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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    "The word of Jehovah again came to me in the ninth year, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, saying:  
     
    “Son of man, record this date, this very day. The king of Babylon has begun his attack against Jerusalem on this very day.  And relate a proverb concerning the rebellious house, and say concerning them: “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Put the cooking pot on; put it on the fire and pour water into it. Put pieces of meat into it, every good piece, The thigh and the shoulder; fill it with the choicest bones.  Take the choicest sheep of the flock, and stack the logs all around under the pot. Boil the pieces, and cook the bones inside it.”’ 
     
    “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Woe to the city of bloodshed, the rusty cooking pot, whose rust has not been removed! Empty it piece by piece; do not cast lots for them. For its blood is within it; she poured it out on the bare rock. She did not pour it out on the earth, to cover it over with dust. To stir up rage for executing vengeance, I have put her blood on the shining, bare rock So that it may not be covered over.’  
     
    “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Woe to the city of bloodshed! I will pile the wood high. Heap on the logs and kindle the fire, Boil the flesh thoroughly, pour out the broth, and let the bones be charred.  Set the empty pot on the coals to make it hot So that its copper will become red hot.  Its uncleanness will melt away within it, and its rust will be consumed. It is frustrating and exhausting, For the heavy rust will not come off.  Throw it into the fire with its rust!’
     
    “‘Your uncleanness was due to your obscene conduct. I tried to cleanse you, but you would not become clean from your uncleanness. You will not become clean until my rage against you subsides.  I myself, Jehovah, have spoken. It will come to pass. I will act without holding back, without sorrow, without regret. They will judge you according to your ways and your dealings,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”
     
    As surely as Jehovah allowed the nations to attack His Name People in the past (for what reason? For their uncleanness) so Jehovah will allow it again soon. A faithful remnant will be left, and Jehovah will refine His people, His organization. You will have to know that He is Jehovah and that His People have gravely sinned with their worship of the governing body. Jehovah will forgive, because of His great mercy and undeserved kindness, but the false worship must be removed from His organization first.
     
    It is similar to the time John said: "The ax is already lying at the root of the trees. Every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire...the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to take off. That one will baptize you with holy spirit and with fire.  His winnowing shovel is in his hand, and he will clean up his threshing floor completely and will gather his wheat into the storehouse, but the chaff he will burn up with fire that cannot be put out."
     
    Repent, please, brothers! The Kingdom of the Heavens is Drawing Near.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    "Now in the way that Janʹnes and Jamʹbres opposed Moses, so these also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith. Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their folly will be very plain to all, as it was with those two men."
     
    False prophets are always shown up to be false in time. The folly of the governing body and their false prophesying as regards the 1914-thing and other related prophecies will be as plain as day.
     
    "But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders  and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.  That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie,  in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."
     
    Daniel chapters 7 and 8 and 12 allude to the UN and what happens during the 3 1/2 year appointed times of the nations. Revelation chapters 11-19 also allude to the UN. Most of the things those verses alluded to did not take place yet. But they will soon. (We already talked about those things in other threads.)
     
    Paul foretold that "wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled."
     
    We can see through the imposters by means of Jehovah's light, His Word the Bible.
     
    "You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from whom you learned them and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."
     
    Those keeping neutrality will suffer as a Christian, (many who keep their integrity to Jehovah have already been rejected by the governing body and others who support false doctrines) but we do not need to be afraid, because we are not alone. Jehovah is with us, and Jesus, and the angels, and our faithful brothers earthwide. 
     
    "But if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but let him keep on glorifying God while bearing this name.  For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?  “And if the righteous man is being saved with difficulty, what will happen to the ungodly man and the sinner?”  So, then, let those who are suffering in harmony with the will of God keep on entrusting themselves to a faithful Creator while they are doing good."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    The One who taught us all things, the one "from whom we learned them" is God. Jehovah God. 
     
    Our commission is NOT to be "Governing Body's Witnesses". It is to be Jehovah's witnesses. Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    Yes, when the governing body choose to act as kings now, if they refuse to repent, then they are fulfilling the words of the apostle Paul:
     
    "For there are many—I used to mention them often but now I mention them also with weeping—who are walking as enemies of the torture stake of the Christ.  Their end is destruction, and their god is their belly, and their glory is really their shame, and they have their minds on earthly things."
     
    Paul talked about such men..."For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.  It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works."
     
     
    We must keep our neutrality by not bowing down to kings of this world, even those who would set themselves up as kings in God's organization while on earth. When the governing body distort the gospel of Christ and teach a "gospel" contrary to what Jesus taught and tell the friends to disobey God's clear commands, we must not desert what Jesus said. We must pick up our torture stake and keep following Jesus. "We must obey God as ruler rather than men." 
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    Too bad for the current governing body members. Hopefully they repent of adding to the prophecy in Revelation. (When they talk of "new scrolls" they are adding what is not in the "book", as well as their misinterpretations of many other verses in Revelation...)
     
     
    And as regards this business...
     
     
    You will have to know that the Kingdom did not take power in 1914 when the governing body is dethroned by the UN. When Jesus is given the Kingdom, he will throw Satan out of heaven, who will then rile up the UN to attack religious institutions, beginning with Jehovah's Witnesses at Bethel headquarters. The "1914" numerology-pyramid-prophecy-dating-scheme is a lie and it has been promoted by false prophets. You will have to know they are false prophets when they are removed by the UN shortly.
     
     
    What is translated as "times of the Gentiles" in Luke 21:24 is also translated as "times of the nations", and is the same as the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation, the appointed times of the nations to trample God's organization. During that time very soon to begin, we must all keep our neutrality by continuing to look to God's Kingdom to solve all mankind's woes rather than looking to the UN. It will be difficult for many of God's people when the organization is attacked first, because the governing body has not warned the sheep. Keep faith! Jesus told you ahead of time what is to come so that in that hour you will remember and not be afraid. 
     
     
    Jehovah is allowing the UN to be used as the instrument to discipline His Name People. God's organization on earth will be refined for the sake of Jehovah's Holy Name.
     
    "Certainly, then, will not God cause justice to be done for his chosen ones who cry out to him day and night, while he is patient toward them?  I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith on the earth?”
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    "And this is what love means, that we go on walking according to his commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should go on walking in it.  For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward.  Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son.  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.  For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
     
    When the governing body says that the ransom blood of the Christ is not enough to redeem the brothers unless the elder body approves, the governing body is pushing ahead and not remaining in the teaching of the Christ. They are against Christ. When the governing body says that only a committee of elders can decide whether someone is worthy of life and to be spoken to and acknowledged as a living human being, the governing body is pushing ahead and not remaining in the teaching of the Christ. They are deceiving. 
     
    How does the Bible advise we deal with such deceivers?
    (You are the one who said it, @EsADmf...)
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    Correct, @EsADmf, the governing body should not try to to use their own interpretations on prophecy, like they do with the 1914 false teaching. As you yourself quoted:
    It is to their own destruction that they twist the scriptures.
     
    "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.  Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.  Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping."
     
    Since Jehovah made us aware ahead of time that there would be the "lawless ones" and false prophets foretold in the organization, those who make themselves gods sitting in the House of God, those of the apostasy foretold, those who are against Christ in their teachings, antichrist, we would be wise to maintain our neutrality by rejecting any of their false doctrines and doing as Peter wrote in 2 Peter 1:
     
    "For this very reason, put forth all earnest effort to supply to your faith virtue, to your virtue knowledge, to your knowledge self-control, to your self-control endurance, to your endurance godly devotion, to your godly devotion brotherly affection, to your brotherly affection love. For if these things exist in you and overflow, they will prevent you from being either inactive or unfruitful regarding the accurate knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
     
    Jesus will shortly remove those lawless ones. Second Peter 3 verses 17 and 18 go on to say:
     
    "You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advance knowledge, be on your guard so that you may not be led astray with them by the error of the lawless people and fall from your own steadfastness.  No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    Jesus has not yet come to clean the congregations. Here is what he says to those in the congregations who are not neutral, who do things the same way as the ruler of this world:
     
    "I hold this against you, that you have left the love you had at first. Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first. If you do not, I will come to you, and I will remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent."
     
    When Jesus comes, he will remove from the congregation those who do not show love.
     
    "I have a few things against you, that you have there those adhering to the teaching of Baʹlaam, who taught Baʹlak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.  In the same way, you also have those adhering to the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·laʹus.  So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth."
     
    When Jesus comes, he will remove those who serve for their own gain and glory, and he will remove those who teach false doctrines that lead the sheep to take in blood fractions and support God-dishonoring numerology-based explanations of prophecy.
     
    "Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her [Jezebel] into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.  And I will kill her children with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am the one who searches the innermost thoughts and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds."
     
    When Jesus comes, he will remove those who imitate the ways of spiritual adulterers, those who practice and teach false doctrines that dishonor God, and those who misuse their authority in the congregation to disfellowship faithful ones.
     
    "‘I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead. Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God. Therefore, continue mindful of how you have received and how you heard, and go on keeping it, and repent. Certainly unless you wake up, I will come as a thief, and you will not know at all at what hour I will come upon you."
     
    When Jesus comes, he will shock most of the congregation because they are asleep and thinking it's the nations that will be saying "peace and security" when in truth the Bible shows it's in the congregation the lawless ones are saying "peace and security" right before Jesus permits the lawless ones to be removed.
     
    Everything we have is from Jehovah, not the governing body. The Bible is from Jehovah. The holy spirit is from Jehovah. We have received from Jehovah. We must be loyal to Jehovah and His Word. 
     
    "Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations."
     
    Safeguard your heart. Safeguard practical wisdom and thinking ability. Do not blindly follow the blind. Follow Jesus, not the governing body. Please, God's Word Always Comes True. The governing body is in bed with the world. They have compromised their integrity to God as regards explaining prophecy and upholding the command to abstain from blood and the command to love, and they would tell you it's acceptable to compromise too. They are wrong! Keep your integrity. Remain neutral as regards the sins of the governing body. Let them do what they want, but don't join them in their spiritual adultery. Jesus is coming to clean the congregations.
     
    "The essence of Jehovah's word is truth." Let God's Word (not other publications) guide you in all you do.
     
    "Your word is truth."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    "They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed."
     
    Jesus said people would hate us when we cling to his name and what he represents. "Jehovah is Salvation" not the governing body. 
     
    "...you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.  Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.  Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;  and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.  But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.  And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
     
    God's Kingdom will replace the governing body's kingdom.
     
    Many do not want to obey Jesus because, as it is written, "they would not acknowledge him because of the Pharisees, so that they would not be expelled from the synagogue;  for they loved the glory of men even more than the glory of God."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from Joan Kennedy in Neutrality   
    Regarding his disciples, Jesus said to Jehovah in prayer: 
     
    "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.  They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.  Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world."
     
    Later, Jesus was talking to Pilate. Pilate asked if Jesus was a king.
     
    "Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source."
     
    The men who handed Jesus over were members of his own religion. Why did they hate Jesus so much? For one thing, those men had their own little "kingdom" or government setup within the religion. Jesus told the truth about the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees and their little kingdom setup, fleecing the flock, adding their own laws and traditions to God's Law. 
     
    Today, there are some who are like the scribes and Pharisees in God's organization. They add their own laws to God's Law. They don't like it when Jesus' friends expose the hypocrisy in the organization, even though Jesus is the one who is directing this exposure. 
     
    Jesus said: "Let your light shine" and "preach it from the housetops" and "we must worship with spirit and truth" and "if the light in you is darkness, how great that darkness is" and "they strain out the gnat and gulp down the camel" and "beware the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy".
     
    Jesus said he would come and expose the hypocrisy of the lawless ones with the sword of his mouth. He also said he would give us the words to say when bearing witness. In this way, Jesus gets the glory, and his glory is glory for Jehovah.
     
    "These things I command you, that you love one another.  If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.  If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you."
     
    Being "neutral" as to the affairs of the world doesn't just mean being neutral to the political governments of the state and the local municipalities. It also means being neutral in the affairs of the governing authorities in the congregation who have also set up their own little kingdoms in opposition to God and Christ.
     
    The current governing body has been permitted to operate. We must respect the fact that they have authority to buy and sell properties and make rules regarding the properties they own and the videos and music and publications they produce. They have the right to organize meetings the way they want to. They will be held accountable for what they do. As far as respect goes, we do not interfere with their manmade traditions, just like we don't interfere with people doing a flag salute. But we also don't take part in practices that God hates. We won't believe or teach others doctrines that aren't true. We must obey God as ruler rather than men when those men teach doctrines that are in opposition to God.
     
    The Kingly Law of the Christ is to Love. The first century governing body said "Abstain from blood." Jesus said no one would be able to calculate the hour when the kingdom comes (it wasn't in 1914). Anyone who disobeys the clear words of the Bible on these and other matters and instead favors the decrees of the governing body is guilty of not being neutral, of being part of the kingdoms of this world, of choosing to curry favor with earthly "kings" ahead of loyalty to Jehovah.
     
    The nations often say "in God we trust". The governing body says the same thing. But their actions disprove their words.
     
    The governing body has shown hatred for Jehovah's Kingdom by disfellowshipping faithful anointed heirs of the Kingdom Government. Repeatedly. They have filled up the measure of their forefathers. They are aware of what they are doing. 
     
    Please, brothers, take care not to hold their hand and work along with them in their wicked deeds, that you may not also be held accountable when Jesus comes and makes the hidden things manifest. Obey the governing body when they ask you to do things in harmony with what is written in the Bible, just as you obey the local governments and the national governments in paying back Caesar's things to Caesar. But do not listen to the governing body when they ask you to disobey Jehovah - that's what neutrality means: "We must obey God as ruler rather than man."
     
    "Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one who practices sin has either seen him or come to know him.  Little children, let no one mislead you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous.  The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil. Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, for His seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, for he has been born from God.  The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Whoever does not practice righteousness does not originate with God, nor does the one who does not love his brother.  For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;  not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother. And for what reason did he slaughter him? Because his own works were wicked, but those of his brother were righteous. Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.  We know that we have passed over from death to life, because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.  Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has everlasting life remaining in him."
     
    When the governing body approves of the disfellowshipping of faithful anointed ones, then the governing body is acting like children of the Devil. When the governing body is teaching doctrines in opposition to what the helper, the holy spirit, teaches, then the governing body is acting like children of the Devil. Please, loyal ones, do not follow them in their wicked deeds. Stay clean from their worldly teachings. Keep yourself spiritually chaste by obeying what the Christ said, so that your sacrifice of praise at the Memorial celebration may be pleasing in God's eyes. Please, don't share in the bloodguilt of the governing body by approving of their actions when they condemn ambassadors of the Kingdom. Their wicked actions toward faithful anointed ones mirror what those men would have done to Jesus had they lived in the first century. They would be just like the scribes and Pharisees of old, clamoring to have Jesus executed. Maybe they will repent later, but right now, they are not behaving as faithful ones. Please do not follow them in their wicked deeds. They are not representing Jesus or Jehovah. 
     
    "From that time forward, Jesus began explaining to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.  At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.”  
     
    "But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” 
     
    "Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.  For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.  Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?  For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.  Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”"
     
    We must worship with spirit and truth. The governing body have made themselves into idols. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Neutrality   
    Regarding his disciples, Jesus said to Jehovah in prayer: 
     
    "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.  They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.  Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world."
     
    Later, Jesus was talking to Pilate. Pilate asked if Jesus was a king.
     
    "Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source."
     
    The men who handed Jesus over were members of his own religion. Why did they hate Jesus so much? For one thing, those men had their own little "kingdom" or government setup within the religion. Jesus told the truth about the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees and their little kingdom setup, fleecing the flock, adding their own laws and traditions to God's Law. 
     
    Today, there are some who are like the scribes and Pharisees in God's organization. They add their own laws to God's Law. They don't like it when Jesus' friends expose the hypocrisy in the organization, even though Jesus is the one who is directing this exposure. 
     
    Jesus said: "Let your light shine" and "preach it from the housetops" and "we must worship with spirit and truth" and "if the light in you is darkness, how great that darkness is" and "they strain out the gnat and gulp down the camel" and "beware the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy".
     
    Jesus said he would come and expose the hypocrisy of the lawless ones with the sword of his mouth. He also said he would give us the words to say when bearing witness. In this way, Jesus gets the glory, and his glory is glory for Jehovah.
     
    "These things I command you, that you love one another.  If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.  If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you."
     
    Being "neutral" as to the affairs of the world doesn't just mean being neutral to the political governments of the state and the local municipalities. It also means being neutral in the affairs of the governing authorities in the congregation who have also set up their own little kingdoms in opposition to God and Christ.
     
    The current governing body has been permitted to operate. We must respect the fact that they have authority to buy and sell properties and make rules regarding the properties they own and the videos and music and publications they produce. They have the right to organize meetings the way they want to. They will be held accountable for what they do. As far as respect goes, we do not interfere with their manmade traditions, just like we don't interfere with people doing a flag salute. But we also don't take part in practices that God hates. We won't believe or teach others doctrines that aren't true. We must obey God as ruler rather than men when those men teach doctrines that are in opposition to God.
     
    The Kingly Law of the Christ is to Love. The first century governing body said "Abstain from blood." Jesus said no one would be able to calculate the hour when the kingdom comes (it wasn't in 1914). Anyone who disobeys the clear words of the Bible on these and other matters and instead favors the decrees of the governing body is guilty of not being neutral, of being part of the kingdoms of this world, of choosing to curry favor with earthly "kings" ahead of loyalty to Jehovah.
     
    The nations often say "in God we trust". The governing body says the same thing. But their actions disprove their words.
     
    The governing body has shown hatred for Jehovah's Kingdom by disfellowshipping faithful anointed heirs of the Kingdom Government. Repeatedly. They have filled up the measure of their forefathers. They are aware of what they are doing. 
     
    Please, brothers, take care not to hold their hand and work along with them in their wicked deeds, that you may not also be held accountable when Jesus comes and makes the hidden things manifest. Obey the governing body when they ask you to do things in harmony with what is written in the Bible, just as you obey the local governments and the national governments in paying back Caesar's things to Caesar. But do not listen to the governing body when they ask you to disobey Jehovah - that's what neutrality means: "We must obey God as ruler rather than man."
     
    "Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one who practices sin has either seen him or come to know him.  Little children, let no one mislead you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous.  The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil. Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, for His seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, for he has been born from God.  The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Whoever does not practice righteousness does not originate with God, nor does the one who does not love his brother.  For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;  not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother. And for what reason did he slaughter him? Because his own works were wicked, but those of his brother were righteous. Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.  We know that we have passed over from death to life, because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.  Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has everlasting life remaining in him."
     
    When the governing body approves of the disfellowshipping of faithful anointed ones, then the governing body is acting like children of the Devil. When the governing body is teaching doctrines in opposition to what the helper, the holy spirit, teaches, then the governing body is acting like children of the Devil. Please, loyal ones, do not follow them in their wicked deeds. Stay clean from their worldly teachings. Keep yourself spiritually chaste by obeying what the Christ said, so that your sacrifice of praise at the Memorial celebration may be pleasing in God's eyes. Please, don't share in the bloodguilt of the governing body by approving of their actions when they condemn ambassadors of the Kingdom. Their wicked actions toward faithful anointed ones mirror what those men would have done to Jesus had they lived in the first century. They would be just like the scribes and Pharisees of old, clamoring to have Jesus executed. Maybe they will repent later, but right now, they are not behaving as faithful ones. Please do not follow them in their wicked deeds. They are not representing Jesus or Jehovah. 
     
    "From that time forward, Jesus began explaining to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.  At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.”  
     
    "But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” 
     
    "Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.  For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.  Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?  For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.  Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”"
     
    We must worship with spirit and truth. The governing body have made themselves into idols. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from chan in 2016 Circuit Assembly Imitate Their Faith   
    Hi, @The Librarian, I am so sorry about the jw-archive 😢 thank you for all you have done to make truth accessible to people throughout the years. I know I have benefited a lot from many of the things I was able to read that you posted or made available. They cannot censor it from our hearts and minds. Thank you for helping build up the congregation of the Christ. I know Jehovah sees all you do for the sake of His Name. Thank you💖
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    We must all seek to grow up into the Head. If we are truly clinging to him as the head of the congregation, then we must have the faith that his blood is enough for each member. Jesus did not cut any of them off. He said he isn't doing the judging until he gets here. Pick your associates wisely, yes, judge for yourself who is good association to pal around with, yes, but don't treat anyone living as if they are dead! 
     
    "Clothe yourselves with love." Do not celebrate the Memorial lightly clad. It is not becoming in the Lord. Dress yourselves with the victorious robes of righteousness which includes faith and love and truth and kindness. He is the perfect cover. Remain in union with him.
     
    You are in union with him if you have love. Widen out in your affections. It is not those disfellowshipped ones you are cutting off when you practice the manmade parts of the disfellowshipping doctrine. It is yourself. When you practice that kind of disfellowshipping you are cutting off yourself from God's holy spirit and removing your garments of love and faith.
     
    Please, my brothers, it is time to wake up and see the power of the ransom blood of the Christ. It's not complicated. When you don't talk to those disfellowshipped ones at the Memorial, you are unkind and rude and disgustingly saying quite clearly that you don't have enough faith that the ransom is enough for them. The governing body doesn't have enough faith that the ransom is enough for them. Why would you want to follow them in such a horrible sin? It is for this reason the Son of God is coming to remove those lawless and hypocritical ones at headquarters from God's organization. If they refuse to repent, they will be removed.
     
    The Memorial is a time to meditate on the ransom blood and recognize its redeeming power. It's not time to ignore anyone who comes to the Memorial. Why do you think Jesus died anyway? For Pharisees without faith only? Or also for the lepers and tax collectors and prostitutes? He died for us before we deserved it. It is called undeserved kindness. If we are in union with him, we will have undeserved kindness for others too.
     
    His undeserved kindness is enough for us.
     
    Jesus is coming to clarify things. You will see these things clearly in time, and many people will have to repent because of the horrid way they treated their "disfellowshipped" brothers. If you turn around now, you won't have to repent as much then. Please, consider these things when you pass the wine and bread at the Memorial this year. 
     
    "For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all; so, then, all had died.  And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up."
     
    "Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us..."
     
    "God is Love."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts fear out, because fear restrains us. Indeed, the one who is fearful has not been made perfect in love."
     
    Please, dear ones: Why do you not talk to your so-called disfellowshipped brother? Is it not because of your fear of man? Your fear of the elders and what they will do to you? Your fear of the disapproval of others in the congregation? Your fear of the governing body? They are not Jehovah. "Pick up your torture stake and keep following me," said the Lord. Jehovah did not command you to ignore your so-called disfellowshipped brother. He commanded you to love him.
     
    "If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.  And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother."
     
    It is a commandment for you to love your so-called disfellowshipped brother. When you ignore him at the Memorial, in what way will Jehovah look on your so-called sacrifice of praise?
     
    "Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.  And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and the one who remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him."
     
    If your so-called disfellowshipped brother is there at the Memorial, he is acknowledging that Jesus is God's Son, and God is with him. When you cut him off from your affections, you are cutting off Jehovah too. 
     
    "We have opened our mouth to speak to you, Corinthians, and we have opened wide our heart.  We are not restricted in our affections for you, but you are restricted in your own tender affections for us.  So in response—I speak as to my children—you too open your hearts wide."
     
    Stop becoming yoked with unbelievers. By your following the governing body in their apostate teaching of the current disfellowshipping doctrine, in their lack of faith in the ransom, in their hypocritical traditions that disregard the ransom, you become yoked with unbelievers. They do not believe the ransom is enough. They are antichrist. Please, stop becoming yoked with such unbelievers. Jesus is coming to remove those lawless ones from the organization. They disregard the Kingly Law of Love, the Law of the Christ. Jehovah will sanctify His Holy Name. Jehovah's witnesses must have love for all the brothers, because the blood of the Christ is enough for us and for them. It was a whole offering, the Christ. "None of his bones broken." We must be whole in our love for his body, which is the congregation. Throw the fear outside, because fear restrains love. We must be perfect in love.
     
    God is Love. Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    A request, please, for any who attend the Memorial while adhering to the disfellowshipping doctrine:
     
    "As often as you celebrate it, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives."
     
    Jesus poured out his perfect blood.
     
    He poured out his perfect blood for each one of us.
     
    He gave his life for us before we were even alive. Before we knew him and loved him. While we were still enemies of him.
     
    It's okay for us to love others before they love us. It's okay to love our enemies. Jesus paid for them.
     
    "Keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives."
     
    When the bread and the wine are passed, please remember they represent the freedom we have to love. Jesus died so that we may have that freedom. It's good to invite people to the Memorial and all, and it feels nice to dress up, and it's lovely to have a nice flower arrangement and all, but what is the Real Way to proclaim the death of the Lord?
     
    With Love. For all, even those "disfellowshipped" brothers. They're not disfellowshipped in Jesus' eyes. Jesus paid for them. He paid a high price for them. He hasn't judged them yet. Have you?
     
    Do you believe Jesus died for all? What do you think the ransom is for anyway? It's so you don't have to judge them, those ones you disfellowship. It's so you can talk to them and help them. Don't ignore them at the Memorial. They are your brothers. If you ignore your disfellowshipped brothers at the Memorial (or anytime) then in what way can you say you have faith in the ransom blood? If you don't have faith in the power of Jesus' blood, then why are you attending the Memorial anyway? For looks? His blood is enough for them. For real. It's not just a fraction. It's a whole sacrifice. It doesn't cover just a fraction of the congregation or a fraction of the world or a fraction of our sins. It covers all humans. We don't have to judge who will live or die, Jesus will do that later. We just have to love.
     
    Please, brothers, with the measure you are measuring out, you will have it measured out to you. You don't want Jesus to only cover a fraction of your sins, do you? Of course not. We want to be wholly covered. Please, his love is enough for us. Let it be enough for you.
     
    "God is Love."
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    "True wisdom cries aloud in the street. 
    It keeps raising its voice in the public squares. 
    At the corner of the busy streets it calls out. 
    At the entrances of the city gates it says: 
     
    "“How long will you inexperienced ones love inexperience? 
    How long will you ridiculers take pleasure in ridicule? 
    And how long will you foolish ones hate knowledge? 
    Respond to my reproof. 
    Then I will pour out my spirit for you; 
    I will make my words known to you.  
    Because I called out, but you kept refusing, 
    I stretched out my hand, but no one was paying attention,  
    You kept neglecting all my advice 
    And rejecting my reproof,  
    I also will laugh when disaster strikes you; 
    I will mock when what you dread comes, 
    When what you dread comes like a storm, 
    And your disaster arrives like a storm wind, 
    When distress and trouble come upon you.  
    At that time they will keep calling me, but I will not answer; 
    They will eagerly look for me, but they will not find me, 
    Because they hated knowledge, 
    And they did not choose to fear Jehovah.  
    They refused my advice; 
    They disrespected all my reproof.  
    So they will bear the consequences of their way, 
    And they will be glutted with their own counsel.  
    For the waywardness of the inexperienced will kill them, 
    And the complacency of fools will destroy them.  
    But the one listening to me will dwell in security 
    And be undisturbed by the dread of calamity.""
     
    Jesus is the Wisdom of Jehovah. 
    Disfellowshipping is antiJesus.
    He is coming and he will show the organization what he thinks of the disfellowshipping doctrine.
    He will sanctify Jehovah's Name when he throws the disfellowshipping doctrine in the dustbin, along with all those who unrepentantly cling to it.
     
    Repent, any of you people who love to hate! Shunning Jesus' friends is the same as shunning Jesus. He is their redeemer. They belong to him. He purchased them with his blood. Have faith in the ransom. The Kingdom of the Heavens is Drawing Near. God is Love.
     
    Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    "If you see your brother’s bull or his sheep going astray, do not deliberately ignore it. You should without fail lead it back to your brother.  
     
    "But if your brother does not live near you or you do not know him, you should bring the animal to your house, and it will remain with you until your brother searches for it. Then you should return it to him.  That is what you should do with his donkey, with his clothing, and with anything that your brother has lost and you have found. You must not ignore it. 
     
    “If you see your brother’s donkey or his bull fall down on the road, you must not deliberately ignore it. You should without fail help him raise the animal up."
     
    What is it that Jesus said?
     
    "He said to them: “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep!"
     
    Here is what Solomon said:
     
    "The righteous one takes care of his domestic animals, 
    But even the mercy of the wicked is cruel."
     
    The "merciful" provision of disfellowshipping is not merciful at all. It is cruel. And it is wicked.
     
    Jesus said those who keep the word of God are happy. God commanded us to love our brother. If it was a sin to ignore a sheep, how much more so it is a sin to ignore a man, made in God's image, redeemed by the precious blood of His Son!
     
    "If a man gives his fellow man a donkey or a bull or a sheep or any domestic animal to keep and it dies or gets maimed or gets led away while nobody is looking,  there should be an oath made between them before Jehovah, that he did not lay his hand on the goods of his fellow man; and the owner must accept it. The other man is not to make compensation.  But if the animal has been stolen from him, he is to make compensation to its owner.  If it was torn by a wild animal, he is to bring it as evidence. He is not to make compensation for something torn by a wild animal. 
     
    “But if anybody asks to borrow an animal from his fellow man and it gets maimed or it dies while its owner is not with it, the man who borrowed it must make compensation.  If its owner is with it, he is not to make compensation. If it was hired, the money paid for the hire is the compensation."
     
    Many of the Lord's sheep have been neglected, torn, maimed by this system of things after being "disfellowshipped" and ignored by the shepherds in the organization. Jehovah is sending Jesus to make an accounting.
     
    "This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Woe to the shepherds of Israel, who have been feeding themselves! Is it not the flock that the shepherds should feed?...My sheep were straying on all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the surface of the earth, with no one searching for them or seeking to find them...This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I am against the shepherds, and I will demand an accounting of them for my sheep, and I will dismiss them from feeding my sheep, and the shepherds will no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouth, and they will no longer be food for them.’”
     
    All of Jehovah's little sheep that have been "disfellowshipped" and are here and there, some mislabeled as apostates, some mislabeled as weak, some mislabeled as disobedient - Jehovah knows who are His sheep and where are His sheep - He will gather them back.
     
    "“‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Here I am, and I myself will search for my sheep, and I will care for them.  I will care for my sheep like a shepherd who has found his scattered sheep and is feeding them. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered in the day of clouds and thick gloom."
     
    The ransom is enough for the "disfellowshipped" sheep. Jehovah will tenderly care for them.
     
    "“I myself will feed my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.  “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
     
    Jehovah will "undisfellowship" His scattered sheep and dismiss the bad shepherds (aka wolves) from the organization. Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    "So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?”  In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted.  For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.  That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it.  And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see.  For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them."
     
    When people didn't understand him, Jesus taught via illustrations. 
     
    The following two videos are wonderful illustrations by "Kevin McFree" that helps to explain why disfellowshipping and other related manmade traditions are antichrist. (I do not agree with everything Kevin believes, but I do agree that his illustration is accurate and exposes the hypocrisy of shunning in the congregation.)
     
     
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    In conclusion/summary:
     
    "Therefore, whoever eats the loaf or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord."
     
    The majority of those who attend the Memorial do not partake of the emblems. If you are a baptized member of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses attending the Memorial and you support and practice disfellowshipping as it is currently taught by Watchtower publications, and if you adhere to and teach that it is acceptable to take blood fractions into your body, then no matter how many times you attend the Memorial or how many people you invite or no matter how many Bible studies you have, you are guilty as regards showing respect for the body and blood of the Lord.
     
    "First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup.  For the one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment against himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and quite a few are sleeping in death. But if we would discern what we ourselves are, we would not be judged. However, when we are judged, we are disciplined by Jehovah, so that we may not become condemned with the world."
     
    God is Love, and those Jehovah's Witnesses who claim to represent God by means of proclaiming their title (namely by them saying "I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses") are under obligation to also show love to other humans made in God's image (which means being willing to talk to them at the very least) and to show respect for God's command regarding abstaining from blood.
     
    Any Jehovah's Witness who thinks they are respecting the Christ by celebrating the Memorial and yet tramples on the precious blood of the Christ by saying his blood isn't good enough to show love to a specific "class" of people, (namely, whoever they label "disfellowshipped") those Jehovah's Witnesses prove that they do not discern Jehovah's will regarding the purpose of the ransom blood of the Christ and therefore those Jehovah's Witnesses are self-condemned.
     
    "The one who says, “I have come to know him,” and yet does not observe his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in this person. But whoever does observe his word, in this person the love of God has truly been made perfect. By this we know that we are in union with him. The one who says he remains in union with him is himself under obligation to go on walking just as that one walked."
     
    Jesus did not shun people. Anyone who passes the emblems while practicing or teaching the disfellowshipping doctrine is a lawless one and is not showing respect for Jesus' sacrifice.
     
    Celebrating the Memorial is not some kind of "lucky charm". It's not a celebration that "saves" people, or something in the way the Catholic Church teaches the need to partake of the Eucharist. 
     
    What good is it to pass some dry bread and wine if there is no love? What good is it to pass some dry bread and wine if there is no obedience? Does Jehovah need you to pass the bread and wine? He asks you to, but isn't love and obedience more important than the physical things?
     
    "Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first.  It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received.  What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”"
     
    People come out of the world, become Jehovah's Witnesses, and then end up being Less Loving than before they came in the truth. In what way? They shun their own worldly family members as being "unclean" and they shun their spiritual family members who get labelled "unworthy of love" and are considered "disfellowshipped" according to a committee of imperfect men.
     
    Jehovah's Witnesses who practice the current disfellowshipping doctrine have acted as antichrists. Jehovah's Witnesses who teach that blood fractions are acceptable also have acted as antichrists. Millions of Jehovah's Witnesses join the governing body in this horrid reproach on the Christ. During the Memorial, millions will come together and claim to love Jesus and yet they shun their brothers and brazenly disobey God's clear command to abstain from all blood. Jehovah is not impressed. Jehovah's name has been greatly reproached, but Jesus is coming to remedy the situation. The attack by the UN on false religion will start at Jehovah's organization, Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah will refine His organization for the sake of His Holy Name. He will remove the reproach from His Name, and cleanse His Name People. Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    @EsADmf, are you related to Massimo Introvigne? You seem to have a similar writing style. This nice brother analyzed Massimo's works and I can see a resemblance in the kinds of ad hominem attacks and slander that Massimo uses and that you use. I do not agree with everything Jonas believes in, but I do agree with him on much of what he states in this video. Shunning is not loving. He is right. People who tell the truth are not "apostates" just for telling the truth. And people who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses" but who don't act like Jehovah's witnesses, well, they are actually the real apostates, aren't they.  
     
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    "Cancel culture is a phenomenon in which those who are deemed to have acted or spoken in an unacceptable manner are ostracized, boycotted or shunned.[1][2][3][4] This shunning may extend to social or professional circles—whether on social media or in person—with most high-profile incidents involving celebrities.[5] Those subject to this ostracism are said to have been "cancelled".[6][7][a]
    See also...Blacklisting...Online shaming, Shunning, Social exclusion" (From Wikipedia)
     
    Interesting thing about disfellowshipping and shunning and cancel culture, Jesus himself was "cancelled" by the wicked men of his day, and yet Jesus was the one Jehovah chose to redeem mankind and inherit everything on the earth. The elders of his day "disfellowshipped" him. The Romans soldiers followed through with the execution. Many of God's name people cheered it on.
     
    Just goes to show that imperfect humans are poor judges. 
     
    "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it says in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a chosen stone, a precious foundation cornerstone, and no one exercising faith in it will ever be disappointed.”
     
    "It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.  
     
    "But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.  For you were once not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy. Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and temporary residents to keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which wage war against you.  Maintain your conduct fine among the nations, so that when they accuse you of being wrongdoers, they may be eyewitnesses of your fine works and, as a result, glorify God in the day of his inspection."
     
    144,000 of those "cancelled" by Satan and his associates will end up being kings in heaven who will help "cancel" all of God's enemies. Including the demons. What will happen to Satan and all cronies? Satan. Demons. Wicked people. "Cancelled." The ultimate "disfellowshipping."
     
    "You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder."
     
    "And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur."
     
    Ultimately, it will be the Devil and his cronies who will be cancelled. (What a happy day!) The Real Disfellowshipping.
     
    "Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."
     
    "At that he said to them: “I see Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven.  Look! I have given you the authority to trample underfoot serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing at all will harm you.  Nevertheless, do not rejoice because the spirits are made subject to you, but rejoice because your names have been written in the heavens.”  
     
    "In that very hour he became overjoyed in the holy spirit and said: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved.  All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.”
     
    Praise Jehovah.🥰
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    It is not possible to cancel God's judgments. Jehovah Causes To Become. His Word Always Comes True.
     
    "And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day."
     
    “Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him.”
     
    "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.  Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping."
     
    "Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment."
     
    "Beloved ones, do not be surprised about the fiery trials that you are experiencing, as though something strange were happening to you.  On the contrary, go on rejoicing over the extent to which you are sharers in the sufferings of the Christ, so that you may rejoice and be overjoyed also during the revelation of his glory.  If you are being reproached for the name of Christ, you are happy, because the spirit of glory, yes, the spirit of God, is resting upon you. However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a wrongdoer or a busybody in other people’s matters.  But if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but let him keep on glorifying God while bearing this name.  For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God."
     
    Praise Jehovah.💖
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    "When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations.  There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire...For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.  You should prove yourself blameless before Jehovah your God."
     
    Disfellowshipping as currently practiced cuts off Jehovah's "children". It is throwing away living people and treating them as if they are dead. It separates families and friends. It is not Jehovah's way.
     
    Everything belongs to Jehovah. Jehovah purchased everyone with the blood of His Son. Jehovah will allow Jesus to judge for Him. Jesus will decide who will be cut off and who will not be cut off.
     
    Who dares to presumptuously take the place of Jesus as judge? No committee of men is authorized to judge for Jesus. No congregation member has the right to judge as unworthy of love and affection and attention somebody that Jesus died for. His blood is enough for them.
     
    "There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through the fire...For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah."
     
    All the "children" belong to Jehovah, both the righteous and the wicked. It does not belong to any of us to presume to cut off one of Jehovah's children. No one in the Christian congregation was given authority to kill anyone, to treat anyone as if they are dead and never talk to them again even though they are still living.  
     
    Jesus said: "“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" and also "If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword" and Jehovah said: "They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart."
     
    Figuratively "burning up" living people, living breathing children of Jehovah - it's wrong.
     
    "There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire...For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.  
     
    "You should prove yourself blameless before Jehovah your God."
     
    The currently practiced doctrine of disfellowshipping is a God-dishonoring, detestable practice that does not belong in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. It defiles God's holy name and heaps reproach on His holy name. Jesus rides for Jehovah's Name and Jesus will cleanse the organization of this detestable practice. Praise Jehovah.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in Disfellowshipping's Modern Origins   
    Just to illustrate - if the first century congregation was set up in the way that Jehovah's Witnesses today execute a "disfellowshipping", then it would go something like this: the apostle Paul and Timothy and the apostle John would meet in a back room with Diotrephes. If he didn't say he was sorry about slandering John, then the apostle John would make an announcement during the next meeting that Diotrephes was no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but the apostle John wouldn't say why. In the marketplace, if any of the Christian brothers walked by Diotrephes, they wouldn't say "hi" to him or if he fell down and hurt himself they wouldn't help him up.
     
    That scenario doesn't fit with what Jesus taught, or the apostles. Here's why:
     
    (1) John and Paul both said why those certain members of the congregation should not be allowed to give talks and/or should not be gathered with them to eat the emblems. They publicly said why. In fact, it's so public, we all have a copy of it in our homes. We know about the Corinthian man who was committing fornication with his father's wife. We know the details. We know about Alexander and Hymaneaus and Diotrephes. We know why Paul said to not ignore the wrongdoing of the Corinthian fornicator and we know why John said to not allow those other guys to have the run of the place. It's not a mystery, and it's not "gossip" to know why. It is in harmony with the second point here:
     
    (2) In Matthew 18, Jesus said to tell the congregation. The whole congregation, not just the elders. That way the individuals in the congregation were protected with the knowledge of what that person was doing and could exercise that knowledge to make decisions accordingly.
     
    (3) Jesus gave the illustration about helping the beat up man. Ignoring people is not what Jesus taught. It doesn't matter who they are. It's not wrong to say "hello". It's not wrong to help a person who has been labeled, whether they are a known sinner or not. It's not wrong to love your enemies, to help an enemy who is hurt, to feed your enemy if they are hungry. The Bible is full of time and again when Jehovah did this. Jehovah himself teaches us by His example: He makes the sun shine on the righteous and the wicked and the rain benefits the righteous and the wicked.
     
    (4) "Not saying a greeting" in context and in harmony with the rest of the scriptures implies not well-wishing a person in their wicked deeds. In other words, it would be wrong to tell Diotrephes, "I hope that works out well for you, all your false teaching" or telling the Corinthian wrongdoer, "May God bless your fornication and brazen conduct" - that would be wrong. That's what John was talking about, not well-wishing a wrongdoer in their wrongdoing.
     
    Here's a more likely way things worked out in the first-century: everybody in the congregation already knew that Diotrephes was being naughty and lying about John and other things. It was common knowledge. Since John was the eldest brother, he helped the friends to see it was not wise to allow Diotrephes to be in charge of anything during times for worship. The householder where the meeting was held decided not to let Diotrephes in the home anymore during meetings for worship. When they saw him in the marketplace, they would talk to him the same way they would talk to anyone who was not a brother, but if he started talking smack, they would walk away.
     
    Same idea with the Corinthian fornicator. When he was sad at being treated this way, not allowed to hang out with other Christians for worship, then he cleaned up his marriage life and they immediately welcomed him back in for worship. There was no committee meeting. No shunning in the manner it is done today as described in the elder's book, with what amounts to almost a flowchart type mentality rather than Bible principles. In the first-century, they would just follow the simple yet clear admonition of the apostles which was based on what Christ taught.
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    John 12.24to28 got a reaction from A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus in A Judgment Message Regarding the Memorial   
    "For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,  but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition.  
     
    "Anyone who has disregarded the Law of Moses dies without compassion on the testimony of two or three.  How much greater punishment do you think a person will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God and who has regarded as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt?  
     
    "For we know the One who said: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again: “Jehovah will judge his people.”  
     
    "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
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