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Maybe the word is not in the Bible because as I have stated before "The Bible writers such as John were Jews and Jews do not believe in a Trinity so you cannot look there for your teaching". Please try another Scripture if you dare. PLEASE I am having fun here.  Its Howdy Doody Time !

John never mentioned a "Trinity" please show me what Translation you are using that says so. John knew God was not a Trinity so he would not be teaching about a false God. The Bible should interpret itself not interpreted by manmade creeds written after the Bible.
You seem to be  arguing that Jesus is God but where is the third person. Jehovah's Witnesses have no problem in Jesus being called God so what is your argument about?

Good. He speaks for God not himself. For more info on other what other beliefs are in the Bible instead of made up hundreds of years later try JW.ORG.
 

All those kids were singing the SAME song at the SAME time they must all be the SAME!!!

Perfect example of what we are talking about. BTW John who wrote that passage you quote was a JEW and JEWS do not believe in a Trinity so you cannot find it there. Sorry

LOL If Jesus was God why use an angels voice at all? Certainly he would use his OWN voice instead of a created being. Howdy Doody indeed. 

I am trying to get you to read JUST the Bible but you bring up things outside the Bible such as Church Fathers. Why the blatant hypocrisy"
Why not just go to the BIBLE ALONE to prove your Trinity? Is it perhaps because you already know it is not there and cannot be proven in Scripture?

Why do you use idolatry at  the end of all your sentences?
Deut 4:15-18 : 15 “Therefore, watch yourselves closely—since you did not see any form on the day Jehovah spoke to you in Hoʹreb out of the middle of the fire— 16 that you may not act corruptly by making for yourselves any carved image having the form of any symbol, the representation of male or female, 17 the representation of any animal on the earth or the representation of any bird that flies in the sky, 18 the representation of anything creeping on the ground or the representation of any fish in the waters under the earth"

Strange you have to go outside the BIBLE to prove God is Trinity even though he didn't even say it. Why was that?
   The Bible clearly shows what you believe to be true about Church Fathers that AFTER the Bible was written false doctrines wound spring up. So your very "proof" is proof that the Trinity came AFTER the Bible was written and is not in the Bible for if it was no men afterward would have needed to make statements or creeds to formulate a teaching that is already in the Bible in the first place.
 "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you  and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30  and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." Acts 20:29,30.

Trinity This... Trinity that... John said this.. John said that .. blahahahahaaa ...
If you want to know what the Apostle John knew and said in Revelation it's VERY simple... in LESS than  the FIRST 11 words!
In vision he saw BOTH God and Jesus in Heaven, and they were not  joined at the hip !
Be a sport ... look it up ..... Revelation 1:1 .... shows that GOD and Jesus are NOT the same. They at this time are BOTH in Heaven, and  GOD... IS NOT JESUS.
AAAAnd ... Revelation 1:1 is SOooo easy to remember.

New Living Translation
This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,

English Standard Version
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Berean Study Bible
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

Berean Literal Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants what things it behooves to take place in quickness. And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant, John,

New American Standard Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

King James Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave Him to show His slaves what must quickly take place. He sent it and signified it through His angel to His slave John,

International Standard Version
This is the revelation of Jesus the Messiah, which God gave him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He made it known by sending his messenger to his servant John,

NET Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen very soon. He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John,

New Heart English Bible
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Revelation of Yeshua The Messiah, which God gave to him, to show his Servants what had been given to soon occur, and he symbolized it when he sent by his Angel to his Servant Yohannan,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He sent this revelation through his angel to his servant John.

New American Standard 1977
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Jubilee Bible 2000
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his slaves things which are convenient to do quickly, and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his slave John,

King James 2000 Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and revealed it by his angel unto his servant John:

American King James Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:

American Standard Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

Douay-Rheims Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,

Darby Bible Translation
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to shew to his bondmen what must shortly take place; and he signified [it], sending by his angel, to his bondman John,

English Revised Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

Webster's Bible Translation
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:

Weymouth New Testament
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

World English Bible
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John,

Young's Literal Translation
A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John,
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Not that it belongs in this topic but in the Greek which is what the New Testament was written has the word "governing""2232. hégemón for "taking the lead" in several Scriptures. Show me where the Greek word "triados" {No Strong's # identi] or the Latin word "trinitas"  is located in the New Testament manuscripts please?
Also ask yourself as to WHY is the word "Trinity" is not in the BIBLE since it is God's own Book?
Why is the word "Trinity" only used a couple hundred years after the Bible was written and was used by MEN not God. And God said that an apostasy would happen after that time when they would speak "twisted things" to draw away disciples. And  they have been "Drawn away" into over 2,000 sects all claim to believe in the same ONE God and most of them to a Trinity God.?
Why does the Catholic "Dictionary of the Bible" by Meckenzie a Jesuit like the Pope admit that "the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching"? The very Catholic faith that is the origin of your Trinity God.

Nice cop out but dosen't work. PLEASE show us where in the BIBLE that God is a Trinity {that is THREE not two in one }? It should not be THAT hard for you to do. You have read the Bible before. If not please do so then come back and have an intelligent discussion on the BIBLE and the identity of GOD from HIS own Book. "YOUR WORD IS TRUTH" John 17:17

Topic is Trinity, so prove it with the Bible as the "foundation" anything else is just the word of men. Jn. 17:17
Should not the identity of God be in the BIBLE??? LOL 

By your Trinity belief the angels who spoke for God and said God's WORD [logos] they are all GOD. Since they thenselves said the words "I AM GOD" !!!
Do you now DENY that Jesus is God just because angels said the same thing?

So far you have failed to even give ONE Scripture to prove that the Bible teaches a Trinity. Still waiting.

And that is BECAUSE the Bible Writers were not Trinitarians.  Very good.

LOL. Who was "speaking" to Moses at the burning bush and said "I am the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob"?

I am talking about the BIBLE here which IS John's belief. He wrote the Book of John so of course it is his belief. Sorry if you thought otherwise. Where is your Trinity, show me a Scripture from the BIBLE to prove it PLEASE I am waiting patiently.

Jesus can be equal just like other angels have been throughout history. But where is the Trinity, you keep avoiding that point I see.Angels have been called "God Almighty", "The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob" and even by the name "Jehovah" but they were still just angels speaking for God.

Please do FROM THE BIBLE [JOHN 17:17].  Should not the definition of God actually be IN THE BIBLE?  It is not rocket science. If you cannot define your Trinity with the Bible then whats the point of this discussion at all. I mean you do believe your Trinity is in the BIBLE don't you??? Then show us Scriptures to prove it. There are Tens of Thousands of Scriptures in the Bible and you can't even find ONE? You do own a Bible I hope since you are trying to prove that your God is in there? No one cares about what some scholars wrote years after the Bible was written. If you cannot demonstrate your teaching is from the Bible then your teaching is false for "God's WORD is TRUTH" Jn. 17:17.

That is true after all the "word" Trinity is not used about your god until hundreds of years AFTER the Bible was written. Why is that? If the Bible writers believed in your  false god called Trinity then why didn't they say anything about it? Dose it even occur to you that maybe the Bible writers who were all Jews and did not believe in your false god did not mention it because they do not believe in it? Why should they believe in your false god when they are the ones who left Egypt in the first place to get away from false religion such as the Trinity of Horus, Isis and Osiris. 
You obviously enjoy the false religious teachings of Egypt. Not just the Trinity but perhaps even other teachings such as the Immortality of the Soul. We all know you continue to display your Egyptian hieroglyph of the fish god at the end of your paragraphs. There is only ONE GOD not a fish or a three-headed war-mongering people-burner. 

That is correct. So why don't you do that yourself. Is the reason you don't use the Bible to prove your Trinity because you know that the writers were all Jews and Jews do not believe in a Trinity? The First Century Christian Bible writers ONLY used the Old Testament {YOUR OWN ADMISSION - "JEWISH OT"!!!!!} which was written by JEWS. Every single book in fact written by Jews.  The enemies of the Jews believed in the Trinity, such as the Egyptians and Babylonians. Now think if the Trinitarians were on the wrong side thousands of years ago what makes you think you are on the right side today when it is the BIBLE that we are suppose to get the truth from. "Your WORD is TRUTH" John 17:17 - not Church Fathers.
Of course I do not want to assume you would be with the non-trinitarian Jews at the time of the Exodus. Perhaps you would have been with your religious compatriots and would be with the fishes at the bottom of the Red Sea. Is that why you use a fish hieroglyph {Hatmehyt <><} like the Trinitarian Egyptians did who also worshiped many animals instead of the ONE TRUE GOD JEHOVAH? Deut. 6:4
"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the WATERS BELOW." Exodus 20:4 NIV.
 

So Why do you continue to go to a source OUTSIDE the Bible to try and prove your false teaching? At lease quote a source that uses the word "Trinity", not that it matters since the writers of the Bible did not believe in a Trinity. 
Whatever Clement meant or believed and wrote after the Bible was written at the time the apostasy had occurred actually proves the "Trinity" came after the Bible was written by your own admission. Try using the BIBLE so you won't look so ignorant of the facts !!!
 "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you  and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30  and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." Acts 20:29,30.

Where did the Trinitarians go?

In the original post the point I was making is that Jesus can be called "God" because "the angel of the Lord" {Jehovah's angel}  was also called God but obviously according to context and harmony we all know angels are not GOD. The point I am making is GOD is merely a TITLE that can be applied to others including Jesus but that does not make them all the same person or "God".