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    Evacuated reacted to Melinda Mills in  Do you think it is ok to discipline children at the Kingdom Hall?   
    Matthew9969     It is not adult content.( We don't have Sunday School where the parents send their children and they stay at home. Everyone learns together.)  Read what Jehovah said about it.
    (Deuteronomy 31:12, 13) 12 Congregate the people, the men and the women and the little ones and your alien resident who is within your gates, in order that they may listen and in order that they may learn, as they must fear Jehovah YOUR God and take care to carry out all the words of this law. 13 And their sons who have not known should listen, and they must learn to fear Jehovah YOUR God all the days that YOU are living upon the soil to which YOU are crossing the Jordan to take possession of it.”
    Learn to trust Jehovah. Jehovah knows it is good for children to sit quietly and listen.   They learn discipline by what they see they parents do.  If the parents pay keen attention, the children imitate that. If the parents chew gum, get up every half hour, talk while the speaker is talking, etc, that is what the children learn.  Little people are capable of much more than we think.
     
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Legal Protection Offered by JW.org   
    The context was use of the Internet. What he said was: "Be careful on the Internet...I don't know how many times we have to tell you, be careful!...We're just warning you. That's all we can do is admonish . . ..Stick with what we have authorised; you will be safe. You want to go out there? It's at your spiritual risk."
    A person who claims to be an apostate has put up just a short snippet here as if it is something more nefarious, but keep it in context and notice that it doesn't say, "you will be saved."
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1989 Watchtower   
    Thankfully someone is correcting these mistakes.
    Even better to have them brought to our attention. It's like having a personal secreary!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017 - Jan 2018   
    Go catch your own snipes!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What does not passing the collection plate really mean anyway?   
    No not me. Are you thinking of @Srecko Sostar who said:
    "i am just "mule" who stubbornly stops on the road  and speak :))))))))) find the parable if you can, hehehe "
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Australia - Who Decides? - Children? - Children can decide their medical treatments under the only laws of anticipation of victory.   
    Over extension. Might have been in your case but not in the mind of a balanced person.
    You make other, similar, extreme statements that may well reflect your own thinking, but should not be assumed as a basis for everyone else's.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Nana Fofana in What does not passing the collection plate really mean anyway?   
    Please!! I'm not coming up with answers. I'm inviting them from others. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Nana Fofana in What does not passing the collection plate really mean anyway?   
    Meditate on the content of your contributions. (No pun intended). It wouldn't be fair for me to spell it out. I'll give you a clue:
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in LEGAL DEVELOPMENTS | Appellate Court Rules to Keep Dennis Christensen in Pretrial Detention   
    Man!   I think you're talking to yourself here because I for one do not understand your logic. You have obviously suffered some kind of trauma along the line and you have my sympathy for that.
    But... this is not a language thing so don't resort to that as an excuse. This a logic thing. I would like to understand you. Please give a little more thought to what you are trying to express. You will have my attention if you take the time to make sense.  
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in LEGAL DEVELOPMENTS | Appellate Court Rules to Keep Dennis Christensen in Pretrial Detention   
    If you understand this, and I presume you do because they are your words, then ...get to it!
    Whatever cause YOU choose to live or die for.... again....get to it!
    Leave Dennis Christiansen to do the same. And as you observe how his conduct turns out, (you might choose to) imitate his faith!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Tutorial for Making Donations Electronically   
    Yeah, so much is done for them now, you have to do this just to wake them up!
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    Evacuated reacted to TrueTomHarley in Tutorial for Making Donations Electronically   
    I'm going to get me one of those things someday that all you have to do it tap the cashier on the forehead with it and the transaction is done.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Tutorial for Making Donations Electronically   
    I can't see anything particularly sinister about publicising the manner in which donations can be made to fund the worldwide work of Jehovah's Witnesses. It would actually be pretty naive to ommit to do this nowadays,  as electronic systems have changed the options available, and opened up a way of reducing the costs involved in processing money.
    Equally, to suggest ways that experienced ones can help those who are unfamiliar with electronic donation methods is completely practical and of great assistance to those who wish to use these channels, but feel a little daunted by the methods.
    To have this as a meeting item is beneficial, as it covers all of the various contribution methods currently available and alerts all present to these varied facilities. To make such information geographically specific by means of the website is also highly efficient.
    I have found contribution methods to nearly always be a topic of interest to new ones I bring to the meeting. Not only do they expect to contribute something to costs, but they are often puzzled as to why so little is said about money. This sometimes arouses suspicion on their part as to some sort of financial "whammy" that might be waiting in the wings should they pursue their interest. So having information on contribution methods clearly available and transparent is indeed prudent. Considering the content of the video, it would seem to fit the generally held view of such contributions as "unsolicited". 
     https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nonprofits-difference-between-solicited-unsolicited-rosana-ortega/
    It is true that religions in general have behaved in a scandalous manner with regard to "unrighteous riches",  unashamedly heaping great reproach on God's name, as pointed out so ably by George Carlin. Notwithstanding, people are still willing to contribute to what they feel is a good cause, and I am regularly given funds by members of the public as a contribution to our work which, even if they do not belong to our movement, they see as genuine and above board. Most people I witness to quickly see that with Jehovah's Witnesses, they get much value for actually no money at all. I am happy to contribute to an organisation that seeks to genuinely preach "the good news of the kingdom", and most of those who stick around are of the same mind.
    (I will let the cynics blow their hot gas about fancy suits, expensive watches, "misappropriated" Kingdom Hall funds, legal expenses etc. etc. themselves.)
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The Holy Spirit   
    ... that is like pulling the pin on a hand grenade, letting the handle fly off, and putting it between your knees while you count to five on your fingers.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Saying "Peace and Security!" before sudden destruction. (1Th 5:3) What does it mean?   
    More delusions I see. That explains your apparent JTBS.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017 - Jan 2018   
    I am going to make one post here because we are going off topic:
    I did!  BUT, the only comment I can find alongside this claim regarding Jehovah's Witnesses is:
    "The exact number of suicides is impossible to obtain for a variety of reasons.  Secular intuitions such as hospitals and police departments do not keep track of the religious organizations of the deceased"
    (This is a quote. I am not sure what "secular intuitions" are  )
    So if anyone could provide a single, verifiable, accurate, unbiased report on actual suicide rates, comparing Jehovah's Witnesses with other groups, please post as a separate thread to allow an informed debate.
    If this cannot be done, then (with respect)  I am afraid the claim will have to be consigned to the fake news bin.

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    Evacuated got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017 - Jan 2018   
    Surely you know Pro. 18:11 "The valuable things of the rich are his strong town, and they are like a protective wall in his imagination" ?
    I mean, I'm sure these guys had pursued higher education and obtained a well-paying job: 
    – On January 26, 2014, former Deutsche Bank executive, William Broeksmit, was found dead at his South Kensington home after police responded to reports of a man found hanging at a house. According to reports, Broeksmit had “close ties to co-chief executive Anshu Jain.” – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old senior manager at JP Morgan’s European headquarters, jumped 500ft from the top of the bank’s headquarters in central London on January 27, 2014, landing on an adjacent 9 story roof. – Mike Dueker, the chief economist at Russell Investments, fell down a 50 foot embankment in what police are describing as a suicide. He was reported missing on January 29, 2014 by friends, who said he had been “having problems at work.” – Richard Talley, 57, founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was also found dead on 4 Feb 2014 after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun. – 37-year-old JP Morgan executive director Ryan Henry Crane died last week, 3 Feb, 2014. – Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month (Jan 2014), although the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown. Maybe it was just a bad month for bankers, but to be perfectly blunt, you need to sharpen up on your game in this particular area!!   
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    Evacuated got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017 - Jan 2018   
    Surely you know Pro. 18:11 "The valuable things of the rich are his strong town, and they are like a protective wall in his imagination" ?
    I mean, I'm sure these guys had pursued higher education and obtained a well-paying job: 
    – On January 26, 2014, former Deutsche Bank executive, William Broeksmit, was found dead at his South Kensington home after police responded to reports of a man found hanging at a house. According to reports, Broeksmit had “close ties to co-chief executive Anshu Jain.” – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old senior manager at JP Morgan’s European headquarters, jumped 500ft from the top of the bank’s headquarters in central London on January 27, 2014, landing on an adjacent 9 story roof. – Mike Dueker, the chief economist at Russell Investments, fell down a 50 foot embankment in what police are describing as a suicide. He was reported missing on January 29, 2014 by friends, who said he had been “having problems at work.” – Richard Talley, 57, founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was also found dead on 4 Feb 2014 after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun. – 37-year-old JP Morgan executive director Ryan Henry Crane died last week, 3 Feb, 2014. – Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month (Jan 2014), although the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown. Maybe it was just a bad month for bankers, but to be perfectly blunt, you need to sharpen up on your game in this particular area!!   
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017 - Jan 2018   
    Good Detectives perhaps see differently than poorer Detectives.
    Occasionaly, the reverse is also true.
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    Evacuated reacted to USASister in 'Peace and Security'   
    Interesting points all!  I think it could be a cry of anguish as well as the false proclamation at the end. Many things in the bible have a smaller and a larger fulfillment.  They are crying for it.  It is heartbreaking really to look at. I opened the link to the dead hindu villagers. 
    This is a set of photos you may want to see here on the city of Raqqa. It is ONE of the cites in Syria (and there are many) that have been taken over by ISIS and bombed perpetually by the UN forces as well as the Democratic Syrian government forces. All I could think was, 'not a stone left upon another stone.'  
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_city_fit_for_no_one_raqqa_syria_islamic_state_group
    The article is called, "The City Fit For No One"
    The photos of the man who once prospered there. One photo in a suit and tie, taken as he was a prominent attorney. Now on the streets of Raqqa, looking like the art work of JOB.  His face caked in mud, clothed in rags, hair all over.  So very sad. 
    Truly, " the nations in great anguish, not knowing the way out! "  
    Blessings to all.  We are Jehovah's people.  
    Kristy
     
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    Evacuated reacted to Julie Bayley in 'Peace and Security'   
    Well spotted I saw this afterwards
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Queen Esther in Knock! Knock!   
    There is a bettr copy of this video on JW Broadcasting now (Sep 2017), and here on the forum:
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in The Holy Spirit   
    Maybe I'm not giving you enough detail for whatever you are trying to ascertain. Here's some context to hopefully clarify things.
    As I said, in school I had questions to ask my religious teacher and was fobbed off with those "chatechismal" answers due, as you suggest, to him likely being "unsuitable" to handle such questions. My questions were prompted by a desire to seek information and understanding, not doctrinal controversy. Arian/Athanasian disputes were unknown to me at that time. I never heard anything about such matters until many years later.  I drew no solid conclusions from these encounters, but they had the effect of rather dampening my interest in religion for some years. These matters, particularly RC church related, became very low on my list of priorities. 
    When my interest in religious matters rekindled in my 20s, it encompassed more than Christianity. It prompted the attention of active RC relatives who wished to return me to their fold. The topic of the Bible became current in my mind, as they stated it as an authority for their religious persuasions (despite not having a copy of it). Around the same time, a magazine article on Tyndale stimulated my interest and I saw the Bible as a historical enemy of established religion, particularly the RC church. This was due to the vehemence with which they suppressed it. This made it appealling to me. This led to me obtaining a copy of the 1611 King James Version (KJV) which I started to read.
    My earlier questions on the relationship between Christ and God resurfaced, not in an anti-trinitarian context, but along with questions about evolution and mankind's origin, is there only one way to God, and anything else of controversy, like the possibility of extra-terrestial life etc. 
    In the course of this, one friend provided the Challoner NT (which I still have). He drew attention to the 1Jo.5:7 text as a way of providing scriptural authority for the Catholic church as the original historical champion of the (seemingly) scriptural doctrine of the Trinity, the central tenet of Christianity. The argument was something like 'the Bible says God is triune, the RC church first defined, then defended, and promotes this, therefore the RC church is the true Christian religion.' This challenged me, until I found a marginal note in my KJV saying this text had "been inserted".
    After,  I went and checked the rendering of this verse in other versions, I found that it was inconsistently present, which seemed to confirm it's spurious nature. This delighted me at first because it undermined the authority of the RC church and it's dogma. But then I became outraged, because I saw the attack on Tyndale to be from the same source as what I perceived as  interference with Bible text to support something that I now found questionable as a result. I had absolutely no knowledge of Arian controversies at the time, although I had some awareness of the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition and other atrocities.
    So, the "non-Trinitarian matters" I was interested by, and that prompted the concern of relatives and some friends, were religious ideas from Hinduism, Buddhism, or anything else that was current at that time. The Trinity for me at that time was a facet of Christianity as I knew it then. I had no idea it was a historically disputed doctorine, or that there could be established, non-trinitarian Christian groups. Actually, perhaps that is what prompted the paranoid response of my religious teacher back in my early teens. That's something I have never considered until now. Anyway, with my acceptance of the RC Church as having any religious authority now defunct, my interest in the Bible as God's Word alive, my questions on Jesus' relationship to his Father remained.
    So are you saying it is possible to have Arian ideas(leanings) without having heard of Arius or his ideas? 
     
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    Evacuated reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The Holy Spirit   
    One thing all trinitarians have in common ... when it comes time to war ... they all meet on the battlefield and slaughter each other.
    This was particularly true during WWI when most of the people assembled on the French/German border were trinitarian Catholics, and in a year long battle, killed A MILLION OF EACH OTHER.
    that alone DISPROVES THE TRINITY,  ( If you have any common sense at all ) ... and shoots the "horse" it rode in on .... that God's Holy Spirit is supposedly PART of that triune "godhead", and also proves invalid, as ACTUAL Christianity, everything else that they dreamed up, circa 320 A.D. .
    And a million word analysis of a million more words will not change that.
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