Fausto Hoover

Man, if that's persecution then I've got it easy, lol!😂
 
(I've been through some forms of persecution...I wouldn't call this persecution - it's playtime, kind of like that Whac-A-Mole game at the fair!)
 
 
 
 

It’s been my observation that Audrey has been completely forthright with everybody, every time, however those with extreme agenda driven reading comprehension problems, who don’t actually completely read what she has written of course will not  think so.
…. that is what agenda driven thinking is.
What you are doing Manny, is persecuting a woman, because you can.

Yes, I can guarantee you before God that He has not disfellowshipped me. ☺️ Got anymore personal questions? Lol...
 
"But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code."
 
(Romans 2:29)
 
"...received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!”  The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children."
 
(Romans 8:15,16)
 
"By your relationship with him, you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands by stripping off the fleshly body, by the circumcision that belongs to the Christ."
 
(Colossians 2:11)
 
It's kinda personal to ask what it feels like to be "circumcised" - I mean, even for physical circumcision it's not something you go around asking people "hey, are you really circumcised?" But I don't mind talking about the circumcision of the heart if you really want to talk about that. 
 
 
John describes those ones here:
 
"Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.  They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort."
 
(1 John 2:18,19)
 
They were anointed and baptized into Christ, but they have been dis-fellowshipped from the Christ by means of their leaving the truth as taught by the Bible and instead teaching their false doctrines. Even though such ones may have a prominent position in the organization, they do not fool the Christ - he knows those belonging to him and when he comes everyone else will know too.
 
 
That you don't comprehend the sacred secret is clear to me, but by all means, continue with your presentation, this is entertaining. 😃

I have not deceived you, but the GB is deceiving people about many things, which will be very obvious to the entire world soon enough.
 
"Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.  He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god."
 
(2 Thessalonians 2:3,4)
 
"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence."
 
(2 Thessalonians 2:8)
 
"The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness,  and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.  At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen."
 
(Matthew 13:31-43)
 
When Jesus receives the kingdom shortly he will remove the lawless ones from the organization, those ones who are claiming to be "leaders" but are only leading the flock into falsehood. They have not been removed yet. They are still publicly showing themselves to be "gods" by means of their self-exaltation and misapplication of the illustration about a faithful and discreet slave - they turn it into a title, which is not what Jesus intended at all.
 

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I can see you haven't done much research into the financial holdings of the organization.

By saying that the kingdom started in 1914 (even though it didn't) and by claiming to be representatives of that "invisible" kingdom, "stars in Jesus' hand", those taking the lead in the organization accumulated a mass of power and control over the lives of millions, and claimed to do it in the name of God.
 
(How do you think Jehovah feels about that?)
 
True, there has been good accomplished by the organization, just like there was good accomplished in Israel even though polygamy was tolerated and slavery was regulated and animals were sacrificed, but when Jesus gets here he's going to set things straight and a lot of what the congregations think is "normal" is going to be completely thrown out the window.
 
Praise Jehovah.😁

🤣
 
 
Read Daniel chapter 4. There is not one thing in there about a modern fulfillment. There is not one thing in there about weeks of years or some kind of crazy cutting off of Israelite rulership with the Messiah coming in a mysterious numerology puzzle.
 
Jesus said his kingdom was no part of this world, if it was the Jews would have fought that he not be delivered up. Why would the line of mostly corrupt Jewish kings stand for the heavenly government? The "rulership interrupted" theory that the Watchtower teaches is flawed. Jesus said his kingdom was not of the Jewish line. 
 
Putin is the King of the North. He wasn't born yet in 1914. Daniel chapters 11 and 12 show us that Jesus would get the throne in heaven around the time the King of the North was coming to his end, so obviously it wasn't in 1914 or even in the 1950s or at any point from 1900-1999 because Putin didn't become a leader until the 2000s, and not until recently does he seem to have no helper but he still hasn't come to his end yet.
 
 
I wouldn't call any of Satan's subjects "loyal"...they are selfish and get something out of sticking with him, but it's not out of loyalty that they do it.
 
"But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."
 
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
 
The Bible shows there would be some taking the lead in the congregation who deceived others by means of the operation of Satan. Satan, the ruler of the world, is the one who was behind the war in 1914. He was also the one behind the false prophecies about 1914, which is obvious, since it was based on pyramidology (duh - talk about demonic 🙄)
 
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.  It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works."
 
(2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

No, you are not correct. Jehovah's holy spirit is evidence that I still have fellowship with Him by means of His Son.
 
"I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever remains in union with me and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; for apart from me you can do nothing at all."
 
(John 15:5)
 
"For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.  For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!”  The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children."
 
(Romans 8:13-16)
 
"I am telling the truth in Christ; I am not lying, as my conscience bears witness with me in holy spirit..."
 
(Romans 9:1)
 
 
The Pharisees used to accuse others of the things the Pharisees were actually guilty of. I wonder why they did that?
 
 
I thought that's what you were doing - charging honest people with false worship. What "commission" are you talking about specifically? Here is what the scriptures say about false shepherds in the congregation...
 
"...certain men have slipped in among you who were long ago appointed to this judgment by the Scriptures; they are ungodly men who turn the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for brazen conduct and who prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ."
 
(Jude 4)
 
"Too bad for them, for they have followed the path of Cain and have rushed into the erroneous course of Baʹlaam for reward, and they have perished in the rebellious talk of Korʹah!  These are the rocks hidden below water at your love feasts while they feast with you, shepherds who feed themselves without fear; waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind; fruitless trees in late autumn, having died twice and having been uprooted;  wild waves of the sea that cast up the foam of their own shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever."
 
(Jude 11-13)
 
 
(It's so funny how you keep describing your character with every line! "False presentation"😆 I think @Pudgy said we'd get an award or something...I think it's a reward to play this game, it's fun😃)
 
The Bible says we must be thankful to Jehovah and obey God as ruler rather than man when men tell us something that is not in harmony with God's will. Here is what the publications say...

 
(There were more, but I got bored...)
 
 
I believe what is written in God's Word:
 
"Now we are giving you instructions, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother who is walking disorderly and not according to the tradition that you received from us.  For you yourselves know how you should imitate us, because we did not behave in a disorderly way among you,  nor did we eat anyone’s food free. On the contrary, by labor and toil we were working night and day so as not to impose an expensive burden on any one of you.  Not that we do not have authority, but we wanted to offer ourselves as an example for you to imitate.  In fact, when we were with you, we used to give you this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”  For we hear that some are walking disorderly among you, not working at all, but meddling with what does not concern them.  To such people we give the order and exhortation in the Lord Jesus Christ that they should work quietly and eat food they themselves earn. For your part, brothers, do not give up in doing good.  But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed.  And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother."
 
(2 Thessalonians 3:6-15)
 
I don't know about those other people today who claimed to be commissioned, but the Bible shows that Jesus directly commissioned Paul.
 
Paul said those doing the work should earn their own keep. If they didn't, they were to be marked as disorderly and withdrawn from. The whole "marking" business wasn't the way it is in the congregation today - "marking" meant noticing somebody who wanted to be catered to at the expense of the congregation, like the circuit overseers and Bethelites and GB today. We should keep admonishing those ones as brothers to get a job and stop mooching off others.
 
 
 
 

Aw, all my puppet friends always get deleted! Lol...
 

 
 

That’s why I never wanted to be an Elder or anything.
If you screw up as GB, as an example, with being a “Guardian of The Doctrine”, you can destroy tens of thousands of lives if you get it wrong ….. in one 18 paragraph Watchtower article.
Of all the times that being wrong has resulted in “New Light”, never once have the writers apologized for ruining peoples lives with “Old Light”.
Please correct me if you can prove I am wrong.

Then they get a prize! 😃
 
"Let no man deprive you of the prize who takes delight in a false humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen. He is actually puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind,  and he is not holding fast to the head, to the one through whom the whole body is supplied and harmoniously joined together by means of its joints and ligaments and made to grow with the growth that is from God."
 
(Colossians 2:18,19)
 
The treatment of the GB as if they are higher or like "angels" with some kind of superpowers is not what Jesus had in mind for the congregation. Jesus is the head of the congregation, not a committee of imperfect men.

Here is confirmation from the scripture in Hebrews 13:17 showing why the GB should not be worshipped...
 
"Obey your leaders and defer to them, for they are on the alert night and day in behalf of your souls, expecting to have to account for them; in order that they may do that with gladness, not with groans, for this would not pay you."
 
(Hebrews 13:17, Byington)
 
"Be yielding unto them who are guiding you and submit yourselves; For they are watching over your souls as having an account to render, That with joy the same they may be doing and not with sighing,—For unprofitable unto you were this."
 
(Hebrews 13:17, Rotherham)
 
"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you."
 
(Hebrews 13:17, NWT)
 
"Be responsive to your pastoral leaders. Listen to their counsel. They are alert to the condition of your lives and work under the strict supervision of God. Contribute to the joy of their leadership, not its drudgery. Why would you want to make things harder for them?"
 
(Hebrews 13:17, The Message Bible)
 
There is a difference between a "leader" in the Christian congregation and a "stranger" in the Christian congregation.
 
The above verses qualify what a "leader" looks like: 
 
(1) "Alert night and day in behalf of your souls"
(2) "Guiding you"
(3) "Taking the lead among you"
(4) "Pastoral leaders" who give "counsel" and are "alert to the condition of your lives and work under the strict supervision of God."
 
Can a group of men who live far far away from the local congregation truly be alert night and day in behalf of our souls? Is it possible for a shepherd to keep watch over the local flock if he is living in another state or another country? It is not possible. A true "leader" according to this verse is one who personally knows the sheep and who personally stays awake to guard the soul of that sheep and who is among the sheep on a regular basis. The men at Bethel are not "leaders" they are "strangers". Just because their face is on the video screen doesn't mean they know us. They are strangers to us.
 
"...the one who enters through the door is the shepherd of the sheep.  The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.  When he has brought all his own out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice.  They will by no means follow a stranger but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers."
 
(John 10:2-5)
 
If a man doesn't know each sheep by name, then he is not the leader of that sheep, he is a stranger. Jesus said to Not Listen to Strangers.
 
Do the members of the governing body know you by name? Do the people at the branch? In the service department? Not just a name on a piece of paper or a computer screen, but by name as in they know you, they keep awake to guard your soul and consider you part of their assignment, interacting with you personally on a regular basis? Not likely. It is not possible for an imperfect man who is living that far away from a congregation to take care of the sheep in that way. It's the local brothers if they shepherd properly, not the GB, who are to be obeyed in the sense of this verse.
 
The local brothers who know the flock should have the flexibility to use their Bible trained consciences and good judgment to help the local sheep. The local shepherds should not be hamstrung by having to adhere to made up stuff coming down from headquarters people who have no clue what is going on locally. 
 
Can a man run his family from overseas? Will his family function well that way? Those men in Bethel have no business making themselves out to be "leaders" from so far away. That's not the way Jesus set things up.
 
The GB/Bethel has become the clergy class of the organization. They are paid. (How much does your room and board and insurance and medical care cost you? How much does it cost them?) They dictate manmade doctrines and enforce them with a ban against anyone who doesn't bow down. That is not what is supposed to happen according to Hebrews 13:17.
 
Sheep will obey a real shepherd. The real shepherds get punished by the GB when they follow the example of the Christ and use thinking ability rather than flowcharts/elder manual. Jesus is coming to remedy the situation soon. Thank God.
 

Yes.☺️

There is no need for two covenants in the way you are describing, because it is one family.
 
If Adam and Eve had been faithful, their kids would inherit everything that belonged to Adam and Eve. They'd all live together on the earth. Adam would be the oldest family head. He was supposed to stay alive and share his knowledge and his home, the whole earth.
 
Adam wasn't faithful. Jesus took his place. Jesus is old, so he could actually take Adam's place and be able to share information. It wouldn't be fitting for someone younger than Adam to take his place, because ideally the eldest should the lead in helping the younger, and share what they know.
 
When Jesus takes Adam's place, Jesus inherits all the children. There is no need for another covenant. The "bride" is a new creation that becomes "one flesh" with the Christ in a figurative way that is similar to a wife with her husband, a helper, to take care of the kids. The kids don't need to be in the covenant, or marriage, contract, because they are the fruits of that contract. They are the precious ones. They are the whole reason for the marriage.
 
There would be no need for the new covenant if it wasn't for the children on earth. The whole thing is for the purpose of giving them everything, the "other sheep". That's the whole reason for all of this. The other sheep are the real "Benefactors" but it's not in the sense the world uses the word, it's in that they are the ones primarily benefiting from the covenant. They are the ones who are going to be ministered to, waited on, served. It's the opposite of what is portrayed in a lot of publications.
 
 

None are "benefactors" in the sense of being like worldly kings.
 
Luke 22:25,26
 
"But he said to them: “The kings of the nations lord it over them, and those having authority over them are called Benefactors.  You, though, are not to be that way. But let the one who is the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the one taking the lead as the one ministering."
 
 

The New covenant is not part of the Kingdom covenant, but they are related.
 
Everyone who lives forever on earth will benefit from the New Covenant, but that does not make them part of the covenant, partakers of the covenant.
 
The New Covenant was to make a New Creation that could be married to Jesus figuratively. The New Covenant was Jehovah adopting the 144,000 as a New Creation so they could be the same "kind" of creature as Jesus. The Kingdom Covenant is like the engagement contract between Jesus and the 144,000.
 
Anyone who is not part of the "Kingdom covenant" does not need to be in the new covenant because they are figurative children of those already in the covenant. In other words, they are adopted as kids of Christ and the figurative bride. They inherit everything. The relationship with God, the relationship with Jesus, the earth. Everything. Since Jesus is clean, the children are clean.
 
"now they are holy"
 
1 Corinthians 7:14
 
"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy."
 
The "great crowd" of Revelation are those who learn about God and want to go with God's people during the great tribulation.
 
The "Israel" in Revelation are all those who know God and love Him and believe in Jesus at present. The "Israel" in that context is not just the firstfruits. The "Israel" of Revelation is the same as the 12 tribes referred to when Jesus told those in the Kingdom covenant they would judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel just means all "God's people" on earth in that context.
 
The "144,000" in Revelation are the "firstfruits", a new creation and become the figurative "bride" of Christ.
 
1 Kings 3:24-27
 
"The king said: “Bring me a sword.” So they brought a sword to the king.  The king then said: “Cut the living child in two, and give half to one woman and half to the other.”  At once the woman whose son was the living one pleaded with the king, for her compassions were stirred toward her son. She said: “Please, my lord! You should give her the living child! By no means put him to death!” But the other woman was saying: “He will be neither mine nor yours! Let them cut him in two!”  At that the king answered: “Give the living child to the first woman! By no means put him to death, for she is his mother.”"
 
The GB are either fake anointed or they are horribly grieving the holy spirit. No "mother" would cut off their own kids the way the GB does with their wicked disfellowshipping doctrine.
 
1 John 2:26-29
 
"I write you these things about those who are trying to mislead you.  And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but the anointing from him is teaching you about all things and is true and is no lie. Just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.  So now, little children, remain in union with him, so that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not shrink away from him in shame at his presence.  If you know that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born from him."
 
Paul described his deep inward emotions toward people:
 
"In fact, you know that we never used flattering speech or put on any false front with greedy motives; God is witness!  Nor have we been seeking glory from men, either from you or from others, though we could be an expensive burden as apostles of Christ.  On the contrary, we became gentle in your midst, as when a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children.  So having tender affection for you, we were determined to impart to you, not only the good news of God but also our very selves, because you became so beloved to us."
 
Anyone who is going to be part of a "bride" needs to have the desire to wait on the children of the husband. A "bride" doesn't expect to be catered to by the children, or worshipped by the children. 
 
It's just an illustration, but it's the same feeling as the deep emotional attachment, the desire to protect and nourish, the same as the deep longing a mother has for the child forming in the womb.
 
Galatians 4:19
 
"my little children, for whom I am again experiencing birth pains until Christ is formed in you"
 
Any person can have such deep feelings for other people. But especially should someone claiming to be "anointed" have them.
 
Luke 12:48
 
"Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him."

In order to be able to discern whether what GB is saying and doing is meaningful, it is not necessary to strive for special benchmarks or standards in theological or biblical terms.
Propaganda programs on JWTV and statements of GB members before various secular bodies, along with written texts distributed to the clergy class aka elders and the lay members class aka rank and files members, show that they do not deserve to be trusted.
For example WTJWorg publications and other digital content repeat the litany that they are the only ones to whom God reveals His truth and that they are the only "channel". On the other hand, G. Jackson claims before judge of ARC that they are not the only ones who are God's spokesperson. The double personality of G. Jackson or is it really the true spiritual and mental state of the collective GB as the main ecclesiastical body? 
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35 Q. And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's
36 spokespeople on earth?
37 A. That I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to
38 say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using.
Notice, the lawyer did not ask him if they were the only ones on earth who spoke for God. But the GB anointed himself found it necessary to say just that, they are not the only ones.

"The "great crowd" of "other sheep" that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the "little flock" of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31
 
"They recognize that they are not spiritual Israelites in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, nor part of the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation."-1 Pet. 2:9. Yet they do benefit from the operation of the new covenant. They benefit from this just as, in ancient Israel, the "alien resident" benefited from residing in among the Israelites who were in the Law covenant.-Ex. 20:10; Lev. 19:10, 33, 34; Rev. 7:9-15. To keep in relationship with "our Savior, God," the "great crowd" needs to remain united with the remnant of spiritual Israelites." Watchtower 1979 Nov 15 p.27 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men

Regardless of whether we would agree on whether something is a core teaching or not, the more important thing is whether a core teaching is correctly explained or is it just a nonsensical interpretation. 
WRJWorg GB has proven many times that it has no basis to call itself a chosen or appointed spokesman of God who distributes spiritual food in the name of God at the right, proper time, while at the same time saying that it is normal to be imperfect and to distribute imperfect (incorrect) spiritual food to people who believe them unconditionally.
 

Well - we are taught not to but some still do..... which is a human fault for those who do not understand.  One person told me: we have an anointed in our congregation , would you like to know who it is?   I said no -because I like to treat all the same.