others there isn't a better organization I'm aware of doctrinally or practice-wise with which one might associate.
    Do I believe every recent interpretation or other older interpretations which have come down the pike? No. And I don't teach any of those things as facts, but as interpretations. The facts are clear and these are what can be clearly pointed to in scripture - the rest is speculation and there is and has always been organizational speculation as well as private and personal speculation. Does this mean that Jehovah isn't in control and directing things? No.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    And that is why I'm PATIENTLY WAITING FOR TRUTH. 
    BUT, in the meantime, I will continue to follow my Christian conscience and give warning about the lies, hypocrisy and immorality in the Watchtower / JW Org. And I will continue to show the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the GB in their dealings with CSA and the Pedophiles in the Org. In my opinion it is the Christian way to warn others of danger, both spiritual and physical. 
    I've been told by many on here that the GB cannot be weeded out anyway. That is rubbish of course, because God and Christ can remove anyone they want to. When it happens, then we shall find truth. 
    There are so many true Anointed ones that God through Christ can use to replace the GB. 
    The scripture that you quoted from Matthew would be referring to people inside the Org. BUT what I'm referring to is the ones that have put themselves in the place of the Master, namely your GB. 
    The strange thing is, the Elders / Circuit Overseers are constantly weeding / disfellowshipping people. Did Jesus tell them it was their job  ??? 
    Are the Elders deliberately uprooting the wheat ? 
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    Dmitar reacted to TrueTomHarley in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    “So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not just cover your home with fine paint? How, then, does there come to be anti-JW graffiti all over it? He said to them, ‘An enemy, those pestilential apostates, did this. The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and scrub it off?  He said, ‘No, for fear that while scrubbing it off, you may ruin the paint job. Let them both remain for a time—I’ll put up with the eyesore for now—until that time when the Grand Redecorator comes along to bundle those guys up in groups of fifty and send them all to the WeepnNash hoosegow.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to TrueTomHarley in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    “As chairman of the resurrection Welcome Wagon, it is my honor to welcome you back from the dead. We have it set up so the guy who is resurrected, after a brief orientation, gets to chair the committee to greet the next group. I’m King David. You may have read of me when……um…….(gulp)……oh, hello Uriah. It’s good to see you.”
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I have often pondered that Jehovah God had expressed a particular fondness for humans, and no stated preference for dogs.
    Perhaps in the New System, after the thousand year training and final exam, or perhaps even sometime before that (?) and "New Scrolls" are opened, perhaps we will learn that there is a plan, and perhaps has always been a plan, for a "Rainbow Bridge", where we wait for our Guardians to be resurrected, and be with us once again.
    Like so many things discussed here .... the CORRECT answer is "I don't know."
    It seems like a hint is that Jehovah knows our Guardians' limitations, and seems to have tolerated a tremendous amount of grievous error of his "Organization" back in the era of King David, et al.
    Incredible amounts of grievous error!
    Think of all the many thousands of Jews that fought in Jehovah's sanctioned and approved wars, who EVEN THOUGH JEHOVAH WAS WITH THEM ... they were slaughtered on the battlefields of those times. Jehovah COULD have preserved and protected each one of them, but he did not.
    Why Not?
    ANSWER: Because "Stuff Happens".
    ....... get used to it.

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    Dmitar reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    27  So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28  He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’y The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29  He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. - Mt 13:27-27
    "taking down" = weeding - Jesus said that wasn't your job.
    As for turning away and how one does this and to whom is everyone's responsibility. If you've judged then you have to deal w/the judgement you've made. Clearly not everyone JW or non-JW agrees w/you, but it's your prerogative and your responsibility. Whether it's a better use of your time to turn people towards something or away from something is your prerogative and responsibility as well.
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    If I may remark, it would then mean that GB should stop calling ex-JW with expressions as; ex-JW are "apostates, enemies, poison" and the like. 
    Also, JW members' "bible-trained consciences" would disregard the GB directive on how to treat former members.
    What you mention is commendable. Generally speaking. Generally understood. Generally applicable. But apart from you a few who talk to us here and a few who do it with us personally where we live, it is an rare  exception to WTJWorg policy.
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    Dmitar reacted to Matthew9969 in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …” (1 Timothy 2:5) “There is one body and one Spirit … one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:4) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6) “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and find pasture … I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” (John 10:9) My church, Calvary Church this is what we believe and go by. It's not Calvary church that we turn to for salvation, it's not the building. We go straight to and through Jesus for our salvation. Which is a stark contrast to this bold statement:
    "Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Are you a politician ? You act like one. Sly persuasive words. 
    Now how about the idea of 'taking down' anyone whom you see working against God's will ?
    Such as the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org that are deliberately insulting God and Christ. 
    Remember the Nation of Israel.  Remember Jerusalem. Remember it's destruction. 
    Having a form of Godly devotion,,, 2 Timothy 3 : 5
    Berean Study Bible
    having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 
    Giving false promises, false dates for Armageddon, has caused stumbling, it wasn't 'doing God's will' 
    And CSA, well I've no need to explain. The blood guilt lies on the hands of the W/t leaders. 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    If you can tell the difference between good and bad advice, you don't need it, if you can't it doesn't matter because you'll just end up finding out anyway. There are times when you can end up in the right place following the wrong advice and times you can end up in the wrong place following the right advice and whether it's the wrong place or the right place or not depends on Jehovah.
    There was the time King David (actually, before he was king) when he'd had it w/Saul making his life difficult so he left Israel to go fight as a mercenary for the Philistines. Now he'd always vowed to not lift his hand up (w/graffiti or otherwise) against the anointed of Jehovah, but maybe he's changed his mind because he's on his way to Mt. Gilboa w/the Philistines to fight Saul...but at Aphek he's stopped and sent home...now could be this southward movement of men might have looked like a flanking maneuver to the Israelite scouts and maybe this put them out of position so they weren't in time to defend the entrance to the Jezreel valley leading ultimately to Saul's death? Who knows? Jehovah could have used David in a way to both stop him from breaking his vow AND leading to Saul's death and ultimate replacement. That's all speculation, but could be that's what was going down.
    Thing is, though David didn't fight against an arguably bad King because he was put there by Jehovah and Jehovah was going to have to take him out. In any case, Jehovah's will was done and we can likewise know it will be done today.
    You just don't want to be the intentional instrument to take down anyone or any group whom you see doing God's will, not matter how defective you imagine them to be. We aren't authorized to trash the dragnet either any more than we're authorized to do some weeding, but we can weed ourselves and our own hearts and we should.
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    Dmitar reacted to TrueTomHarley in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    “spraying anti-JW graffiti on whatever surface they can find.”
    Paid up your membership fee for an entire year with that one, you did.
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Or, if you are the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, then you spend your time playing with numbers and dates to pretend you know more than other people do. 
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I have to agree that this does make sense. Though I would think there are cases where people have a right to have an attitude if they've been incorrectly dealt with.  I must admit that the Elders, in more than one congregation, were 'on my back' about some things, but I was never D/fed. 
    Please be balanced enough to accept that some of us leave because of the immorality within the JW Org. I make it clear that I left because of the CSA earthwide in the Org, and because of the dishonest way it was being dealt with.  I felt that the Org was not a safe place to invite families into. I have since found other reasons not to return, but i have not gone looking for an alternative 'Christian' way, nor have I turned my back on God or Christ. Please think again on those last few words of your sentence above. Who was that tolerated pedophile Elders and M/s in congregations of JWs ? 
    This is now an important issue to me. I could not hand out Watchtower magazines or books from the GB / Org if I did not agree with the things written inside them. 
     
    I'd love to see that in a Bible study. Telling a student to read a paragraph from the book, and then saying, 'well actually you don't have to believe that because it's only what the GB write. it might not be true'  
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Ok. I am the army for (by) myself and every other individual is army for itself (himself). That is battle between lie and truth inside us. This sort of war we have to fight. Alone (by myself)..... always alone (by myself).
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    This is in range of "scientific" and "inspired" explanation about ( Hebraism) bible text that is written in (not) "understandably" way for simple minds readers (that is - "Blessed are the poor in spirit"). If so, how to understand, lets say, simple command "do not murder, lie, steal...,". Do we need extra interpretations too? 
    Of course we need. Because GB have many to say about how to practice such "simple" commands.  Especially in secular court cases where WTJWorg lawyers reinterpreting meaning of words "lie and truth" giving them new application.  
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    ...seems pretty clear to me ....
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