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Apostate mentally: The prevalence of ad hominem arguments among apostates is not only foolish, but also deeply offensive. These individuals seem to believe that their arguments are not insulting, when in fact, they are far more damaging than mere insults. It is truly disheartening to witness such a misguided and intellectually feeble tactic employed by apostates and the disfellowshipped. ERRONEOUS ARGUMENTS AND WRONG CLAIMS: In this case, it is indeed true. By whose standards can a critic believe that the wrong argument is being made? Who are these people, and why should Witnesses care about their opinion? The other points about the court system infringing on religious bylaws are quite reasonable. A compelling example is the recent dispute involving the Catholic nun, Baudin de la Valette, which prompted the Pope to make an exception and write a letter of complaint to the French government. The issue arose from the French court's decision to unilaterally decide who can and cannot be excommunicated, disregarding the religious bylaw and instead yielding to public opinion. Thanks, Srecko. Your new badge of recognition just proves that more foolishness coming from apostates is rewarded by Satan's influence.

🤣 It belongs in the closed club where the Don Henley song "Dirty laundry" is played 24/7.😁

What makes you believe you will, lol! People need to be written in the scroll of life. Do you truly believe that you will succeed with everything you have said and done? You must face the reality that you have defied God beyond the possibility of redemption. So, enjoy life.

In God's eyes, it is truly admirable when flawed individuals strive to do their best. Hence, your opinion holds no weight. Your argument is illogical from a psychological standpoint because you are distorting the original intent. How did Jesus rectify the mistakes of sinners? Did he make them perfect? Did he, perhaps, reveal a path that could lead them to salvation despite their imperfections? So, what you reap just like Pudgy, he has sowed. Whose fault is it in his case, yours, mine, or his? Neither did Jesus nor the apostles. Construct your arguments in a more coherent manner. In our current condition, repentance does not free us from sin. The impact of Jesus' sacrifice was on the original sin, not on perfection. The concept of redemption is unconventional when the intention behind it is misinterpreted, as you have done. Why bother with good deeds if you merely conceal your evil intentions behind the facade of personal choice? Jesus did not intend for his followers to be hypocrites. He anticipated their honesty with themselves, as it was their decision to embrace His sacrifice for salvation. So, if someone does something wrong, they should be haunted by their conscience. This indicates that they are human and not an unfeeling dog. Remorse is the name it bears. When someone fails to feel remorse after committing a heinous crime, how can they possibly believe that God will not pass judgment upon them for their lack of remorse and repentance? If someone still criticizes God's arrangement, despite claiming to believe in it, they are contradicting themselves by their own actions. That indicates a significant issue with the individual's mental state.

I believe that Christ's message was one of calling upon sinners to repent and obey their heavenly father. So, why would Jesus call upon those who had already repented and become part of Christianity through that repentance? How can a sensible person reconcile the conflict between their heart and mind to interpret a different meaning? One organ accepts one thing, but the other does not. Luke 5:32. This conflict is thought-provoking, and some people might call that a twisted mentality. Therefore, the admonition of the apostle James was truly refreshing. In James 5:19-20 he imparts invaluable wisdom. What new insights do you possess? What unique revelations does the Bible impart to you? What is your interpretation of scripture that you find to be in error, besides everything?

An intelligent person would understand it to mean both. However, it seems that this is where you fall short. Therefore, when Jesus invited sinners to repent, it would mean a transformation not only of their hearts but also of their minds. The great thing is that you're not a psychologist; otherwise, you would be providing incompetent and detrimental advice. If you choose to remove yourself from salvation, it is an acknowledgment of failure as an inherited sinner. Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, and other religious denominations that are considered to be false by God. However, within the EU, Orthodox and Catholicism are the most favored, and this sentiment is echoed in other countries such as Norway, Canada, Australia, Russia, and the UK. These places are known for their severe persecution of the Watchtower due to their practice of listening to apostates. Who is being used by Satan as a tool to persecute God's people, in any part of the world?

True intelligence lies in recognizing the importance of not giving heed to apostates. The recent meeting only serves to confirm how easily Satan can manipulate a susceptible mind to distort and misrepresent facts when discussing sensitive issues, such as child abuse. Once exposed as frauds, they resort to baseless rants, much like the one you have just made. What relevance does the word "definition" have in relation to your particular regional Orthodox religion? It appears that you are defending that false religion that defends the heinous crimes of Russia's Putin. How much child abuse has that abusive person caused to Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia? Pause and consider the numerous forms of child abuse. Why aren't you addressing this issue here? That's right, you just want to act foolishly and selectively. Are you implying that your community is free from child abusers? Do you believe that your region is somehow flawless? If so, I have doubts regarding your discernment. Your attempts to deflect do not hold any weight. None of your deflections are effective on me. I seriously question whether the approval of "GAY" relationships by the Catholic Church will truly please God. It is nonsensical to believe that you are a professional psychologist capable of providing advice on child abuse when you are unaware of the role that government and institutions play in perpetuating the issue. Your deception does not align with the reality of the situation. Therefore, your religious beliefs or lack thereof are irrelevant. I reject your blasphemy against God's Holy Spirit. Your failure is your choice, not God's.

I believe you are an intelligent person, although at times that might be a stretch. However, if the society were to maintain a list of things that you are contesting, things they toke seriously, what could they be concealing based on your perception? You mentioned 60 years in contrast to other religions that have annual occurrences, even in your Orthodox religion within your region and among your people in your community. The guidance provided by the Watchtower is intended for sensible individuals to contemplate upon. Once again, you are commending the commendable nature of Jesus, as well as acknowledging that if one believes in the efficacy of God's guidance in scripture, it's ineffective. You are calling God a failure, yet you don't comprehend that you are the failure as his creation. What kind of commission do you believe existed prior to the ARC that the Watchtower Society should have collaborated with, despite already fully cooperating with the ARC? Could you provide evidence to support your unfounded assertion that they didn't cooperate with the ARC, considering the fact that they provided the information being requested? It would be advisable for you to carefully consider your remarks before making such claims. People might think, you actually don't think. How is the discussion of beards relevant to the ARC issue? Cease distorting your baseless accusations to obfuscate the matter at hand. Your response seems obtuse and nonsensical, filled with irrelevant rants. Do you have the expertise of a psychologist to make such distinctions? Who is now dictating people's actions? Stop from sharing if you don't have something meaningful to contribute, your sounding like Pudgy.

@Srecko Sostar Thank you, Srecko, for sharing this article that you thought would better your false cause. I want to point out that your argument regarding child abuse and the Watchtower lacks understanding and validity. Moreover, it is evident that the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) did not conduct thorough research on the Watchtower, which now necessitates higher courts to make the final decision due to the biased and uninformed rulings of lower courts. *** g99 4/8 p. 8 Who Will Protect Our Children? *** Who Will Protect Our Children? This article, dated in the year 1999, predates the UN's interest in 2012. It serves as a strong argument for highlighting the Watchtower's unwavering commitment to addressing the issue of child abuse since the 60s, even before laws were passed and debated by governments worldwide in 2015. It seems that you have pointed out a contradiction in your actions, likening it to a hypocrite and drawing a parallel between your behavior as that of the Pharisees. This comparison is quite striking and thought-provoking. Your hypocrisy is evident as you persist in associating with an individual who has been proven guilty of the same position that you so passionately defend. Furthermore, you express gratitude for the information provided by this discredited individual, causing your credibility to diminish completely. Yes, that's right! The ultimate solution to these heinous crimes of pedophilia and child abuse lies in the establishment of a new world order guided by the principles of Christ. While we await this transformative era, we must diligently address the issue at hand, even if it means temporarily employing stopgap measures. We rely on individuals of unwavering morality. How do you control the uncontrollable in Satan's World? That's the Watchtowers expectation in ensuring that our collective effort maintains hope for a better future without such atrocities. Where in the article does it claim that the Watchtower is infallible and that the Elders have the ability to read minds? If they possessed such a power, they would have been able to prevent your friend from making a serious mistake. Remember your criticism about the GB. I understand your point about how you often bring up the imperfections of the Governing Body. However, it seems contradictory that you expect them to act in specific ways to satisfy your personal preferences. It's important to consider the broader picture and be realistic in our expectations.

No, that is merely a distorted version of events, as told by uninformed witnesses and former members. Since the 60s, The Watchtower has consistently brought attention to the issue of child abuse, fearlessly delivering their message in various forms. The publicans and the letter to the Elders provide evidence of that. However, instead of learning, it seems like the wrong party is dissenting. It doesn't matter how deeply misinformed individuals hold onto lies, because ultimately, God knows the truth.

If there had been witnesses in Washington's time, they would not have paid attention to Paul Revere. lol! One of the concerns they should be vigilant about is identifying apostates.

When the United Nations was approached with the dilemma of child abuse in 2013 by addressing the many aspects of child abuse, which included child labor, child trafficking etc., it became evident that these problems, which had been largely ignored by societies, was gaining greater visibility. As governments began to shift their attention towards religious institutions, the Vatican emerged as the most suitable target due to their visible documented incidents. I cannot deny the existence of pedophilia, especially when it involves someone accused of it and is well-known and supported by you. Speaking out against denying pedophilia in this situation is irrational and contradictory coming from you. It is not just the information itself, but the act of singling out that renders it hypocritical and misleading. You are aware that this is a global issue, one that affects all institutions around the world, including those located in your own country or place of origin as well. Post all of those incidents from all world's institutions and ensure consistent adherence to proper protocols. Has the issue been resolved with the AU commissions inquiry? I have noticed statistics indicating that the problem has escalated since 2015. Has the government taken measures to address it effectively? Have you truly convinced yourself that over the course of a decade, you have managed to make a positive impact despite your distorted views? Let's expose the hypocrisy of governments like Australia, Canada, Britain, and Norway who seek selectivity for doing the devil's bidding. We must also address the hypocrisy of those who present secondhand information as fact. The lack of presence during an incident introduces bias. I've encountered situations where women falsely accused her lover of rape out of vengeance for being dumped, and justice was nowhere to be found for the guy that was arrested and humiliated before the prosecution tossed out the arrest. Such incidents, some involving children, are far too common. There was another incident where an 11-year-old girl approached a complete stranger and threatened to scream and accuse him of molestation in a mall if he didn't give her 20 dollars. It appears that the misguided perspective lies with you and your friends, who continuously dwell on the same topic without realizing you have no positive impact. Do those incidents make the news? Are they being tracked by anyone? Should these situations be exaggerated to the point where no single person in society can be trusted? That is exactly what the devil wants. Why are you helping? I have experienced similar incidents, not only concerning worldly society but also within the Watchtower community by sisters. I could share some noteworthy events, but it would be unkind to engage in gossip and slander. Why should I tarnish the name of God in that manner? Merely to gain friends here, laugh out loud!

Oh, no! Srecko, how will you explain your egregious stance to other religions that don't visit this site? Or is the hypocrisy of former members limited, lol! Does God have standards for the way Christians should behave and dress? The fashions of the world come and go. Many people become slaves to these fashions and to keep up with the fashion of the time, will sacrifice their time, money, and even their health. Many of these fashions do not promote the principles of the Bible on dress. The wearing of tattoos, jewelry, saggy or tight “revealing” clothing has become very widespread even among professed Christians. But do these fit the standard that God requires? Let’s see what the Bible says about God’s standards on the Christian’s presentation to the world.

I never pay any mind to ex-witnesses, hence they simply do not bother me. When it comes to their lies, my focus lies on emphasizing the undeniable truth, completely detached from the former members' inclination to twist it to their advantage. So, why does it matter if a Catholic lawyer is supporting the Watchtower? Are you suggesting that they shouldn't? Religion stands strong in the face of manipulative governments and the spread of falsehoods and exaggerations by former members, especially when it's time to take a stand. Remember, there are people here who identify themselves as witnesses and are willing to embrace your perspectives, even if they may be biased. Why? Because some of them, especially females, possess a misguided loyalty. Instead of recognizing the ways in which Satan manipulates humanity through the suffering of children, they become fixated on their own personal emotions. If someone truly grasps the essence of scripture, it would be a misguided loyalty to turn a blind eye to the devious manipulation of Satan and the individuals he employs to sow division among God's people. No matter how strongly someone believes they are a devout Christian, if they fail to recognize this larger scheme, they cannot consider themselves faithful followers of Christ, let alone true witnesses.

It is concerning that governments are swayed by the testimonies of former witnesses, leading to the overturning of decisions made by lower courts, as seen in the case of Cardinal Pell in Australia, along with dozens of others. No true witness should be swayed by negative comments from former witnesses and their agenda along with any disfellowshipped. That's no better.

Does it matter if people are tuning in to a news source known for its shameful content? I only watch it for the humor. Does that discount the fact that Pudgy, this disfellowshiped Republican registered voter and Racist tried to influence his political agenda here? If it was truly disheartening for him to post it now, in a presidential election year, Pudgy and FOX NEWS would have shown outrage in 2021. Why didn't FOX NEWS mention it in 2021, the outrage felt by those Confederate white supremacist Republicans, MAGA, attempting to influence and corrupt our nation? This is why Witnesses shouldn't engage in politics, which is precisely why they should abstain from it. Now Pudgy, can you genuinely refute Biden's 2021 declaration? Avoid distorting, manipulating, or twisting your words. Provide concrete evidence that he did not make that declaration in 2021, rather than in 2024, a presidential election year?

I saw your rant on the other post as well. The only logical conclusion here is that your racism and arrogance is foolish. No wonder you and Srecko get along so well.

It appears that the disfellowshipped person has adopted a new persona, as the previous one was so effective that it was disregarded by the rational. Can't wait to place that person on the ignore list, lol! It's amusing how arrogance cunningly distorts the narrative to create an illusion of moral superiority, when in reality, they are actually in the lowest position. Whoops! Already have, lol!

I wonder if ex-witnesses should also be looked into as a collective group, given their influence in Norway's government. https://www.sciencenorway.no/cyberwarfare-election-politics/researchers-to-investigate-whether-foreign-powers-attempted-to-influence-norways-2021-parliamentary-elections/1916250 Yet, we have an individual declaring that right-wing NOX NEWS should be accepted as factual. That's a laugh. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-024-02605-5 https://nordmedianetwork.org/latest/news/a-nordic-effort-to-fight-disinformation-and-information-disorder/ Has Norway accomplished it's disinformation campaign? Not in the least since they are part of the problem not the solution.

Hey! Perhaps the next big trend will involve sporting shorts and roller skates. That sounds like it would be a blast! lol!

I'm curious to know if Srecko would consider it likely for a contemporary woman to don a bathing suit from 1910. lol!

Srecko, would you be so inclined to deny the ancient dress code for true followers? How about their eating habits? How about how they worship? Do you believe that Jesus' purpose in coming to earth was to deliberately mislead the apostles and the people? Srecko, to validate the argument, all we need to do is look at what you have become.

What is the purpose of this demonstration for the public? Is it acceptable to surround yourself with negative influences? Wouldn't it be more comprehensive to include the beginning of the article, rather than just selecting a specific section to cater to your skeptical perspective? You should emphasize, for instance, not associating with people who act and behave like Pharisees. The article's main focus is precisely that. Did the Pharisees truly possess God's truth? Why on earth would a Jehovah's Witness want to associate with someone who behaves in a way that goes against scripture?

It appears to me that this is a key aspect of the 2030 initiative ideology. While the Rothschilds were indeed influential individuals who were able to sway governments, much like present-day billionaires, the true impetus for change stems from the omnipotent forces (Satan) shaping our world. In this case, there is a false God of this world. However, what drives action within a political framework? Power! What is unfolding before our eyes in today's world? The relentless struggle for power. The overwhelming tide of people rising. We cannot underestimate the direct and sinister influence of Satan in all of this. However, it is up to individuals to decide how they choose to worship God. Satanism, as a form of religion, cannot be regarded as a true religion. Consequently, just as ancient practices of child sacrifice had a place in God's world, such sacrifices would never be accepted by the True God of our universe. Despite the promising 2030 initiative for those involved, it is unfortunately disintegrating due to the actions of certain individuals in positions of authority. A recent incident serves as a glaring example, involving a conflict between peaceful Muslims and a Jewish representative that unfolded just this week. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/11/us-delegation-saudi-arabia-kippah?ref=upstract.com Saudi Arabia was among the countries that agreed to the initiative signed by approximately 179 nations in or around 1994. However, this initiative is now being undermined by the devil himself, who is sowing discord among the delegates due to the ongoing Jewish-Hamas (Palestine) conflict. Fostering antisemitism. What kind of sacrifice does Satan accept with the death of babies and children in places like Gaza, Ukraine, and other conflicts around the world, whether in the past or present, that God wouldn't? Whatever personal experiences we may have had with well-known individuals, true Christians understand that current events were foretold long ago, and nothing can prevent them from unfolding. What we are witnessing is the result of Satan's wrath upon humanity, as was predicted. A true religion will not involve itself in the politics of this world, as it is aware of the many detrimental factors associated with such engagement. It understands the true intentions of Satan for this world and wisely chooses to stay unaffected by them.

The only one who is completely mistaken is you, but I don't really value your perspective or way of thinking. True Jehovah's Witnesses are truly amused by the desperation of an Ex-Bethelite, it's quite entertaining, LOL! You're welcome. Now apply the information with its accurate designation, rather than misrepresenting it to mean 587 BC. However, I am still eagerly anticipating the evidence, which directly states the occurrence of the Jerusalem destruction in 587 BC, found in any of those tablets. Inform me when you are prepared, despite your continuous effort to avoid and bypass the question.