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For a decade, you have opposed the Watchtower's chronology, and now you bear the responsibility for the lives you have misled. The accuracy of the Watchtower's chronological order, supported by secular history, is undeniable and not influenced by apostate perspectives or corruption.

Historical events unequivocally support this. What aspect is still unclear to you, such as 607 BC, when the answer is obvious but obscured by the devil as not to see the evidence? The devil tends to deceive people in this way. So, if you're going to challenge the release of the Jews from Palestine by the British in 1914 and dispute WW1, I'm eager to hear it.

Focus on managing your own multiple accounts and refrain from Ad hominem attacks, rather than attempting to portray yourselves as virtuous.

I can post other Bible Student Chronolgy. To me, you just wasted a page, since they show other conclusions.
"We may remember that when Nebuchadnezzar took all of Israel to Babylon for forced labor they remained in this servitude for 70 years or until King Cyrus released them in 536 B.C. So we have two periods of Israel's history that God brought upon them that would later be repaid. We have the 19 years just prior to 606 B.C. and the 70 years. Now notice the chart, the middle portion. Here we have some remarkable time events that are now all history. Not one of us can change a date on the charts--we cannot improve upon them, nor can we disregard them as they are all history. We may affect what we do today, but we cannot even change a personal event in our life that occurred yesterday, not alone decades or centuries ago. No wonder we sing, "How firm a foundation ye saints of the Lord is laid for your faith in His excellent word."
 
"It specifies a full 70 years for both the captivity and the desolation of the land, which are
considered contemporaneous events. On the other hand, proponents of the civil historian view
(based on the Neo-Babylonian chronology) shorten the length of the desolation to only 50 years; they find an earlier starting point for the captivity, then bring both periods to a simultaneous close. Under this reckoning, it is not readily possible to find a starting point that pertains directly to Judah. Hence the 70 year period is applied to the period of Babylon's supremacy over surrounding nations, from 609 B.C. to 539 B.C. This covers the period from the year it is thought Assyria (Babylon's chief rival) first began losing power to Babylon, to the eventual collapse of the Babylonian empire. This reckoning shifts the emphasis from a Babylon
 
"The author acknowledges that in this book (B) he presents the thought that the Lord’s saints might expect to be with Him in glory at the ending of the Gentile Times. This was a natural mistake to fall into, but the lord overruled it for the blessing of His people. The thought that the Church would all be gathered to glory before October, 1914, certainly did have a very stimulating and sanctifying effect upon thousands, all of whom accordingly can praise the Lord—even for the mistake.
 
Many, indeed, can express themselves as being thankful to the Lord that the culmination of the Church’s hopes was not reached at the time we expected; and that we, as the Lord’s people, have further opportunities of perfecting holiness and of being participators with our Master in the further presentation of His Message to His people.
"Our mistake was evidently not in respect to the ending of the Times of the Gentiles; we drew a false conclusion, however, not authorized by the Word of the Lord. We saw in the Bible certain parallels between the Jewish Age and the Gospel Age. We should have noted that these parallels follow the nominal systems to destruction in both cases, and do not indicate the time of the glorification of the New Creation." B.1916 Foreword pages iii, iv."

Like I said, even the Bible Students have their own apostates they need to expose.

Everything you post appears to be a projection. People who fail to comprehend the significance of the times they are living in should not emulate your indifference towards their spiritual well-being. As far as I can discern, this contradicts the teachings of the Bible.

Yet, the list should be: Tom. JWI, Anna, Thinking, Comfortmypeople, Juan Rivera, etc. So, telling the truth only seems corrupt to those causing it.

I highly doubt that your ally would have supported Adam Rutherford. You're trying to convince people that he would, but considering COJ's misuse of the babylonian chronicles and your endorsement of his conclusions, it's clear why you are now so vehement about it.
What are the differences between the modern-day Bible Student approach to studying the Bible and the ideology of Pastor Russell, as well as our understanding of chronology? There seems to be a lot of confusion. It's important to acknowledge and learn from your mistakes.
There are other Bible Student Associations that have transitioned from old to new understandings. However, the Bible Students also have their own apostates, but that is their issue to address.
It appears that you are rejecting the term "association" as you decline to recognize its autonomy.
 

By utilizing your inaccurate interpretation or ensuring the public truly comprehends the authentic context. They must also be informed of any uncorrected typos that occurred, as this necessitated an electronic "reprint," which has now been addressed. It was a more time-consuming process, and what do apostates say about reprints? The same concept that you are implying with your slander.
I urge the public to thoroughly examine previous publications. It's crucial to be discerning and not be misled by irrelevant information. The Watchtower, as early as 1972, referenced VAT 4956 in the Awake magazine. This is undeniably significant! Yet, So, What!
The villains here are distorting not only published works, but history itself. How many examples do you need to understand that 568 BC can be linked to other military campaigns that you are unwilling to acknowledge? Others should not be swayed by your irrational beliefs.

The Watchtower's approach is one of inquiry rather than assertion. It's crucial to grasp the historical backdrop of 587 BC, as some individuals, despite being apostates, staunchly uphold that belief, much like yourself. It took numerous misleading posts before you finally acknowledged the truth. You have consistently stood your ground in the past. There was no need to ban George simply for speaking the truth.
The purpose of these articles is to demonstrate to the public that the year 587 BC is not the actual date of Jerusalem's destruction. It is truly difficult to comprehend why you would assume otherwise.
The Watchtower acknowledges the Babylonian Chronicles, as well as any other false presentations and statements made by apostates regarding those dates and items. However, this acknowledgment does not change the fact that such claims are unsubstantiated. So, what is the significance of this acknowledgement?
Do you really believe that you have the "authority" to dictate to the Watchtower what it should or shouldn't write in a way that people can understand? It seems like you're trying to go above God, placing yourself above him just like Srecko the apostate does when he challenges God with his nonsensical ideas.

In 1914, the British Empire liberated approximately 60,000 Jews in Palestine. However, it is crucial to acknowledge that this event alone does signify the end of the gentile times, as there may be some other distortion of facts not by me but by you. It is important to pinpoint which fact is being misrepresented: whether it is the population of 60,000 Jews in Palestine or the specific year 1914. Are you challenging the notion that Palestine was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, or that a different gentile nation liberated the Jewish community from the control of an Arab nation, just as the land was originally handed over to the Arab nation Babylon by God?
Could you please explain your interpretation of the historical records that mention the presence of 60,000 Jews in Palestine? Are you disputing the accuracy of this number? Are you suggesting that there should have been even more Jews in order to support your statement?
Are you now confusing the Balfour declaration? 
To the public, if you are interested, there are numerous historical facts that provide many examples of the plight the Jewish Nation faced leading up to that year and beyond. Dozens upon dozens of reference books are available for the public to gain a deeper understanding.
Jews and Palestinians in the Late Ottoman Era, 1908-1914
Zion Liberated: Jewish Nation Building Under the British
Bitter Harvest; Palestine Between 1914-1967
The Question of Palestine, 1914-1918: British-Jewish-Arab
Etc.

To put it simply, the Watchtower is not deceiving the public as you are.
When you shared the "proverbs," it was expected to reflect your character.
It is essential for individuals to comprehend these sources within their appropriate contexts, rather than rely solely on their own misconceptions. It is evident that you are well aware of what Professor Wiseman has also incorporated into his works, much like another Nechuchadnezzar figure. Hence, instead of haphazardly mentioning meaningless names, it is highly encouraged for people to conduct thorough research of their own, unlike you or Carl Olof Jonsson. It is about seeking genuine knowledge.
The Watchtower vehemently disagrees with your assertion of 587 BC, which you continue to deny advocating for. Every post you have made so far clearly exposes the falsehood. You have always recognized your place in relation to 587 BC, even in the past. So, why all the deceit. 

While I acknowledge the potential for humor in your group, I must inquire: how can George be reintegrated if he was removed from the forum? Should any of your fictitious accounts also partake in amplifying the excitement? lol!

You pretend a lot and claim to be something you're not. It's important to show the kind of truth that is genuine, not false. Don't confuse God's truth with your falsehood.
You deny the significance of 587 BC, even though you defend it fervently like an apostate. However, this is not the truth that God is seeking, nor did Christ teach deception.
You've gone to great lengths to pour out your meaningless words on an entire page, but people are able to read and comprehend your failures and strategies. Therefore, it's time to put an end to your feeble excuses regarding ad-hominem attacks, especially when you are no different. The only criticism you have against me is that I am not an apostate pretending to be a witness.
It's clear that either you or Tom has control over this site. There's no need for a facade because I already know the truth, which you can't deny. Your anger towards banning users seems unjust when both your and Tom's behavior can be more offensive to God than you realize mine is.
You can rest assured that, in terms of behavior, I am at the lower end from you according to God's judgment.

Please don’t get them started. I have a hard time controlling those misfits and yo-yos as it is.

Your argument is flawed and riddled with inconsistencies as you desperately try to focus on 539 BC, even after acknowledging that the Bible doesn't mention BCE dates. This only serves to reinforce the distortions you are intent on perpetuating.
The falsehood lies in the fact that Russell used 606 BC instead of 607 BC. Moreover, the major distortion here is the belief of 539 BC rather than what Pastor Russell and His own Bible Students thought the 70 years ended in 536 BC. There were other considerations regarding 539 BC, but someone is misrepresenting Russell's ideas to create a nonsensical argument.
"The chronological prophecy, which we will consider first, is the one associated with what is termed in the Scriptures, "the times of the Gentiles!' This prediction covers the long period in which the Jewish nation, God's ancient people have been under the dominion of earth's nations. The period began with the overthrow of Zedekiah, the last king of Judah. This is referred to in Ezekiel 22:25-27, as follows, "And thou profane, wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, thus saith the Lord God: Remove the diadem, and take off the crown . . . I will overturn, overturn, overturn it; and it shall be no more until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him." The period ends with the overthrow of the Gentile nations, which will occur at the end of the forty year harvest period, at the close of the present Gospel Age. Gentile times began then with the beginning of the seventy-years' desolation of the land of Israel, by the Kingdom of Babylon. The seventy years ended in 536 B. C., with the decree of Cyrus, king of Persia, permitting the Jewish people to go back to their land. It will therefore be seen that the overthrow of Zedekiah occurred just seventy years before this, in 606 B. C., which"
The ongoing obsession with distorting the era when Pastor Russell led the Bible Student movement defies rational thought and seems to reflect more on the mental state of the individuals perpetuating it. This has nothing to do with being a Jehovah's Witness.
It is evident that this person lacks in-depth knowledge of the Bible Students, the People's Pulpit, and the IBSA under Russell's guidance. They seem to rely on fragmented and distorted information to undermine the early teachings of those who were open to rediscovering Christianity from its foundations, just as the Early Christians did with Judaism. This kind of behavior is characteristic of someone who manipulates written information to serve nefarious purposes.
Another aspect of failure lies in the fact that while we may consider the assumption of the historical date of 539 BC within that context, it is equally true that we are referring to the genuine history that pertains to the "END" of that year, specifically in November-December or potentially even October-November.
What this false presentation fails to mention is that a dear friend and governor of Cyrus tragically passed away shortly after his conquest of Babylon. Additionally, Cyrus's beloved wife also passed away, leading to a period of mourning. Thus, the notion that the year 539 BC should be applied in any other context is unequivocally false.
That's why historical records indicate that Cyrus issued his decree to the Jews in and around March-April of 538 BC if we follow that timeline. Cyrus did not immediately command the Jews to leave his land in 539 BC as one individual would want to claim, thus giving a false impression.
Then you have the preparation and the long journey the Jews would have to deal with. The Jews didn't simply snap their figures like magicans in mid 538 BC to arrive in their land. The journey took many months in itself.
The idea of a false narrative about 1 or 2 years is simply unfounded. The year 537 BC can be fully substantiated based solely on historical facts.
These apostates and one incorrigible individual tirelessly engaged in a relentless battle of discord and division was shown a month by month explanation. That information, however, has conveniently been wiped away to prevent the public from grasping the undeniable truth, thus perpetuating a state of ignorance.
 

You express a profound truth that has unfortunately been overshadowed by a dogmatic mindset that persists to this day. The glaring reality about COJs lies is that he was unable to counter the evidence against the year 587 BC, which has already been refuted here for almost a decade now. It is perplexing that COJs and his fellow biased individuals, including one situated in the USA, did not take the time to examine Adam Rutherford's discoveries. Such an examination could have led them to a different and more substantiated position, rather than obstinately clinging to their unsupported arguments. The unequivocal conclusion remains that 587 BC, and not 607 BC, is the accurate date for the destruction of Jerusalem, as their reliance on misinterpreted historical data reveals by opposers.
Carl Olof Jonsson, even though he referred to himself in the third person, was resolute in his claim. When it was rejected by the Watchtower, he was driven to publish that distorted treatise.
The only ones keeping that apostate lie alive are opposers. They have relentlessly pursued this quest for a decade here, and I highly doubt they will ever cease. That is also a simple truth.

Now! Now! There's no need to get violent! 

If you think about it, that could also be God's perspective on false witnesses. Lol!
However, what sets Paul apart is that, being inspired by God, he took an additional step by urging us to have nothing to do with them. This is a profound expression of Christian love, as it serves to protect the purity of the congregation by preventing the influence and corruption of dissenters.

Neither is 587 BC, 586 BC, or 585 BC. It appears that Manuel is concerned about the time being wasted, and you persist in leading others astray, despite the historical evidence from 539 BC and Cyrus's decree in 538 BC. The Jews' arrival in Jerusalem aligns with scripture, indicating thorough preparation for the journey. Your claims lack historical support, and it's essential to acknowledge this, no matter your personal beliefs. Your opinions should be based on factual evidence.
Proving the occurrence of an event in 587 BC is much more compelling than relying on the unreliable VAT 4956, which can be open to multiple interpretations.

Your argument lacks coherence, as you are suggesting that people should not bother being prepared. Therefore, based on your standpoint, it seems that nobody should value their Christian life simply because you do not embrace it.
I sincerely hope that others will not be influenced by your example and advice. Personally, I have no intention of following it. I value my relationship with God, which allows me to encourage others to study scripture in the correct manner without any hindrance.

The understanding of "Keep Watch" among Christians in the past should not be underestimated. Just as no one can predict when a thief will enter a home, it does not imply that we should not take precautions and remain vigilant for any signs of neighborhood thefts. Only an unbalanced person would teach otherwise.
So, Matthew would have to be understood correctly along with Mark.

Mark 13:5-37
Common English Bible
Keep watch!
5 Jesus said, “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many people will come in my name, saying, ‘I’m the one!’ They will deceive many people. 7 When you hear of wars and reports of wars, don’t be alarmed. These things must happen, but this isn’t the end yet. 8 Nations and kingdoms will fight against each other, and there will be earthquakes and famines in all sorts of places. These things are just the beginning of the sufferings associated with the end.
9 “Watch out for yourselves. People will hand you over to the councils. You will be beaten in the synagogues. You will stand before governors and kings because of me so that you can testify before them. 10 First, the good news must be proclaimed to all the nations. 11 When they haul you in and hand you over, don’t worry ahead of time about what to answer or say. Instead, say whatever is given to you at that moment, for you aren’t doing the speaking but the Holy Spirit is. 12 Brothers and sisters will hand each other over to death. A father will turn in his children. Children will rise up against their parents and have them executed. 13 Everyone will hate you because of my name. But whoever stands firm until the end will be saved.
14 “When you see the disgusting and destructive thing standing where it shouldn’t be (the reader should understand this), then those in Judea must escape to the mountains. 15 Those on the roof shouldn’t come down or enter their houses to grab anything. 16 Those in the field shouldn’t come back to grab their clothes. 17 How terrible it will be at that time for women who are pregnant and for women who are nursing their children. 18 Pray that it doesn’t happen in winter. 19 In those days there will be great suffering such as the world has never before seen and will never again see. 20 If the Lord hadn’t shortened that time, no one would be rescued. But for the sake of the chosen ones, the ones whom God chose, he has cut short the time.
21 “Then if someone says to you, ‘Look, here’s the Christ,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 22 False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen. 23 But you, watch out! I’ve told you everything ahead of time.
We are currently witnessing a phenomenon of apostasy in the world, and it is also present here. Those who disagree should provide solid evidence to challenge scripture, rather than making baseless accusations. Comparing Russell's early teachings, which have been manipulated and distorted, to the present doctrines of the Watchtower is not only ignorant but also perpetuates a path built on deception and falsehoods.

We’re getting ready to stone him as you speak.

You are mistaken. It is you who is creating a false narrative. Pyramidology, largely considered to be Christian Science, was actually opposed by Pastor Russell. Despite this, you continue to assert that he accepted it based on a few acknowledgments in articles. You are the one perpetuating this false impression.
Correct, along with the IBSA were directed by Pastor Russell while "others" in the Bible Student Association directed themselves. The confusion is with the word independent.
What I meant to say, you were, and You're absolutely right; he was disputing the years 607 BC and AD 1914, just like you. Therefore, let's not deviate from the subject and misinterpret what I am trying to say by distorting my words.
Exactly. We all have the right to evaluate any written information and I, too, have the right to dismiss your unfounded assertions. It is futile to introduce additional dates to divert attention and change the topic when you find yourself losing an argument. Hence, you have no credibility to deny the evidence based on historical facts. The public deserves to be aware of where this deceit is originating from.
Other than the well-documented Babylonian Chronicles, I fail to see how any other evidence could possibly illuminate you on matters you are unwilling to comprehend. Once more, who are you to dismiss historical evidence simply because it contradicts your unfounded assertions? You're constantly contradicting yourself. I personally find it hilarious, but you're deliberately confusing the public. Why? What's your end game with all this manipulation? Is your group of people in the closed club now questioning your credibility?

By the way, the topic here is "Watchtower's 1914 Chronology - Ad Nauseam." I used Adam Rutherford to illustrate the false narratives that apostates have used concerning the Babylonian Chronicles, especially an uneducated person like Carl Olof Jonsson, whom you have supported in the past. As an ex-Bethelite, he claimed to align the Babylonian Chronicles with 607 BC and relate this to 1914.
Adam Rutherford has not been endorsed by me for the purpose of pyramidology. This tactic of diversion is an attempt to confuse by introducing a different topic while failing to support baseless claims of refuting 607 BC, despite persisting in lying to the public about it. Stick to the subject at hand without deflecting. Pudgy isn't here to do your dirty work, as you seem to prefer making him look bad in front of the public. Now, the public can see the real you and what you stand for.
You made incorrect assertions regarding the dates 607 BC, 537 BC, and AD 1914. Additionally, your understanding of the biblical interpretation of 2520 years is flawed. Over the past decade, you have actively tried to disprove these dates, but your efforts have been futile. It seems as though you have become an apostate, refusing to acknowledge and accept the explanations provided by other scholars, apart from Jehovah's Witnesses. Who has given you the audacity to consider yourself the ultimate authority on knowledge, rejecting and denying everything else?
This is no longer about debates, but rather a battle to keep a false narrative alive that serves no purpose other than to create conflict and division. Why do you identify yourself as JW? These opinions hold no value, so why the need for an open discussion that brings shame to God?
Stop insinuating that the concept of "truth" is an ad hominem attack in an attempt to rationalize and utilize it against me in order to justify my banishment under that regulation, especially when you are equally responsible. The general public is well aware of your deceptive tactics. Simply because I honestly employ the truth, which you happen to find displeasing, does not give you the right to become enraged and ban me solely because you are losing an argument and your shortcomings are being revealed by the power of truth.
Don't manipulate me to justify your public accusations of my need for a ban, when it is actually you who should have been expelled a long time ago.

I comprehend your intention to convey your message to the general public, so I will entrust that task to you and your proxies.
The sole responsibility lies with you. Instead of acknowledging your mistakes, you consistently resort to deflecting and redirecting blame. It is clear that the true failure here, for the past ten years, has been you—an ex-Bethelite, who not only uses ad hominem responses but also seeks to blame others for the unchristian behavior of your group. Let's not forget that I do not possess the authority to ban individuals like you and Tom do. Thus, continue deceiving yourself, for the public I am concerned about is well aware of your misleading tactics.
That's what frustrates you, the things that are right in front of your face, yet you are too oblivious to see them. You claim to be a researcher, so why not utilize your discernment and stop relying on others to guide you like a child? You reject facts from history, so how can anyone present information that your closed-mindedness would even consider accepting? I have no intention of trying to impress you, as you are insignificant to me. I will leave that to those who share your mindset.
I have warned the public about this false impression. They can see for themselves that he is referring to that specific pyramid, not others as I claimed. It's clear that you are trying to confuse and manipulate them.
It appears that the source of dishonesty lies with you. Pastor Russell's sole purpose in being intrigued by the Great Pyramid was its alignment with his existing knowledge. Your fixation on labeling Pastor Russell as a spiritualist is unfounded. Merely mentioning Smyth does not indicate anything other than the fact that information of interest was being shared by "other" Bible Student associations.
Cease your false representation of a person who was sincerely seeking to rediscover Christianity, in order to perpetuate your deceitful allegations.
Those who can read English accurately can discern the false narrative you attempted to convey. I appreciate that you shared it. I mentioned volume 3 so that people could see for themselves how Pastor Russell, whom you dismiss as a false witness from a bygone era, has no connection to the present-day Watchtower. You are just another apostate, similar to Srecko, who used to engage in futile arguments. However, there is no endorsement in the correspondence between them, as it was a common practice among brethren to share their interests through writing. In this particular case, even the Bible Students, who you try to vilify, were forced to defend him against individuals like you. The discussion concerning the GREAT PYRAMID was for a distinct reason unrelated to spiritualism.
Consider another observation: it seems there might be a misconception about the word "CHAPTER," as Brother William M. Wright pointed out that you have.
Who placed that stone near Pastor Russell's grave? It seems like another attempt to create chaos and mislead. Why do you feel the need to sow doubt and confusion among people? What drives your misguided sense of compassion that contradicts everything Christ taught? There is no advantage in engaging in the work of the devil, so who gave you the authority to pass judgment on others as you will be judged?
The Watchtower Bible Students did not authorize the gravestone. A dedicated group of Bible Students, using their own resources, arranged for the placement of the gravestone in proximity to Pastor Russell's burial site. The main distinction lies in the fact that the Bible Student Associations and the "people pulpit and IBSA" are often mistaken to be the same, but they should be clearly differentiated as they are not one and the same. However, you persist in embarking on a senseless journey of bewilderment.
Quit attempting to impress others. It is evident that you lack a deep understanding of biblical student history and are merely regurgitating arguments from those who have strayed from the faith.
I will not accept your misleading tactics and posted articles, just as you reject mine. People have the ability to read "everything" for themselves, without having to selectively choose articles that create a distorted view, while disregarding other written articles that provide evidence-based facts.