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13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
in Jesus' time, such trials were held before the whole Christian Congregation
There seems to be either an anachronism or a confusion of tense here depending on your position.
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2 hours ago, Anna said:
Why can't all 7 elders consist of the committee?
THEY CAN!
Lets' put the congregation and the elders' families on hold for commitees to do their work!
Bur really, it isn't necessary, isn't required, they do not want to, you can think of other reasons yourself surely.
There is no rule that says they can't and no rule that says they must. Or were you seeking one that says they must? The body of elders delegate to a commitee and agree on its members. And that commitee doesn't have to be only 3 and nor does it have to consist only of local brothers.
2 hours ago, Anna said:a possibility of bias due to obvious friendship above and beyond just a brother in the congregation
If this is the case, get elders in that have no friendship bias, and if that didn't happen, there is an appeal process.
Not sure what the problem is here??
I do not think there is any point in getting to anecdotal or hypothetical examples here.
There is no rule on numbers for a judicial commitee other than 3 at least,, and no restriction on who they are, other than qualified. Practical violations of this are a matter for the appeals process.
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2 hours ago, Anna said:
When a judicial committee is formed, why does it only consist of three elders (usually)
It is not a rule:
km Sep 77:
A judicial committee need not be limited to three members. The Scriptures do not give any specific number of older men who handled cases of wrongdoing in the early Christian congregation. Older men who served in the community during Israel’s history may have heard cases according to their availability at the city gate. For example, Boaz selected ten of the older men of the city to hear the matter he had to present. (Ruth 4:1, 2) However, everyone in the community was under the Law covenant arrangement then, and this added to the number for whom the older men were responsible. Within each congregation today, the number would not be that great in most cases, so three would usually be sufficient to have on a judicial committee. Where the gravity of what is involved warrants having four or even five experienced men to serve, this may be arranged.
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On 7/8/2018 at 7:38 PM, Jack Ryan said:
“It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs
This Golden-Age Jan 16 1924 quote loses a degree of absurdity when seen in context. It is lifted from an observation made regarding an evolution/creation debate in the media of the time. The still puzzling purpose of God's creation of "germs which cause disease" seems to be an underlying theme to the public argument and the responding observation in the Golden Age. William Jennings Bryans' contention was that the creation of such organisms with their disease-causing potential preceded Adam. This was challenged by Dr. Charles W. Stiles on the basis that to admit otherwise would be to concede evolutionary properties to organisms that (post Adam) "evolved into disease germs". He further deduced on the basis of Mr Bryans' view that Adam had the potential for being infected with a whole range of diseases, unless he lived (strangely) in China, an area presumably free of disease bearing germ afflictions at the time of writing.
Enter the Golden Age observation quoted above. The point made is that other factors are at work in the causing of disease than germs. Otherwise, all mankind woud have all the germ-caused diseases. The author might have added the word "solely" to his statement quoted for clarity. Even so, addressing the underlying attribution of causing disease to God is dismissed by the notion of such germs having been created as a recyling component, now with fallen mankind in their sights.
"In my opinion" is another phrase used by the writer, a phrase which applies equally to this posting.
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On 7/8/2018 at 8:49 PM, Jack Ryan said:
This quote will not age well..
Too right! Things have come a long way since 1985.
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42 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
What a logic?! haha
It's your logic you are describing here you know.
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On 9/25/2016 at 3:14 AM, Anna said:
???????
Whoah!...... hang on here! What's everyone getting worked up about?
This is a semi-fictitious blog account about an anonymous persons' unverified experience of incidents, some years past, spoken to an ex-lawyer turned blogger, then written down by the said blogger with the prime objective of gathering clicks.
Spending time on debating supposed moral issues raised by this stunted and deformed account makes about as much sense as taking seriously incidents presented by that other ex-lawyer turned blogger who has hosted a similarly themed video blog show.
His name escapes me at the moment???? He was actually born in the UK, but got popular on US TV...........who was he????. It'll come to me in a minute ...fake histrionics.....accused of inciting violence betweeen show participants....etc etc... they're going to call him "Judge Jerry" soon.......................I got it! Gerald Norman Springer.
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"a judge issued a warrant for Jones' arrest on Feb. 20.
Jones turned himself in on Monday. He was charged with disorderly conduct."
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On 2/11/2019 at 8:56 AM, Srecko Sostar said:
according some elders/congregations rule :))))
There you go.. You can't win them all.
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Maybe the question needs refining to can anyone who is not a baptised Christian perform another's Christian baptism?
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This one is a.....hmmm.......greenhouse!!
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3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
W people "eagerly" waiting Armageddon, but when this sort of Armageddon comes on JW people, than all come to be unhappy and blame satan, evil Government, Police, President etc. Going to UN, OSCE, Strasbourg for help and religious freedom. WT pressing charges and similar. Why, if "prophecies" must be fulfilled? Why if Bible say, "happy are those who are persecuted" ?
does this describe how you were?
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6 hours ago, Witness said:
Did a foreign nation want Jesus killed, or was he persecuted by his own people?
Both
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3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
By openly talking about what you know about JW as religion, and not doing "theocratic warfare" or hiding and lying to agents, police, they can lightening pressure.
"At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.” But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” Matt.16:22-23.
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33 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Second, JW people thought they have to be "faithful" and not to say names and addresses.
What should they have done?
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5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
I see no signs that Srecko is not still a worshipper of God, therefore God, through Jesus Christ is judge,
Which excludes your assessment no doubt.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Who is Srecko supposed to be 'under reprimand' by
Apart from the obvious Scriptural reprimand, there are admissions I have just noted to being an ex JW in Sreko Sostar postings which constitute the same.
5 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Please remember I had years in the JW Org, so I talk from some experience
Of course you do. And your reaction to that experience is that you are now (happily I presume) an ex JW along with those others you refer to. Just as John said.
I can't understand why you just can't seem to go on and enjoy your independent life along with those others.
Anyway, pardon me for turning to other topics for now.
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Thankyou for the patchy transcript. The highlights help.
So this confirms the declaration I take it?
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1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Main question, More Important Question is: Do You and Does JW members ACCEPT This Declaration ?
:)))
Take that as a Yes then?
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5 minutes ago, Jay Iza said:
When was this brochure released?
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On 2/16/2019 at 8:15 PM, Jack Ryan said:
the actual legal document of his declaration
Did the courts accept this declaration?
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30 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:
dear Outta Here, wrong interpretation and misapplication of bible text, for sure
Rubbish! You're outside the camp, under reprimand.....accept it!
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:Because when a lot of them reach 16 they leave home and leave the JW Org. Kinda proves they are only in there because of pressure from parents. And some only get baptised because they have made some kind of 'deal' with parents to get other privileges at home...
Oh come on please. How does this observation of the obvious show any kind of insight? They are just like you surely? Start off for whatever reasons, then fizzle out for whatever reasons. Just as the apostle John stated centuries ago.
3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:It would be so lovely if it were possible to know how many JW's are under 16 years old.
That would be interesting indeed. But not readily available. Maybe we can get at least something from the 2014 analysis someone did in USA? (I know you have some geographical partialities..............).
Why does the whole body of elders in a congregation not serve on a judicial committee?
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It is not the perogative of a publisher to choose the elders that deal with a judicial matter that involves a proven offense that could result in a disfellowshipping. However, there could well be a suitability issue that an accuser (if it was that kind of a case) might make known. This might well influence the selection of elders. If elders were unaware of such an issue prior to the forming of a committee, it is still possible that alternative arrangements could be made. The responsibility for determinations in these cases lies with the body of elders though, not the "accuser".