John 12.24to28

Many years ago my ex-wife, a truly fine theocratic sister, swelled up with righteous indignation and while objecting that I was watching the Muppet TV show, she exclaimed in a loud voice “well that’s just, just IMMORAL… the very IDEA!. A frog dating a pig! It’s .. its … UNNATURAL!”.
I was so stunned by that I was speechless.
The next day, at the office, I was explaining that to another engineer, and he said “Wait a minute … they are BOTH Muppets!”
…. I wish I had said that.

Muppets are the BEST people, even though boyle may insist that a frog and a pig dating are an abomination, and should be thrown out of the theatrical trunk.

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I think @Pudgy was the one who posted the picture of the "LSD" book, but he wasn't being abusive, it was just an old picture book.
 
And the songs I posted aren't "acid" rock. They are more "classic" rock or "modern" rock, I think.
 
 
That's because the 1914 teaching isn't logical. It evolved from twisted reasoning. That's why it doesn't make sense.
 
 
The GB has been abusing the flock of God by means of their incorrect myths and numbers being promulgated. They took a basic Bible truth, namely, the coming of the Kingdom, and they "evolved" that truth into a lie. Jehovah is sending Jesus to clear away those lies.
 
Jehovah's witnesses bear witness to the truth. 
 
I am one of Jehovah's witnesses, by means of God's undeserved kindness and mercy. Everything written in God's Word will come true. Praise Jehovah.

"True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but it is painful; yet afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."
 
Love is not a lie, but sometimes it does hurt.
 
(I love you, @Arauna et al...even if your affections are restricted for me. ❤️ "Love is patient" and "love hopes all things"...I know you will wake up eventually, and my love will still be here for you. Jehovah is our Father - we are to be one United Family, united in Love for Him and each other. See you when you wake up, my sister...)
 
 

Disfellowshipping at its best. (Or should I say worst?) 
 
This is a very good song from the organization:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/music-songs/become-jehovahs-friend-children-original-songs/love-is-the-key/
 
Love Is the Key, children song from jw.org
 
"Jehovah God shows us love so we must show love too.
When we imitate His gentle way we show love that is true.
 
God's love is kind
It's always true.
It never brags. 
It's patient too.
When we show love, we prove that we can be like our God above.
Yes, love is the key.
 
When Jesus walked upon the earth he helped all men to see that showing love is what God wants.
In all things, it's the key.
 
God's love is kind.
It's always true.
It never brags.
It's patient too.
When we show love, we prove that we can be like our God above.
Yes, love is the key.
 
Love is the key."
 
See if you can find where in the song the disfellowshipping doctrine would fit.
 
Maybe when Jesus disfellowshipped the Samaritan woman? 
Or perhaps when Jesus disfellowshipped the little kids?
Or when he taught about disfellowshipping beat up people on the side of the road?
Maybe even when he taught that he was like a hen that didn't want to gather the disfellowshipped little chicks?
Some sparrows, he said, were not remembered before God - the disfellowshipped ones.
 
(Oh, wait! I've got it all wrong! That's what the "Jezebel" teaches - spiritually adulterated "truths" from God's Word.)
 
Here is what Jesus is about - Love. God is Love, and Jesus came to show us what the love looks like.
 
"Let your light shine, that all in the house may see it and praise your Father in the heavens."
 
(Satan is the god of Disfellowshipping. You don't want to do an act of worship to him.)
 
"You must love your brother as yourself, for whoever does not love his brother, who he has seen, cannot love God, who he has not seen."
 
Praise Jehovah, the God of Love.💖

Haha, that one "We Found Mother"...makes me think of something else that has "evolved" in the organization...calling the organization "mother".
 
The Bible says Jerusalem above is our mother, not an earthly group of imperfect people. We here on earth are all "brothers". It's the angels in heaven who are collectively viewed as our "mother", because they minister to us like a mother without expecting praise or adulation or special honors.
 
"...the angels...Are they not all spirits for holy service, sent out to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?"
 
A real mother is willing to die for her children, not cut them off, like this disfellowshipping business.
 
"Finally the king said: “This one says, ‘This is my son, the living one, and your son is the dead one!’ and that one says, ‘No, your son is the dead one, and my son is the living one!’”  The king said: “Bring me a sword.” So they brought a sword to the king.  The king then said: “Cut the living child in two, and give half to one woman and half to the other.”  At once the woman whose son was the living one pleaded with the king, for her compassions were stirred toward her son. She said: “Please, my lord! You should give her the living child! By no means put him to death!” But the other woman was saying: “He will be neither mine nor yours! Let them cut him in two!”  At that the king answered: “Give the living child to the first woman! By no means put him to death, for she is his mother.”
 
This talk of the earthly organization being a "mother" has evolved into a false doctrine and it is not a pretty thing, just like that picture on the book. Even though the word "mother" is not used as often today about the earthly part of the organization, the unholy exaltation of men lording it over others like benefactors remains.
 
 

The current false doctrine that Jesus invisibly took the throne in 1914 evolved from Miller and others and Russell to what the WTBTS currently teaches. 
 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009819/total-us-military-fatalities-in-american-wars-1775-present/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/

Here's what I think about the the FDS title and the false worship of the GB GoverningBody...this is what it reminds me of...
 
 

Jesus gave the illustration about the faithful and discreet slave as an illustration for all Christians about keeping on the watch. In context, he said "keep on the watch!" and then he gave a bunch of illustrations about keeping on the watch. The illustration about the faithful and discreet slave is just one in a set of illustrations for all Christians about keeping on the watch.
 
The Watchtower "evolved" that illustration. Evolution is a false teaching, just as the evolution of the "FDS" title is a false teaching. 

If the headquarters of the organization was a woman, she wouldn't be called "mother". She'd be called "Jezebel".
 
When this song comes on the radio, my kids and I sing it really loud for fun because it makes us think of "Jezebel and her children" aka FDS+those taking the lead everywhere who want to be called "mother" but really commit spiritual prostitution by adulterating God's clean teachings and evolving them into something antichrist and most unholy...
 
 
You Give Love a Bad Name, song by Bon Jovi
 
"Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
Darlin', you give love a bad name
An angel's smile is what you sell
You promise me Heaven, then put me through hell
Chains of love got a hold on me
When passion's a prison, you can't break free
Oh, you're a loaded gun, yeah
Oh, there's nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
You give love a bad name (bad name)
I play my part and you play your game
You give love a bad name (bad name)
Hey, you give love, a bad name
Paint your smile on your lips
Blood red nails on your fingertips
A school boy's dream, you act so shy
Your very first kiss was your first kiss goodbye
Whoa, you're a loaded gun
Whoa, there's nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
You give love a bad name (bad name)
I play my part and you play your game
You give love a bad name (bad name)
You give love, oh
Oh, shot through the heart
And you're to blame
You give love a bad name
I play my part and you play your game
You give love a bad name (bad name)
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
You give love a bad name (bad name)
I play my part and you play your game
You give love a bad name (bad name)
You give love
You give love (bad name)
You give love
You give love (bad name)
You give love
You give love (bad name)
You give love
You give love"
 
"Jeʹhu took his bow in hand and shot Je·hoʹram between the shoulders, and the arrow came out at his heart, and he collapsed in his war chariot."
 
When Jesus receives the Kingdom in heaven, he is not going to wait long to get rid of that harlot.
 
The Kingdom of the heavens is near. Jesus is going to take care of the Jezebel problem as soon as he receives the kingdom, when he will figuratively "kill" Jezebel and her children by means of the sword of his mouth, removing them from their place. There won't be any more "evolving" of Bible teachings. Her disgusting fornications will be gone. Praise Jehovah.
 
"‘Nevertheless, I do hold this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezʹe·bel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols.  And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her sexual immorality.  Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.  And I will kill her children with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am the one who searches the innermost thoughts and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.""
 
"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder: “Come!” And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest."
 
"“The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’”
"“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” 
 
"May the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus be with the holy ones."💖

Just like the song! Have you seen that video? I think you will understand the words.
 
Sweet sleeping brothers and sisters...
 
How pleasant to see that despite that fact that "you said
we've got nothing in common" (because of disfellowshipping)
"no common ground to start from" 
"and we're falling apart..."(our relationship from the moment of the false disfellowshipping decree, "so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses")
and "now you see right through me..."(and all the labeled shunned ones)
 
What about hatred for evolution?
 
"I said: Well, that's one thing we've got."
 
 
Jesus will heal the family. We will all eat together again someday in peace with the Lord.
 
What did Jesus say? "And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”" And again he said, "But I say to you: I will by no means drink again any of this product of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in the Kingdom of my Father.”
 
"Love is patient." I hope you at least all have sweet dreams until you wake up in love.
 
The disfellowshipping doctrine has evolved from what is written in the Bible to what is currently practiced in the organization and has become twisted into a disgusting antichrist false teaching. Jehovah hates it. How beautiful it will be to see that ugly prejudice removed someday soon. Praise Our Father Jehovah, who is healing the family.💖

Just read up about the Cambrian explosion and you will not believe in evolution.  This cambrian "explosion" is never talked about by evolutionists  because all animals suddenly appeared in one layer / strata of the earth.......the animals were not partially formed in any previous layers but suddenly appeared  ....fully formed.
There are so many flaws in the logical thinking of evolution. One example is the development of Male and Female genders over millions of years..... while still proliferating?????  Different genuses often have different looking organs...... and all the different sex organs just magically by chance  know how to develop to compliment each other  and fit perfectly.  There was definitely some pre-knowledge and accounting in nature......(intelligence) involved....because half the chromosomes are with the Male and half with the female.... in mammals. Nature can obviously count. Lol. 
Then the matter of DNA - which is an operating system - comprising of DNA -  4 letters-  and a new language which was developed which gives instructions. When computers came out (e.g.windows), they took some time to develop the computer language with 2 letters....working to straighten out all the problems. ... then they  systematically put each sentence of the operating system in sequence with "instructions".  If the instructions had one mistake the system crashed.  So:  Nature  developed an entire intricate language randomly by chance and then logically step by step developed and put in sequence the intricate and logical instructions in this fully developed language... for instance  to develop a baby. 
This is like winning the lottery for millions of years one second after another - one would have to come to the conclusion that there is as outside source manipulating the lottery. ... 
There are so many logical flaws in evolution that those who are blinded by it have never thought it through. 
Another flaw:  the eye needs the brain to interpret what it sees.  Who "coordinated" the simultaneous growth of the two ifferent organs over millions of years in such a focussed way so that the two organs  would both have all the right parts and messages to work with each other so perfectly?
The same can be said for many other organs which work together- this is proof if intelligent design..... not random chance over millions if years..... who did the "thinking" for nature....random selection is the jackpot. 
If millions of years went by with a "nutricious soup" floating around - was there never ever a storm to disturb the "goldilocks conditions"?  How did the right chemicals stay together without a membrane?  The membrane of a cell itself is  intricate....keeping so many functional parts within its pocket and only letting select items through. How did this suddenly appear?  And how did nature know to divide the acidic and alkaline parts of the cell. How did it "know" to develop the transportation system,  and factories within the cell... the two kinds of DNA? 
These are just a few questions one can ask someone who believes in evolution. 
"Peer review" at universities is such a farce. A group of professors review  works for publication. Friends approve each others papers and cut out anyone who disagrees with their theories.
One does not need a degree or smartness to understand these things.  That is why the bible says we must walk in humbleness / modesty with jehovah. He gives insight to the humble.
Regarding the dating of things in the field of geology, anthropology, archeology, evolution etc.  This is also a farce as it is all manipulated.  But that is another subject on it's own.  

I think it's funny how the platypus has proven to be a "monkey wrench" for all the taxonomy "scientists" - they can't really figure out where in the "tree/bush" the creature goes! (That's because there isn't really an evolutionary "tree/bush" but they haven't figured that out yet.)
Jehovah is an engineer. He doesn't have to follow a man-made flowchart. 
 
 

Engineer types take early learning courses in Anthropology … I still have some of my second grade books …..

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As far as dating techniques go, I learned from my field work and lab experiences that if you get a radioactive date that doesn't fit your theory, you might not put that information in your report. Also, if you want to get government funding from the state, you have to have an attractive presentation. One way to have an attractive presentation is for the professors to select attractive young college students to bring along for the after-hours party with the government officials. That way only the most important projects get funding. (Did I say "most important"? I meant, the most popular with the grant-bestowing officials.) And when working for an official anthropological firm like Panamerican Consultants Inc or Archaeological Consultants Inc, just cut-and-paste the predetermined, accepted baloney about the "ice age" to the beginning of every report, because that is what is currently considered popular. Nobody at the firms really care if it's true, as long as it goes along with popular culture. Because that's what the people are paying for. They just want to get their archaeological survey done to satisfy the government requirements so they can build their Walmart or cell tower or new swimming pool near the old reservation or whatever.
 
 

I have an "official" degree in make-believe, lol! I can tell you all the fakeness about evolution you want to know, lol! It's just as fake as the FDS title. None of the evolutionary scientists agree on anything really, is what I learned. There are so many different theories and not any real evidence to support them. It's a "publish or perish" environment in college where if you invent a new topic then you're able to write a new thesis paper or get something in the anthropology convention bookroom for sale. Professors can have their students buy whatever books they write, so there is a financial advantage for evolutionary "scientists" to make up new theories. Book sales. 

I wish I had spent my time reading more practical magazines like MAD magazine. My dad was an electrical engineer at Varian and other companies. Engineering is a practical field. My mom was an English major. It's useful to know how to write well. My whole life everybody said "go to college" so I did. I went to school for anthropology and ended up reading many books and articles on the theory of evolution. (Evolution is all make-believe, just like the 1914 doctrine.) Oh, well. At least I know how to tell good stories about mythological monkey-creatures.

I have every issue of MAD from Issue No. 1 to somewhere around 2006. A lot of Engineers had lifetime subscriptions during the 1970’s.
Alfred E. Neuman was named “Marvin” in the first several issues.

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Maria was not the greedy one.
 
From "Some Facts and More Facts About the Self-Styled "Pastor" Charles T. Russell"
 
pg 4
 
"In 1879, he married Miss Marie F. Ackley, who divorced him a few years ago on the ground of cruelty and of having wrong relations with other women. In court, she proved improprieties between her husband and one Rose Ball."
 
pg. 16
 
"According to the law of the State of Pennsylvania, a few years ago, she divorced her husband, obtaining alimony, which he did not pay, but his friends made payment to save him; he fought the case for five years, appealing it twice. On the third trial not only did he lose, but the alimony was increased and all the costs levied upon him. All who know Mrs. Russell, speak in the highest terms of her."
 
pg. 20
 
"We now come to Russell's domestic life. It was such as to make life intolerable to his wife, and to justify her in leaving him and afterwards suing for a limited divorce, which one court granted and a higher one, on appeal, confirmed, and at the same time most severely censuring "Pastor" Russell for his conduct, which the court described as "insulting," "domineering" and "overbearing" to a degree which made life intolerable to a sensitive Christian woman."
 
pgs. 22-23
 
"The divorce was given, and the alimony granted to Mrs. Russell. Russell had a considerable property in his own name. He tried to practise fraud upon his wife by transferring his property to corporations and societies over which he himself had absolute and complete control. Referring to this fact, the court said, "The purpose of this whole transaction was to deprive his wife of her dower interest and was a fraud upon her." Mrs. Russell was compelled to petition the court to compel her husband to pay alimony, and an attachment was ordered."
 
pg. 24
 
"When Russell saw that he had failed in this he attempted another course of fraud. He sought to evade payment fixed by the court by fleeing from one state to another, making it necessary for his wife to get an extradition order, which she did, and which led to the condemnation of the cunning "Pastor" by a third court, and the increase of the alimony. Commenting on Russell's defense and conduct on this occasion, Judge Delady said: "There is not one syllable in the testimony to justify his repeated aspersions on her character and her mental condition, nor does he intimate in any way that there was any difference between them other than that she did not agree with him in his views of life and methods of conducting their business.""
 
pgs. 24-25
 
"It came out in the evidence first that his "conceit," "egotism" and "domination" were such as to make life intolerable to any sensitive woman. Second, that his conduct in relation to other women was "improper." Third, that on one occasion that he was silent to his wife for four weeks, and only communicated with her by letters of a reproachful character. Fourth, that he sought by most despicable means to isolate his wife from society, and designed to get her pronounced insane in order to put her away."
 
 
The 1972 Watchtower, Questions From Readers said: "Is it proper for a married woman to leave her husband if they cannot get along well? Why did the wife of the first president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, C. T. Russell, leave him? —U.S.A."
 
Russell said, as quoted in the Watchtower: "when she desired to come back I totally refused..."
 
Watchtower said of Russell: "But Scripturally he could not abandon his position as head to bring about a reconciliation."
 
That is a lie. Scripturally, Jesus said only adultery merited divorce. Maria did not commit adultery. Maria got away from Russell for a little while because he tortured her. When she gained enough strength, she sought to obey God by going back to and staying with her husband, even though Russell was a tyrant and twisted scripture and acted improperly with other women. Russell didn't want her around because she loved truth and knew it was wrong what Russell was doing. Russell is a liar and so is Watchtower.
 
Watchtower history has repeated itself. The legal department is still defending abusers and cutting off the victims. Jehovah is so angry with them. When the UN attacks religion, they will be first. All the little abused sheep will be gathered together and they will rejoice because they will know Jehovah is Their Shepherd, and He heard all their cries the whole time. Jehovah knows each of those little ones, even those ones who go to that Capitol event. It doesn't matter if the government does or doesn't listen. Jehovah listens. When He acts, He will fix all of it.
 
"Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted."

Oh, I dunno…. I read all 56 pages of the above brochure, and every word rings true to me.
If anyone has a SPECIFIC OBJECTION to anything stated therein, I would entertain   their proved and specifically articulated conflicting opinion.
Guesses and unprovable counter opinions I will ignore.