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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Exactly.  I just had a few more thoughts
    At the anointing of God's priests, they become the “dwelling” of God’s Spirit:
    1 Cor 3:16 - Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
    That sounds similar to your scripture in Luke17:21, doesn’t it? 
     “nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[a]
    [a] –   “is within you”
    Jesus was talking not only to those disciples who would enter into the covenant with him, but this message was for the future, for the arrival of the Kingdom.  Because the anointed are part of the Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) under the New Covenant, New Jerusalem (Gal 4:26) – the Kingdom/dwelling of God is within their hearts. 
    KJV 1 Cor 3:16 –“ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    So, what do we see God’s holy people looking for, while in the Wt?  They are looking for literal signs of the birth of the Kingdom. But, Jesus is specifically saying the coming of the kingdom “is not something that can be observed”.  THEY, God’s saints, are the kingdom, as Jesus is, but they are falling for lies.  Only if they remove themselves from this trap of “empty philosophy”, will God’s spirit continue to dwell in their hearts.(Luke 21:20; Matt 24:3,24,25,4,5,9-11,13,21; Dan 12:1,4; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  
    They must wake up and submit fully to Jesus Christ, in repentance, (Mal 3:1-4) and get out from under the rule of a wicked slave and “uncircumcised” “Gentiles”.  (Isa 52:1; Dan 8:11,12,17; Matt 24:15,16,48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; 3:16;18:4-8; 1 Pet 2:6; Rev 3:17,18) 
    The battle of Armageddon takes place within each one of us, not on the playground of Satan. It involves our choice of either truth or lies. 
    (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
     (Isa 43:8,9; Dan 7:22; Matt 25:9,10; 1 Cor 11:18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 7:20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A8%2C9%3B+Dan+7%3A22%3B+Matt+25%3A9%2C10%3B+1+Cor+11%3A18%2C19%3B+Mal+3%3A18%3B+Matt+7%3A20&version=NIV
    So you see, people are saying, and have been saying for quite awhile, that the kingdom is within the hearts of the anointed priests of God.  Luke 17:21  
     
    https://pearl-sign.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Dmitar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    My bad. Though they are my words, they are meant as an extension of PSomH’s request to JWI. (Sort of an inside joke)
    He will beg him for advice,
    His reply will be concise,
    And he’ll listen very nicely then go off and do precisely what he wants. (which is to tell JWI he’s wrong)
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    Dmitar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    But JWs say that the Kingdom was set up in 1914. 
    Whereas Jesus was anointed as King at his baptism and in some ways made it known to the Pharisees whilst He was still alive saying 'The kingdom of God is amongst you'. 
    Jesus told his disciple (John 10 : 16)   Berean Study Bible
    "I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."
    And the 120 chosen ones, at  Pentecost 33 A.D, became part of that Kingdom at that time. 
    My point being that Spiritual Israel / the Kingdom, started with the baptism of Jesus and then the anointing of the 120 at Pentecost in 33 A.D. 
    So why do the Watchtower / JW org say the Kingdom started in 1914 ? 
    I'm trying to get people's personal feelings on this, but people (JWs) seem frightened to give an answer. 
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Space Merchant in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too. Not to mention that Firstfruits are the type of Christians who have no singular status, i.e. race, background, sex, etc. Liken to the early apostolic church formed that day, granted, Spiritual Israel and it's role in The Messianic Kingdom extended past Jews, thus the conversion of Samaritans, Gentiles, etc.
    Guess Simon of Cyrene didn't get the memo. They picked him out of the crowd, putting the spotlight on him and he had no practice.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    ... um ....  MY personal opinion is that Jesus' 100% human brother Brian got a bum rap after stepping out of his fishing boat, and trying to walk towards shore on the water.
    The day before he had been to a crucifixion rehearsal, and both his feet had holes.
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    Dmitar reacted to Arauna in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    This is a wrong translation. In Hebrew and Arabic " existence" is always implied in the verbs.  So the causative verb and hollow verb refers to him always existing before, currently existing and existing in future. Or proving who he is in future.
    No - he was not surprised, just bringing justice for the large numbers of of children murdered  in the name of false gods.
    Evolution can also mean - change to something which already exists.  We know that Babylon the great stands for all religions which were spawned from the renewed rebellion against Jehovah led by Nimrod and the institution of false religion in opposition to him. Babylon was the capital city of this rebellion being built in opposition to God and was the originator of many false doctrines in most religions i.e. immortality of the soul.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    When I speculate as I often doggedly do, on the real Nature of Jehovah, I look to Cosmology, the Science, to try and use facts at hand to "reverse engineer" what may or may not be true.
    I accept as incontrovertible evidence that the way this Universe started was with the "Big Bang", about 14 billion years ago, and that time and space are one thing.... not two things ... because all gravity is local, and all time is local. It has been proved, over and over again that the speed of time is also local, and fluctuates according to the local gravity intensity and local "material" velocity.
    It is also clear to me that linear time, with an "arrow of time", going from the present to the future started at the "Big Bang".  Conversely, we know absolutely NOTHING about Physics before the "Big Bang", and that it will be impossible for us to EVER know about that.
    .....but I suspect to the point of certainty that anything before that was a "Universe" of a completely different sort, with time running at a completely different rate ... of there being no linear time whatsoever ... effectively "Time Happens All At Once".  
    No beginning and No end.
    There is an interesting Scripture describing Jehovah as "From Everlasting to Everlasting", which to my mind exactly describes this BBB (before the big bang) environment and scenario..
    EVERYTHING in this Universe dies because of entropy ... and there are no exceptions. Even in very deep time unimaginable protons decay.
    BBB is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics for one simple reason.
    No "arrow of time".
    And that I submit for your welcome analysis and criticism is WHY Jehovah can never die.
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Knowing...or rather BELIEVING that Jehovah is the only True God, as a stipulated fact is quite reasonable, all things considered.
    But .... does not Jehovah God comment on his own "evolution" when his name is declared and it is understood, again based on "best evidence", to mean "I Am", or "I Will Become", or "I Will Prove To Be What I Shall Prove To Be" ?
    ...and the fact that people sacrificed their sons and daughters to the fires of Moloch truly surprised even Jehovah, and that he learned new things from that,
    If the word for all  that does not imply "evolution" ...... what is the correct word?
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    There is only ONE excuse for rebelling against your Sovereign.
    .....if you win!
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Actually the "knowing he is his creator" is actually not specifically stated in scripture - this is what the author suggests the possibility is...
    Yes @Anna the author is suggesting, as did the Sumerians, that all the gods evolved. This would include Jehovah. Not that the author believes this, but that the lie fostered was fostered by and believed by Satan (and that this could be the contribution to what any sane person would think was a foolish endeavor) was the heart of the rebellion.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    The author is clearly responding to new evidence that Satan worships Hillary Clinton.
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    Dmitar reacted to Anna in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    So then did Satan think Jehovah evolved also?
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    JHVH was surprised in several situations. In Eden, after Adam and Eve disappointed Him so much. After, Genesis said: And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. A person who knows what to expect from others would not be in such a difficult emotional state, so that like God, he begins to destroy everything he has created, nature, animals and people.
    WTJWorg try to explain all God's actions with "love". If he destroy wicked people that is because of love. If he not want to destroy wicked people that is because of love, again. If he allow injustice and suffer, that is because of love. If he destroy devil that is because because of love and because of "universal issue". Well, it seems how "universal issue" is also responsible for God's passivity in time before Eden and in Eden. Because, devil rebellion not started in Eden, for sure. 
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, nowhere in the universe is there life except on Earth and around a God surrounded by angels. Thus, life is concentrated, according to GB, in only two "locations". This very knowledge limits the very thesis of the "universal issue," and gives the possibility that God did not have such a great need to delay the punishment of transgressors of his law. After all, he punished Adam and Eve with death. What prevented him from treating the rebellious angels in the same way? A different law? A different attitude towards angels compared to people?
    Are angels just as intellectually limited as humans, so that God should have given them time to prove that the devil was wrong? They see God every day, so they don’t need faith like people do, to believe in an invisible God and what happened in history. People is expected to believe in events that happened before their lives or even in their life time.
     How to understand the absurd fact that God "implanted" in animals the "fear of man" (generally speaking), but no mosquito is afraid of any man, but persistently wants to drink his blood?
    Likewise, it is difficult to understand that there is a need for imperfect humans and perfect angels to contribute to the "universal issue", the answer to which has long been known to God. For, every human being does not have the ability to experientially observe the past to which he has not witnessed. And therefore he does not know who said and did what and why. So, he cannot give an answer for another, but only for himself. We cannot answer the question of whether God has the right to rule or not. We only give our "verbal" consent to the authority of one or the other. And that, too, is only of symbolic significance, because our consent to the opposite side will not cause God to cease to rule. Well, it is not democracy and the election of a new president for the next term. If all people agreed to be on the devil’s side, do you really think God would give up his position?
    And the question/issue of "love"? It is something that has nothing to do with the "universal issue".
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    W/regard to Jehovah's foreknowledge I've always thought of it this way:
    There's only so much stuff in the universe and only so many ways these can be configured over time factoring in the operation of free will. Before Jehovah created even Jesus as the Word he examined all the possible scenarios and that no matter which path was taken it would all end up being "very good" at the end.
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    I'm not sure that's true. There's a thomist who's essentially arguing exactly this - that God continuously sustains everything. The argument is that like you can't have an infinite regress in the physical realm w/universes (no matter how many) and you can't have an infinite regress at any given point in the here and now, so God's spirit is the sustaining point for all reality. You can think of it the same way you think about the universe - no infinite regress longitudinally , but in the here and now flipped it's also true vertically.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to xero in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    The book isn't pushing the "religions evolved" idea. It's pushing the idea that false religion has from the beginning fostered the idea of evolution because it's originator also believed the same (or at least wanted these to believe it).
    The demons, BTW aren't the same thing as the sons of god, at least not according to 2nd temple thought. It was thought that the demons were disembodied dead nephilim. I suppose not being fully human might have made it different for them as opposed to normal humans. Maybe they had phantom-body pain (like a vet who has phantom limb pain) and that was why they kept trying to get inside people or anything physical like pigs.
     
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    Dmitar reacted to Arauna in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Jehovah is working until now......... But he was resting from his creation.... so what was he working on?
    All physical matter is energy...... whose energy?  ... or where did it come from?  If you do not understand this then you do not understand basic science. While much of it is self-sustaining it depends upon Jehovah's energy to exist - to be there. 
    Immortality means that they receive their own source of life.  Nothing else is immortal - all depends upon jehovah to live.  The earth is a living entity with so many forms of life which are sustained by jehovah!
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Wrong again.
    The Physical Universe was designed to be self-sustaining.
    ...to run without a need for maintenance.
    All evidence points to this, in thousands of integrated facts usually described as Quantum Physics, and only agenda driven theologic fantasy suggests otherwise.
    It is theologic fantasy BECAUSE it contradicts all known facts that are real, with "facts" that are merely wishful religious fantasy, with no proof whatsoever.
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    Dmitar reacted to Arauna in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    It does not mean that he did not foresee the possibility.  The same with Jesus - he moved amongst harlots and sinners.  He often must have seen the possibility of doing wrong but he immediately shunned the ideas such as when Satan tempted him. 
    Being perfect does not mean we cannot see the possibility of something - but the perfect person is moved by choice and chooses correctly. and morally
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    You are wrong Arauna .... the Scripture clearly states that it never came into Jehovah's mind that they would do such a thing as sacrifice their own children, burning them to death.
    Be a sport ... look it up.
    Jehovah was surprised!
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    Dmitar reacted to Pudgy in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    I agree, as Jehovah is invulnerable, and cannot be harmed in any way.
    He is not even in this physical Universe.
    I think you misunderstood that I was advocating rebellion against Jehovah God.
    I was not.
    I was trying to describe what would be the ONLY excuse for rebellion, which of course would be impossible.
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    Dmitar reacted to Srecko Sostar in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”
    According to this report in Genesis, situation described speaks differently. After, in NT, we see other sort of feelings and emotions for human.
    Do not forget how female was created in the image of God. So yes, perhaps it is not far away from your observation that sometimes God (has right to) react as "overemotional female" and Genesis 6:6,7 is exactly what was happened . :))
    If He want to destroy fallen angels who materialized and their offspring of giants who made evil things, what was so difficult for Him to be selective in punishment? JW people have expectation how that will happen in Armageddon - selective destruction. And Noah Days are used as example of why and how God will act in Armageddon, but without water (flood). 
    Initial rebellion started with "snake" aka devil. Continue with First People. At what stage were the other angels while this was happening, there is no record of it. It is not until Noah's day that angels who longed for earthly pleasures are described. Their action does not say that they rebelled against God in the way that the devil did. Their motives were different. They did not say that God was lying, as the serpent said. They did not promise anyone that they would be like gods. They didn't say how people will not dye if act independently from God. Their rebellion had different reasons. 
    Perhaps what they saw happening in Eden and how satan goes unpunished for his insolence was an additional motive for them to indulge in illicit behavior as well. In fact, when the Bible says that evil multiplies because transgressors are not punished immediately, and that they therefore continue to do evil, then there is a great responsibility on God Himself who failed to punish the guilty who can be punished by none other than Him. For, it was not just about human hearts boiling to do evil, but about the hearts of angels. When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong - Eccl 8
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    Dmitar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Tinkering with the transistors that became the internet has been the source of much income for Al Gore and myself.
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