boyle

I cannot give a Biblical fact on your statement: "how the resurrection and Babylon the Great mean the anointed will be resurrected during Satan's fight of Armageddon" because the Bible doesn't say that and neither did I.
 
I said quite clearly that the Bible shows the anointed will be resurrected after Babylon the Great falls but before Armageddon. If you want to reread the thread, go ahead, the scriptures to support the fact that the anointed will be resurrected after Babylon the Great falls but before Armageddon comes are there.
 
And Kosonen's original post title is "The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great" so the fact that the anointed will be resurrected after Babylon the Great falls but before Armageddon comes does fit with what he said in the title. 
 
Thank you, Boyle, for being so concerned about truth and clarity.
 
I am trying to take a little "vacation" from forums for a week, @Boyle, but I didn't change my notifications setting so I got your post in my inbox. Anyway, I hope you have a good evening.

Well, @boyle I guess you'll have to let me know some other time...
 
Since this thread was about the heavenly resurrection happening after the fall of Babylon the Great, and at present we are talking about pyramids and Egypt and Aztecs, I was thinking how sad it is that so many people died not knowing the truth about the resurrection. Both the Egyptians and the Aztecs thought there were several invisible parts of the soul (ka, ba, akh; tonalli, teyolia, ihiyotl) and they were completely tricked by the Babylonish teachings initially spouted by the snake in the garden: "you positively will not die." Since then, how many have been duped into thinking people die and then are raised up invisibly!
 
We know about the history of pyramid-lovers in the organization. Too bad not more people realize that there are other related false teachings in the organization regarding the afterlife that are holdover from Babylon the Great. (Like the one about "when you're resurrected it will be invisible". None of the resurrections in the Bible happened invisibly. I wonder where that teaching came from? Oh, wait, I already know! I think you do, too...😁)
 
Anyway, I hope you guys have a nice week. I will be offline here for a week. Take care! ☺️

Here is another set of verses that helps us to understand the timing of the heavenly resurrection:
 
"And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.  (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.  Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."
 
It says that the anointed "had not worshipped the wild beast or its image". 
 
The image of the wild beast is the UN.
 
The UN hasn't come to power completely yet.
 
The anointed will still be on earth during most of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation. They will keep their integrity during this time by remaining loyal to Christ Jesus as king. They will not worship the UN.
 
After most of the great tribulation has occurred, after the UN is the world power for a portion of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation, after the UN has "killed" the remaining anointed, then they will all be resurrected. First the 144,000 will be resurrected here on earth as spirit creatures with materialized bodies. Then they will ascend to heaven and fight alongside Jesus at the battle of Armageddon against Jehovah's enemies.
 
Then the anointed and Jesus will interact with those on earth to work toward making Jehovah's will come true. The anointed and Jesus will use materialized bodies to interact with their brothers on earth, because that's what Jesus did before he ascended to heaven and he told the man next to him on the torture stake "I will be with you in Paradise."
 
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.  I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.  And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”"
 
Praise Jehovah, Our Father, the God of Truth and Love.💖

I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. It is not right to desire something that does not belong to us. We all have to fight wrong desires. Every person on earth needs to fight against wrong desires. If we fall, we get up again. The ransom is enough. We just have to keep going forward. We can't change the past, but the future is so bright...don't give up, please, don't give up on Jehovah. He hasn't given up on you. He loves you.💖

(If you decide to come out of the closet, @Boyle, I will still talk to you. I don't shun people. I have faith in Jesus' ransom blood. But if you decide to keep wearing masks, that's your prerogative. I can tell you must be scared. You don't need to be afraid. Jehovah already knows everything, and He says the ransom is enough for you if you want it.) 

@boyle, I am sorry about your issues with your mother, and the Bible doesn't say it's wrong for a man to love another man (it's just the physical homosexual acts that are unclean because they are not natural). I know you are angry and you keep coming back on here with different faces. Please know you are loved, and if you ever decide to get over your anger and stop putting on fake faces, it will be easier for others to give you the friendship and affection you need.
 
(Also, I don't know if you do requests, but some of your personalities are much easier to get along with than others. I definitely didn't care for that Australian bloke you were pretending to be. Your Moise Racette was annoying but more tolerable than the esd-guy. Maybe sometime you'll add in a Caribbean accent or try a New York Bronx type speech, or perhaps Lingala or Ukrainian or New Zealander? I must say, kudos for being able to switch gears so quickly. Have you been an actor at some point professionally? Or maybe an author? Can you imagine if you and True Tom Harley wrote books together! Yikes! 😆)
 
Someday I hope you can have peace.💝

No, no, no, brother. The forum you're looking for is the JW Closed Club, not this one. This forum is controlled mainly by disfellowshipped and apostates. 
Ask to be accepted there. If not, the best one is JWtalks. A far better community. I personally enrolled here to research apostasy. 
There is a site called, Jehovahs-Witness.com. Never go there. The nastiest, ex-witnesses control that site.
There is this one former Jehovah's witness that decided to come out of the closet as gay. He faded away. That guy is so angry with his mother for a reason she doesn't understand since she wasn't shunning him. The hilarious part, he started shunning her. Now that he married his gay lover, he wants nothing to do with his life giver. He hates her with a passion. She still doesn't understand. Like I said, she never rejected him. But that's the mentality of some former members.
So, definitely stay away from that site. Have peace, my brother. Look for better sites. Take care, agape!

And I was wondering what you think about these things, since you asked the questions.

I know you believe in reincarnation @boyle/MoiseRacette/AllenSmith/etc/etc/etc, but this thread was originally about the heavenly resurrection. (By the way, you never did say if you liked my banana jokes.) Did you have any more comments or questions about the heavenly resurrection taking place after Babylon's fall?

As you quoted me, it is a two way street. Your declaration was a lie, as you just confirmed.

You failed your test with evasion.
No.

Ok, I will take that at face value …..
Where are you generally located?
How long have you been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Are you married?
Do you have pets or hobbies?
How many are in your Congregation? 
 
etc., etc., etc.
(.. and yes, this is a test …)

I am a guest here, as you also are a guest here.
 

I have absolutely no control over anyone in this club, nor do I want any. It’s not my call … or even my interest.
I am allowed to upvote, or express my opinion that your opinion is a load of crap.
If you want to do the same to me, I have no objection ….. but it IS a two-way street.

Yes, the way you want to do it would be available on IRC, with the “Igloo” iPhone App, on the DALNET network, in the “Christiandebate” chat room. There are usually about 20 or so regulars there, and when I was there for 15 or more years got into some intense knock-down drag-out debates. It works better on a PC using the program MIRC, which is incredibly versatile. Same addresses.
There are chat rooms for JWs, Baptists, Catholics, Pacifists, Nazis, and people discussing carnal knowledge of oysters and squids be you so inclined. Years ago DALNET had about 20,000 different topic chat rooms.
It is not for the timid, and much like hand to hand combat, figuratively, you can get chewed up if you try to BS them, or cannot prove your premises.
I stop by every 3 years or so … same ol’ crowd, and I am only one of two who believe JW core beliefs, and they are always happy to see me. I challenge everything they believe … a battle ensues.
Good times for all!
(… conversations I had in 1997 are still being copied and bouncing around the Internet  -  I checked.)
 

… this is from the ChatGBT AI.



 
If you want, you can start your own chat room or “channel” for free, with whatever topic you want, and as owner and creator, set whatever rules you want, with the means to discipline or eject as you see fit.

(Spirit creatures don't need to sleep, but I do. Hope you guys have a good rest of your night.🙂)

… and it begins, again ….

I don't know what you are talking about. Jehovah is "Our Father", not our taskmaster/business-manager. You don't have to ask His "permission" to be His witness. You're getting it mixed up. We witness because He gives us the holy spirit; we don't witness because we fill out a request form permission slip and follow a flowchart. We witness because we love Him and what He stands for and because we're proud of Him. We don't carry Jehovah's name. He carries us.
 
 
A business corporation can't be one of Jehovah's witnesses. A business corporation can't love anybody. A business corporation is an imperfect man-made institution with roots in this world. It is not made in God's image. It is not set up like a family. It is set up like a business corporation. If you can't see the discrepancy, you must be blind. There's a lot of that blindness-thing going around these days, but Jesus will open everybody's eyes soon enough.
 
 
The Pharisees had "the right" to do business in the temple by means of their own laws. Jesus came to show them that their laws were not approved by God. Jesus will also show how God feels about the business corporation aspect of all those who claim to be Jehovah's witnesses.
 
 
Being one of Jehovah's witnesses is not a matter of being written down on a manmade list somewhere. David was still a witness of Jehovah when he was living in the wilderness, even though King Saul who sat on Jehovah's throne considered David a fugitive and a criminal. David still had Jehovah's holy spirit during that time. Jehovah knows who belongs to Him.
 
 
"sue, verb - TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST, take to court, bring an action against; charge, prosecute, prefer/bring charges against, bring to trial, summons, indict, arraign." (Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus)
 
Jesus, for one.
 
Countless faithful anointed ones throughout the centuries (we mentioned Wycliffe earlier for example.)
 
How many faithful witnesses of Jehovah have been taken to court in the congregation setting judicial process and disfellowshipped for maintaining integrity to what the Bible says?
 
If you say you haven't heard of any of these things, I will say you are not only blind but also need your hearing checked. 
 
 
Yes, by the Beloved One, Jehovah, and His Faithful Witness Jesus Who Always Judges Righteously Just Like His Father.💖

Nothing about what I said even remotely suggested that.

Amen! ☺️
 
"There is something distressing that I have seen under the sun, the sort of mistake made by those in power:  Foolishness is put in many high positions, but the rich remain in low positions. I have seen servants on horseback but princes walking on foot just like servants."
 
I have seen many immature prideful tyrants "serve" as "elders" and I have seen many brave and loving mature older brothers "not serving" as "elders". 
 
Jehovah can distinguish between the title and the man.
 
So can some of the sheep (mostly the ones that got bit by the wolves).
 
Jacob had twelve sons. Ten of them attempted to murder or were complicit in the kidnapping of their brother Joseph, because their works were wicked and his were righteous. Later, Joseph and Jacob forgave those ten wicked men, and all of them got an inheritance in the promised land. Joseph helped feed them and their families. The foundation of Israel includes those ten sons who earlier wanted Joseph dead.
 
The ransom blood is enough for all of us. The family will be healed. May Jehovah be praised for the riches of His undeserved kindness.

It would take 100,000 words to respond to that in a fair to everybody manner … so I guess we all need forgiveness for our sins of commission … and omission, which are many. Besides, it would just be “for the record”, anyway.
That’s why I never aspired to be an Elder.

Jehovah doesn't need anyone's permission to send someone as one of His Witnesses.
 
Jehovah's name doesn't belong to a corporation. It belongs to Jehovah.
 
If a corporation wants to say they represent Jehovah, and then Jehovah sends a witness who doesn't belong to that corporation, does the corporation have the right to sue Jehovah because one of His witnesses told the truth? When they sue one of His witnesses, it's like they are suing Jehovah. (Jesus also said "you did it to them, you did it to me.)
 
Jehovah is the True God, and the God of Truth. When witnesses speak truth, they are representing Jehovah.
 
When members of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses sue Jehovah's witnesses for telling the truth, how do you think that is going to work out for them? 
 
(I guess they'll see how that works out for them when Jesus comes.)

If you don't already know the answer to that question, True Tom, then I have no idea how you passed the questions for baptism.
 
(I can see all those questions for baptism in the OD book aren't having the desired result. Oh, well, the disciples in the first century didn't even have a Bible when they were baptized. Good thing pretty soon Jesus will come and remove all those Pharisaical traditions in the organization that don't seem to be working anyway.)

Jesus was of course perfect, an attribute that “Kevin McFree”, does not possess.
If they both made a paper mache volcano in  5th grade science class, Jesus’s volcano would spit real ash and lava.
Jesus’s two brothers used to complain to Mary that she loved Jesus more because “… he’s just so PERFECT!”