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    Evacuated reacted to Jack Ryan in JW sister sues a supermarket and gets a 140,000 dollars.   
    I don't really see the problem with the lawsuit. It's religious discrimination. I'd say the same thing regardless of the faith this person practices. The employer's story differs of course, but knowing how businesses typically treat their employees in the US, I'm not inclined to believe their version of events.
     
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    Evacuated reacted to Jack Ryan in RTL Nieuws Item 28th June 2018 - Item Jehovah's Witnesses   
     
    Item about child sexual abuse within community of Jehovah's Witnesses, RTL News (Netherlands), June 28th, 2018
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Sam Herd Compares Shunning your own Children to Casting out Demons.   
    Wow! I think you should find a Catholic discussion forum and bash that religion for a few years.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Mosque loses tax free status for promoting intolerance and hate.   
    Or the "state"?
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Shikinah in Jehovah’s Witness Elders Fined for Failure to Report Child Abuse: Watchtower Settles with Delaware   
    You neither understand nor correctly report my position on this matter and, frankly, appear to demonstrate incompetence in both reading and comprehension by a pathetically shallow response. You're probably tired. No one could exhibit such inability intentionally. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from sami in WT: Damaris rejects a scholarship and chooses to work in a bank instead because she PLANNED to become a pioneer. If she planned to pioneer, why did she even apply for university in the first place?   
    Me too.
    And without any particular college education, just plain old self-taught. 
    Using the intellectual freedom gained by pursuing rather mundane employment activities whilst "pioneering", I was able develop skills that later brought sufficient financial reward to care for personal familiy responsibilities, and then eventual financial independence to continue "pioneering" without secular constraints.
    Works well for me, but I have to admit: "t'was the Watchtower made me do it, Officer!"
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in WT: Damaris rejects a scholarship and chooses to work in a bank instead because she PLANNED to become a pioneer. If she planned to pioneer, why did she even apply for university in the first place?   
    It also helps a GREAT deal in getting a job, if you are willing to work at poverty wages.
    There comes a time in many peoples' lives when it is necessary to survive.
    Been there ... done that.
    That being said, I have never even heard of a Cardiac Specialist having trouble finding a job.
    Being poor is nothing to be ashamed of ... but it has NOTHING to recommend it.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WT: Damaris rejects a scholarship and chooses to work in a bank instead because she PLANNED to become a pioneer. If she planned to pioneer, why did she even apply for university in the first place?   
    Me too.
    And without any particular college education, just plain old self-taught. 
    Using the intellectual freedom gained by pursuing rather mundane employment activities whilst "pioneering", I was able develop skills that later brought sufficient financial reward to care for personal familiy responsibilities, and then eventual financial independence to continue "pioneering" without secular constraints.
    Works well for me, but I have to admit: "t'was the Watchtower made me do it, Officer!"
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in If God created everything, then who put the bad in the tree of knowledge?   
    Everything heavier than hydrogen was created later ... in Stars ..... through the fusion process, and Iron, and everything heavier than that, were created in Star Supernova explosions, also through the fusion process.
    God MADE Eden, and all things in it, from available materials.
    The "Tree of Knowledge" was like any other tree ... no different ....
    The "bad" was Adam and Eve's decision that their values were superior to God's values. and with that, as an example, the "discovered" that they were naked. 
    Perhaps lust had something to do with it?
    Or poison ivy, and ants?
    Those are three things that do not mix well with being naked.
    Jehovah did not care at all that they were naked, and neither did they, until they adopted their own independent value system.
    If you do not have the Freedom to be self destructive ... Freedom does not really exist.
    .... but Freedom exercised badly is .... oh ..... whats the word I want to use .... um ... oh yeah! ....  "BAD". 
    Like being waist deep in the swamp, and hand feeding a crocodile .... you would get a significant revelation.
    Knowledge!
    The "Tree of Knowledge" gave them no knowledge whatsoever, on any subject.
    It or its descendants possibly survived until the Noachian Flood.
    The "bad" was not in the tree ... neither was any actual  knowledge.
    By the way ... had it occurred to you that everyone on Earth alive today, or that has ever lived, under their clothes, is or was running around naked?
    Just like hand feeding a crocodile, if you make the decision to do that ... YOU WILL GET KNOWLEDGE !
    But ... it may cost you an arm and a leg!
     
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    Evacuated reacted to indagator in ὑπέρ at 2 Cor. 5:20 NWT   
    Member “Witness” at this forum has taken exception to the NWT’s rendering of 2 Cor. 5:20 as “substitutes for Christ”:

    https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/57458-five-year-old-raped-by-jehovahs-witness/

    She states, “There is only one translation that I have found for 2 Cor 5:20, that throws in the word “substitute” – not just once, but twice – the NWT.”

    What's the real story here? Is there any justification for the idea of substitution for Christ in this verse? A short one-page essay is attached.
    2 Cor 5.20.pdf
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Religious shunning leaves castoffs wondering why   
    Good point.
    But it's probably more about work than thermal efficiency.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Religious shunning leaves castoffs wondering why   
    They will have a problem when this happens then: 
    "Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power" 1 Cor.15:24.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Space Merchant in The Holy Spirit   
    Oh come on! Is that the best they can do? Surely when a rented house returns to its owner it doesn't change location?
    This is like the other attempt in saying that a spirit "going out" means it leaves the through the door or something? (Ps146:4) when it is just as when a flame "goes out".
    It just has to be accepted that on death a person would just cease to exist if it wasn't for the graciousness of the Creator who can restore a "lease on life" to anyone he wishes at less than the "flick of a switch".
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Kingdom Hall WiFi versus Personal Privacy   
    Google it.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jesus versus Adam: Fair?   
    Probably the nature of the test might give a clue?
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Early Christians, the New Testament and the Divine Name.   
    Found an excellent and very comprehensive review of the evidence on the topic. It's only 357 pages, too:
    https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/bitstream/11375/22823/2/meyer_anthony_r_finalsubmission2017october_phd.pdf
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Space Merchant in Why doesn't All-Powerful Jehovah Protect Young Witness Girls from Pedophiles in the Congregation?   
    This a very tempting conclusion and one that is constantly on my desktop. I am reluctant to file it as "agreed" for the simple reason that we just cannot know for sure what Jehovah does or does not do, unless He explicitly tells us. We just have to take His word for it on the basis of what He has revealed in the past. This appears to be one of the fundamental components of what we call "faith".
    When the first lie was told, it presented a conclusion that God was actually lying when He stated that Adam and Eve would die if they disobeyed Him. As no one had died up to that point, there was no way to counter that claim by any "verifiable actual fact". They chose to believe the contradictory statement. Their NOT dying immediately once they had acted on that conclusion may even have reinforced that view, for a period, despite their guilt. The facts proved otherwise...later.
    Anyway, the long and the short of it for me is that:
    1. Jehovah God CAN interfere (is intervene a better word?) with the will of the nations and individuals, and CAN change the normal outworking of any person, place or thing, any way He LIKES, as past verifiable and actual facts testify.
    2. Jehovah states that He WILL intervene with the will of nations and individuals, and WILL change the normal outworking of any person, place or thing, any way He likes, IF HE so chooses (and through the agency of His Son). (e.g. Is. 41:10; Matt.6:33; John 14:14).
    So on that basis, the tempting conclusion remains undrawn.
    I continue to thank Jehovah for good things that happen, ask for His blessing on personal action I believe to be founded on His will, and for His intervention in human affairs for a variety of scriptural reasons. I appreciate that my prayers give Jehovah an indication of where I am at spiritually, but that He is under no obligation at all to indicate to me where He is at. (Who can say to him, ‘What are you doing?’ Job 9:12).
    But I don't have that "genie in the bottle"  concept of the Creator that seems to be suspiciously lurking in the minds of some I meet.
     
     
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?   
    11 And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. 12 But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. 13 And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father’s house, that I said to her, ‘This is your kindness that you should do for me: in every place, wherever we go, say of me, “He is my brother.” ’ ”
    It seems to me Abraham married his step-sister?  Or would that be a cousin?
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?   
    bad = worse, worst unpleasant and causing difficulties or harm
    Not sure either of what you mean regarding my dentist not being the the god of this world, although he might as well be when he has me in the chair.
    However, the inference that because the devil is bad, all badness comes from him is still not logical.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Why doesn't All-Powerful Jehovah Protect Young Witness Girls from Pedophiles in the Congregation?   
    Valid point. They might also find the following hard to defend:
    The first report of a death from a serpent bite occurred in 1922 at the Church of God Evangel. In 1955, George Went Hensley, the founder of modern snake handling in the Appalachian Mountains, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service in Altha, Florida. In 1961, Columbia Chafin Hagerman died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Church of the Lord Jesus, Jolo, West Virginia. In 1967, Jean Saylor, wife of a snake-handling preacher, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake in Bell County, Kentucky. In 1982, Rev John Holbrook died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at the Lord Jesus Church in Jesus' Name in Mullensville, West Virginia. In 1983, Mack Ray Wolford died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Lord Jesus Temple in Mile Branch, near Iaeger, West Virginia. In 1995, Melinda Brown from Parrottsville, Tennessee died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, Kentucky. In 1995, Kale Saylor (husband of Jean), a Pentecostal preacher, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at a church in Crockett, Kentucky. In 1997, Daril Colins died after being bitten by a snake during a service in Bell County, Kentucky.[60] In 1998, John Wayne "Punkin" Brown (husband of Melinda), a snake-handling evangelist, died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Rock House Holiness Church in rural northeastern Alabama. In 2004, Dwayne Long, a Pentecostal pastor, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service in Jonesville, Virgininia. In 2006, Linda Long died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at East London Holiness Church, London, Kentucky. In 2012, Mark Randall "Mack" Wolford (son of Mack), a Pentecostal pastor, died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake while officiating at an outdoor service at Panther Wildlife Management Area, West Virginia. In 2014, Jamie Coots died after being bitten by a timber rattlesnake during a service at the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, Kentucky Coots starred in the TV series Snake Salvation and his death was widely reported. In 2015, John Brock died after being bitten by a rattlesnake during a service at Mossie Simpson Pentecostal Church in Jenson, Kentucky. (Courtesy Wikipedia)
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Why doesn't All-Powerful Jehovah Protect Young Witness Girls from Pedophiles in the Congregation?   
    No one has a definitive answer to these type of questions. It is best really to follow the scriptural statements such as those at James 1:17, Matt.5:45, Ps.34:7, Ecc.9:11.
    We know the angels are involved in the preaching activity, but only the most naive would draw a conclusion that the trolleys have guardian angels when we respectfully point out that on a personal basis this is not the case with humans.
    It is tempting to try and read into our work today the kind of events described in the early days as recorded in the book of Acts but sadly for some, such visible manifestations of Jehovah's angels working on behalf of humans have gone the same way as the gift of tongues.
    Very generous of you. But not an opinion I share at all.
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Space Merchant in Is the Governing body still "spirit directed"?   
    Seems to be an inference that if the group is "spirit-directed" it can't get things wrong, therefore if it does get things wrong, it cannot be "spirit-directed".
    There's a flaw in the logic here. It's like saying a doctor cannot be a good one if he can't drive.
    Get that flaw sorted and you might have a chance.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Space Merchant in The Holy Spirit   
    Jesus expression at Luke 23:46 seems to have more reference to "commiting" or "entrusting" his future life prospects to God as opposed to describing the death state which, whilst a relevant concept in view of the nature of Jesus mission to earth, is not the focus of attention here.
    The psalmist has it well described at Psalm 31:5 "Into your hand I commit (shall place) my spirit;" ESV. This is in harmony with Jesus earlier words: "let, not my will, but yours take place". Luke 22:42.

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    Evacuated got a reaction from sami in The Holy Spirit   
    Jesus expression at Luke 23:46 seems to have more reference to "commiting" or "entrusting" his future life prospects to God as opposed to describing the death state which, whilst a relevant concept in view of the nature of Jesus mission to earth, is not the focus of attention here.
    The psalmist has it well described at Psalm 31:5 "Into your hand I commit (shall place) my spirit;" ESV. This is in harmony with Jesus earlier words: "let, not my will, but yours take place". Luke 22:42.

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    Evacuated reacted to TrueTomHarley in Jesus versus Adam: Fair?   
    You are being too cerebral about this.
    Take a fruit with you from the supermarket out the door, without paying for it, making it a forbidden fruit.
    The experience will help you see the problem from a new perspective. If it does not, I will appear at your trial as a character witness.
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