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  1. Evacuated
    Not so much the meaning of terms, but how you think they apply.
  2. Evacuated
    Well, if you need to ask that question there is a presumption of possible obscurity ..so I think ...yes. Plain speech please.
  3. Evacuated
    Argument is not your forte @Shiwii. Try and speak straight. You might have more success.
  4. Evacuated
    Don't be soft. Diversity is not division.
  5. Evacuated
    About 4 people?
  6. Evacuated
    If you are going to use logical fallacy jargon, please explain what you mean, otherwise I will find you incoherent, and your argument equally.... fallacious. Please.
  7. Evacuated
    Great. Can you recommend something? Good to hear. It appears consistent with the way the word is used in English generaly as well.
  8. Evacuated
    Good. Who on earth is this?
  9. Evacuated
    No need to emphasise this, I certainly have felt the level of malice some appear to have. How are you privy to such insight as this? Where on earth do these dark things you are alluding to take place?
  10. Evacuated
    Was this the 1st Century? 1 Cor.5:11: "stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man" 2John 10-11:"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
  11. Evacuated
    Excuse me interjecting here, but I am sure that Catholics not understanding or agreeing with how the doctrine of torment in hell could be real might have been provided with persuasion of a little more physical nature than the application of scriptures.....
  12. Evacuated
    Seems to indicate you understand the meaning of "generation" as per the wt/gb.
  13. Evacuated
    No, wrongly anticipated. We have no basis for judgement is my point, faithful once, or otherwise. All we can see is their desertion, regardless of their justification. It may well be that erroneous views were promoted at the time, which we can pronounce as so now very well, in hindsight. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do....and many, if not all, did! There was enough truth adhered, to even in those days, for any so minded as Peter to conclude: "“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life." John 6:68. But........connect me back up with the theme?????
  14. Evacuated
    Good. I don't think it is?
  15. Evacuated
    James. I would love to share your simple view. I agree with this, but you cannot be serious when you say that "THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF ONE BEING GENERATED." is what Jesus meant in his prophecy. This word "generation" has more than one meaning which has been thoroughly discussed elsewhere. I'm only going to quote the Insight article on the subject which says of Jesus: "However, he was also using the word “generation” with reference to humans whose lives would in some way be associated with the foretold events during his presence." That definition allows for more than "the average lifespan of one being generated" in that it does not focus on a chronologoical aspect of the word's meaning, but on an associative or qualitative aspect. That of course allows for more than one generation, by your definition, to be included in the same grouping. Do you think that is wrong?
  16. Evacuated
    Good illustration re. the schoolchildren It's such a simple concept, it only gets complicated by people trying to explain who ISN'T part the generation!
  17. Evacuated
    Something goes rather subtly off track in all these "generation" discussions for me. It really makes absolutely no difference to the reality of the situation whatever any of us think about the way the final "generation" before Armageddon is structured. The basic idea of two groups of people, whose lives overlap, spanning a period of time delineated by the year 1914CE and the (yet unknown) outbreak of the "great tribulation", is so elementary that it does not require even a child's chalkboard to explain. There are illogical dissections going one. For example: Who are "them"? How do we know that those disputing and leaving the Bible Students back then were actually anointed at all? Maybe only those proving loyal in the face of trials were genuine in the first place. How about: We have discussed this before, but to me, if something is said to be discerned as starting in 1874CE, still continuing in 1943CE, then regardless of revising the start date due to erroneous chronology or doctrine, if that start date includes the year 1914CE in its span, then the event is discerned in 1914CE regardless of any error in interpretation of detail. Really, the only way we are going to know if our current view of an overlapping group of people, connected by their shared experience and destiny, are indeed the "generation" Jesus was referring to, is to be there when the "great tribulation" starts, and by Jehovah's underserved kindness, to be there when the final post Armageddon dust settles. Isn't that the important element of this?
  18. Evacuated
    True, but irrelevant to the generation discussion. We all know that the generation of 1914, consists of a number of generations any way you care to slice and dice those living in these "last days". Very good point actually, but such an irresistable discussion!. Anyway, I'm out of here until discipline is restored. No disrespect to @JWInsider. Apologies to @Librarian.
  19. Evacuated
    Now (with respect) don't you overstep either. This refers to " the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction". There's absolutely nothing wrong in being interested in these times and seasons, as long as we try to avoid (with difficulty on occasion) the snare of second guessing Jehovahs timetable. And we can also be very interested in those "times and seasons that the Father has not placed in, or has released from, "his own jurisdiction". (There is ample evidence of this in the Hebrew Scriptures). And a healthy interest in such matters is encouraged by Jesus in his admonitions to "keep on the watch", and illustrations in connection with "slaves" and "virgins", regardless of not knowing the day or hour. Also by Peter at 1Pet.1:10-11: "Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the undeserved kindness meant for you made a diligent inquiry and a careful search.  They kept on investigating what particular time or what season the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ as it testified beforehand about the sufferings meant for Christ and about the glory that would follow.." and 2Pet.3:12 "........await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah......." And indeed the apostle Paul: Romans 13:17 And do this because you know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers." 1Cor.7:29 "...the time left is reduced..." And with regard to an appropriate level of interest, the 2008 Watchtower quoted earlier demonstrates this adequately for me in that it states: "Therefore, by using the term “this generation,” as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when “the last days” would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know “that day and hour.”
  20. Evacuated
    Still banging on about the "generation" here are we? Well, nothing wrong with that (Acts 1:6), as long as we don't fall out over it. Interesting quote in 2008 WT 15 Feb: "The word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. For example, Exodus 1:6 tells us: “Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation.” Joseph and his brothers varied in age, but they shared a common experience during the same time period. Included in “that generation” were some of Joseph’s brothers who were born before him. Some of these outlived Joseph. (Gen. 50:24) Others of “that generation,” such as Benjamin, were born after Joseph was born and may have lived on after he died. So when the term “generation” is used with reference to people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated except that it does have an end and would not be excessively long. Therefore, by using the term “this generation,” as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when “the last days” would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know “that day and hour.”—2 Tim. 3:1; Matt. 24:36." Is that difficult to grasp? Is there something wrong with me because I think I understand what this says? And it considerably precedes JW Broadcasting and Brother Splane's discussion in (I think) 2015. I find it infinitly easier to understand compared to this attempt : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlapping_generations_model
  21. Evacuated
    Not so much, just there's a few sensitive ones round here
  22. Evacuated
    Now that wasn't so difficult actually was it? I'll overlook the offensive bluster. I know you are capable of an entirely rational response (as in the first quote) when you are in a better frame of mind. You should try and get a handle on what stresses you out so much 'though. It can't be healthy! Are you holding a grudge or something?? Anyway, take it easy mate! PS. Could you like my comment please. I've just noticed my reputation figure stands at 666 and I don't like liking my own posts!!
  23. Evacuated
    @AllenSmith. Sorry, can't quote you. It's just too lengthy to dissect! You are rattled, and, as you loose your command of language when that happens, I just do not really follow the syntax of your 90 word sentence. Take a step back and chill out, mate, and maybe some sense, which you are quite capable, of will ensue. Meanwhile, stop mixing the media with the message. An idol can be portrayed in any media but this does not taint the media itself necessarily, although the media itself can be idolised. And just keep your insulting rhetoric to either yourself, or those who want to lock horns with you on obscurity. I much prefer it when you reason clearly, which you do on occasion. If you are prepared to engage sensibly I will respond. Otherwise, don't waste your breath and bandwidth.
  24. Evacuated
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. Get it on!!
  25. Evacuated
    As already stated, the only answer to your question Why....does Jehovah God forbid tattoos? is : Jehovah God does not forbid tattoos. The question could have been asked: "Why did Jehovah forbid the Jewish nation to tattoo themslves?" Or "Does Jehovah God forbid Christians to have tattoos? If Yes, Why?" Different, more informative answers may then have ensued. Another variation could have been Why....doesn't Jehovah God forbid tattoos? To which a JTR type response such as "Because He couldn't care less about tattoos" might have been suggested. As it is, those questions were not asked, and as the question that was asked is basically invalid, the answer given.....remains as: Jehovah God does not forbid tattoos.
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