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Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......
We could spend a great deal of time speculating on scenarios on how we will (if we are there) survive the GT as you term it and what role the FDS will play in leading us during that time. And yet you have highlighted the most important aspect already in saying "if we ARE loyal, and approved by Jehovah..."
In the light of Habbakuk's words at Hab.3:16-17, we need to be prepared for any eventuality during the "great tribulation" that will exceed all others in history. In the 1984 NWT, the rendering of verse 17, in connection with the "day of distress" (v16), contained the phrase "[the] flock may actually be severed from [the] pen.." What does that suggest as a possibility? And yet the WT 15/7/1977 stated in commenting on that verse "And never allow your vision to become dim as regards angelic backing of those holding to their dedication to Jehovah".
Habbakuk goes on to exemplify what our resolve should be in verse 18: "Yet, as for me, I will exult in Jehovah; I will be joyful in the God of my salvation" and indicates Jehovah's response in v19: "The Sovereign Lord Jehovah is my strength; He will make my feet like those of a deer and cause me to tread on high places."
I agree with your statement that we now need to maintain our loyalty, along with Jehovah's approval. And the FDS has had no meagre role in assisting and encouraging us to do this successfully so far. So there is no need to fear that this will cease, or that somehow, the loyalty and approval by Jehovah that we now experience (if genuine) should some how wear off if we find ourselves seemingly "severed from the pen". This regardless of where the anointed are located say, during the time of Gog's attack.
And neither is there any doubt that Jehovah can and will provide the means for His people to escape at that time, because "Jehovah knows how to rescue people of godly devotion out of trial" 2Pet.2:9.
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Evacuated got a reaction from bruceq in IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......
We could spend a great deal of time speculating on scenarios on how we will (if we are there) survive the GT as you term it and what role the FDS will play in leading us during that time. And yet you have highlighted the most important aspect already in saying "if we ARE loyal, and approved by Jehovah..."
In the light of Habbakuk's words at Hab.3:16-17, we need to be prepared for any eventuality during the "great tribulation" that will exceed all others in history. In the 1984 NWT, the rendering of verse 17, in connection with the "day of distress" (v16), contained the phrase "[the] flock may actually be severed from [the] pen.." What does that suggest as a possibility? And yet the WT 15/7/1977 stated in commenting on that verse "And never allow your vision to become dim as regards angelic backing of those holding to their dedication to Jehovah".
Habbakuk goes on to exemplify what our resolve should be in verse 18: "Yet, as for me, I will exult in Jehovah; I will be joyful in the God of my salvation" and indicates Jehovah's response in v19: "The Sovereign Lord Jehovah is my strength; He will make my feet like those of a deer and cause me to tread on high places."
I agree with your statement that we now need to maintain our loyalty, along with Jehovah's approval. And the FDS has had no meagre role in assisting and encouraging us to do this successfully so far. So there is no need to fear that this will cease, or that somehow, the loyalty and approval by Jehovah that we now experience (if genuine) should some how wear off if we find ourselves seemingly "severed from the pen". This regardless of where the anointed are located say, during the time of Gog's attack.
And neither is there any doubt that Jehovah can and will provide the means for His people to escape at that time, because "Jehovah knows how to rescue people of godly devotion out of trial" 2Pet.2:9.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch
Do you think a little more detail in writing would be prudent in case you are not conscious????
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Evacuated reacted to Anna in Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch
Actually I did, hence the dots......I only put what I thought was relevant to the discussion, the other bit was...."or with my health care surrogate in case of my incapacity"
By the way you never got back with me on that discussion HERE
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Evacuated reacted to Evacuated in Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch
Do you think a little more detail in writing would be prudent in case you are not conscious????
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Evacuated got a reaction from derek1956 in Who Are Jehovah’s Witnesses?
These are interesting. Where did they come from?
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Evacuated got a reaction from derek1956 in Who Are Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Excellent! I couldn't find them on the file name alone and was going to have a trawl now as I am just back from the meeting. Thanks for the reference.
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Evacuated got a reaction from bruceq in Representatives of the Guinness Book of Records is ready to commit a new world record for the number of letters written
Yeah...Let's go Russian Ministry of Justice on 'em all!!!
(No offence to fair-minded people within the Russian Federation intended)
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Evacuated got a reaction from SuzA in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
Actually the focus on this sister was really your contribution (admittedly early on) to a discussion generated by an original post about a number of people claiming "total control" whilst being members of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. So it isn't really going off topic, yet.
I appreciate your concern regarding what you see as a dangerous line of reasoning however, but remember this is a public forum. We are all at liberty to stay clear of discussions that we feel stray across our personal boundaries for consideration.
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Evacuated reacted to Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
There.You've hit the nail on the head.
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Evacuated reacted to The Librarian in Representatives of the Guinness Book of Records is ready to commit a new world record for the number of letters written
Maybe we should ban Instagram, FB and Twitter as well?
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Evacuated got a reaction from Ann O'Maly in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
Actually the focus on this sister was really your contribution (admittedly early on) to a discussion generated by an original post about a number of people claiming "total control" whilst being members of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. So it isn't really going off topic, yet.
I appreciate your concern regarding what you see as a dangerous line of reasoning however, but remember this is a public forum. We are all at liberty to stay clear of discussions that we feel stray across our personal boundaries for consideration.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
Actually the focus on this sister was really your contribution (admittedly early on) to a discussion generated by an original post about a number of people claiming "total control" whilst being members of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. So it isn't really going off topic, yet.
I appreciate your concern regarding what you see as a dangerous line of reasoning however, but remember this is a public forum. We are all at liberty to stay clear of discussions that we feel stray across our personal boundaries for consideration.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in 7/17 Wt. “Seeking Riches That Are True”
Hardly, otherwise there would be no activity in the preaching work and related matters.
Sensational though these snippets of information may appear to be, as presented here, they only seem to serve to reinforce evidence that the Society is following Jesus' direction recorded at Luke 16:9.
It seems to me that, in this matter the principle of Rom 14:14 applies, and that Paul's words at Romans 14:4 are appropriate (as they are for us all):
"Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand".
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Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......
I feel like I rather rudely steered this conversation to one that kept veering back to a problem I had with the words "devotion to imperfect men" which was tied to "devotion to the Governing Body." That wasn't the real gist of the original thread, so I'm thinking all that part of the discussion could be moved to a new thread. If that happens, perhaps the entire February 2017 study article that was referenced could be discussed. But I won't be adding more to that particular subject here.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......
Just a P.S. really.
Ambiguity and misunderstanding can arise when using the word "devote". It has a range of meanings today that may obscure understanding the word as it is used in the NWT to translate original language expressions in mostly the Hebrew and to a lesser extent the Greek Scriptures.
Exodus 20:5 is relevant in this context; also 1Tim 4:8. As is the Miriam Webster definition:
Definition of devotion
1a : religious fervor : piety
1b : an act of prayer or private worship —usually used in plural during his morning devotions c : a religious exercise or practice other than the regular corporate (see corporate 2) worship of a congregation
2a : the act of dedicating something to a cause, enterprise, or activity : the act of devoting; the devotion of a great deal of time and energy
2b : the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal "her devotion to the cause"; filial devotion
3 (obsolete) : the object of one's devotion
Probably another thread required to take this further.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Representatives of the Guinness Book of Records is ready to commit a new world record for the number of letters written
Wise observation. I mean, are the Russian authorities going to assist in the verification of this?
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Evacuated got a reaction from bruceq in IS THERE PREPARING THE THIRD WORLD WAR?......
Just a P.S. really.
Ambiguity and misunderstanding can arise when using the word "devote". It has a range of meanings today that may obscure understanding the word as it is used in the NWT to translate original language expressions in mostly the Hebrew and to a lesser extent the Greek Scriptures.
Exodus 20:5 is relevant in this context; also 1Tim 4:8. As is the Miriam Webster definition:
Definition of devotion
1a : religious fervor : piety
1b : an act of prayer or private worship —usually used in plural during his morning devotions c : a religious exercise or practice other than the regular corporate (see corporate 2) worship of a congregation
2a : the act of dedicating something to a cause, enterprise, or activity : the act of devoting; the devotion of a great deal of time and energy
2b : the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal "her devotion to the cause"; filial devotion
3 (obsolete) : the object of one's devotion
Probably another thread required to take this further.
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Evacuated reacted to Queen Esther in Representatives of the Guinness Book of Records is ready to commit a new world record for the number of letters written
PS.
I read by 2 Brothers, it shall be FAKE NEWS with our JW campaign in the Guinness book ?? I don't know it exactly.... But we must pay attention !
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Evacuated reacted to Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
To my knowledge, no one can be controlled unless they want to be, or unless they are subject to extreme psychological duress.
These are all excuses. Assigning blame on something or someone else instead of accepting we went the direction we didn’t really want to go, or changed our mind about the direction later. Most of these accusations are only a cover up for immorality and other behaviours unacceptable in the Christian congregation. The congregation has to be kept morally and doctrinally clean. Recommendation against higher education is just that, recommendation. Humans are very, very good at blaming and making excuses, and have been since the creation of Adam.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to ‘total control’
Trying to get a picture of the Ministry of Justice witnesses and testimony but it is difficult to get any thing further than:
Natalia Koretskaya. JW for 14 years. Disfellowshipped in 2009 for immorality??
Pavel Zverev. JW at young age. Seems to have spent 2 years as a cook in Bethel after having been "dissuaded" from seeking further education at age 16yrs?
Nina Petrova. In organisation for 28 years! and pressured not to have a family until too late?
A fourth witness is not detailed.
There seems to be additional issues for some with depression and alcoholism after "quitting" the organisation.
They all seem of the view that they were subject to "total control" whilst with Jehovah's Witnesses. (Perhaps not completely "total" as they seem to be no longer associated.)
If the judge is expressing lack of clarity on the objective of the MOJ presentation with all the information at their disposal, what hope do we have when subjected to these obscured accounts?
I understand @JamesThomasRook 's frustration on reporting from both sides of the matter expressed elsewhere.
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Evacuated reacted to Ann O'Maly in Plastic Mail Boxes Full of Thousands of JW Letters to Russia at a US Post Office
Sa'fyre response leaves 'a good feeling about mankind'
Volunteers needed to help sort million letters, packages for young burn victim
By Paul Nelson
Updated 8:55 pm, Wednesday, January 13, 2016
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in 7/17 Wt. “Seeking Riches That Are True”
Has something been mispelt here? I've liked on the basis of what I think you mean.
Anyway, I would be concerned if the Society did not invest prudently a proportion of its assets. I would see otherwise as a negligent mismanagement of donated resources.