George88

You don’t want to know. They’re holding a ice cream social for the candidates in that wicked place.

Well, whose fault is that? Next thing, you will be calling me a cult leader for having manipulated you into spilling it.
It is not shocking to be informed, though neither is it a sin to opt out. One firebrand brother on X stated emphatically, straight out of the blue, “Jehovah’s Witness are NOT INTERESTED in politics!” Well, actually some of them are, I told him. ‘I think what you are looking to say is that they do not take sides. 
‘They are NOT INTERESTED IN POLITICS!’ he roared back and then blocked me.

True intelligence lies in recognizing the importance of not giving heed to apostates. The recent meeting only serves to confirm how easily Satan can manipulate a susceptible mind to distort and misrepresent facts when discussing sensitive issues, such as child abuse. Once exposed as frauds, they resort to baseless rants, much like the one you have just made.
What relevance does the word "definition" have in relation to your particular regional Orthodox religion? It appears that you are defending that false religion that defends the heinous crimes of Russia's Putin. How much child abuse has that abusive person caused to Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia? Pause and consider the numerous forms of child abuse. Why aren't you addressing this issue here? That's right, you just want to act foolishly and selectively.
Are you implying that your community is free from child abusers? Do you believe that your region is somehow flawless? If so, I have doubts regarding your discernment. Your attempts to deflect do not hold any weight. None of your deflections are effective on me.
I seriously question whether the approval of "GAY" relationships by the Catholic Church will truly please God.
It is nonsensical to believe that you are a professional psychologist capable of providing advice on child abuse when you are unaware of the role that government and institutions play in perpetuating the issue. Your deception does not align with the reality of the situation. Therefore, your religious beliefs or lack thereof are irrelevant.
I reject your blasphemy against God's Holy Spirit. Your failure is your choice, not God's.

 

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I always learned that you don't take sides in politics. In our family, this meant that you also don't discuss politics. Discussing it inevitably turns to offering opinions that favor one ideological side over another. But in a recent topic on the forum, several other JWs and/or those who have been associated with JWs brought up issues that appeared to take sides for or against the two major U.S. presidential candidates, as of April 2024. As factual commentary, this doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, if one favors one candidate over the other, this doesn't bother me either.
But I just had a serious discussion about our (JW) view of politics with an 86-year old Witness, who thinks just like my own family always had. It started with the current jw.org front page article on:
Does Bible Prophecy Point to the Modern State of Israel?
When you read the article you also get pointed to other articles:
Will Armageddon Begin in Israel?—What Does the Bible Say?
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Zionists?
If you read more and go to specific links, you can also find articles on Human Rights Organizations, Russia and the European Court, etc.
Taganrog LRO and Others v. Russia
Russia Withdraws From the European Court
Or even end up linked to a mildly amusing article such as:
Who Is to Blame—Russia or the Tourist?
But the conversation, next post, made me think of our general stance on political discussion.

I believe you are an intelligent person, although at times that might be a stretch. However, if the society were to maintain a list of things that you are contesting, things they toke seriously, what could they be concealing based on your perception?
You mentioned 60 years in contrast to other religions that have annual occurrences, even in your Orthodox religion within your region and among your people in your community.
The guidance provided by the Watchtower is intended for sensible individuals to contemplate upon. Once again, you are commending the commendable nature of Jesus, as well as acknowledging that if one believes in the efficacy of God's guidance in scripture, it's ineffective. You are calling God a failure, yet you don't comprehend that you are the failure as his creation. 
What kind of commission do you believe existed prior to the ARC that the Watchtower Society should have collaborated with, despite already fully cooperating with the ARC? Could you provide evidence to support your unfounded assertion that they didn't cooperate with the ARC, considering the fact that they provided the information being requested? It would be advisable for you to carefully consider your remarks before making such claims. People might think, you actually don't think.
How is the discussion of beards relevant to the ARC issue? Cease distorting your baseless accusations to obfuscate the matter at hand.
Your response seems obtuse and nonsensical, filled with irrelevant rants.
Do you have the expertise of a psychologist to make such distinctions? Who is now dictating people's actions? Stop from sharing if you don't have something meaningful to contribute, your sounding like Pudgy.

If WTJWorg wanted to prove its "unwavering commitment" in dealing with CSA, then it should not, as in the case of the Australian branch, hide from its own public the large number of pedophiles who ran rampant in JW congregations all those 60 years and more. Moreover, the GB instructions contributed to the ineffectiveness of elders handling CSA claims within the congregation. Instead of cooperating with the civil authorities, they kept everything secret and even prevented the victims from fighting for minimal justice.
GB has already proven its "transformative" role. After a decades of banning beards and trousers, a "successful transformation" has been carried out. Does anyone who sees only this sliver of reality about GB expect that these are the people "of unwavering morality"  who will be the foundation of the NWO you speak so passionately about? GB people who bring bans and permits about beards and pants, about monthly reports, about greeting and not greeting former JWs, etc. are not the base or foundation of some imaginary new and healthy human society. This type of individuals who are united in a specific group of manipulators of other people's faith and conscience does not deserve trust.
Are you waiting for a transformation? Transformation will not happen tomorrow or in the future. If it didn't start happening in the past or today, then it won't happen. While an individual lives, he/she is or is not part of the transformation. In which transformation are we personally participating? Will there be a transformation due to our activity or passivity? Changes happen with us or without us, that's clear. Don't wait for the NWO, because some other people will live in it. You and I already live in a form of the NWO created by people from the past. To put it simply.

Good morning from Cape Town, South Africa.
Thank you much appreciated.
Would anyone have the convention notebooks please.
Agape

What's the good news?
Is it..any day now jehovah is going to kill every man woman and child who is not associated with the watchtower bible and tract society or the organization.
Or is it...After Armageddon we get to dispose of 7.8 billion dead men, women and children and probably lots of dead animals as well.

lol. Why do you think I’m attracting attention to this forum through their internet network right after making a donation?

@Srecko Sostar
Thank you, Srecko, for sharing this article that you thought would better your false cause. I want to point out that your argument regarding child abuse and the Watchtower lacks understanding and validity. Moreover, it is evident that the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) did not conduct thorough research on the Watchtower, which now necessitates higher courts to make the final decision due to the biased and uninformed rulings of lower courts.
*** g99 4/8 p. 8 Who Will Protect Our Children? ***
Who Will Protect Our Children?
This article, dated in the year 1999, predates the UN's interest in 2012. It serves as a strong argument for highlighting the Watchtower's unwavering commitment to addressing the issue of child abuse since the 60s, even before laws were passed and debated by governments worldwide in 2015.
It seems that you have pointed out a contradiction in your actions, likening it to a hypocrite and drawing a parallel between your behavior as that of the Pharisees. This comparison is quite striking and thought-provoking. Your hypocrisy is evident as you persist in associating with an individual who has been proven guilty of the same position that you so passionately defend. Furthermore, you express gratitude for the information provided by this discredited individual, causing your credibility to diminish completely.
Yes, that's right! The ultimate solution to these heinous crimes of pedophilia and child abuse lies in the establishment of a new world order guided by the principles of Christ. While we await this transformative era, we must diligently address the issue at hand, even if it means temporarily employing stopgap measures. We rely on individuals of unwavering morality. How do you control the uncontrollable in Satan's World? That's the Watchtowers expectation in ensuring that our collective effort maintains hope for a better future without such atrocities. 
Where in the article does it claim that the Watchtower is infallible and that the Elders have the ability to read minds? If they possessed such a power, they would have been able to prevent your friend from making a serious mistake.
Remember your criticism about the GB. I understand your point about how you often bring up the imperfections of the Governing Body. However, it seems contradictory that you expect them to act in specific ways to satisfy your personal preferences. It's important to consider the broader picture and be realistic in our expectations.

When the United Nations was approached with the dilemma of child abuse in 2013 by addressing the many aspects of child abuse, which included child labor, child trafficking etc., it became evident that these problems, which had been largely ignored by societies, was gaining greater visibility. As governments began to shift their attention towards religious institutions, the Vatican emerged as the most suitable target due to their visible documented incidents.
I cannot deny the existence of pedophilia, especially when it involves someone accused of it and is well-known and supported by you. Speaking out against denying pedophilia in this situation is irrational and contradictory coming from you.
It is not just the information itself, but the act of singling out that renders it hypocritical and misleading. You are aware that this is a global issue, one that affects all institutions around the world, including those located in your own country or place of origin as well.
Post all of those incidents from all world's institutions and ensure consistent adherence to proper protocols. Has the issue been resolved with the AU commissions inquiry? I have noticed statistics indicating that the problem has escalated since 2015. Has the government taken measures to address it effectively?
Have you truly convinced yourself that over the course of a decade, you have managed to make a positive impact despite your distorted views?
Let's expose the hypocrisy of governments like Australia, Canada, Britain, and Norway who seek selectivity for doing the devil's bidding. We must also address the hypocrisy of those who present secondhand information as fact.
The lack of presence during an incident introduces bias. I've encountered situations where women falsely accused her lover of rape out of vengeance for being dumped, and justice was nowhere to be found for the guy that was arrested and humiliated before the prosecution tossed out the arrest. Such incidents, some involving children, are far too common.
There was another incident where an 11-year-old girl approached a complete stranger and threatened to scream and accuse him of molestation in a mall if he didn't give her 20 dollars. It appears that the misguided perspective lies with you and your friends, who continuously dwell on the same topic without realizing you have no positive impact.
Do those incidents make the news? Are they being tracked by anyone? Should these situations be exaggerated to the point where no single person in society can be trusted? That is exactly what the devil wants. Why are you helping?
I have experienced similar incidents, not only concerning worldly society but also within the Watchtower community by sisters. I could share some noteworthy events, but it would be unkind to engage in gossip and slander. Why should I tarnish the name of God in that manner? Merely to gain friends here, laugh out loud! 
 

I never pay any mind to ex-witnesses, hence they simply do not bother me. When it comes to their lies, my focus lies on emphasizing the undeniable truth, completely detached from the former members' inclination to twist it to their advantage.
So, why does it matter if a Catholic lawyer is supporting the Watchtower? Are you suggesting that they shouldn't? Religion stands strong in the face of manipulative governments and the spread of falsehoods and exaggerations by former members, especially when it's time to take a stand.
Remember, there are people here who identify themselves as witnesses and are willing to embrace your perspectives, even if they may be biased. Why? Because some of them, especially females, possess a misguided loyalty. Instead of recognizing the ways in which Satan manipulates humanity through the suffering of children, they become fixated on their own personal emotions.
If someone truly grasps the essence of scripture, it would be a misguided loyalty to turn a blind eye to the devious manipulation of Satan and the individuals he employs to sow division among God's people. No matter how strongly someone believes they are a devout Christian, if they fail to recognize this larger scheme, they cannot consider themselves faithful followers of Christ, let alone true witnesses.

I think you are definitely wrong because of your imprecise and non-objective view of the problems at WTJWorg. I get the impression, from the comments, that religions like Catholic and JW are under attack from the secular government. So it's as if you're denying the reality of pedophilia within church structures, about which the atheistic-satanic structure is planting false information, slander. You don't mean it? Or? Yes, you really mean it. Terrible.
It is biased to say that some categories of people are more susceptible to disloyalty than others. To say that women are susceptible to the influence of deception and their own wrong feelings means that men are not, because that is your stated claim, it only speaks in favor of your bias. That way you lose originality and credibility. You are drowned in a mass of people who think like you. The kind of people who will never contribute to progress, but to enslavement by already seen stale prejudices.
The deviations you speak of, have thrived in WTJWorg since the very beginning, so they are no different than those in the Catholic Church. They just alternate with each other in their visibility and perversity.

I saw your rant on the other post as well. The only logical conclusion here is that your racism and arrogance is foolish. No wonder you and Srecko get along so well. 

I wonder if ex-witnesses should also be looked into as a collective group, given their influence in Norway's government.
https://www.sciencenorway.no/cyberwarfare-election-politics/researchers-to-investigate-whether-foreign-powers-attempted-to-influence-norways-2021-parliamentary-elections/1916250
Yet, we have an individual declaring that right-wing NOX NEWS should be accepted as factual. That's a laugh.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-024-02605-5
https://nordmedianetwork.org/latest/news/a-nordic-effort-to-fight-disinformation-and-information-disorder/
Has Norway accomplished it's disinformation campaign? Not in the least since they are part of the problem not the solution.

What deceptive practices?
Specifically?

… if you cannot supply specific examples of ex-witnesses AND the Norwegian Government using deceptive practices, then it is YOU Georgie, who is using deceptive practices.
 

What is the use of comparing the decisions and actions of "perfect" people, Jesus, Adam and Eve with "imperfect" people, here and now? lol

The responsibility, and the full responsibility, rests with GB. Why? Because they dared to control the conscience of other people. You mention free will. What is more important or necessary for correct behavior? Free will or free conscience?
Free will was enslaved by GB, because GB claims that man has a tendency to abuse free will. They enslaved the natural conscience because GB claims that the conscience is insufficient to make correct decisions and distinguish between good and evil. They also enslaved the so-called "Bible-trained conscience" because it was clearly expressed in the latest public address of the GB representative that only the GB is authorized to allow, limit and direct when and how the so-called "Bible-trained conscience" should be used by JW.
Bizarre GB politic.

Well, I suppose it’s okay for the open club but I wouldn’t put it in the closed one.

The news that could signal that times are changing at WTJWorg will be when they announce that donations of any kind are no longer being accepted. lol

He didn’t shave it at the border is the point.

Doesn’t matter. I’m growing one like Rip Van Winkle as we speak. Long enough to sweep the kitchen floor with.