Jack Ryan

Is there a secret Watchtower Archive out there that exists similar to the Vatican Archive?

What are the missing bible verses in the Jehovah Witness Bible?

How many of you on here are also members of the exjw reddit? Just curious.

Here is a jwsurvey about beards.

I would just like to express thanks to all of you and the mgmt for making this the #1 jw forum on the internet.

I feel the most freedom of expression on here and a good mix of usually respectful and knowledgeable people.

It helps me keep up to date with what is going on since Facebook has pretty much muzzled and censored many of the JW's and JW groups that used to exist.

I like the fact that Facebook can't censor what I post here.

Merci!

What are your thoughts? Have you ever actually used it?

Do you know of any happy couples resulting from it?

What is the best way for single Jehovah's WItnesses to actually find each other besides conventions?

Recordings of congregation meetings, which the letter said would only be online for one week each. Unless I missed it, none of these have been seen as of yet. Has anyone seen or heard of this?

@Benji79 Sad but true.   If you can post a better more long lasting link please feel free to help out.

Back in 1996 McDonalds wanted to diversify their customer base. Their plan? Design a burger that appeals to adult tastes.

The Arch Deluxe consisted of beef topped with bacon, lettuce, tomato, cheese, onions, ketchup, and a secret mustard/mayo sauce on a split top sesame seed potato bun.

 

For example, the religious organization has an interest in permanently maintaining data regarding an individual’s status as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Deleting such information would unduly infringe on the organization’s religious beliefs and practices.

The branch may refuse a request saying they need the data to ensure 'they keep the congregation clean'

Be interesting to see if they use this for everyone or just a few.

You can bet on the org agreeing to a lot of individuals' requests to delete data - due to it being in the org's  "legitimate interests" to do so.

 

Request for personal data erasure under gdpr refused on clause which says religious organisations can keep records. The following is in their privacy policy:

Upon receipt of your written request, after you provide sufficient evidence of your identity and enough information to permit us to identify your personal data, the applicable data controller will fairly consider granting the request by balancing the interests of the individual in gaining access to data or correcting or deleting data against the legitimate interests of the organization, including whether granting the request would endanger the organization’s right to religious freedom and practice. We will also notify any third-party recipients of the necessary changes.

Please note that your data may not be erased if processing is required by law or if the data may be kept on other legal bases. For example, the religious organization has an interest in permanently maintaining data regarding an individual’s status as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Deleting such information would unduly infringe on the organization’s religious beliefs and practices. Requests to delete personal data are subject to any applicable legal reporting or document retention requirements imposed on us. You may also lodge a complaint with your local data protection authority about the processing of the data you have provided through this website.

Report shows how Keego Harbor woman killed herself and her entire family

As the demons consumed her, Lauren Stuart plotted. 

Weeks before she did the unthinkable, the distraught Keego Harbor woman researched suicide methods on YouTube and watched videos on how to use a Glock handgun.

She made a video of herself saying that she was “broken” and that she didn’t want to burden her family. She left a suicide note on the dinner table, tidied up the house, texted a relative and her husband's boss,  and turned over the family photos on a secretary desk.

Then, she ended it all.

“I took my husband and kids with me so they don’t have to feel my selfish act. They will sleep until Christ resurrects them,” Stuart texted a cousin on Feb. 15 at 5:07 p.m. “I truly hope you do better where I have failed.” 

Months after a murder suicide stunned the sleepy town of Keego Harbor, the Free Press has obtained investigative documents that shed light on what drove an aspiring model to kill her two grown children, her husband, herself and the family dog. 

According to police records and interviews with family, friends and neighbors, Stuart  battled many problems, including depression, ostracism from the Jehovah Witness church, and mental scars stemming from alleged sexual abuse as a child.

These factors combined, police believe, led Stuart to cave to despair on a February weekday when she fatally shot her son, daughter and husband — using pillows to suppress the sound — before shooting herself between the eyes.

According to police records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, here is a timeline detailing what happened, on both the day of the killings and the weeks leading up to them: 

• Feb. 6 at 11 p.m.: Lauren recorded a 2-minute video of herself explaining that her pending suicide had nothing to do with her family, but that she had “many issues,” that she “canÂ’t do it anymore” and didnÂ’t want to be a burden to her family.
• Feb. 7 at around 1 p.m.: She recorded another short video talking about her “path of destruction” and childhood sexual abuse by a relative that she said drove her to want to commit suicide. 
• Feb. 15 at 9:24 a.m.: Lauren sent her husbandÂ’s boss a text: “Mark, this is Lauren. Dan had a accident this morning and has died. I canÂ’t talk now. Someone will inform you later on details at hospital.” The boss texted back asking for more information, but she never responded. 
• Feb. 15 at 5:07 p.m.: Lauren texted her cousin telling her she “became evil” and that she “took my husband and kids so they donÂ’t have to feel my selfish act.” That was the last communication Lauren ever made. Her cousin texted her back stating: “Lauren, you are scaring me? What are u saying????? Â… DonÂ’t do it Lauren.”
• Feb. 15 between 9 and 10 p.m.:  A neighbor heard gunshots. She thought someone was slamming doors. It was Lauren killing the dog, which was found in a bathtub the next morning by police, along with the four bodies.

The cousin, who tried texting Lauren again at 1 a.m., never heard back. She went over to the house the following morning with a friend. When no one came to the door, she called police to conduct a welfare check.

‘This was premeditated’ 

Police still don’t know exactly what time the family members were shot, but they believe the daughter was killed first and that the mother lured her 27-year-old son over to the house, citing a text message she wrote her son on Valentine’s Day, asking him if he “was still coming over to the house” at noon on Feb. 15. He had already been there on Valentine’s Day.

“This was premeditated and carefully planned out by Lauren,” wrote police, who believe Lauren Stuart had her son over on Valentine’s Day to conduct a  “dry run” of her murder-suicide.

When police arrived at the house the morning of Feb. 16, the  kitchen was organized. The refrigerator was stocked. Handwritten labels were on various items and a calendar hung on the refrigerator. 

First, they found the dog. An officer, fearing there was an active shooter, yelled to a partner, “get your gun out? There’s a dead dog in the tub.”

Additional units were called. The officers then climbed a spiral staircase to the second floor and found the son. Steven Stuart, a skilled computer expert like his dad, facedown on the floor of a spare bedroom. Police say they believe he was sitting in a chair when he was shot in the head twice and fell to the floor. 

In another bedroom, they found the daughter, Bethany, 24, a graphic designer and passionate artist who was shot in the head while she slept in a bed. A pillow was placed over her head beforehand, presumably to suppress the sound. Police found visible gunshots through the pillow case. 

Stewart’s husband, Dan, a software designer at the University of Michigan Medical School, was found on the basement floor in front of a couch with a gunshot wound to the head. His right hand was in the front pocket of his jeans and the white pocket liner was slightly pulled from the left pocket, suggesting he was standing when he was shot and tried to react, thus pulling the pocket liner.

Lauren was found at the base of the stairs in a corner with a pistol next to her. She had shot herself between the eyes, a method she had researched on the Internet.

On the dinner table there were two notes. One was addressed to the Medical Examiner, the other a suicide note. 

“I allowed evil into my heart when I chose not to accept God’s free love and it made me sick inside,” she wrote. “I killed my family because I know my death would stumble them. At least now they will not suffer and will be resurrected into love forever in peace.”

Immersed in religion

Police interviewed multiple family members, friends and neighbors who described the Stuarts as a quiet and sometimes “odd” couple who were estranged from their family because of their leaving the Jehovah’s Witness church about 10 years ago.

Multiple family members said that Lauren, who had 11 siblings, long suffered from depression that got worse after she had her children. In recent months, they said she became more religiously preoccupied and went off on rants.

Lauren’s father told police that he had not spoken to his daughter in years and that her mother died when she was 13. He said that he never cared for her husband and that he believes “Dan pulled Lauren away from the family.” 

One of Lauren’s sisters told police that she had not spoken to Lauren in six years and that she, too, believes “Dan pulled Lauren away from the family.”  She told police that Lauren and her husband both suffered from mental illness and that they “fed off of each other.” She said her sister was deemed “Apostasy” for speaking out against the JWs and leaving the organization. 

“It is clear that Lauren showed symptoms of severe depression and displayed abnormal behavior leading up to the incident,” police wrote in their investigative notes. “It would appear that Lauren immersed herself in her own world of her version of religion and increased depression.”

She got no help. No professional counseling. No prescription drugs were found in her system. And although there was no alcohol found in her system, according in to the investigation report, there were small traces of marijuana found in her system, and also in that of her husband and son. 

That, coupled with the loneliness, the loss of family and friends over religion and childhood scars, “manifested, magnified and drove her” to do what she did, police concluded.

“Lauren’s’ complete immersion into religion appeared to have only further alienated her and her family from friends and other family which may have compounded her already fragile state of mind,” police wrote, noting one of Lauren’s sisters expressed little remorse about the tragedy.

In a statement that perhaps best exemplifies how estranged from her family Lauren was, police wrote:

“(The sister) showed a very solemn and somber demeanor when she spoke and stated that she is not sad for Lauren and her family and that when she heard the news of her sister’s actions, she was not surprised in the slightest.”

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/05/18/keego-harbor-murder-suicide-lauren-stuart/620709002/

 

- I personally think the cold hearted father and sister should be feeling quite guilty right about now. Thier PIOUS disfellowshipping landed them rotten fruitage. Completely ANTI-LOVE. ANTI WHAT GOD WANTS.

Jehovah is a foremost a GOD OF LOVE.

Her sister sounds almost reptilian-like cold hearted from this story.

All Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere need to reflect on thier Pharisaic attitudes and do as Jesus commands:

STOP JUDGING THAT YOU MAY NOT BE JUDGED.   (as have the public judged the father and sister in this case)

No amount of preaching will overcome the many stories like this.

JUST STOP.

Are you listening JW.org and the Governing Body?

The Royal Commission in Australia brought forth the fact that JW Elders never called the police on pedophiles in over 55 years. Not even in instances where the abuser were the parents or immediate family members.

 

 

and you know how to save their lives, would you let these people walk by you while you are counting time for preaching without saying a word to them?

...will it be any fun to be the batter and never hit the ball thrown by a perfect pitcher with the perfect curveball. How much fun will it be to play basketball and never miss a basket?

...and yet you talk to this invisible friend several times a day even though the friend has never talked back to you?

This time we get to see a new shot of the interior of the GB's board room.

I also wanted to point out for those that didn't notice:

This isn't actually a BOE as in a policy letter, it's a response to a question that an individual wrote in. Also, as usual they despicably send a reply to both the individual AND his BOE without his permission. This is enough to scare away anyone from asking sincere questions.

3 days ago

 

Here is the BOE they sent out 3 days ago from 2017. Almost exactly one year ago.

https://we.tl/ODTwFYW6rn

Atlantis!

 

 

Watchtower would strip Jesus from his responsibility... ???

Beards and Special Privileges

https://we.tl/QoXBKLTp4L

via @Atlantis4

 

Come Home Cardinal Pell by Tim Minchen

[Verse 1]

It's a lovely day in Ballarat

I'm kicking back, thinking of you

I hear that you've been poorly

I am sorry that you're feeling blue

I know what it's like when you feel a little shitty

You just want to curl up and have an itty-bitty doona day

But a lot of people here really miss you, Georgie

They really think you ought to just get on a plane

(Just get on a plane)

We all just want you to...

[Chorus 1]

Come home, Cardinal Pell

I know you're not feeling well

And being crook ain't much fun

Even so, we think you should

Come home, Cardinal Pell

Come down from your citadel

It's just the right thing to do

We have a right to know what you knew

[Verse 2]

Couldn't you see what was under your nose, Georgie

Back in '73 when you were living with Gerry?

Is it true that you knew but you chose to ignore

Or did you actively try to keep it buried?

And years later, when survivors

Despite their shame and their fear

Stood up to tell their stories

You spent year after year

Working hard to protect the church's assets

I mean, with all due respect, dude

I think you're scum!

And I reckon you should...

[Chorus 2]

Come home, Cardinal Pell

(Cardinal Pell)

I know you're not feeling well

Perhaps you just need some sun

It's lovely here, you should

Come home, you pompous buffoon

(Pompous buffoon)

And I suggest do it soon

I hear the tolling of the bell

And it has a Pellian knell

[Bridge]

I want to be transparent here, George:

I'm not the greatest fan of your religion

And I personally believe that those

Who cover up abuse should go to prison

But your ethical hypocrisy

Your intellectual vacuity

And your arrogance don't bother me as much

As the fact that you have turned out to be such

A goddamn coward

You're a coward, Georgie

(You're a coward, George)

Come and face the music, Georgie

(Face the music, George)

You owe it to the victims, Georgie

(You owe it, George)

Come and face the music, the music

Hallelujah, hallelujah

If the Lord God omnipotent reigneth

He would take one look at you and say:

(One look at you and say)

[Chorus 3]

"Go home, Cardinal Pell

I've got a nice spot in hell

With your name on it and so

I suggest you toughen up and...

"Go home, Cardinal Pell

I'm sure they'll make you feel wel-

Come at the pub in Ballarat

They just want a beer and a chat"

Come home, Cardinal Pell

(Cardinal Pell)

I know you're scared, Georgie-Poo

(Come home)

They have a right to know what you knew

Your time is running out to atone, Georgie

I think the Lord is calling you home, Georgie

Perhaps he could forgive even you

If you just let them know what you knew

[Outro]

Oh, Cardinal Pell

My lawyer just rang me to tell

Me this song could get me

In legal trouble

Oh well, Cardinal Pell

If you don't feel compelled

To come home by a sense

Of moral duty

Perhaps you will come home and fricking sue me