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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in EXJWs Are Going to the U.S. Capitol   
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in EXJWs Are Going to the U.S. Capitol   
    Apparently reading comprehension is not one of your strong points…….. Dmitar.
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in EXJWs Are Going to the U.S. Capitol   
    … a tempest in a teapot ….
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in EXJWs Are Going to the U.S. Capitol   
    Here is the website to more information on this topic: 
    https://www.befree2023.com
    I do not know the organizer and I am not part of any organized protest movements, but I do know that just like some people go door-to-door to talk about religion while others go door-to-door to sell vacuums or to take a census...so similarly, not all who go to the Capitol go for the same reasons or the have the same motivations.
     
    The "signage" section on the "be free" website appears to be all slogans that just bear witness to the truth about sketchy stuff going on in the organization. Jehovah's witnesses are commanded by Jesus to bear witness to the truth, even to those in high stations. While it seems many who consider themselves to be "ex-jw" will attend, in essence the messages (according to that website) to be shared could easily be shared by those who still have faith in Jehovah God and obey what is written in the Bible.
     
    Generally speaking, going to a beast to lobby for change doesn't work well. However, there have been instances recorded in the Bible where Jehovah used random people going to the king to make something happen. Haman, though a pagan, was in the courtyard when the king of Medo-Persia had a dream. Jehovah used Haman's words to reward Mordecai. Esther's requests to the king worked well. Exiled Daniel was around when the king of Babylon had a dream, and Jehovah used him to help the king understand a situation. Paul spoke to governmental authorities frequently. 
     
    Even if only a handful of 45 people show up, what of it? Numbers don't matter with Jehovah, if He decides to use it for something. The Bible shows that the US/UK breathes life into the UN for the attack on Babylon the Great to start at the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. It isn't wrong to bear witness to the authorities regarding the sins of the organization. We're going to have to keep bearing witness to the truth during the entire tribulation anyway.
     
    Will others show up who will not adhere to what is outlined on that website? Quite likely. In the Kingdom Halls, many also show up who do not follow what is written in God's Word. If any true Christians participated in such an event as what is described on the "be free" website, they would have to be extremely careful to obey the command of the Christ by not taking part in violence: "If anyone has an ear, let him hear.  If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones."
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    Yesterday at the assembly, it was like a little case study or experiment for whether "disfellowshipping" as currently practiced has Jehovah's backing. (I already know it doesn't, but this was just more evidence it doesn't.) 
     
    Very soon, those people are going to know that Jehovah doesn't support the false Babylonish doctrines in the organization, and those people who embrace the false doctrines will repent, hopefully. "They will have to know I have loved you." They will have to know that Jesus loves so many of the "shunned" ones who are labeled "disfellowshipped" or "apostate" or "rejected" or "worldly". 
     
    (There is a summary of our day at the assembly in the "Status Updates" here...
    https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/profile/20132-audreyannanana/   )
     
    "The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law."
     
    The unscriptural manmade "law" of disfellowshipping with its kangaroo court and OD book and elder book regulations and flowcharts and so on, those types of disfellowshipping things are against God's spirit. Jehovah is a witness by means of His spirit.
     
    (The real type of "shunning" was when I turned around and walked away from the mean elders. Jehovah says "shun" foolish debates and regarding fake elders "from these turn away".)
     
    The friends who didn't know I was "disfellowshipped" by the laws of men, they talked to me yesterday and I talked to them. The spirit of Jehovah was on us - there was love and joy and peace, all the fruitage of the spirit. The holy spirit was not "shunning" me. The holy spirit was not "grieved" because the friends were talking to me even though the wolf-elders made an ungodly decree about shunning me. Jehovah didn't back their decree. Jehovah was a witness that their decree is bogus. Jehovah's holy spirit is from Jehovah.
     
    "The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children."
     
    "...while God joined in bearing witness...with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."
     
    "When the helper comes that I will send you from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father, that one will bear witness about me;  and you, in turn, are to bear witness..."
     
    "And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. And he made no distinction at all between us and them, but purified their hearts by faith.  So why are you now making a test of God by imposing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our forefathers nor we were capable of bearing?  On the contrary, we have faith that we are saved through the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus in the same way that they are."
     
    The disfellowshipping doctrine is antichrist, against Jesus' teachings; it is from Babylon the Great, false religion. It doesn't belong in Jehovah's House.
     
    Many elders are kind, but some elders are wolf-elders. The rotten fruitage of the wolf-elders at the assembly proved that they didn't have Jehovah's holy spirit. They had the spirit of the world.
     
    "...egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another."
     
    "...hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects,  envy..." Additionally, the same elders that disfellowshipped me for obeying Jehovah and being a faithful witness are the ones who approved of those in the congregation committing adultery, drunkenness, fraud, and other serious wrongdoing.
     
    What is the point? The time is very near for Babylon the Great to be destroyed by the United Nations. There are many kind, sheep-like, loving people in the different religions. There are also many kind sheep-like, loving people who are atheists. Jehovah is not partial. He can see beyond the labels and the masks. Jehovah knows where they are, and at the appointed time He will gather them together. He has left His Name on Jehovah's Witnesses. That will be the basic organizational structure that He will gather the sheep to after He cleans it for the sake of His Name. (Right now, Jehovah's Witnesses are giving Jehovah a bad reputation, but He will remedy that shortly.) "Any branch not bearing fruit will be cut down and thrown in the fire." The parts of the organization that are family-like and not institutional, the parts that are loving and not business-like, the parts that are real and good - those will remain. The wheat will remain. The weeds will be removed. 
     
    When all the Babylonish institutions are destroyed, the corporation parts of Jehovah's Witnesses will be destroyed. The false teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses will be removed. The people who Jehovah can work with, who respond to the holy spirit, they will remain, but the Kingdom Halls and the Bethels and the properties and the JW ClergyClassSystem will be gone. Those will be the first things to go. It will be like a shark feeding frenzy - once the first shark gets a taste of that blood, there is no stopping the frenzy. There will be nothing left of the physical part of the corporation. The destruction by means of the nations will be fast and complete. "Like a millstone thrown into the sea."
     
    Some people may get caught up in the spirit of the world during that time and join in the melee. That would be very unwise. Jehovah is Real, and He will protect His Real witnesses.
     
    I know what I would do if someone tried to attack my kids. Jehovah is Way Bigger, and I have seen Him protect me and my kids already from some outstandingly bigger forces than us. Jehovah allows suffering, but He also has a line that His enemies dare not cross. He also has an Appointed Time to reverse this whole mess.
     
    Please, keep faith in Jehovah. The days ahead are going to be terrible. Jehovah knows those who belong to Him. He knows the heart. Don't be afraid. Once it starts, it will happen fast - the tribulation will be 3 1/2 years. Some who are "asleep" in faith will see that Jehovah is real. Some will join Jehovah's witnesses and some will oppose. "And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever."
     
    Jehovah is calling you to His side. May you respond to Jehovah's love and love Jehovah and live on for time indefinite, beloved ones. 
     
    "He Causes To Become."
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    There is a several thousand year history of Jehovah’s Witnesses before Charles Taze Russell was ever born.
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    Nah, I'd definitely skip out on the sky blue UN army helmet. Just like Jehovah has a better chariot, so He also has better armor for His soldiers...(Praise Jehovah.🥰) I like how the illustrators in the organization portray it:

     
    "Stand firm, therefore, with the belt of truth fastened around your waist, wearing the breastplate of righteousness,  and having your feet shod in readiness to declare the good news of peace.  Besides all of this, take up the large shield of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning arrows.  Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word,  while with every form of prayer and supplication you carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit. And to that end stay awake, constantly making supplication in behalf of all the holy ones.  Pray also for me, that the words may be given to me when I open my mouth, so that I may be able to speak boldly in making known the sacred secret of the good news,  for which I am acting as an ambassador in chains, and that I may speak about it with boldness, as I ought to speak."
     
     
    "Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.  For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.  Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.  But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves,  for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.  For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.  But as for us who belong to the day, let us keep our senses and put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation as a helmet because God assigned us, not to wrath, but to the acquiring of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.  He died for us, so that whether we stay awake or are asleep, we should live together with him.  Therefore, keep encouraging one another and building one another up, just as you are in fact doing."
     
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    FD$ = WTBT$ = $🤑🖤
    "Now the Pharisees, who were money lovers, were listening to all these things, and they began to sneer at him.  So he said to them: “You are those who declare yourselves righteous before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is considered exalted by men is a disgusting thing in God’s sight."
     
    (I used to donate faithfully every week to the "Faithful and Discreet Slave", but since they tried to cut me off from the organization and I saw their true colors now I only send them donations in coconut, since I heard they like coconut. Speaking of colors, I'll be wearing a coconut colored outfit at the assembly tomorrow - a dress that is coconut colors and some coconut smelling lotion, just to show support for coconut lovers in my family everywhere...)
     

     
    I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. Jehovah is the One who invented humor. 😃 Jehovah is our Refuge. We will be Happy in His Arms.
     
    "Why are the nations agitated
    And the peoples muttering an empty thing?  
    The kings of the earth take their stand 
    And high officials gather together as one 
    Against Jehovah and against his anointed one.  
    They say: “Let us tear off their shackles 
    And throw off their ropes!”  
    The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh; 
    Jehovah will scoff at them.  
    At that time he will speak to them in his anger 
    And terrify them in his burning anger, 
    Saying: “I myself have installed my king 
    On Zion, my holy mountain.”  
    Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; 
    He said to me: “You are my son; 
    Today I have become your father.  
    Ask of me, and I will give nations as your inheritance 
    And the ends of the earth as your possession.  
    You will break them with an iron scepter, 
    And you will smash them like a piece of pottery.”  
    So now, you kings, show insight; 
    Accept correction, you judges of the earth.  
    Serve Jehovah with fear, 
    And rejoice with trembling.  
    Honor the son, or God will become indignant 
    And you will perish from the way, 
    For His anger flares up quickly.  
    Happy are all those taking refuge in Him."💖
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    You have three children in the truth, correct?
     
    Here are some screenshots from two of the most recent videos posted on jw.org.
     

     
    The governing body is saying that they are the voice of Jesus.
     
    They are also saying that obeying direction from the branch is the way to be saved in the days ahead.
     
    They did a partial quote of a Bible verse: "Your strength will be in showing trust." The part they left out is the trust in Jehovah part. They are saying "trust in the men of the governing body because they are Jesus' voice."
     
    They are wrong about the governing body being Jesus' voice. They are liars. The way to be saved is to trust in Jehovah. Jehovah is obviously not using the governing body as Jesus' voice because they don't even know who the toes on the dream image are, and yet some little unimportant disfellowshipped person from nowhere can understand because Jesus doesn't give the spirit of understanding based on a theocratic resume, that Jehovah may get the glory and Jehovah may be praised.
     
    When the branch gives direction that is in harmony with God's Word, then great, yes, listen to that specific direction that is in harmony with God's Word. "Commit your way to Jehovah" is good advice. Following the scriptures is always good advice.
     
    (There is an assembly scheduled for tomorrow in my circuit. It is called "Jehovah's United Family". I am attending because they are my family, those people that are shunning me. They are foolish for shunning me, (I have kept my integrity) but they are just ignorantly listening to the doctrines of men, and someday they will repent. May Jehovah give me strength. I am attending because it is not unreasonable for men taking the lead to schedule such assemblies, even though I know half of what they teach will be a lie and no one there will talk to me because they will label me worthy of shunning. The men taking the lead are not united nor do they unite families. Jehovah's Word unites families. I do not take my children to the local congregation even though they ended the trespassing ban because I cannot stomach them learning that it is okay to talk to the children but not their own mother, I went once to show I could do it with Jehovah's strength and sang confidently and refused to say "Amen" to the prayer, but I will not go to the local congregation again until the wolves who disfellowshipped me are gone. I will go to the assembly, please pray for me.)
     
    But if the branch gives direction that is not in harmony with God's Word, like to listen to imperfect men ahead of Jehovah's Word, then no, one would not want to listen to that direction. That direction is dangerous. God's Word is the Source of Truth, not the manmade doctrines and decrees of those who brazenly disregard God's Word. "There is no wisdom, nor discernment, nor counsel in opposition to Jehovah. The horse is prepared for the day of battle, But salvation belongs to Jehovah."
     
    If the governing body doesn't even know that the toes of the Nebuchadnezzar dream image are the UN, if the governing body doesn't know that Jesus didn't take the throne in 1914, if the governing body doesn't know that accepting blood fractions is a sin, then how are they going to give direction that helps the congregation during the great tribulation?
     
    @Pudgy, they are the blind leading the blind. They are going to fall into a pit.
     
    When the great tribulation starts, your kids are going to be in shock. They are going to be afraid. They are going to go through a difficult time emotionally because much of what they put their trust in will seem to be shaken. They love Jehovah, yes, but their ways of worshipping Him have been all mixed up with worship of the governing body. We know what that is like - waking up. It's not easy, and it takes time to come to grips with the fact that the governing body has been lying on many things all these years.
     
    A lot of people are going to wake up all at once and they're going to need help not losing faith in Jehovah.
     
    I'm afraid you can't retire, @Pudgy. You're going to be the one who has to help your family because your knowledge of truth is "better" than theirs is. You have practical wisdom, and you have scriptural understanding. They're going to need you. You tell the truth, and they're going to need to hear it.
     
    Summary: Practical application - "Then he said to them: “That being the case, every public instructor who is taught about the Kingdom of the heavens is like a man, the master of the house, who brings out of his treasure store things both new and old.”"
     
    "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our trials so that we may be able to comfort others in any sort of trial with the comfort that we receive from God."
     
















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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    So, how did the King use that information?
    How can I make practical use of that information … I mean …. What? Buy a sky blue UN army helmet?
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    It is so good to hear from you, @Witness!
     
    I am sorry I misunderstood the reason why you weren't commenting. I hope you can figure out a way to comment again soon. Thank you for sharing what you think about.
     
     
    Here is what Jesus said about "holy place" as recorded in Matthew 24:15:
     
    "Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment)..."
     
    Notice that Jesus didn't say "as spoken about by the apostle Paul" or "as spoken about by Moses" or "as spoken about by Ezekiel". 
     
    (Of course, Paul wasn't a Christian yet anyway...) but the point is that many different Bible writers talked about a "holy place". Paul talked about anointed Christians being a living temple, a holy place for God to inhabit. Ezekiel talked about a holy place that was defiled, the temple of old in ancient Jerusalem. Ezekiel also talked about a future temple. Moses talked about the physical tabernacle.
     
    How do we know whether Jesus was talking about a physical "holy place" or a spiritual "holy place"? Do we have to guess?
     
    No. We do not have to guess. Jesus made it clear. "As spoken about in Daniel the prophet." 
     
    Daniel did not talk about any spiritual temple holy place made up of anointed ones. Not even a little bit. Daniel's visions were about world powers and physical people on the earth and the places where they worshipped. When Daniel talked about things going on in heaven, it was always in the context of a dream or a vision - he never talked about physical people on earth "being" a holy place.
     
     
    Similarly, as regards the word "abomination" or the words "disgusting thing", again, the context shows what Jesus was talking about. "As spoken about by Daniel the prophet."
     
    Daniel never talked about an "abomination" or "disgusting thing" being apostate elders in the congregation. 
     
    (True, Paul talked about the abomination of lawless ones sitting as gods in the temple of God, but those verses in Thessalonians are about the lawless apostates taking the lead in the organization, not about the UN. Those apostates in the organization will be removed when religion is attacked, because they will not be protected by Jehovah's angels. Jesus said in Revelation that when he comes he would remove such "Jezebels" - those who misuse their authority in the congregation in order to do wickedness.)
     
    In Daniel chapters 7,8,11, and 12, Daniel references "abominations" or "disgusting things" and all of them are talking about physical governments doing something to a physical holy place or places or physical worshippers. Taken in harmony with what John said in Revelation, the disgusting thing spoken of in Daniel is the United Nations.
     
     
    @Witness, even if the "holy place" of Matthew 24:15 was the anointed, then what you are saying still doesn't make any sense. Some supposed "Gentiles" can't go into an anointed person and interfere with the holy spirit. 
     
    If you think the "holy place" is the spiritual temple, then the physical "Gentiles" can't go in anyway. It's not possible. Either make the "holy place" a physical place or make it a figurative illustration or make it a spiritual place. It can't be both at once.
     
    Here's the thing: Paul talked about a spiritual temple as an illustration. When we go to heaven and take our places in the kingdom, that's when we are part of the illustrative spiritual temple. While we are on earth, we are not "in" a spiritual temple. We are to be living stones, yes, we are being built up, yes, but it's not until after the marriage of the Lamb that the spiritual temple goes into effect. It's not possible.
     
    Jesus is the Great High Priest, and he's already in heaven, but most of the anointed ones are still dead. Some of us are alive, but we're not spirit creatures. You can't have the spiritual temple in place until it's completed. It's not completed until the "stones" are all in place. It's not in place until all the anointed die and all the anointed are resurrected and all the anointed are raised to heaven. And that won't happen until after the fall of Babylon the Great during the great tribulation.
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    @Witness just messaged me! It seems I misunderstood why she has not been able to comment (sorry about that @Witness) - and she has a lot to say on this topic that we are speaking of on this thread - so I will just paste what she said and then respond...
     
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    Okay, @boyley, did you get to eat dessert? Here is something sweet to eat...
     
    "Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb, 
    Sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones."
     
    Jehovah's Word is sweet.
     
    "How sweet your sayings are to my palate, 
    More so than honey to my mouth!"
     
     
     I believe everything that Jehovah has written down in His Word. Jehovah is trustworthy. 
     
    Here is something definitely true:
     
    "For the senseless one will speak nonsense, 
    And his heart will devise harmful things, 
    To promote apostasy and to speak what is wayward against Jehovah, 
    To cause the hungry one to go unfed 
    And to deprive the thirsty one of something to drink.  
    The devices of the unprincipled man are bad; 
    He promotes shameful conduct 
    To ruin the afflicted one with lies, 
    Even when the poor speaks what is right."
     
    Here is something Jesus said: “O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you? How long must I put up with you?"
     
    Here is something Jehovah said: "As for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death." I know Jehovah will do what He says.
     
    Some people think it's fun to lie, but it's really not a good idea (unless you like hanging out in an abyss...)
     
    "Look at the one who is pregnant with wickedness; 
    He conceives trouble and gives birth to lies.  
    He excavates a pit and digs it deep, 
    But he falls into the very hole he made."
     
     
    That's your opinion. 😬
     
     
    I really don't understand your question here, @boyle. In Bible prophecy, the UN is depicted as a beast, but it's just an illustration. It's not literal. There is not a real physical multi-headed beast monster running around - I know some people teach that, but it's not true, so you don't have to be afraid. And if you want to know if the great tribulation started, you could do the "window test" like @Pudgy suggests. 
     
    So far, when I look outside there's no great tribulation, but you could look out your own window, so I don't know why you keep asking me. Just look out your window. Why do you keep asking me anyways? (You must think I'm some kind of prophet or something?)
     
    Jesus is the prophet to follow. Here is what he said: "When evening falls, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is fire-red,’  and in the morning, ‘It will be wintry, rainy weather today, for the sky is fire-red but gloomy.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret." A wicked and adulterous generation keeps seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah.” With that he went away, leaving them behind."
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    "Then the men said to Lot: “Do you have anyone else here? Sons-in-law, your sons, your daughters, and all your people in the city, bring out of this place!  For we are going to destroy this place, because the outcry against them has indeed grown great before Jehovah, so that Jehovah sent us to destroy the city.”  So Lot went out and began to speak to his sons-in-law who were to marry his daughters, and he kept saying: “Get up! Get out of this place, because Jehovah will destroy the city!” But to his sons-in-law, he seemed to be joking."
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    You are MUCH too sensitive for good mental health. You worry about things over which you have NO CONTROL.
    Stop it!

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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    "And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace—but now they have been hidden from your eyes.  Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side.  They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” (😭Bethel is our Jerusalem💔)
     
    "Then he entered the temple and started to throw out those who were selling,  saying to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a cave of robbers.”"
     
    (I do cry over Bethel a lot...But thank you for trying to make me laugh, @Pudgy🥲😊 It would be bad to "blow up" from the type of upset-ness like in that cartoon, lol😆)
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    I absolutely do not think that the Governing Body or Elders are in anyway “taking a stand against God“ when they go beyond what is written.
    I think it’s done out of ignorance because of the intense pressure of  basic organizational survival, and misplaced agenda driven loyalty, because they realize the importance of being loyal to God, but it’s not really clear in their/our minds how to do it.
    All people have different levels of confidence and competence in their abilities.
    …. but, as is so often the case it’s not what they know that’s important, it’s what they think they know, and are absolutely sure that they know, which is wrong.
    My three children, to the best of my knowledge are absolutely 100% committed to the organization and its teachings.
    The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
    One is an Elder in Texas. All three are model Citizens. 
    They are doing much better than I in almost every measurable way.
    This is multiplied by a factor of about 2.5 million globally in improving peoples’ lives.
    That is why in my not so humble opinion, the Watchtower Bible and Tracy Society is humanitie’s best bet for being good citizens, blameless in every respect, and to become friends of God.
    Yes, policies and procedures and some theology is in serious, serious need of reform, but Jehovah knows who is His, from within or without, and JWs are civilization’s best bet for survival and prosperity.
    Yes, I am disfellowshipped, but facts are facts …. and the fact is that this time is no different than when the Jews fell away from  serving Jehovah in a very big way, and He still claimed them until it was HIS TIME FOR A CHANGE.
    Collateral damage is an unavoidable fact of warfare, and any religious group over 200 people with real estate.
    ….. get used to it.
     
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    Who are the two oldest "elders" anyway? What Does the Bible Really Teach?
     
    “I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.  A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him. A thousand thousands kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The Court took its seat, and books were opened."
     
    "And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel, Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.  So he will give them up Until the time that she who is to give birth has given birth.  And the rest of his brothers will return to the people of Israel. He will stand up and shepherd in the strength of Jehovah, In the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God.  And they will dwell in security, For now his greatness will reach the ends of the earth.  And he will bring peace."
     
    Jehovah, the Ancient of Days
    Jesus, whose origin is from ancient times
     
    The eldest of the elders.
     
    Always obey those elders. The authority of Jesus and Jehovah is more than the authority of any other elder on earth. Praise Jehovah.
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    "Elder" means "older brother". I know who my real older brothers are. (The ones who act like older brothers, for real. 🙂)
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    …. Straight answer eh?

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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    I am all for Bible morality. You will always get a straight answer from me.😁
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    boyle reacted to Pudgy in The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great   
    ….. that’s why they were Stooges …
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in need member this platform   
    Jehovah's standards.
     
    Jehovah is the Author of the Bible, and "we must obey God as ruler rather than men" when those men teach things that are in opposition to God's Word.
     
    The WTBTS corporation currently embraces many teachings that are not in harmony with God's Word. Thus, we are wise to listen to the specific direction from the organization when they teach what is in harmony with God's Word and reject the specific direction from the organization when it is not in harmony with God's Word. 
     
    "Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God."
     
     
    You're still here, @Moise Racette/ @boyle/@Zackary/ @Allen Smith/ @Dmitar/ @Wally McNasty / etc/etc/etc...so obviously you have been allowed to continue expressing your opinion. You only get zapped when you cross the line, and then you just "reincarnate" yourself with a new name/personality. So I don't know what you're complaining about.
     
     
    I am a fan of free speech, but I am not a fan of hateful speech, so while I would prefer people didn't get removed in general, I am glad when they are removed for using raunchy-icky language that better suits a house of ill-repute than a forum set aside for discussing religious topics.
     
    I do not use raunchy-icky language like you do, @boyle/@MoiseRacette/@esa... Perhaps if you spoke in a slightly more genteel manner and less like a drunken sailor you wouldn't get deleted so often, but that is your prerogative. I think you must enjoy making up new profiles and personalities, and you must be kind of lonely - I feel bad for you and I don't mind talking to you as long as you behave.
     
    You know very well that @Witness is a different person than me. @Witness is a follower of Pearl Doxsey, and I am not. I didn't know @Witness until I first spoke with her on here a few months ago. She private messaged me to let me know the administrator froze her abilities to comment, but that didn't have anything to do with me. I like talking with @Witness, even though I don't agree with what she believes on many things, I am proud of her for being willing to keep her integrity to what she believes.
     
     
    @Pudgy is not a bully; he is very tolerant of you, as I am tolerant of you as well. The description of the Jehovah's Witnesses Club is "News and discussion regarding JW.org, Watchtower, IBSA including current events and historical items of interest." Most of what I share is Bible verses. If you consider sharing Bible verses to be "bullying" and "insulting" then I don't know how you can get through reading any of the Bible at all without feeling overly self-condemned, and I feel sorry for you.
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    boyle reacted to John 12.24to28 in need member this platform   
    Ha! 😆 It seems the dragonslayer types are more prevalent roaming in the open forum (where there are dragons, there will be dragonslayers...) 
     
    Personally, I think it'd be easier to do the three year wooden boat stint slaying monsters than to get back in the good-graces of the WTBTS Corporation (I have no desire to embrace false teachings or bow to men who promote disobedience to Jehovah); thus I guess I will never "qualify" to receive the "love and hospitality" of the "brothers" who restrict their affections to only "Corporation-approved Witnesses" in the Closed Club. 
     
    "Let your love be without hypocrisy."
     
    "We have opened our mouth to speak to you, Corinthians, and we have opened wide our heart.  We are not restricted in our affections for you, but you are restricted in your own tender affections for us.  So in response—I speak as to my children—you too open your hearts wide."
     
    "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts fear out, because fear restrains us. Indeed, the one who is fearful has not been made perfect in love.  We love, because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.  And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother."
     
    (I think a lot of people are afraid of battling "dragons" just like they're afraid of the Corporation - what they don't know is that even a little kid can wield the sword of the spirit, that is, God's Word. Also, when the Corporation is smashed, Love will remain, and many will learn to extend their affection beyond the restrictions of what is written in the "OD" book. Praise Jehovah!)
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