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Evacuated

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  1. Those that can't bear others getting expensive gifts probably have their hands in the till... or would like to (John 12:5-6) etc., etc. (This is fun )
  2. We discussed this issue in our Pioneer school. The unanimous conclusion was that the Bible indicates clearly that there is more happiness in giving, but says nothing about there being no happiness in receiving. Get a life!
  3. The idea that any participation of the God we know as Jehovah could be related to magical gobbledegook on the part of any of these groups, ancient or modern, reduces the true God to the level of the genie in the magic lamp, subject to the whims of men. In that way you are basically insulting Him. Not the action of a wise man! Yes, that's true. But even so, I would imagine that, regarding this silly idea, Charles Russell would share the sentiment his colleague and successor, Joseph Rutherford experienced over his 1925 theory when he said: "I made an ass of myself" WT Oct 1, 1984 p21.
  4. “What you vow, pay". says Ecclesiastes 5:4. When a Bethelite leaves the voluntary service privilege they have enjoyed as a member of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, and does not enter another avenue of service in that arrangement, the vow is no longer binding. It has been paid and is therefore set aside as fulfilled.
  5. I can see a difference but not in the sense of discrepancy I'm afraid. Despite the volume of argument and background presented, the only real similarity I can see here between Malawi and Mexico is in the purchase of a card. Apart from that, it seems like a case of "apples and oranges". I can, however, see another parallel. Consider the activity of the muderous Malawi Young Pioneers (MWP), attempting to force Jehovah's Witnesses to purchase a card indicating complete support for a dictatorial, personality-cultist, psycopathic despot. Compare this with what Wikipedia (partly) describes under "Nazi salute": "Jehovah's Witnesses came into conflict with the Nazi regime because they refused to salute Adolf Hitler with the traditional "Heil Hitler" salute, believing that it conflicted with their worship of Jehovah. Because refusing to salute Hitler was considered a crime, Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested, and their children attending school were expelled, detained and separated from their families." Would we then by the same argument suggest that the Witnesses taking a stand against participating in the Nazi salute was somehow indicating discrepancy with the excercise of conscience by Mexican brothers? I fail to see a relevant comparison.
  6. Review of a decision of the Supreme Court against the Jehovah's Witnesses is scheduled for July 17, 2017 https://jw-russia.org/
  7. For starters: *** Insight-2 p. 1162 Vow *** VOW A solemn promise made to God to perform some act, make some offering or gift, enter some service or condition, or abstain from certain things not unlawful in themselves. A vow was a voluntary expression made of one’s own free will. Being a solemn promise, a vow carried the force of an oath or a swearing, and at times the two expressions accompany each other in the Bible. (Nu 30:2; Mt 5:33) “Vow” is more the declaration of intent, while “oath” denotes the appeal made to a higher authority attesting to the truthfulness or binding nature of the declaration. Oaths often accompanied attestation to a covenant.—Ge 26:28; 31:44, 53.
  8. Here's a redemption opportunity. Why did the book mention 12 out of 13 cases when only 4 decisions were handed down that day (apparently)?
  9. What!!!! Now you really surprise me James. With your obvious command of the language I would have expected you to understand a "minimalist" as one who discriminates against..... short people!!
  10. Further to the secular definition suggested in my last post, the scriptures, of course, give an insight into Jesus's approach to life. For example: His behaviour: John 2:11; Matt.8:20; Matt 11:19; Luke 7:36-38 (Comp. John 12:3); Luke 10:41-42; John 19:23. His teachings: Matt. 6:25-32; Luke 12:15; Luke 21:34. The attitude of his followers: Ph.4:12; 1Tim.6:8.
  11. That'll be Douglas v. City of Jeannette https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/319/157/
  12. https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=17842 @Adele said: The download link is not working It is fine for me. Try above (Assume you have Adobe reader or something similar?)
  13. I was there for meetings in 1980. Maybe we were in the same room. I sat with Jack and Mildred Barr for the family WT as well.
  14. Out of interest, this term is used in the Chichewa bible to apply exclusively to Goliath in 1Samuel 17:4; 23 (champion), 51 (mighty one).
  15. *** Insight-1 pp. 787-788 Expelling *** During the time of his earthly ministry, Jesus gave instructions as to the procedure to follow if a serious sin was committed against a person and yet the sin was of such a nature that, if properly settled, it did not need to involve the Jewish congregation. (Mt 18:15-17) He encouraged earnest effort to help the wrongdoer, while also safeguarding that congregation against persistent sinners. The only congregation of God in existence then was the congregation of Israel. ‘Speaking to the congregation’ did not mean that the entire nation or even all the Jews in a given community sat in judgment on the offender. There were older men of the Jews that were charged with this responsibility. (Mt 5:22) Offenders who refused to listen even to these responsible ones were to be viewed “just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector,” association with whom was shunned by the Jews.—Compare Ac 10:28.
  16. Me too. The address we were given was: His Excellency the Life President of Malawi Ngwazi Dr. H. Kamuzu Banda Central Government Offices Private Bag 301 Capital City Lilongwe 3 Malawi, Central Africa Ngwazi meant "chief of chiefs" (more literally, "great lion", or, some would say, "conqueror") in Chicheŵa. (Wikipedia)
  17. Christians from Malawi know what happens in Mexico surely. This is no secret. Who by? If you mean the brothers in Malawi, have you got a comment from any of them?
  18. Another subject that seems to fan the flames. Malawi Congress Party card? Purchase seeming to endorse the Banda personality-cult dictatorship with all it's trimmings. Can't see any difference with the "Heil Hitler" salute myself. I see it as an act of worship. Violates Jehovah's law. Mexican military service cartilla? Corrupt system where mid-ranking officials impose "unofficial tax" to endorse marching participation certification. Common and generally tolerated (not approved) practice, along with other similar "unofficial" charges for Government administrative services. Document does not exempt from military service at time of war, but allows for obtaining other legal documentation such as driving and travel permits. Show me an incorrupt government. Make your choice. Accept the consequence. It's up to you. Conscience matter for me. Oath of allegience to US? Can't see why GB members are singled out? Excuse my ignorance, but isn't this oath taken by anyone getting a US passport or becoming a US citizen? There should be 1000's of photos here. Seems to be an affirmation to uphold US values? Seems to reflect the spirit of Rom 13:7. Even constitutional rights are reflected in the wording of the oath. We are not suggesting that JWs can't take oaths are we? (another thread for that please, although that topic would seem dead in the water.) It's up to you. Conscience matter for me. Has anyone considered the comparative consequences of action in connection with these issues? That might indicate something in connection with their importance to a Christian.
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