Amidstheroses

That's the problem. I don't believe you fully understand the wages of sin. Just because we're imperfect, doesn't give a Christian, pretend or not the excuse or make it a justification to continue to sin

I'm glad you posted this, James. That just means I don't have to prove anything to you as well. What you do have to do is, prove yourself to God. I hope you have a mental picture when you get judged. Tell God how you animatedly believe suicide is not a sin, just because you don't understand scripture. 
Keep on mentioning to the public your false assertions that they may follow such ideologies. Maybe someone will take you up on your offer, which will make it a Blood guilt for you. Either way, you lose.

You just finished expressing the same thing I did on my previous post about motive and circumstance. Glad it finally sunk in, that God will judge "any individual" for their conduct in this world, suicide included. Now, the question that should have been asked, were these two individuals at one point JW's? And if so, then they should have understood about "sin no more"  John 8:11, meant. A Christian cannot separate one from the other, even if a person is going through a mental breakdown. That person will still be judged by God, not by man, but by God as I expressed, earlier.
Then society would be no better if we succumb to what is indicated in 1 John 3:4. There's no such thing as a free pass, when it comes to the taking of a human life.
What is wrong and has been on the last post is, the assumption posters are having that suicide has no accountability. It does by God's judgment. No one said "anything" about human judgment, but Godly judgment.
So, our business is to let others know, suicide is a BIG thing in the eyes of God. Now, those that don't have a mental capacity, are usually cared for by others. If that individual commit suicide, outside the watch of others in his/her care, then the blood guilt falls on the caretaker. ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!

What is wrong with you tonight, Pudgy? So hateful! Get a grip 🙏

Most living creatures, including humans will do anything to stay alive. That is how Jehovah made us. No human in their right mind wants to kill themselves. That's a fact. Satan recognized this and tried to use this fact against Jehovah: But Satan answered Jehovah: “Skin for skin. A man will give everything that he has for his life" Job 2:4 
So when a person goes against his instinct and ends their own life, you know this is not normal. 
Dying a sacrificial death for the greater good is not suicide though. We are told we should be willing to lay down our life for our brother. . If I take a bullet by deliberatelly jumping between the shooter and my son, and I die, I did not commit suicide. I was trying to save my son. Jesus was saving mankind, Samson was saving the Israelites. 
Suicide is an act by one's own hand, usually not for anyone's benefit, it is not usually a heroic act. Some in fact say it's a selfish act. I would be afraid to judge it quite that way because honestly, the mental state can be so harrowing that the person probably just wants peace. He sees no other way out. There must be all kinds of reasons for taking ones life and we should be ashamed to dare to judge that person. It is entirely Jehovah's business. He knows the person inside out, he knows their heart. He knows there is something horribly wrong with a person's mental state if they go against their God given instinct of self preservation....apparently for nothing.

No sis, it was directed to @Pudgy that wants to force an unintelligent response. He is equating the death of Christ because Jesus was on earth to fulfill a prophecy by twisting scripture in suggesting Jesus committed suicide by allowing the Roman soldiers to take him captive, even though the first ones that took him captive were the Pharisees guards.
Then He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you, everything which has been written about Me in the Law of Moses and the [writings of the] Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.
 (Romans 10:16-21) 16 Nevertheless, they did not all obey the good news. For Isaiah says: “Jehovah, who has put faith in the thing heard from us?” 17 So faith follows the thing heard. In turn, what is heard is through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, “into all the earth their sound went out, and to the ends of the inhabited earth their message.” 19 But I ask, Israel did not fail to know, did they? First Moses says: “I will incite you to jealousy through that which is not a nation; I will incite you to violent anger through a foolish nation.” 20 But Isaiah becomes very bold and says: “I was found by those who were not seeking me; I became known to those who were not asking for me.” 21 But he says regarding Israel: “All day long I have spread out my hands toward a disobedient and obstinate people.”
(John 5:39-47) 39 “You are searching the Scriptures because you think that you will have everlasting life by means of them; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. 40 And yet you do not want to come to me so that you may have life. 41 I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I well know that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in the name of my Father, but you do not receive me. If someone else came in his own name, you would receive that one. 44 How can you believe, when you are accepting glory from one another and you are not seeking the glory that is from the only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you, Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46 In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe what I say?”

@Pudgy
Did you see my scriptural responses, Pudgy?
I was primarily trying to communicate with you - you kept wanting to consider Scriptures relevant to the deaths of Judge Samson and King Saul.

Then consider this example an ask yourself. How many sins did this person commit before considering suicide?
You and @Pudgy aren't seeing the full picture of what scripture relates.
*** wp16 No. 1 p. 8 Give Me Just One Year of Peace and Happiness ***
When I was 15 years old, my mother encouraged me to get out of the house and make some friends. So I began to leave home for longer and longer periods of time. Soon I fell into bad company. One day a man, who seemed friendly, approached me. He offered me drugs, which I took because I wanted to appear grown-up. I was quickly drawn into an underworld of drugs and immorality. On many occasions, I was violated sexually. Life became unimportant to me; I did not care if I lived or died. I was desperately lonely. At age 16, I attempted suicide by drinking a bottle of whiskey and jumping into a lake. I wound up in a coma for three days.
 

Could one argue that the pillars killed him?

Perhaps in some cases. Mentally illness or not. God will make that distinction. What we can't say, What will God do when judging a person. You and @Pudgy are animate to affirm, suicide is not a sin, when scripture says otherwise.

What is wrong with you tonight, Pudgy? So hateful! Get a grip 🙏

I think this type of mentality, should stay in the closed forum. The public doesn't need to see JW's, discredit the bible.

Then why argue about it. Why bring it up in the affirm if you are not willing to listen to scripture.

(John 18:9) 9 This was to fulfill what he had said: “Of those whom you have given me, I have not lost a single one.. . .
 
How long did you say you were a witness? 

Such arrogant and demeaning banter, Pudgy. I’m really surprised. I thought Allen Smith was doing an excellent job in representing the Scriptures accurately and some basic Christian ethics were being overlooked by his contenders.
From Young People Ask, Vol 2, p 307
What does baptism symbolize? Being immersed and raised up means that you have died to a self-seeking course and are now made alive to do Jehovah’s will.
Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only.  8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah (Romans 14:7, 😎
What does it mean to dedicate your life to Jehovah? It means to give up ownership of yourself, promising to put the doing of God’s will ahead of all else. It’s fitting that you make a formal dedication in prayer to Jehovah sometime before your baptism.
Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. (Matthew 16:24)
I will ask answer your questions Pudgy —
(I am going to Save this first because I just lost about 30 minutes of work on my iPad trying to answer it previously)

Such arrogant and demeaning banter, Pudgy. I’m really surprised. I thought Allen Smith was doing an excellent job in representing the Scriptures accurately and some basic Christian ethics were being overlooked by his contenders.
From Young People Ask, Vol 2, p 307
What does baptism symbolize? Being immersed and raised up means that you have died to a self-seeking course and are now made alive to do Jehovah’s will.
Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only.  8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah (Romans 14:7, 😎
What does it mean to dedicate your life to Jehovah? It means to give up ownership of yourself, promising to put the doing of God’s will ahead of all else. It’s fitting that you make a formal dedication in prayer to Jehovah sometime before your baptism.
Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. (Matthew 16:24)
I will ask answer your questions Pudgy —
(I am going to Save this first because I just lost about 30 minutes of work on my iPad trying to answer it previously)

Since the hairs on our head are numbered, he is infinitesimally aware of our aches and pains…
The Bible repeatedly prohibits murder and defiling of one’s body. As our loving life-giver, He has offered to support us through ANYTHING 💖
“For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power”  🙏 Philippians 4:13
He would be very hurt if we trashed our gift of life…💔
As would be the brotherhood and our friends to a lesser degree 💔
Our fleshly family 💔

I find it amazing someone can choke on false premises  as much as you do, and not strangle themselves.
 

The last post indicates, EVERYONE in this world has a get out of jail free card. Meaning, they will be forgiven and brought back in resurrection because they simply committed suicide. No consequence. Reminds me of the Catholic Church.

In your mind, God will bring back King Saul, Judas Iscariot, and anyone that committed suicide, that have murdered their own bodies that had ulterior motives for them taking that life?
What you are telling the public is, you need to see the word "suicide" in order for you NOT to challenge God's sovereignty by his creation. Isaiah 55:8
(Romans 12:1, 2) 12 Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason. 2 And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

This can be true, but some have ulterior motives. How can you separate motives from circumstance? I had a millionaire friend in California that committed suicide because he couldn't go back to being poor, a regular Joe. Can that be considered not of sound mind? To me, he had a specific motive.
Therefore, to say, "it's because they are not of sound mind" is a false assumption to any Christian.

OK …… Once again I challenge you to point out the Scriptures where God forbids a person from killing one’ own self, specifically, and to THAT specific point. 

Since we do have at least two specific examples, perhaps an exposition of SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES using the examples of 1.) Judge Sampson, and 2.) King Saul, both who committed Suicide …. Er …. Killed themselves. 

You could list them as:
1.) Judge Sampson = ___________________________
 
2.) King Saul = ___________________________
Or, you could continue to try and hypnotize with many words, which more often than not, unfortunately, does work.

Then, you need to certainly understand scripture, especially what Paul meant.
(Acts 16:25-31) 25 But about the middle of the night, Paul and Silas were praying and praising God with song, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly a great earthquake occurred, so that the foundations of the jail were shaken. Moreover, all the doors were instantly opened, and everyone’s bonds came loose. 27 When the jailer woke up and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, assuming that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul called out with a loud voice: “Do not hurt yourself, for we are all here!” 29 So he asked for lights and rushed in, and seized with trembling, he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 He brought them outside and said: “Sirs, what must I do to get saved?” 31 They said: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will get saved, you and your household.. . .
 
You do remember Apostle Paul, don't you, James?
So, in Exodus 20:13, you must not murder, killing yourself (Suicide) is for all intent purposes murder.
Sin is a faring reaching condition. 
(James 4:1-3) 4 What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you? 2 You desire, and yet you do not have. You go on murdering and coveting, and yet you are not able to obtain. You go on fighting and waging war. You do not have because of your not asking. 3 When you do ask, you do not receive because you are asking for a wrong purpose, so that you may spend it on your fleshly desire. . .
 
 

Since the hairs on our head are numbered, he is infinitesimally aware of our aches and pains…
The Bible repeatedly prohibits murder and defiling of one’s body. As our loving life-giver, He has offered to support us through ANYTHING 💖
“For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power”  🙏 Philippians 4:13
He would be very hurt if we trashed our gift of life…💔
As would be the brotherhood and our friends to a lesser degree 💔
Our fleshly family 💔

When it comes to the killing of another, justified or not by man's law, it doesn't guarantee God will NOT judge that individual that took that life. Life, regardless, is not ours to take. What did Jesus tell Peter in John 18:11?
If a brother at a kingdom Hall happened to be carrying a gun when a gunman came in and opened fire on the members, that brother shoots the suspect. Depending on each State's or Countries laws, he might be acquitted of all wrong doing, by man's law. God's law is different. He will be judged for taking that life regardless. God will look at the purity of the circumstance. Could something else been done to prevent further shooting, like those church members did in California? To God, it is a long way before it becomes justifiable. Humans are dealing with a creator, not another human being.
Therefore, the logic in this is, don't think like an imperfect human being.
Now, posters question suicide. There are at least two people here that don't understand scripture, in spite of their long-standing at their church. These two individuals need to understand:
(1 Corinthians 6:15-20) . . .members of the Christ away and join them to a prostitute? By no means! 16 Do you not know that anyone who is joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For “the two,” says he, “will be one flesh.” 17 But whoever is joined to the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality! Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but whoever practices sexual immorality is sinning against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? Also, you do not belong to yourselves, 20 for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in your body.
Human beings don't have a RIGHT to do what they wish with their bodies. Taking their life, harms the body in God's eyes. So, YES!!!! The Bible does say something about suicide without using the WORD suicide.