8 minutes ago, boyle said:

11 minutes ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

sweetie, that wasn't my grammar you corrected...who was it who published the NWT gray Bible? 

Who posted this without checking first? Get off that high horse, sweetie! 😅

You seem to be adopting the same tone as Anna, JWI, TTH, and James from the exclusive club. 

I didn't mean to offend you. I apologize if I did offend you.🙂

2 minutes ago, boyle said:

Your biblical interpretation on this matter is flawed, along with your perception. 

Does this mean you would allow a convicted pedophile that hasn't reformed into your home? Don't say yes! I'd know you'd be lying.

If a serial killer killed your child, would you love that person? What kind of affection are you referring to?

Do you think little red riding hood thought the wolf was good after she found out his true intent? 

What is the moral of the parable? If you find someone on the road willing to repent, invite that person? Or do you have a different theory? What does your bible say?

Where does the unrepentant fit in this scheme of yours?

@boyle not all people who get disfellowshipped are those things. To just lump them all together isn't righteous. Jesus said to be cautious as serpents and innocent as doves, so of course we have to be careful and protect ourselves and our families. But when a committee of men in the congregation has a secret meeting and then publicly condemns a person as worthy of death without providing that evidence to others, in what way is that carrying out what is righteous? In ancient times, justice was carried out in the city gate where everyone would know the details. The secret elder meetings are not Jehovah's way, and they lead to oppression, misappropriation of justice, reproach on Jehovah's name and suffering for the flock of God.

Just now, Pudgy said:

You know, that I made the non-sequiter throwaway joke about boyle hating Dilbert, but thinking about it a little more, I would guess that he REALLY REALLY  hates Dilbert!

Get Fuzzy, Non Sequiter, Dilbert...I guess you could ask him?

1 hour ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

"(When) slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the (off scouring) of all things, until now." 

Good, try applying the same principle when you slander. There, I corrected your grammar mistakes, happy! 😏

@boyle, sweetie, that wasn't my grammar you corrected...who was it who published the NWT gray Bible? 

25 minutes ago, boyle said:

32 minutes ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

That's why they get disfellowshipped sometimes. Because they apostatize from the GB.

Really! Here I thought it was because their sinful ways don't conform to proper Christian ethics. Can you submit an insert of your bible stipulating where the wicked should be embraced in Christ's church without repentance?

"Now because he knew before the festival of the Passover that his hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father, Jesus, having loved his own who were in the world, loved them to the end.  The evening meal was going on, and the Devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Is·carʹi·ot, the son of Simon, to betray him.  So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands and that he came from God and was going to God,  got up from the evening meal and laid aside his outer garments. And taking a towel, he wrapped it around his waist.  After that he put water into a basin and started to wash the feet of the disciples and to dry them off with the towel that was wrapped around him."

(John 13:1-5)

Jesus knew Judas was about to betray him. Jesus loved Judas, even though Judas was wicked. When Jesus washed Judas' feet, it wasn't just to fulfill a prophecy. It was because Jesus truly loved Judas.

"When, now, he had washed their feet and had put his outer garments on, he again reclined at the table and said to them: “Do you understand what I have done to you?  You address me as ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are correct, for I am such.  Therefore, if I, the Lord and Teacher, washed your feet, you also should wash the feet of one another.  For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do.  Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.  If you know these things, happy you are if you do them."

(John 13:12-17)

Jesus told his faithful disciples to imitate him in showing this kind of love. The apostles understood later what this meant, to show love even for the wicked. It wasn't until after all the apostles died that the disfellowshipping doctrine snuck into the congregations, a leftover from the Pharisees when they used to divide people in caste-like ways and have fancy committees to lord it over others. That was not the way Jesus set up the congregation originally. "You men are all brothers."

11 minutes ago, boyle said:

Can you submit an insert of your bible stipulating where the wicked should be embraced in Christ's church without repentance?

"If your enemy is hungry, feed him."

Where do you feed a person? In your house.

"You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you,  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.  For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing?  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?  You must accordingly be perfect [or complete], as your heavenly Father is perfect."

It is not a sin to show affection for people, even for wicked people.

"That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous  and will cast them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."

That there would be wicked people hiding in the congregation up until Jesus comes is implied in that verse.

"Therefore, go to the roads leading out of the city, and invite anyone you find to the marriage feast.’  Accordingly, those slaves went out to the roads and gathered all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those dining."

This illustration about the kingdom shows both wicked and good filled the number invited in the arrangement. This was an illustration about the kingdom, the body of Christ's church.

(Romans 12:20; Matthew 5:43-48; Matthew 13:49,50; Matthew 22:9,10)

10 minutes ago, boyle said:

Those who become apostates and are disfellowshipped are not willing to embrace proper teachings. 

Those whom the GB labels apostates and disfellowships are often times not willing to embrace what the GB deems proper teachings.

That's why they get disfellowshipped sometimes. Because they apostatize from the GB.

(Some people, like me, don't apostatize from the GB until after they get disfellowshipped for something else, like telling the truth in another way.)

9 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

1 hour ago, boyle said:

JWI doesn't understand along with that pimple dog, what makes you think you do?

I highly recommend delving into the insights of a PhD expert on this topic. I don't think you will understand, but it never hurts to try.

Those are “beauty marks” like Miss Kitty had on “Gunsmoke”.

Just kidding …. they are cartoon whiskers.

Haha, should've been a cowboy...

4 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I delved into the insights of this article. At least, I read it and found it very easy to understand. But didn't see why you recommended it. Did you think it was supportive of the so-called "overlapping generation" theory, or non-supportive. And in either case, was there something specific in that article you wanted to highlight?  If so, where?

Here's the 2005 edition, for reference pps:244-246:

 

Makes you wonder if the overlapping generations people skipped reading these parts of the Bible!...

"Just as I encouraged you to stay in Ephʹe·sus when I was about to go to Mac·e·doʹni·a, so I do now, in order for you to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine,  nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.  Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy.  By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk.  They want to be teachers of law, but they do not understand either the things they are saying or the things they insist on so strongly.  Now we know that the Law is fine if one applies it properly..."

(1 Timothy 1:3-8)

"But have nothing to do with foolish arguments and genealogies and disputes and fights over the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile.  As for a man who promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition,  knowing that such a man has deviated from the way and is sinning and is self-condemned."

(Titus 3:9-11)

12 minutes ago, boyle said:

Good, try applying the same principle when you slander. There, I corrected your grammar mistakes, happy! 😏

Yes, I am. 🥰 Thank you.

A rich man may have a banquet of well-oiled dishes to share, but he only invites his "friends" over...

A man of little means has only bitter greens to share but he offers them to anyone needy he meets coming down the road.

Which one is really following the course of hospitality?

(Luke 14:7-14)

May Jehovah bless you, @boyle, for sharing what you have.

(Hebrews 13:1,2)

1 minute ago, boyle said:

When people think, they bring something perfect like you people, I would say, I have to use the Halon's razor principle once again. You should go back to school.

When you actually make a spelling mistake, like you always do, I'll let you know. 😏

I know I make mistakes all the time, and I welcome your correction. I was teasing you, @boyle, as you well know. 😝

1 minute ago, boyle said:

The only garbage is what you post.

"when slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things, until now." 

(1 Corinthians 4:13)

I know how to spell L-O-V-E, but for some people that's a four letter word they don't use.

1 minute ago, boyle said:

I would think intelligent people would call it a complement when a lowlife plumber and a low educated apostate make fun of them. 😅

Did you mean "compliment" or "complement"? I think you spelled it wrong.

44 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

in the more joyful, peaceful, kinder part  of the forum

I'll have to take your word for it, @JW Insider. You can't really feel "all the love" from the Closed JW Club through the Closed Door...

"You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.  People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house.  Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens."

(Matthew 5:14-16)

"to the hungry, even what is bitter tastes sweet"

(Proverbs 27:7)

4 minutes ago, boyle said:

PhD

4 minutes ago, boyle said:

garbage filler.

2 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Phd = Piled Higher and Deeper.

😆

If anyone could prove that the heavenly resurrection already occurred, then I would more likely believe all that other garbage too. Well, okay, maybe not even then, but...

"Window test"...the heavenly resurrection hasn't happened yet. Jesus wasn't enthroned in 1914. The GB is not inspired and they don't represent Jehovah. And the disfellowshipping doctrine is not from God.

21 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

3 hours ago, Pudgy said:

famous for being the suspected dry-erase board mastermind of the “overlapping generations” chart.

Just a teaser here. I found what might be the earliest version of early Christians (or perhaps early apostates?) coming up with their version of the "overlapping generations" theory in the late first century CE or early second century. I'll try to include it when I get some time to respond to a poster's fig tree parable discussion in the more joyful, peaceful, kinder part  of the forum. Seems like too many topics in this part of the forum quickly boil over with festering fruits of the flesh.

These scriptures here look like the precursors of the apostate "overlapping generation" doctrine...

"So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”  He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction."

(Acts 1:6,7)

"While they were listening to these things, he told another illustration, because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the Kingdom of God was going to appear instantly."

(Luke 19:11)

"But we were hoping that this man was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred."

(Luke 24:21)

"or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here"

(2 Thessalonians 2:2)

"empty speeches that violate what is holy, for they will lead to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene. Hy·me·naeʹus and Phi·leʹtus are among them.  These men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred, and they are subverting the faith of some."

(2 Timothy 2:16-18)

The FDS says the resurrection in heaven supposedly occurred already, after Jesus was supposedly enthroned invisibly in 1914, and that anointed ones who have died since that time supposedly all go right up to a heavenly resurrection. Such is the apostate theology that goes along with the overlapping generations doctrine.

13 minutes ago, boyle said:

LOL! 😁 You, fakers, are so predicable. How would Audrey know about the parrot? You, fraudsters, are obtuse.

Keep deceiving the public. 😅

I've heard the expression "birds of a feather flock together" and I know you've called me an apostate, @boyle. Isn't @Vic Vomidog an "apostate", too? I think I read that in a book once that he is...

I must say, having read some of Vic Vomidog (or is it Vomodog?)'s old posts, I definitely do not agree with him on many of the stands he takes. Just goes to show it is unwise for people to listen to any "committee" that lumps a bunch of very different people together and labels them all "apostate" or "disfellowshippable" or "unclean" or "untouchable" or "amhaarats" or something like that and assumes they are all the same thing - "enemies of God" "spiritual lepers" "contagious diseased resisters" - and therefore unworthy of love and Christian fellowship.

I read about some scribes and Pharisees who did that once in Bible times. Pity about what happened to those scribes and Pharisees. They missed out on a lot of interesting friendships that way. Oh, well. Jehovah can make up for it later if they repent, I suppose.

"Shunning - it's what we do." I think I heard that spoken by a CO in a Kevin McFree episode once. "That could be this guy's catchphrase."

Better to have the catchphrase: "Love, it's what we do."💖

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Phineas T. Bluster …. Who now with no one to pull his strings, is packed in a dust encased theatrical trunk in a forgotten studio warehouse somewhere ….….. or is he?

I know you've seen the Muppet Show. Some scenes are all muppets. In other scenes, a guest human interacts with the muppets. They have conversations. They express different emotions toward each other - irritation, frustration, affection. They sing and dance together. Do you think the guest human knows those muppets aren't real?

(I know the muppets aren't real.)

Hey, has anyone recently asked that nice parrot, @Vic Vomidog, his opinion on the Norway situation? I've been wondering what's become of him in recent months?

11 hours ago, boyle said:

loyal servants of Jehovah have to follow the bible instructions even though they feel pain in their hearts.

The Bible instructs us to show love.

"...love, earnestly endeavoring to maintain the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace."💖

"In which direction does the light reside? 

And where is the place of darkness, 

That you should take it to its territory 

And understand the paths to its home?  

Do you know this because you were already born 

And the number of your years is great?"

"He has made everything beautiful in its time. 

He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish."

"Then I considered all the work of the true God, and I realized that mankind cannot comprehend what happens under the sun. 

No matter how hard men try, they cannot comprehend it. 

Even if they claim that they are wise enough to know, they cannot really comprehend it."

(Job 38:19-21; Ecclesiastes 3:11; Ecclesiastes 8:17)

Good night, @boyle - I hope you have sweet dreams when you go to sleep, my brother. ☺️

"The Prayer" with Josh Groban & Andrea Bocelli...

and an extra "Prayer" with Andrea and Celine Dion...😁

1 hour ago, boyle said:

In turn, Jehovah rewards his loyal servants by keeping them from Satan's harm and influence. 

Sometimes He does allow us to suffer harm, but it's not permanent harm. Pain is only temporary. It might feel like forever while we're in it, but pain always comes to an end eventually. Suffering is only temporary. The dead can be resurrected. The sick can be healed. Night always comes to an end. There will be a time ahead where everyone has joy and peace. We have to keep doing our best to live every day and endure and encourage others.

Sometimes we just have to keep enduring a difficult situation for a little while longer. Job endured. He was loyal. He suffered, not because of Jehovah, but because of Jehovah's enemy. Job thought it was God causing it, but it wasn't. It's the same today.

So many of those suffering blame Jehovah. Jehovah understands. He knows. Just because someone blames Jehovah for the pain doesn't mean that person is unfaithful. Job blamed Jehovah too. But he didn't curse Jehovah.

A lot of these ones who have been disfellowshipped, you can read what they have to say in other forums, they are in so much pain. People have wild talk when they are in pain. Jehovah knows the difference between wild talk and evil talk. When someone is in pain, it's understandable when they talk negative. 

The ones who pretend to be righteous and yet crush the little ones, those are the ones Jehovah is going to hold to account with this principle: "the one to whom much is given, much is expected". What is happening in Norway is just the beginning. At the appointed time, many of those viewed as ulcerous and lowly (like Lazarus in the illustration) and those viewed as high and "ultra-holy" (like the Pharisee in the illustration) will trade places. Then a lot of the pain of the jaded ones will be eased.

To the man behind the @boyle character - you already know all of these things. How many years have you endured? How much time have you spent encouraging others, doing little things for others that nobody else knows about except Jehovah? How much energy have you put into doing what you viewed as righteous, with the goal of contributing to the betterment of humankind? Jehovah sees all of these things. He is aware of and proud of all the positive motives and actions he sees in each one of us. He is not far away from each of us. I know He has a reward for me even though I am low and despised - how much more so He has a reward for you! And also for every other beautiful soul who has striven to do what was good and upright in their life. None of us are perfect, but Jehovah isn't looking for perfect people. He just wants His kids. He just wants all His kids to be there, just like any Good Dad would.

This disfellowshipping business will be stopped. The family will be healed. Any who want to hurt others will eventually be asleep. Praise Jehovah.

25 minutes ago, boyle said:

Jehovah is with me Audrey 24/7

 

Proverbs 27:11 New International Version

 

¹¹ Be wise, my son, and bring joy to my heart; then I can answer anyone who treats me with contempt.

No one can ever take this from me.😏

Amen!🥰