Allen Smith

Perhaps in some cases. Mentally illness or not. God will make that distinction. What we can't say, What will God do when judging a person. You and @Pudgy are animate to affirm, suicide is not a sin, when scripture says otherwise.

What is wrong with you tonight, Pudgy? So hateful! Get a grip 🙏

I think this type of mentality, should stay in the closed forum. The public doesn't need to see JW's, discredit the bible.

Then why argue about it. Why bring it up in the affirm if you are not willing to listen to scripture.

(John 18:9) 9 This was to fulfill what he had said: “Of those whom you have given me, I have not lost a single one.. . .
 
How long did you say you were a witness? 

Such arrogant and demeaning banter, Pudgy. I’m really surprised. I thought Allen Smith was doing an excellent job in representing the Scriptures accurately and some basic Christian ethics were being overlooked by his contenders.
From Young People Ask, Vol 2, p 307
What does baptism symbolize? Being immersed and raised up means that you have died to a self-seeking course and are now made alive to do Jehovah’s will.
Not one of us, in fact, lives with regard to himself only, and no one dies with regard to himself only.  8 For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah (Romans 14:7, 😎
What does it mean to dedicate your life to Jehovah? It means to give up ownership of yourself, promising to put the doing of God’s will ahead of all else. It’s fitting that you make a formal dedication in prayer to Jehovah sometime before your baptism.
Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. (Matthew 16:24)
I will ask answer your questions Pudgy —
(I am going to Save this first because I just lost about 30 minutes of work on my iPad trying to answer it previously)

That would apply ONLY if you could vote on Truth.
You can’t.
And in your case you can’t find any valid scriptures!

What are you talking about? The Catholic church teaches that those who commit suicide will burn in hell.
I remember watching a documentary about 9/11 where people were jumping out of windows because they didn't want to be burned alive. There was a Hispanic couple that was being interviewed, they may have been the parents of one of the jumpers. They were extremely distraught hoping that it wasn't their son who was depicted on one of the photographs because they believed if it was, then he was in hell. It was hard to watch.

The last post indicates, EVERYONE in this world has a get out of jail free card. Meaning, they will be forgiven and brought back in resurrection because they simply committed suicide. No consequence. Reminds me of the Catholic Church.

The last post indicates, EVERYONE in this world has a get out of jail free card. Meaning, they will be forgiven and brought back in resurrection because they simply committed suicide. No consequence. Reminds me of the Catholic Church.

In your mind, God will bring back King Saul, Judas Iscariot, and anyone that committed suicide, that have murdered their own bodies that had ulterior motives for them taking that life?
What you are telling the public is, you need to see the word "suicide" in order for you NOT to challenge God's sovereignty by his creation. Isaiah 55:8
(Romans 12:1, 2) 12 Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason. 2 And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

This can be true, but some have ulterior motives. How can you separate motives from circumstance? I had a millionaire friend in California that committed suicide because he couldn't go back to being poor, a regular Joe. Can that be considered not of sound mind? To me, he had a specific motive.
Therefore, to say, "it's because they are not of sound mind" is a false assumption to any Christian.

Then, you need to certainly understand scripture, especially what Paul meant.
(Acts 16:25-31) 25 But about the middle of the night, Paul and Silas were praying and praising God with song, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly a great earthquake occurred, so that the foundations of the jail were shaken. Moreover, all the doors were instantly opened, and everyone’s bonds came loose. 27 When the jailer woke up and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, assuming that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul called out with a loud voice: “Do not hurt yourself, for we are all here!” 29 So he asked for lights and rushed in, and seized with trembling, he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 He brought them outside and said: “Sirs, what must I do to get saved?” 31 They said: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will get saved, you and your household.. . .
 
You do remember Apostle Paul, don't you, James?
So, in Exodus 20:13, you must not murder, killing yourself (Suicide) is for all intent purposes murder.
Sin is a faring reaching condition. 
(James 4:1-3) 4 What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you? 2 You desire, and yet you do not have. You go on murdering and coveting, and yet you are not able to obtain. You go on fighting and waging war. You do not have because of your not asking. 3 When you do ask, you do not receive because you are asking for a wrong purpose, so that you may spend it on your fleshly desire. . .
 
 

Only because you would need to understand scripture, James. Nowhere in scripture does it "specifically" use the word suicide. I know you're not a psychologist, but, in God's laws, harming yourself for whatever reason is a sin. Now, how can you "prove" that suicide is NOT a sin, James?
Yet, wordplay is always a stronghold for the unattended. 

When it comes to the killing of another, justified or not by man's law, it doesn't guarantee God will NOT judge that individual that took that life. Life, regardless, is not ours to take. What did Jesus tell Peter in John 18:11?
If a brother at a kingdom Hall happened to be carrying a gun when a gunman came in and opened fire on the members, that brother shoots the suspect. Depending on each State's or Countries laws, he might be acquitted of all wrong doing, by man's law. God's law is different. He will be judged for taking that life regardless. God will look at the purity of the circumstance. Could something else been done to prevent further shooting, like those church members did in California? To God, it is a long way before it becomes justifiable. Humans are dealing with a creator, not another human being.
Therefore, the logic in this is, don't think like an imperfect human being.
Now, posters question suicide. There are at least two people here that don't understand scripture, in spite of their long-standing at their church. These two individuals need to understand:
(1 Corinthians 6:15-20) . . .members of the Christ away and join them to a prostitute? By no means! 16 Do you not know that anyone who is joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For “the two,” says he, “will be one flesh.” 17 But whoever is joined to the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality! Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but whoever practices sexual immorality is sinning against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? Also, you do not belong to yourselves, 20 for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in your body.
Human beings don't have a RIGHT to do what they wish with their bodies. Taking their life, harms the body in God's eyes. So, YES!!!! The Bible does say something about suicide without using the WORD suicide.
 

Okay, okay. Musk didn’t buy it.
Did you buy it?
Or did the old hen fall off the wagon once again and you’re blackmailing her?

Better yet! Consider 2023. It's going to be wild!!

The last post indicates, EVERYONE in this world has a get out of jail free card. Meaning, they will be forgiven and brought back in resurrection because they simply committed suicide. No consequence. Reminds me of the Catholic Church.

Then, you need to certainly understand scripture, especially what Paul meant.
(Acts 16:25-31) 25 But about the middle of the night, Paul and Silas were praying and praising God with song, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly a great earthquake occurred, so that the foundations of the jail were shaken. Moreover, all the doors were instantly opened, and everyone’s bonds came loose. 27 When the jailer woke up and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, assuming that the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul called out with a loud voice: “Do not hurt yourself, for we are all here!” 29 So he asked for lights and rushed in, and seized with trembling, he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 He brought them outside and said: “Sirs, what must I do to get saved?” 31 They said: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will get saved, you and your household.. . .
 
You do remember Apostle Paul, don't you, James?
So, in Exodus 20:13, you must not murder, killing yourself (Suicide) is for all intent purposes murder.
Sin is a faring reaching condition. 
(James 4:1-3) 4 What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you? 2 You desire, and yet you do not have. You go on murdering and coveting, and yet you are not able to obtain. You go on fighting and waging war. You do not have because of your not asking. 3 When you do ask, you do not receive because you are asking for a wrong purpose, so that you may spend it on your fleshly desire. . .
 
 

Our resident Lazarus is raised from the dead and everyone carries on as though it was one of those things?  This ought to make the 2022 Top Stories list.

I don't know, did he? You should know!

Did Elon Musk buy this platform?

When it comes to the killing of another, justified or not by man's law, it doesn't guarantee God will NOT judge that individual that took that life. Life, regardless, is not ours to take. What did Jesus tell Peter in John 18:11?
If a brother at a kingdom Hall happened to be carrying a gun when a gunman came in and opened fire on the members, that brother shoots the suspect. Depending on each State's or Countries laws, he might be acquitted of all wrong doing, by man's law. God's law is different. He will be judged for taking that life regardless. God will look at the purity of the circumstance. Could something else been done to prevent further shooting, like those church members did in California? To God, it is a long way before it becomes justifiable. Humans are dealing with a creator, not another human being.
Therefore, the logic in this is, don't think like an imperfect human being.
Now, posters question suicide. There are at least two people here that don't understand scripture, in spite of their long-standing at their church. These two individuals need to understand:
(1 Corinthians 6:15-20) . . .members of the Christ away and join them to a prostitute? By no means! 16 Do you not know that anyone who is joined to a prostitute is one body with her? For “the two,” says he, “will be one flesh.” 17 But whoever is joined to the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality! Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but whoever practices sexual immorality is sinning against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? Also, you do not belong to yourselves, 20 for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in your body.
Human beings don't have a RIGHT to do what they wish with their bodies. Taking their life, harms the body in God's eyes. So, YES!!!! The Bible does say something about suicide without using the WORD suicide.