John 12.24to28

I think it's funny how the platypus has proven to be a "monkey wrench" for all the taxonomy "scientists" - they can't really figure out where in the "tree/bush" the creature goes! (That's because there isn't really an evolutionary "tree/bush" but they haven't figured that out yet.)

Jehovah is an engineer. He doesn't have to follow a man-made flowchart. 

I have an "official" degree in make-believe, lol! I can tell you all the fakeness about evolution you want to know, lol! It's just as fake as the FDS title. None of the evolutionary scientists agree on anything really, is what I learned. There are so many different theories and not any real evidence to support them. It's a "publish or perish" environment in college where if you invent a new topic then you're able to write a new thesis paper or get something in the anthropology convention bookroom for sale. Professors can have their students buy whatever books they write, so there is a financial advantage for evolutionary "scientists" to make up new theories. Book sales. 

I wish I had spent my time reading more practical magazines like MAD magazine. My dad was an electrical engineer at Varian and other companies. Engineering is a practical field. My mom was an English major. It's useful to know how to write well. My whole life everybody said "go to college" so I did. I went to school for anthropology and ended up reading many books and articles on the theory of evolution. (Evolution is all make-believe, just like the 1914 doctrine.) Oh, well. At least I know how to tell good stories about mythological monkey-creatures.

10 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

worrying

What, me worry?

23 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I think I’m more important question is how did the Platypusses (Platypi ?) of Eastern Australia make the transition from live births to laying eggs?

I mean …. Uh…. If it took two thousand years to switch over ….. how did the special survive?

Where did you hear it took 2,000 years? I don't know any human who's lived that long on earth who could have kept track.

Hmm...

"In the beginning God created"

The Watchtower publication said "Why will the political governments not be able to dissolve the "faithful and discreet slave" and its governing body? Likewise, the national and state governments under the leadership of the modern-day Gog of Magog cannot disincorporate the "faithful and discreet slave" whom the reigning King Jesus Christ has found reliable and has appointed "over all his belongings" on the earth...They cannot do so, for this corporate "slave" was never incorporated under the laws of any political government of the world."

That brazen antichrist statement of "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" will be proven false when the governments of the United Nations remove "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" with Jehovah's permission at the beginning of the attack on Babylon the Great.

Then everyone will know that "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" was not faithful or discreet. "She" is like a Jezebel misusing authority and is an aspect of that disgusting prostitute, Babylon, and she's been riding the beast for long enough. Jehovah's had it with that harlot; the beast is going to eat up her way of doing things and Jehovah's going to allow her way of life to be destroyed. (May such individuals repent before that hour comes!) When Jehovah says "Get out of her my people!" He is talking about Babylonish practices that have infiltrated all religious institutions, including Jehovah's Witnesses. Having an exalted clergy class is Babylonish. Jehovah's organization will be cleansed of all spiritual prostitution. Praise Jehovah.

21 hours ago, boyle said:

22 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

The way to cling to Jehovah is Not by Worshipping Humans.

Can you give evidence aside from opinions here where any member of the Org worships the GB? Please! Be specific with your answer.

"Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages ·

wor·ship

noun: worship

1. the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity."the worship of God"
   
   Similar: reverence  revering  worshipping  veneration  venerating  adoration  adoring
   devotion  praise  thanksgiving  praising  praying to  glorification  glorifying  glory
   exaltation  exalting  extolment  extolling  homage  respect  honor  honoring  esteem
   dulia  latria  laudation  magnification
   • the acts or rites that make up a formal expression of reverence for a deity; a religious ceremony or ceremonies."the church was opened for public worship"
     
     Similar: service  church service  religious rite  religious act  prayer  prayer meeting
     praise  devotion  religious observance  matins  morning prayer  vespers  evening prayer
     evensong
   • adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle."our society’s worship of teenagers"
     
     Similar:  admiration  adulation  idolization  deification  lionization  hero-worship
   • ARCHAIC
     honor given to someone in recognition of their merit.
   • BRITISH
     used in addressing or referring to an important or high-ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor.noun: His Worship; noun: Your Worship; plural noun: Worships
     "we were soon joined by His Worship the Mayor"
2. verb: worship; 3rd person present: worships; past tense: worshipped; past participle: worshipped; gerund or present participle: worshipping; past tense: worshiped; past participle: worshiped; gerund or present participle: worshiping  - show reverence and adoration for (a deity); honor with religious rites"

18 hours ago, boyle said:

18 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

if I stopped going to all so-called "apostate sites" then I would have to stop going to the jw.org website too. 

As a disfellowshipped person, that's your right to entangle yourself with false prophets.

I appreciate that you acknowledge there are some false prophets who publish things on the jw.org website. I agree with your statement on that. 

Visiting so-called "apostate sites" is a lot like going to the grocery store. You can get milk and bananas and a loaf of bread without buying a lotto ticket or a pack of cigarettes. You can go to jw.org and listen to a nice Bible-based song or watch a good drama on Daniel or read an article on faith without believing the 1914 false doctrine or the false "Faithful and Discreet Slave" thing or the other false teachings.

Jesus said there would be weeds and wheat in the congregation. He is coming to remove the weeds. (The weeds haven't been removed yet - that's not until after Jesus takes the throne.) In the meantime, we are wise to do our best to show respect for the wheat-like aspects of the congregation arrangement without getting tripped up on the weeds. Everybody's situation is different. Some people endure being PIMO. Others get their "privilege" of attending the Kingdom Hall "revoked". How refreshing it will be when Jesus comes and takes all the rotten fruit out of the congregations!

In the meantime, Jesus helps us navigate by means of what is written in Jehovah's Word.

"May mercy and peace and love be increased to you. 

"Beloved ones, although I was making every effort to write you about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write you to urge you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.  

"My reason is that certain men have slipped in among you who were long ago appointed to this judgment by the Scriptures; they are ungodly men who turn the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for brazen conduct and who prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ. 

"Although you are fully aware of all of this, I want to remind you that Jehovah, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those not showing faith.  And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.  In the same manner, Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire....

"Despite this, these men too are indulging in dreams, defiling the flesh, despising authority, and speaking abusively of glorious ones. But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.”  But these men are speaking abusively about all the things they really do not understand. And in all the things that they do understand by instinct like unreasoning animals, they go on corrupting themselves...

"As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, following their own desires for ungodly things.”  These are the ones who cause divisions, animalistic men, not having spirituality.  

"But you, beloved ones, build yourselves up on your most holy faith, and pray with holy spirit, in order to keep yourselves in God’s love, while you await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view.  Also, continue showing mercy to some who have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh.

"Now to the one who is able to guard you from stumbling and to make you stand unblemished in the sight of his glory with great joy, to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.

The "ex jw's" may go to the Capitol, but in the end it will be Jehovah who executes judgment on the animalistic men in the organization who have turned the undeserved kindness of God into an excuse for brazen conduct, men who by means of their false doctrines and God-dishonoring lies have spoken abusively of the truly glorious ones Jehovah and Jesus. Hopefully some of those animalistic ones hiding in the organization repent before that day comes. "Repent! The Kingdom of the Heavens is Drawing Near!"

Praise Jehovah, the God of Justice.💖

2 hours ago, boyle said:

This is true. That's why former Jehovah's witnesses and some present Jehovah's witnesses can't be trusted to tell the truth. They rather subvert the information by manipulating it.

There you go again, @boyle, throwing in an honest statement! "This is true." Thank you for being forthright about your situation. Yes, I can see how you can't be trusted to tell the truth - and, yes, I can see that you rather subvert the information by manipulating it. Amen!

Enjoy your afternoon, sweetie!😄😘💖

55 minutes ago, boyle said:

make every attempt to subvert the truth as though they hold it. They don't, and it doesn't matter if they accept it or not.

To quote the Golden Age of February 2, 1921: 

"Or course these "lying spirits", as the Scriptures call them, cannot be trusted; and yet even a liar will sometimes tell the truth, so that he may have the greater influence when he does lie."

Lol! 😆 (Radium!) We should radiate the truth.

"The Lord is letting in the truth on all subjects at just the appropriate time."

"Let the light shine!"

Hope you have a sunshiney-day, @boyle! Jehovah lets the sun shine on the wicked and the good! Enjoy the wheat part of your Watchtower publications while you got 'em...the weeds are going to be smoked. I don't believe in using "weed" - I'll be glad when all the weeds are gone - only the wheat will remain. 

"The green grass dries up, 

The blossom withers, 

Because the breath of Jehovah blows upon it.  

Surely the people are but green grass. 

The green grass dries up, 

The blossom withers, 

But the word of our God endures forever."

Jesus is revealing all the fakers in the organization (and all the false doctrines) by the sword of his mouth, to clear the reproach from Jehovah's holy name. All the weeds will be thrown into the figurative oven. Praise Jehovah!

38 minutes ago, boyle said:

The truth is the truth when it's told properly.

Lol! 😆

"Then the Pharisees went and conspired together in order to trap him in his speech."

"No weapon formed against you will have any success, 

And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment.  

This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, 

And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah."

"If you afflict him at all, so that he cries out to me, I will unfailingly hear his outcry; and my anger will blaze"

"For their Defender is strong; 

He will take up their cause against you."

"For without cause they have hidden a net to trap me; 

Without cause they have dug a pit for me.  

May disaster come upon him by surprise; 

May the net that he hid catch him; 

May he fall into it and be destroyed.  

But I will rejoice in Jehovah; 

I will be joyful in his acts of salvation"

😄Praise Jehovah!💞

3 hours ago, Pudgy said:

…..

Let's sing it!!! 🎶It's a trap!....You're gonna be sorry that you messed with this Mon Calamari!🎶😆

Wow, @boyle you are turning into a real gentleman!!! Yes, I know your comments went against my content and understanding, so it is very gracious of you to be apologizing! And thank you for wishing me a good night. I knew you had a good heart in there somewhere! I am so proud of you, my brother 🥰 "Love hopes all things..." See, we really can be "Jehovah's United Family", brothers and sisters united in peace and love. 🫶🌍🌈💝 "Jehovah Causes to Become" Praise Jehovah! 💖

That's probably the first completely honest thing I've ever seen you post, @boyle! Congratulations! You are right, all of your above context has been manipulated by the lack of knowledge. I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought it up now, I want to thank you for being so sincere and humble and acknowledging your mistakes!

I'm going to get some rest now. I hope you have a good night's rest too! 😄

2 hours ago, boyle said:

She did not abandon Jehovah; her greed did. 

Maria was not the greedy one.

From "Some Facts and More Facts About the Self-Styled "Pastor" Charles T. Russell"

pg 4

"In 1879, he married Miss Marie F. Ackley, who divorced him a few years ago on the ground of cruelty and of having wrong relations with other women. In court, she proved improprieties between her husband and one Rose Ball."

pg. 16

"According to the law of the State of Pennsylvania, a few years ago, she divorced her husband, obtaining alimony, which he did not pay, but his friends made payment to save him; he fought the case for five years, appealing it twice. On the third trial not only did he lose, but the alimony was increased and all the costs levied upon him. All who know Mrs. Russell, speak in the highest terms of her."

pg. 20

"We now come to Russell's domestic life. It was such as to make life intolerable to his wife, and to justify her in leaving him and afterwards suing for a limited divorce, which one court granted and a higher one, on appeal, confirmed, and at the same time most severely censuring "Pastor" Russell for his conduct, which the court described as "insulting," "domineering" and "overbearing" to a degree which made life intolerable to a sensitive Christian woman."

pgs. 22-23

"The divorce was given, and the alimony granted to Mrs. Russell. Russell had a considerable property in his own name. He tried to practise fraud upon his wife by transferring his property to corporations and societies over which he himself had absolute and complete control. Referring to this fact, the court said, "The purpose of this whole transaction was to deprive his wife of her dower interest and was a fraud upon her." Mrs. Russell was compelled to petition the court to compel her husband to pay alimony, and an attachment was ordered."

pg. 24

"When Russell saw that he had failed in this he attempted another course of fraud. He sought to evade payment fixed by the court by fleeing from one state to another, making it necessary for his wife to get an extradition order, which she did, and which led to the condemnation of the cunning "Pastor" by a third court, and the increase of the alimony. Commenting on Russell's defense and conduct on this occasion, Judge Delady said: "There is not one syllable in the testimony to justify his repeated aspersions on her character and her mental condition, nor does he intimate in any way that there was any difference between them other than that she did not agree with him in his views of life and methods of conducting their business.""

pgs. 24-25

"It came out in the evidence first that his "conceit," "egotism" and "domination" were such as to make life intolerable to any sensitive woman. Second, that his conduct in relation to other women was "improper." Third, that on one occasion that he was silent to his wife for four weeks, and only communicated with her by letters of a reproachful character. Fourth, that he sought by most despicable means to isolate his wife from society, and designed to get her pronounced insane in order to put her away."

2 hours ago, boyle said:

There's a big difference when you don't understand the watchtower history.

The 1972 Watchtower, Questions From Readers said: "Is it proper for a married woman to leave her husband if they cannot get along well? Why did the wife of the first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, C. T. Russell, leave him? —U.S.A."

Russell said, as quoted in the Watchtower: "when she desired to come back I totally refused..."

Watchtower said of Russell: "But Scripturally he could not abandon his position as head to bring about a reconciliation."

That is a lie. Scripturally, Jesus said only adultery merited divorce. Maria did not commit adultery. Maria got away from Russell for a little while because he tortured her. When she gained enough strength, she sought to obey God by going back to and staying with her husband, even though Russell was a tyrant and twisted scripture and acted improperly with other women. Russell didn't want her around because she loved truth and knew it was wrong what Russell was doing. Russell is a liar and so is Watchtower.

Watchtower history has repeated itself. The legal department is still defending abusers and cutting off the victims. Jehovah is so angry with them. When the UN attacks religion, they will be first. All the little abused sheep will be gathered together and they will rejoice because they will know Jehovah is Their Shepherd, and He heard all their cries the whole time. Jehovah knows each of those little ones, even those ones who go to that Capitol event. It doesn't matter if the government does or doesn't listen. Jehovah listens. When He acts, He will fix all of it.

"Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted."

from The Watchtower, 1972, 6/15, page 384

"...and when she desired to come back I totally refused, except upon a promise that she should make reasonable acknowledgement of the wrong course she had been pursuing for a year, and give some assurance of being a friend and not an enemy."

Russell wanted Maria to lie. He wanted her to lie. He wouldn't let her come home unless she lied and said "oh, Charles didn't do anything wrong!" Her conscience wouldn't let her lie. She loved Jehovah. 

So Russell banished her. He slandered her. Cut her off. It's the same thing that happens today. It's what happened in my congregation too. It happens in a lot of congregations. They will only reinstate someone who will lie and bow down to the elders. I can't get reinstated unless I lie and say "oh, the elders didn't allow adultery, drunkenness, spiritism, abuse, etc...oh, it was so wrong of me to tell the other congregation members in harmony with Jesus' command to go to the congregation...oh, it was wrong to warn my brothers and sisters so they could protect themselves...oh, it was bad to obey Jehovah and keep integrity!" Fat chance of that! I worship Jehovah, not the elders. That's why these guys want to keep the disfellowshipping doctrine the way they do. It's not to keep the congregation clean. It's to protect their interests. It's for their own sovereignty. Their sovereignty is about to come to an end. They are supposed to be serving as brothers, not kings. 

Jehovah will get 'em. Lol. He always does in the end.

Remember when Absalom got caught by his hair in the tree? He used to love that hair of his. Remember when Haman got stuck on the pole? He built it for Mordecai. Remember when Korah got zapped? He didn't see it coming. The current FDS/GB doesn't see it coming either. Yikes. 

There are good elders who act like Mordecai and Moses and David. And there are bad elders who act like Absalom and Haman and Korah. When faithful witnesses tell on the bad ones, they are working in harmony with Christ, and they will get their reward. "Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work."

19 minutes ago, boyle said:

 not proven, regardless if it's accepted or not by people that are not educated in man's law.

How about God's Law?

"So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart."

Here is what Russell said: 

"...and when she desired to come back I totally refused..."

Here is what the Watchtower said:

"But Scripturally he could not abandon his position as head to bring about a reconciliation."

The Watchtower and Russell clearly broke God's Law.

It's a pattern they have. Jehovah knows. Jehovah used them to get a work done, but Jehovah doesn't approve of their brazen disregard for God's Law, and they will reap what they sow. Everyone will know, just like we all know about Solomon's shenanigans. Jehovah used Solomon to do a work, but when Solomon chose to disregard Jehovah's standards, Jehovah made it known. It's not a sin to tell the truth. Jehovah tells the truth. His witnesses must tell the truth too. It's not "reproaching Jehovah's name" to tell the truth. It's reproaching Jehovah's name to conceal the truth. 

16 minutes ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

How about this evidence from the Watchtower...Russell condemns himself with his own words, and the Watchtower publishers join him in his slander of his wife and disobedience to the Lord as regards the words of Matthew 18 and proper behavior for a Christian husband.

There's your "two witnesses" I guess...Russell himself and the Watchtower.

It's the same thing they do today when anybody says anything against an elder that they don't want to get rid of or even a non-elder who they don't want to "disfellowship" for adultery or abuse. It's the same thing that happened in my congregation. It's the same exact thing. Say the woman is crazy. Say "we can't help you". Shun her. Say she's being ambitious, a "Jezebel", reviling, causing divisions. It's the same thing, it hasn't changed.

That's why those people are going to the Capitol. It's in harmony with what Jesus said about bearing witness regarding the wrong. It's right in Matthew chapter 18 and other scriptures. Go tell the congregation. Go tell the authorities sitting in the city gate.

I understand it. I'm not going to the Capitol. I'm not in a situation where I can go. But I totally understand it. Jehovah can use it if He chooses to, to shed light on what goes on. He will expose everything. The US/UK will act to move the UN to destroy all false religion. The weeds in the organization will be removed, Thank God. Jehovah is the God of Justice. He will see that all the little ones get justice. Praise Jehovah.

1 hour ago, boyle said:

rather than accept nonsense from apostate sites

@boyle, if I stopped going to all so-called "apostate sites" then I would have to stop going to the jw.org website too. 

Speaking of the jw.org website, here is some information on Maria and Charles right from the wol.jw.org website...

How about this evidence from the Watchtower...Russell condemns himself with his own words, and the Watchtower publishers join him in his slander of his wife and disobedience to the Lord as regards the words of Matthew 18 and proper behavior for a Christian husband.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1972449#h=1:0-16:193

He states:

(1) When Maria followed what is written in Matthew 18:15, the brothers did not obey Jesus by supporting her in trying to speak with her husband.

(2) Maria then obeyed the next direction of the Lord from Matthew 18:17, to tell the congregation. When she told the congregation, rather than fess up, Russell said there weren't two witnesses. (Sound familiar?)

(3) Russell proceeded to slander Maria with the very thing he was guilty of. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Maria did not abandon Jehovah. She continued to study with those she could study with, doing her best to gather with other true Christians, even though Russell made it extremely hard for her. Rather than being "ambitious", she was probably trying to adhere to a more accurate understanding of scripture and knew her husband was promoting false doctrine in the pages of the Watchtower.

Jehovah will set the matter straight in time. He always does.

1 minute ago, boyle said:

It's best you read the court case

1 hour ago, boyle said:

I wonder what Jesus would have done if you, constantly criticized the apostles, slandered them and made false allegations against them. Do you think he would have accepted you as a faithful follower?

Jesus called the wicked scribes and Pharisees "serpents" "hypocrites" and "sons of their father, the Devil".

I will follow my Lord. Faithfully.

If an elder or a member of the governing body acts like one of the wicked scribes and Pharisees, I have no qualms about calling them a serpent, or a hypocrite, or a son of their father the Devil. I don't hate those men on the governing body. I love them and I hope they repent. But I'm not going to sugar-coat the wicked things they are allowing and teaching.

I know Jesus is proud of me for that. He's the one pouring out the holy spirit to give us (anyone who tells the truth) the courage to do it, that he and his Father may get the praise and glory.

51 minutes ago, boyle said:

Was it proven?

(Start on page 28.) https://commons.ptsem.edu/id/somefactsmorefac00ross

(I cannot vouch for the truth of what is written because I was not there - I am presenting this information for the sake of the topic at hand.)

"Iron" - Member States and Non-Member States

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/non-member-states

"Clay" - Organizations (Civil Society Organizations CSOs) Formally Associated with the United Nations Department of Global Communications, "part of a large family of organizations that support the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, committed to advancing the 2030 Agenda", etc...

https://www.un.org/en/file/180334/download?token=31I_X4_C

Daniel chapter 2, the toes of the dream image, taken in harmony with the other chapters of Daniel and Revelation, shows the Iron and Clay to be the United Nations.

@boyle, in response to your remarks - 

God's Word is True.

Jehovah is the Only True God.

I wish all would cling to Jehovah and Live.

The way to cling to Jehovah is Not by Worshipping Humans.

The way to cling to Jehovah is to Worship Jehovah.

Worship means Love, Adore, Cling to, Wait Upon, Trust, Follow, Obey, be Loyal to, put First, etc. 

His Word Always Comes True.

The Only Person worthy of such worship is Jehovah. Praise Jehovah.