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Evacuated got a reaction from JaniceM in Who were those in “prison” who Jesus preached to during the three days of his death?
I suspect here we may have a different view point as we understand these to be angelic sons of god, not human sons of god. This would appear to harmonise with the expression “spirits in prison,” at 1 Peter 3:19, and additionally referred to as "angels" at Jude 6. Of course there would be no disobedient humans from the time of Noah kept alive in a "prison" after their destruction down to the first century. As Ecc.9:5 shows, dead humans are as unconscious as living ones are conscious.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Carmen Erwin in September video sample presentations
Its OK now I have located them.
They appear on the Show Media section accessed from the current meeting page in either IOS or Android versions of the JW Library app.
There is an option to download the media data relating to the current meeting by touching the Show Media icon on the top right of the meeting page. Download in the usual manner and they can be accessed either from the Show Media page for the current meeting or from the Downloaded section in Publications where they stay.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Carmen Erwin in WE GET 4 NEW SONGS... 151, 152, 153, 154 !
https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODMusicVideos/pub-jwbnw_201609_151_VIDEO
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Evacuated got a reaction from Alan Murdock in WE GET 4 NEW SONGS... 151, 152, 153, 154 !
https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODMusicVideos/pub-jwbnw_201609_151_VIDEO
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Evacuated got a reaction from JAMMY in September video sample presentations
You can learn much about God's Word the Bible from the official website https://www.jw.org/en
You can select the language you are most comfortable with from the top right hand drop down box that appears on the web pages.
Useful sections are : https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
Also https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/
If you wish to request a Bible Study, use the on-line form here: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/
That will enable Jehovah's Witnesses to respond to your request in a manner appropriate to local conditions.
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Evacuated reacted to JaniceM in What is the difference between everlasting life and immortality?
I'm not sure I can explain correctly but I think it means that although humans and angels are dependent upon God for life, those given immortality are given their own incorruptible, indestructible self-sustaining bodies. However, they are not almighty in power and can be destroyed by their Creator. A few excerpts are below:
Questions from Readers:
*** w84 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Still, the Bible does not provide much detail about the quality of life termed immortality. We do know that mortal humans—even perfect humans having the prospect of endless life on earth—must eat and drink to maintain life, or they die and their bodies experience corruption. (Genesis 2:9, 15, 16) No doubt immortality involves a quality of life that does not need to be sustained like that. Thus it could be said that all who become immortal are not subject to death or that ‘death is master over them no more.’ That would harmonize, too, with their receiving incorruptibility, indicating that their spirit body or organism is inherently beyond decay, ruin or corruption. (Compare 2 Corinthians 5:1; Revelation 20:6.) In these ways a difference might be seen between immortality and everlasting human life.
*** it-1 pp. 1197-1198 Incorruption ***
Raised to Immortality and Incorruption. Christ Jesus entered into immortality upon his resurrection from the dead, thereafter possessing “an indestructible life.” (1Ti 6:15, 16; Heb 7:15-17) As the “exact representation of [the] very being” of his Father, who is the incorruptible God (Heb 1:3; 1Ti 1:17), the resurrected Jesus also enjoys incorruptibility.
United with Jesus in the likeness of his resurrection, his joint heirs also are resurrected not merely to everlasting life as spirit creatures but to immortality and incorruption. Having lived, served faithfully, and died in corruptible human bodies, they now receive incorruptible spirit bodies, as Paul clearly states at 1 Corinthians 15:42-54. Immortality therefore evidently refers to the quality of the life they enjoy, its endlessness and indestructibility, whereas incorruption apparently relates to the organism or body that God gives them, one that is inherently beyond decay, ruin, or destruction. It therefore appears that God grants them the power to be self-sustaining, not dependent upon outside sources of energy as are his other creatures, fleshly and spirit. This is a stirring evidence of God’s confidence in them. Such independent and indestructible existence, however, does not remove them from God’s control; and they, like their Head Christ Jesus, continue subject to their Father’s will and directions.—1Co 15:23-28; see IMMORTALITY; SOUL.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JaniceM in What is the difference between everlasting life and immortality?
"Immortal" and "everlasting" are two qualities associated with life in the Scriptures. My understanding of these terms is as follows:
Immortality (and it's closely associated terms, incorruptible and indestructible) has to do with the quality of life enjoyed by Jehovah himself and certain others of His creation, namely Jesus and his 144000 associate king-priests. Their life also has the quality of being everlasting. The life enjoyed by other spirit creatures whilst potentially everlasting, is not immortal (otherwise how could Satan and his spirit supporters be destroyed?)
The word in scripture for immortality (athanasia) is said to mean deathlessness as a quality of life. Because it goes hand in hand with incorruption, (1 Cor.15:53), the description at Heb.7:16 of Jesus having indissoluble life ("indestructible" NWT, rather than the weak "endless" in KJV) is apt. This refers to the quality or nature of life he enjoys and also is enjoyed by the 144000 who are resurrected to rule with him in the heavens. This why those who do go to heaven to rule with Christ have to die as far as their human organism is involved. Then, their resurrection to the heavens includes the gift of immortality. 1 Cor 15:35-58 contains plenty of information on this subject.
However, by it's very nature, human life can never be immortal. As long as humans are alive on earth, which will be forever (Ps.37:29), they will need to breath the right mix of gases, eat the right balance of nutrients, sleep when tired, eliminate waste products, repair worn or damaged tissue, and do whatever else is required to maintain physically the organism with which Jehovah endowed his human creation. And then, their obedience to the requirements of the creator, for whose purpose they were created and given that living organism, will ensure that that grant of life will be, just as the Bible says, everlasting but never immortal. And the right to that everlasting life (never enjoyed by the sinner Adam) will be enjoyed by the obedient, perfect human family once the thousand years of Christ's rule has ended. Rev.20:5.
So immortal or indestructible life is a quality of life enjoyed by certain spirit beings in the sprit realm, namely Jehovah, Jesus, and the 144,000 king priests. Their life, by nature of its immortality, is also everlasting.
The life enjoyed by faithful, sin-cleansed, servants of Jehovah on the earth within the physical realm, will also be everlasting (without end), but always subject to maintenance in harmony with the physical, life-sustaining processes provided by the Creator. This life will therefore never have the quality of immortality.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JaniceM in What is the difference between everlasting life and immortality?
Well..........it does present an interesting conundrum for the thinking person I'll agree. We know there are things God cannot do. He cannot lie, cannot die, cannot fail to accomplish his purpose for example.
It is abundantly clear that indestructible life exists and that it is not limited to Jehovah (Heb.7:16). But as for us deciding what Jehovah can or cannot do based on our relatively puny experience and intellectual capacity, that is a step too far for me.
And as for putting anyone or anything "on a par with the Supreme Deity" ? That seems to be decidedly dodgy ground (Is.40:25) and likely ground upon which even (most) angels would fear to tread.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in What is the difference between everlasting life and immortality?
Well..........it does present an interesting conundrum for the thinking person I'll agree. We know there are things God cannot do. He cannot lie, cannot die, cannot fail to accomplish his purpose for example.
It is abundantly clear that indestructible life exists and that it is not limited to Jehovah (Heb.7:16). But as for us deciding what Jehovah can or cannot do based on our relatively puny experience and intellectual capacity, that is a step too far for me.
And as for putting anyone or anything "on a par with the Supreme Deity" ? That seems to be decidedly dodgy ground (Is.40:25) and likely ground upon which even (most) angels would fear to tread.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in What is the difference between everlasting life and immortality?
"Immortal" and "everlasting" are two qualities associated with life in the Scriptures. My understanding of these terms is as follows:
Immortality (and it's closely associated terms, incorruptible and indestructible) has to do with the quality of life enjoyed by Jehovah himself and certain others of His creation, namely Jesus and his 144000 associate king-priests. Their life also has the quality of being everlasting. The life enjoyed by other spirit creatures whilst potentially everlasting, is not immortal (otherwise how could Satan and his spirit supporters be destroyed?)
The word in scripture for immortality (athanasia) is said to mean deathlessness as a quality of life. Because it goes hand in hand with incorruption, (1 Cor.15:53), the description at Heb.7:16 of Jesus having indissoluble life ("indestructible" NWT, rather than the weak "endless" in KJV) is apt. This refers to the quality or nature of life he enjoys and also is enjoyed by the 144000 who are resurrected to rule with him in the heavens. This why those who do go to heaven to rule with Christ have to die as far as their human organism is involved. Then, their resurrection to the heavens includes the gift of immortality. 1 Cor 15:35-58 contains plenty of information on this subject.
However, by it's very nature, human life can never be immortal. As long as humans are alive on earth, which will be forever (Ps.37:29), they will need to breath the right mix of gases, eat the right balance of nutrients, sleep when tired, eliminate waste products, repair worn or damaged tissue, and do whatever else is required to maintain physically the organism with which Jehovah endowed his human creation. And then, their obedience to the requirements of the creator, for whose purpose they were created and given that living organism, will ensure that that grant of life will be, just as the Bible says, everlasting but never immortal. And the right to that everlasting life (never enjoyed by the sinner Adam) will be enjoyed by the obedient, perfect human family once the thousand years of Christ's rule has ended. Rev.20:5.
So immortal or indestructible life is a quality of life enjoyed by certain spirit beings in the sprit realm, namely Jehovah, Jesus, and the 144,000 king priests. Their life, by nature of its immortality, is also everlasting.
The life enjoyed by faithful, sin-cleansed, servants of Jehovah on the earth within the physical realm, will also be everlasting (without end), but always subject to maintenance in harmony with the physical, life-sustaining processes provided by the Creator. This life will therefore never have the quality of immortality.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in September video sample presentations
You can learn much about God's Word the Bible from the official website https://www.jw.org/en
You can select the language you are most comfortable with from the top right hand drop down box that appears on the web pages.
Useful sections are : https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/
Also https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/
If you wish to request a Bible Study, use the on-line form here: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/free-bible-study/
That will enable Jehovah's Witnesses to respond to your request in a manner appropriate to local conditions.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in The Crown of Thorns
Can't see a crown of thorns on the stake picture in WT 1 Feb 1991 p 9 which continues the serialisation of the Greatest Man That Ever Lived .... so must have been dropped earlier.
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Evacuated got a reaction from djsqueeze in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
They may well enable you to surmise an estimation of my opinion,.... but that's all.
Perhaps... if you could explain your position on the ship?
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Evacuated got a reaction from djsqueeze in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
What you quote as marked with inverted commas is correct and I stand by those scriptural expressions. I included them as I believe they are relevant to the question raised. Your assessment of my opinion however, is your own. I have not actually expressed a personal opinion on the issue at this point, as I feel others may make a relevant contribution to the discusson.
Let me use an illustration to hopefully clarify where I stand on this matter at the moment.
I feel like a passenger on a ship.
The ship is rescuing people in a warzone, and has to make a number of stops to pick up more survivors before taking all on board to safety. I have been on board for a while, and it has at times been a scary passage, what with adverse weather conditions at times, to say nothing of hidden mine-fields, direct attacks from enemy forces, or the danger of becoming embroiled in cross-fire from the constant skirmishes between rival factions.
However, despite a lack of previous experience of such things, the crew have charts, navigational equipment, and a growing pool of practical wisdom at their disposal. They also have radio contact with their command and are able to get some objective guidance not available otherwise. With all this, the crew has corrected any errors of judgement, adjusted their course, and, despite difficulty, has managed to get the ship and it's passengers safely through many hazardous situations so far. I have come to trust their ability to navigate safely through the uncertain conditions, complete their assignment to pick up survivors, and get the full complement of passengers safely out of the warzone.
Now I am faced with a new dilemna. We have stopped to pick up more survivors, but some who want to stay on shore, using the crews own navigational charts and log, are disputing with the decisions made, crticising the crew that have got us so far, and saying they have it all wrong and that we should not trust them to get us to safety. Some are saying that there is no war and that the crew have some ulterior, harmful motive in picking up passengers. A group of passengers appear to be supporting them in these assertions, the bottom line of which is that we should all... ABANDON SHIP!
To be continued.....
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Evacuated got a reaction from djsqueeze in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
With respect @HollyW, this is actually your opinion of what I said in earlier postings on this question. I'll leave interested parties to read those earlier postings themselves if they wish, and draw their own conclusions on what my opinion may or may not be.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Alexa in The Truth and the Introvert
There's a balance to be found between\;
Proverbs 18:1: "Whoever isolates himself pursues his own selfish desires; He rejects all practical wisdom."
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Galatians 5:26: "Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another."
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Evacuated got a reaction from Teresa Morales in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
With respect, judge for yourself and not for me on that one.
Discussions and expectations about dates have presumably been going on one way or another ever since Jesus said he would return. (Matt. 24:3, Acts 1:7). In fact, disputes over Christ's presence were foretold as a feature of the "last days" 2 Pet. 3:3-4. And this is not limited to religious entities either: Dan. 7:23-25. So there is nothing new or unexpected here.
Despite it all, Jehovah's Witnesses continue to develop, grow, prosper, and seem to be successful in whatever they turn their hands to, even if it means surviving and outliving vicious attempts to slander and persecute them and prevent their activity. And this in the face of changes, refinements, adjustments, (and whatever else you want to call it), to their doctrine, organisational structure, and procedure. So there is no reason to expect this to change in the future.
1Tim 2:1-6 is a big deal for me however. The supplications and prayers etc. requested by the apostle Paul appear to be having the desired effect.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
If by this you are implying that the present system will end later rather than sooner, then surely Paul's words to the Hebrews at 11:13 would continue to apply to many currently alive who do not live to see God's intervention in human affairs:
"In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land."
In fact, many who truly serve Jehovah will continue to have an experience similarly to Abraham (Gen.25:8) : "Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, old and satisfied, and was gathered to his people."
These scriptures hold good regardless of when the Gentile Times end and would do so even if we had never heard the expression in our lives.
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Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in What if the Gentile times did not end in 1914?
If by this you are implying that the present system will end later rather than sooner, then surely Paul's words to the Hebrews at 11:13 would continue to apply to many currently alive who do not live to see God's intervention in human affairs:
"In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land."
In fact, many who truly serve Jehovah will continue to have an experience similarly to Abraham (Gen.25:8) : "Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, old and satisfied, and was gathered to his people."
These scriptures hold good regardless of when the Gentile Times end and would do so even if we had never heard the expression in our lives.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Alexa in Marques Houston
One of many thousands of course but regardless of that, Luke 15:10 applies.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Alexa in Marques Houston
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rnb-star-marques-houston-reveals-he-has-become-jehovahs-witness-1571588
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Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in ACTS OF GOD
Melinda Mills gave excellent choices. For the same reasons she gave I would consider 134 "See Yourself When All Is New" and 121 "Encourage One Another."
Some ideas that can be worked into the outline might include Pliny's report on Vesuvius and a reminder that this happened during the very time that people were first reading Hebrews 10:24,25 about meeting together to encourage one another (which is the basis for song 121). Also up until the time of Christ's message so many people thought that all natural disasters were "acts of God." Imagine how many people would have thought that the explosion/volcano/earthquake of Vesuvius was Armageddon. It obliterated the summer homes of the elite from Rome. The sky darkened over much of Italy including Rome. Surely Rome would be next because this would have been considered a judgment by God. Jerusalem had just been destroyed in the same decade, SURELY this act of God was not the judgment on Rome! Yet Jesus had said that you will hear of earthquakes and wars, but NOT to get overly excited about the idea that it meant the end.
(Matthew 24:6-8) . . .for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
(Matthew 24:29) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Imagine how this event would have become fodder for false prophets, who might teach that this was the end, that this was the sky darkening and the moon not giving its light. Imagine how it might have been used as a way to mislead the chosen ones to stay in hiding or fear, rather than preach the good news. Yet Jesus said the end is NOT yet, these things were just a beginning.
It's a way to help an audience imagine the words of the Scriptures in a more personal way when we also can imagine what was going through the minds of the people in the first century. Besides Vesuvius, the way that the first century audience of Jesus thought about these things as judgments is interesting. Jesus gave the example of Pilate's political terrorism, and the Tower at Siloam, and said that such things were not directly brought about by sin or judgements on the specific people killed, but were merely 'time and unforeseen occurrence,' yet we can still use them to take account of our lives knowing that the end can come for any of us at any time.
(Luke 13:1-5) 13 At that time some who were present reported to him about the Gal·i·leʹans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 In reply he said to them: “Do you think that those Gal·i·leʹans were worse sinners than all other Gal·i·leʹans because they have suffered these things? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise be destroyed. 4 Or those 18 on whom the tower in Si·loʹam fell, killing them—do you think that they had greater guilt than all other men who live in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all be destroyed, as they were.”
(Luke 12:18-21) 18 Then he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my storehouses and build bigger ones, and there I will gather all my grain and all my goods, 19 and I will say to myself: “You have many good things stored up for many years; take it easy, eat, drink, enjoy yourself.”’ 20 But God said to him, ‘Unreasonable one, this night they are demanding your life from you. Who, then, is to have the things you stored up?’ 21 So it goes with the man who stores up treasure for himself but is not rich toward God.”
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Evacuated reacted to Melinda Mills in Is the WTS the organization Jehovah is using?
Answer for Queen Esther
Jesus as a man on earth was equal to Adam in all respects.
(1 Timothy 2:5, 6) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all. . .
(Ever studied corresponding angles in Geometry? )
See comment below from Watchtower.
*** w14 9/15 p. 26 par. 12 The Last Enemy, Death, Brought to Nothing ***
12 As a perfect man, Jesus had prospects similar to those of Adam before he sinned. Jehovah’s purpose was to fill the earth with Adam’s perfect offspring. Hence, with deep love for his Father and for Adam’s descendants, Jesus gave up his human life in sacrifice. Yes, Jesus gave up a perfect human life that corresponded to what Adam had lost. Thereafter, Jehovah restored his Son to life as a spirit. (1 Pet. 3:18) Jehovah could justly accept the sacrifice of that one perfect man, Jesus, as a ransom, or purchase price, to buy back Adam’s family and give them the life prospects that Adam had forfeited. In a sense, Jesus took the place of Adam. Paul explains: “So it is written: ‘The first man Adam became a living person.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”—1 Cor. 15:45.
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Evacuated got a reaction from Queen Esther in WOW.... what a unique beautiful birdy of Jehovah's so wonderful creations ❤ Its looking a little like an orchid ! I will inform me about the name, or anyone is knowing ?
Taiwan magpie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_blue_magpie
One of their characteristics: "When flying in a group, the birds tailgate each other. Sometimes they may be seen strung out as if in line".
Could this this be a photo of this really happening?? Amazing if it is!!!
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Evacuated reacted to Queen Esther in WOW.... what a unique beautiful birdy of Jehovah's so wonderful creations ❤ Its looking a little like an orchid ! I will inform me about the name, or anyone is knowing ?
WOW.... what a unique beautiful birdy of Jehovah's so wonderful creations ❤ Its looking a little like an orchid !
I will inform me about the name, or anyone is knowing?