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    IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......

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    1 minute ago, Anna said:

    What is the criterion for surviving the GT?

     

    15 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:

    Rev. 7:14

    Matt.24:34,40 is also applicable, and even Rom.10:13. As for the exact logistics of how exactly this will occur, I'll (hopefully) discuss it with you a little later. :)

    IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......

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    16 minutes ago, Anna said:

    "if we remain united with the authentic and discreet slave of Jehovah's Witnesses, will lead us to survive the great tribulation"

    The way I understand this is much better expressed in scripture, e.g. Rev. 7:14. Certainly, remaining united within the true Christian congregation, whatever form it takes, and however it is directed, will enable those faithful servants of Jehovah who are remaining at that time(no limitation on numbers implied)  to survive the great tribulation and Armageddon.

    IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......

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    Just a P.S. really.

    Ambiguity and misunderstanding can arise when using the word "devote". It has a range of meanings today that may obscure understanding the word as it is used in the NWT to translate original language expressions in mostly the Hebrew and to a lesser extent the Greek Scriptures.

    Exodus 20:5 is relevant in this context; also 1Tim 4:8. As is the Miriam Webster definition:

    Definition of devotion

    1a :  religious fervor :  piety

    1b :  an act of prayer or private worship —usually used in plural during his morning devotions c :  a religious exercise or practice other than the regular corporate (see corporate 2) worship of a congregation

    2a :  the act of dedicating something to a cause, enterprise, or activity :  the act of devoting; the devotion of a great deal of time and energy

    2b :  the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal "her devotion to the cause";  filial devotion

    3 (obsolete) :  the object of one's devotion

    Probably another thread required to take this further.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’

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    Trying to get a picture of the Ministry of Justice witnesses and testimony but it is difficult to get any thing further than: 

    Natalia Koretskaya.  JW for 14 years. Disfellowshipped in 2009 for immorality??

    Pavel Zverev. JW at young age. Seems to have spent 2 years as a cook in Bethel after having been "dissuaded" from seeking further education at age 16yrs?

    Nina Petrova. In organisation for 28 years! and pressured not to have a family until too late?

    A fourth witness is not detailed.

    There seems to be additional issues for some with depression and alcoholism after "quitting" the organisation.

    They all seem of the view that they were subject to "total control" whilst with Jehovah's Witnesses. (Perhaps not completely "total" as they seem to be no longer associated.)

    If the judge is expressing lack of clarity on the objective of the MOJ presentation with all the information at their disposal, what hope do we have when subjected to these obscured accounts?

    I understand @JamesThomasRook 's frustration on reporting from both sides of the matter expressed elsewhere.

    7/17 Wt. “Seeking Riches That Are True”

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    22 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    in principle, Jesus does speak out against bankers.

    Has something been mispelt here? I've liked on the basis of what I think you mean.

    Anyway, I would be concerned if the Society did not invest prudently a proportion of its assets. I would see otherwise as a negligent mismanagement of donated resources.

    Why don't Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate Easter?

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    51 minutes ago, JW Insider said:
    On 3/27/2016 at 2:30 AM, Jay Witness said:

    Could it be said that our "Memorial" is our "Easter"?

    In a sense, YES

    Why do we even want to find common ground on this?  I could tolerate that "Easter", (or more specifically, "Good Friday"), could be viewed as Christendom's version of the Memorial.   But really....which came first? The (true) Christians or the Egg?? 

    Matt 24:14 Fulfilled?

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    2 hours ago, John Houston said:

    Peace and security is going now as we speak

    Is that your personal view?

    3 hours ago, Anna said:

    extremely large populations such as India and China with over 1.3. billion each totaling aprox. 36% of the world's population

    Very good observation.

    I suspect that the apostles had many questions like this  when Jesus commanded them to "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations". And they had no idea of the scope of this work in the detailed manner that is possible for us in these times. 

    Of course, Jesus last words at that time guaranteed success right down to our day and beyond :"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." Matt. 28:18-20.

    Matt 24:14 Fulfilled?

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    8 hours ago, Tammie Nokes said:

    I would like the same information as nothing official like that has been announced. Is the brother a Bethelite?

    Good question. Sounds like he feels passionate about his view.

    Couple of points that interested  me. First, he said that only 3 countries in the world have no Jehovahs Witnesses now: Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan. Can anyone verify or corroborate this?

    Second he said that now that the good news has been preached ( I won't take issue with that here), the very next prophecy to be fulfilled is Rev.17:15-17, the destruction of Babylon the Great. Is he right on this? Did I miss something? Recently I read the following in God's Kingdom Rules; Page 222-3; paras 3-4:

    Precursor of “Sudden Destruction”
    3 Proclaiming peace. In writing to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul described the first development that we are awaiting. (Read 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3.) In this letter Paul mentions “Jehovah’s day,” which will begin with the attack on “Babylon the Great.” (Rev. 17:5) However, just before Jehovah’s day begins, nations will be saying, “Peace and security!” This expression may refer to one pronouncement or to a series of notable statements. Will religious leaders be involved? Since they are part of the world, they will possibly join the nations in saying, “There is peace!” (Jer. 6:14; 23:16, 17; Rev. 17:1, 2) This proclaiming of peace and security will signal that the day of Jehovah is about to begin. Enemies of God’s Kingdom “will by no means escape.”
    4 How do we benefit from understanding the significance of this prophecy? Paul states: “You are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves.” (1 Thess. 5:3, 4) Unlike people in general, we discern where current events are heading. In exactly what manner will this prophecy about peace and security be fulfilled? We must wait and see how the world scene develops. Therefore, “let us stay awake and keep our senses.”—1 Thess. 5:6; Zeph. 3:8.

    So, does this brother know something I don't know?
     

     

    Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?

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    1 hour ago, The Librarian said:

     

    @Eoin Joyce I would personally prefer @bruceq 's work on the transcript because we can discuss and ask questions on the content rather than just read it.

     

    Yes, I agree that @bruceq does good work. Unfortunately, my browser displays the posting times irritatingly out of sync with the text in the forum postings so I have to use side by side with the original anyway. Hopefully not everyone's problem. :)

    Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

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    8 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    People who do not believe in any god have sacrificed their lives

    Fact is that humans have given their lives for all manner of causes, real and imagined, religious and secular, admired and condemned by others. 

    It is an extraordinary feature of humans that, throughout history, some are prepared to place principle above immediate personal survival. This has been exploited by religious and political schemers throughout that same history.

    Jehovah made man this way, and recognised it in tolerating Satan's cynical and false assertion that “Skin for skin. A man will give everything that he has for his life" (Job 2:4). In fact, and to the contrary, a man will give his life for everything that he holds dear.

    In his attempt to prove otherwise, Satan has caused many lives to be sacrificed, not the least those described at Ps.116:15: "Costly [Lit. Precious] in the eyes of Jehovah Is the death of his loyal ones.".

    It is true that the relative, though sadly often only temporary, peace many of us presently enjoy has been hard won by the sacrifice of brave men and women, who regardless of their ignorance of the real issue, have served to prove the Devil's lie. It is reassuring to contemplate that their lives have not been wasted. In the coming Messianic kingdom, even those countless "Unknown Soldiers" will be back to tell their stories, and to embrace at last "the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ" 2Cor. 4:4. This is something far better than plaques and statues, memorial days and moments of mass silence. Or the embittered tears of fatherless, motherless, brotherless, sisterless families.

    Then they will learn about the greatest and most efficacious sacrifice ever made, the Ransom Sacrifice of Jehovahs greatest warrior, His Son, Jesus Christ. And that event all who love Jehovah in the world today will be commemorating on Tuesday 11 April 2017 after sundown. And we can now do this shoulder to shoulder with our brothers and sisters in Russia, knowing that Jehovah has given them this brief respite. And we can pray that Jehovah will fortify them for the uncertainty of the coming days as they too prove the lie to Satan's claim that “Skin for skin. A man will give everything that he has for his life".

    The Supreme Test of Abraham's Faith!

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    11 hours ago, Arauna said:

    "This dramatic episode proved the faith and obedience not only of Abraham but also of his son Isaac. Jewish tradition, recorded by Josephus, says that Isaac was 25 years old at the time. At any rate, he was old enough and strong enough to carry a considerable quantity of wood up a mountain.

    Interesting discussion. Something which came to mind for me reading this.

    We obviously cannot be any more certain of Isaac's age than the suggestion in the Insight book. The term "At any rate" is often used to modify the preceding statement in a sentence. In this case, the defining of a specific age for Isaac in Jewish tradition being speculative, the writer prefers reasoning on the task Isaac is carrying out as a preferable indicator of his age. In view of the comparison with Jesus, I would feel a need to place Isaac toward the upper end of the age spectrum here. However, that would be a personal judgement.

    Another interesting question for me relating to the demonstration of faith here would be in connection with Abraham's statement that "God himself will provide the sheep". Was Abraham using a  strategy as a consideration for Isaac's inadequate faith? Or was it a prophetic utterence, regarding the yet to be clarified ransom provision? After all, even the High Priest Caiaphas prophesied regarding the ransom without understanding the significance of his words (Jo 11:49-52). 

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