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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in New DNA Study Confirms Noah   
    by Brian Thomas, M.S. 
    Evolutionary teachings hold that all mankind arose from a population of ape-like ancestors from which chimpanzees also evolved. But Genesis, the rest of the Bible, and Jesus teach that all mankind arose from Noah's three sons and their wives. A new analysis of human mitochondrial DNA exposes two new evidences that validate the biblical beginnings of mankind.
    Mitochondrial DNA comes from mothers. Mother egg cells transmit their mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) into the cellular mitochondria of every child born. This unique annex of DNA contains 16,569 bases—either adenine, guanine, cytosine, or thymine (A, G, C, T)—that encode vital cellular information, like an instruction manual.
    Scientists have been comparing the genetic differences between every major people group around the globe. How did those differences arise?
    Assuming that God placed the ideal mtDNA sequence into Eve, all those differences arose by mutations since the Genesis 3 curse, about 6,000 years ago. Other scientists measured the rate at which these copying errors occur. Though very slow—we acquire about one mutation every 6 generations—a few dozen mutations could appear after several millennia.
    This sets the stage for researchers to compare competing models' predictions against measured mtDNA differences.
    Bible-believing molecular biologist Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson downloaded publicly available human mitochondrial genome sequence data to do exactly that. Publishing in Answers Research Journal, his results show that the number of today's mtDNA differences exactly matches the number predicted by the Bible's 6,000 years of human history.1 Mitochondrial DNA from around the world shows no trace of the 200,000 or so years' worth of mutations that the evolution model predicts.
    Geneticists construct tree diagrams using software that places the most similar genetic sequences near one another, and the most dissimilar sequences on the longest branches. Jeanson found at least two distinct patterns in the human mtDNA tree diagram that confirm Genesis.
    The center of the diagram shows three main trunks. Each reflects a specific mtDNA sequence with only a handful of differences from the other two.
    Could these three trunks represent the unique mtDNA from the wives of Shem, Ham, and Japheth?
    A second pattern emerges that also fits the three wives explanation. Assuming longer times between each generation, according to the biblical record of lifespans before the Flood, and using today's slow mutation rate, the 1,656 years between Adam and Noah would have produced the small number of differences that the short lines between each trunk represent.
    Jeanson compared the small number of mtDNA differences between each trunk, or central node, with the relatively large number of differences in the branches. He wrote, "About 1,660 years passed from Creation to the Flood, whereas 4,365 years passed from the Flood to the present—a ~2.6:1 time ratio. Consistent with this, the branches connecting the nodes to one another were much shorter than the branches spraying out from the nodes—as if the short branches represented pre-Flood mutations, and the long branches represented post-Flood mutations."1
    It appears that modern genetics confirms Genesis, which says, "So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him."
    This study produced two Genesis-confirming results. First, the human mtDNA tree has three trunks, which fits the Genesis model that all peoples descended from three foundational mothers—the wives of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Second, 6,000 years of today's slow mutation rate would exactly produce today's measured number of mtDNA differences. Genetics again confirms Genesis.
    http://www.icr.org/article/9325/
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Tour of Wallkill Pressroom   
    Tour of Wallkill Pressroom 
    Brother Knorr gave me my first tour of Walkill back in the 1970's. Of course back then the pressroom was in a different location on the premises.
    You can search above for more about him.
    Agape!
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Preparing for Marriage—Part 1: Am I Ready to Date?   
    Preparing for Marriage—Part 1: Am I Ready to Date?
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Faithful and Discreet Slave   
    Part of a series on:
    The faithful and discreet slave is the term used by Jehovah's Witnesses to describe the religion's Governing Body in its role of directing doctrines and teachings. The group is described as a "class" of "anointed" Christians that operates under the direct control of Jesus Christ[1] to exercise teaching authority in all matters pertaining to doctrine and articles of faith.[2][3]
    The concept is a central doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses' system of belief[4] and is based on their interpretation of the Parable of the Faithful Servant in Matthew 24:45–47, Mark 13:34-37 and Luke 12:35-48.
    The doctrine has undergone several major changes since it was formulated in 1881 by Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Bible Student movement. Russell initially applied it to the "church"—the "little flock" of 144,000 who would go to heaven—but five years later explained that it was an individual who would act as a sole channel or agent for Christ, dispensing "food", or new truths, for God's "household". Bible Students consequently regarded Russell as the "faithful and wise servant" of the parable.[5][6] In 1927 the Watch Tower Society announced that the "servant" was not in fact an individual, but was made up of the entire body of faithful spirit-anointed Christians; by 2010 that group numbered about 11,000 Witnesses from around the world.[7] In 2012 the society announced an "adjustment" of the doctrine, explaining that the slave was now understood to be synonymous with the Governing Body, a small group of anointed elders serving at the religion's world headquarters. The announcement also marked a change in belief about the timing of the slave class's appointment by Christ: it was said to have taken place in 1919 rather than in apostolic times, as previously believed.[8]
    The current teaching is that the governing body is synonymous with the Faithful & Discreet Slave Class. There was no governing body in Russell's day. A Board of Directors was selected after Russell's death to take the lead of the Society's affairs. The Watchtower considers this to be the first "governing body" and also the first "faithful slave".
     
    Role
    Watch Tower Society publications teach that Jesus uses the faithful and discreet slave "to publish information on the fulfillment of Bible prophecies and to give timely direction on the application of Bible principles in daily life"[9][10] as the only means of communicating God's messages to humans. It is referred to as God's "prophet"[11] and "channel",[12] and claims to provide "divine" direction and guidance. Jehovah's Witnesses are told their survival of Armageddon depends in part on their obedience to the slave class.[13] Governing Body members are said to act in the role of the faithful and discreet slave class when arriving at decisions on doctrines, activities and oversight of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, including making appointments to positions of responsibility.[14][15][16]
    Origin and history
    The parable on which Jehovah's Witnesses base their doctrine of the "faithful and discreet slave", as rendered in the King James Version, reads: "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods."
    Watch Tower publications state that Christ, the "master" in the parable, returned in Kingdom power in 1914 and at that date identified those associated with the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society as the only group still faithfully feeding his followers.[17][18][19] (Earlier publications apply different dates to this event. The date of Christ's inspection has previously been identified as 1919,[20] though publications have also suggested Russell's group passed God's test of fitness 40 years earlier, using The Watchtower as his principal method of spreading Bible truth from 1879. Publications had claimed the slave class began using the Watch Tower Society as its legal instrument in 1884.)[21][22] Christ, in fulfillment of the parable, subsequently appointed anointed Christians associated with the Watch Tower Society "over all his belongings". The "belongings" are said to today include Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn headquarters, branch offices, Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls worldwide as well as the "great crowd" of Jehovah's Witnesses.[17]
    Development of doctrine
    In 1881, an article in Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence by the magazine's editor Charles Taze Russell identified the "faithful and wise servant" as "that 'little flock' of consecrated servants who are faithfully carrying out their consecration vows—the body of Christ ... the whole body individually and collectively, giving the meat in due season to the household of faith—the great company of believers."[23][9][24]
    In 1895, Russell's wife Maria claimed that Russell himself was the figure referred to in the parable at Matthew 24:45-47, though Russell initially declined to accept the personal application of the title, suggesting that it should apply to the Watch Tower rather than its editor.[25][26] In 1897 Russell agreed that Christ would have made a "choice of one channel for dispensing the meat in due season [emphasis in the original]" and while he did not refer to that "one channel" as an individual, Russell did apply to it the personal pronoun "he" (for example: "if unfaithful he will be deposed entirely"), and noted "whoever the Lord will so use, as a truth-distributing agent, will be very humble and unassuming" and "he would not think of claiming authorship or ownership of the truth."[27]
    In 1909, in an unsigned article, the Watch Tower mentioned that the "application to us of Matthew 24:45" had come "some fourteen years ago", or about 1895. The article went on to say "the Society's literature was the channel through which the Lord sent them practically all that they know about the Bible and the Divine purposes." [emphasis added][28]
    The prevailing view among Bible Students that Russell was "the faithful and wise servant" of Jesus' parable,[29] was reiterated in the Watch Tower a few weeks after Russell's death in 1916:
    Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of "that faithful and wise servant," and that his great work was giving to the Household of Faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation.[30]
    The Watch Tower Society's official history of Jehovah's Witnesses states that Russell "did not personally promote the idea, but he did acknowledge the apparent reasonableness of the arguments of those who favored it."[31]
    In 1917, the publisher's preface to the book, The Finished Mystery, issued as a posthumous publication of Russell's writings, identified him as the "faithful and wise servant" appointed by Christ;[32] as late as 1923, the Watch Tower repeated the same belief about his role, declaring: "We believe that all who are now rejoicing in present truth will concede that Brother Russell faithfully filled the office of special servant of the Lord; and that he was made ruler over all the Lord's goods ... Brother Russell occupied the office of that 'faithful and wise servant'."[33]
    In 1927, Watch Tower Society president Joseph Rutherford reverted to Russell's original viewpoint, announcing that the "servant" was not an individual, but was made up of the entire body of faithful spirit-anointed Christians.[34]
    A 1950 issue of The Watchtower appeared to assign to the "mother organization"—in reference to the Watch Tower Society—the task of feeding Christians "meat in due season";[35] in 1951 the magazine defined the "faithful and discreet slave" as a class of people whose teachings were imparted through a theocratic organization.[36]
    1981 - Who Is The Faithful Steward, The Discreet One? - Talk by Frederick W. Franz then President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
    From 2000 the Governing Body was increasingly described as the representative[37][38] and "spokesman" for God's "faithful and discreet slave class".
    Watch Tower Society publications had taught that the "faithful and discreet slave" class had had a continuous uninterrupted existence since being appointed by Christ at the time of Pentecost AD 33,[20] when the first 120 people upon whom holy spirit was poured out began "feeding" Jews with spiritual food. As new disciples came in, they filled the role of "domestics" and joined in feeding others. The Apostles and other early Christian disciples who wrote the books of the New Testament were also part of the "slave" class providing spiritual food to Christians.[39]
    The Watchtower claimed members of the "slave" class were a close-knit body of Christians rather than isolated, independent individuals, and that one generation of the "slave" class fed the succeeding generation to maintain the unbroken line for more than 1900 years,[39][40] providing the same spiritual food to Christians worldwide.[20] Watch Tower publications did not identify the groups filling the role of the "slave" class between the close of the Apostolic Age and the early 20th century, suggesting it disappeared from "clear view",[40] but they implied they might have included the Lollards and the Waldensians (the latter movement described by The Watchtower as "faithful witnesses of Jehovah ... who sought to revive true worship of Christianity").[41][42][43]
    A series of talks at the 128th annual meeting of the Watch Tower Society in New Jersey on 6 October 2012 made further changes to the doctrine about the identity of the "slave". The society's report on the meeting said that "the faithful and discreet slave was appointed over Jesus' domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ's presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as 'the faithful and discreet slave.'" The report said the slave "logically" must have appeared after Christ's presence began in 1914.[8]
    The doctrinal change also redefined the "domestics" of the parable—previously identified as individual "anointed" Witnesses[44]—as all Jehovah's Witnesses.[8]
    See also
    Watchtower (Study edition) - July 15, 2013
    144,000
    David H Splane: The Slave Is Not 1900 Years Old - Matt 24v45 

     
    References
    The Watchtower, March 15, 2002 pp. 13-14 paragraph 4 Watchtower August 1, 2001 p. 14 paragraph 8, "A mature Christian ... does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and 'the faithful and discreet slave.'" "Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation", Watchtower, June 15, 1964, page 365, "The abundance of spiritual food and the amazing details of Jehovah's purposes that have been revealed to Jehovah's anointed witnesses are clear evidence that they are the ones mentioned by Jesus when he foretold a 'faithful and discreet slave' class that would be used to dispense God's progressive revelations in these last days ... How thankful we should be for the provision God has made of this slave class, the modern spiritual remnant, as they faithfully dispense the revealed truths of Jehovah! ... Jehovah's faithful witnesses have been progressively brought to an understanding of Jehovah's purposes, which are clearer now than ever before in history." Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed. University of Toronto Press. p. 160. ISBN 0-8020-7973-3. Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed. University of Toronto Press. p. 33. ISBN 0-8020-7973-3. The Watchtower, February 15, 1927, page 55, paragraph 38. Watch Tower, 1927, as referenced by Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watchtower Society, 1993, page 626. Report of Annual Meeting, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, October 6, 2012. Hoekema, Anthony A. (1963), The Four Major Cults, Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans, pp. 246–247, ISBN 0-8028-3117-6 Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, Watch Tower Society, 2005, p. 16. The Watchtower April 1, 1972, p. 197. The Watchtower August 1, 2002, p. 13 paragraph 17. "Do You Discern the Evidence of God's Guidance?", The Watchtower, April 15, 2011, pages 3-5. "Do You Discern the Evidence of God’s Guidance?", The Watchtower, April 15, 2011, "Jesus Christ is the assigned Leader of the congregation. He has delegated some authority to a faithful slave class, made up of faithful spirit-anointed Christians. That slave class, in turn, appoints overseers in the Christian congregation." "Do You Take the Lead in Showing Honor?", The Watchtower, October 15, 2008, page 23, "It is Scriptural for “the faithful and discreet slave” through its Governing Body to appoint men to positions of responsibility, and some men are appointed to exercise authority over other appointed men." Overseers and Ministerial Servants Theocratically Appointed", The Watchtower, January 15, 2001, page 15, "The Governing Body appoints qualified brothers at the branches to represent it in making appointments of elders and ministerial servants. Care is taken that those acting representatively on behalf of the Governing Body clearly understand and follow the Scriptural guidelines for making such appointments. Hence, it is under the direction of the Governing Body that qualified men are appointed to serve in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide." Organized To Do God's Will, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 2005, page 16. Hoekema, Anthony A. (1963), The Four Major Cults, Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans, pp. 300–301, ISBN 0-8028-3117-6 Beckford, James A. (1975), The Trumpet of Prophecy: A Sociological Study of Jehovah's Witnesses, Oxford: Basil Blackwell, p. 109, ISBN 0-631-16310-7 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism”, The Watchtower, September 15, 1983, page 19, paragraph 19. Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1959, page 22, "... in many ways the evidence was beginning to accumulate that, of all the early voices heard, Jehovah had chosen the publication we now call The Watchtower to be used as a channel through which to bring to the world of mankind a revelation of the divine will and, through the words revealed in its columns, to begin a division of the world's population into those who would do the divine will and those who would not. For this reason 1879 was a turning point in the work. This little group, headed by C.T. Russell, had now been tested and had been found fit to undertake the great preliminary campaign leading up to the climax expected in 1914." "Willingly Expand Your Ministry", The Watchtower, June 1, 1963, page 338. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, October/November 1881. Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1993, page 142. Watch Tower, July 15, 1906, Watch Tower Reprints, page 3811, As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 215. Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed. University of Toronto Press. pp. 33–37. ISBN 0-8020-7973-3. The Battle of Armageddon (Part IV, "Studies in the Scriptures") by C. T. Russell, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1897, page 613. Watch Tower, October 1, 1909, Watch Tower Reprints, page 4482, As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 292 "Testing and Sifting From Within", Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watchtower Society, 1993, page 626, "According to Brother Russell, his wife, who later left him, was the first one to apply Matthew 24:45-47 to him. See the Watch Tower issues of July 15, 1906, page 215; March 1, 1896, page 47; and June 15, 1896, pages 139-40." Watch Tower, December 1, 1916, Watch Tower Reprints, page 5998, As Retrieved 2009-09-23, page 357 "Testing and Sifting From Within", Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, page 626, "Many ... clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the "faithful and wise servant" ... Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. In view of the prominent role that Brother Russell had played, it appeared to the Bible Students of that time that this was the case. He did not personally promote the idea, but he did acknowledge the apparent reasonableness of the arguments of those who favored it." Publisher's Preface, Studies in the Scriptures, Series VII: The Finished Mystery, Peoples Pulpit Association, Brooklyn, NY, 1917. Watch Tower, March 1, 1923, pages 68 and 71, as cited by Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience, Commentary Press, 2007, page 63. Watch Tower, 1927, as referenced by Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, Watchtower Society, 1993, page 626. The Watchtower, September 15, 1950 p. 326|"The Father is the great Provider of spiritual food, and he delegates to his organization the duty of preparing and serving this life-sustaining 'meat in due season'. The table is the Lord’s, he sits at the head, and the children seated at the table are waited on and served and helped by the mother organization." "Release Under Way to the Ends of the Earth", The Watchtower December 15, 1951, page 749, paragraph 4|"Christ Jesus approved of his remnant as a 'faithful and discreet slave' and set this "slave" class over all his earthly belongings. Then by the theocratic organization Jehovah led them from one truth to another, opening the eyes of their hearts and the ears of their understanding to see and hear these truths." The Watchtower, May 15, 2008, page 29 "Seek God's guidance in all things", The Watchtower, April 15, 2008, page 11. "How Are Christians Spiritually Fed?", The Watchtower, January 15, 1975. "Do You Appreciate the “Faithful and Discreet Slave”?", The Watchtower, March 1, 1981, page 24. Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1945, page 307. Franz, Raymond (2007). In Search of Christian Freedom. Commentary Press. pp. 128, 129. ISBN 0-914675-17-6. Penton, M. James (1997). Apocalypse Delayed. University of Toronto Press. pp. 179–183. ISBN 0-8020-7973-3. Insight In The Scriptures volume 1, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1988, p. 805-806. See also:
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Jack Ryan in Faithful and Discreet Slave   
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Evacuated in Faithful and Discreet Slave   
    You understood me right JW Insider. I certainly do not think current GB have 'thought more of themselves as is necessary to think' in order to make sense out of Jesus words at Matt 24:45-47.
    But I also believe that it was necessary for the GB to not think less of themselves than it was necessary to think in order to correct what was (for me) the rather clumsy notion that the faithful and discreet slave could be over the domestics and be the domestics at the same time.
    Anyway, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement:
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Faithful and Discreet Slave   
    New Light:
    The article explains that the FDS gets two appointments. The first is over "the domestics" - everyone else other than the GB. This is understood to have happened 1919. The second appointment is over the belongings.
     
    @JW Insider Notice we are sticking with the 1919 inspection of the temple. (just a side note to add) We may want to start a different thread for 1919)
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Ukraine: Brothers Endure Convention Under Pouring Rain   
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    Asamblea en Ucrania 7.712 aguantando la lluvia que buen ejemplo para nosotros!!que gran ejemplo y aguante!
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Lussier Denis in Prince donated a LOT of money to JW.org (Watchtower)   
    I re-write here: "I dn't know if it is good to put this on internet."
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Queen Esther in Prince donated a LOT of money to JW.org (Watchtower)   
    I  agree...  not  all  things  belong  to  the  internet !
    We  had  today  a  *conference - curcuit*  from  Bethel  to  many  congregations  in  Germany  and  around.  Two  zone - overseers  from  Wallkill  gave  a  talk  and  still  more. The  technology  was  perfect,  but  forbidden,  making  any  private  recordings,  also  make  public,  what  we  have  written  during the  meeting !  Thats  sorry,  but  all  that,  maybe,  has  a  reason....   I  enjoyed  it  very  much  ;o)   Alot  news  we  heard.  Now  they  go  to  another  country  and  then  back  home  into  their  just  different  Bethel - houses.
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Prince donated a LOT of money to JW.org (Watchtower)   
    2005 - $20,000 for CHANHASSEN JEVOVAH WITNES y ST LOUIS JEHOVAH WITNESS
    2006 - $130,000 for JEHOVAH WITNESS KINGDOM HALL
    2007 - $800,000 for PECCOLE RANCH LAKES KINGDOM HALL FUND
    The amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his Love 4 One Another foundation.

     
    I will add a link to this page to his central post on this forum:
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Jack Ryan in Jehovah's Witness church plans memorial for Prince   
    Tyka Nelson Not Down with Witnesses’ Memorial for Prince

    *Wow. Talk about a super serious diss to the Jehovah’s Witnesses church.
    Prince‘s sister, Tyka Nelson, is making it crystal clear that she’s NOT down with Sunday’s memorial planned by his church — and the family won’t be participating.
    “Let me make myself VERY CLEAR! I nor my brother’s remains will be present at any Memorial or Funeral services, until the families Memorial/Funeral/Tribute,” declared Tyka in a Facebook posting.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses in Minnetonka, Minnesota — where Prince worshiped — announced a private service this weekend. According to local 5 Eyewitness News 300-500 guests are expected, including “high profile” persons.
    On the other hand, Tyka says she supports all memorials because the grieving process is unique to everyone who was connected to Prince, but wanted fans to know this weekend’s service is NOT the highly anticipated public tribute.
    READ RELATED STORY: Prince’s Siblings Attend Packed Hearing; Judge Appoints Special Administrator
    She said that will be coming sometime in August. Meanwhile, as we reported, the late singer’s ex-wives, Manuela Testolini and Mayte Garcia, organized a private memorial event in Hollywood on May 11, which was attended by the Gwen Stefani, Larry King and Spike Lee, among others.
    Meanwhile, Tyka is also making it known that there is no bad blood between her siblings as they attempt to divide the late singer’s estate.
    In the absence of a will, she filed legal documents to appoint a “Special Administrator” to Prince’s estate. Tyka, along with five half-siblings, John Nelson, Norrine Nelson, Sharon Nelson, Alfred Jackson and Omarr Baker, have faced off in court over his reported net worth of $300 million, but Tyka says they “remain united.”
    “To my knowledge…No One in my family has fought about anything, and least of all me…” she wrote on Facebook. “But I must admit I think it’s funny that I’m the one they say, ‘Stormed out…’ or that ‘We are at war’ Me? Us? Really? Where was I when all that happened?”
    Prince’s body was found in an elevator at his Paisley Park Studios/home in Chanhassen, Minnesota, on April 21. His body was cremated after being released to the family, but his remains have yet to be formally laid to rest.
    https://www.eurweb.com/2016/05/princes-sister-not-jehovah-witness-church-memorial-brother/
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Queen Esther in The Program and the 2 JW songs of the Funeral - Ceremony... ( Prince )   
    Yes,  I  hope  we  can  see  us  all  in  the  New  World !  Agape.
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Jimmie DeNise in The Program and the 2 JW songs of the Funeral - Ceremony... ( Prince )   
    Most of us only know Prince regarding his music. I first heard him in 1979 I think. But how wonderful it is to know that he loved Jehovah and became our brother. His death and belief sounded around the world and has made others stronger and more courageous in speaking boldly about Jehovah. May we all hope to see him in the New World. Please see me too. Agape.
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Queen Esther in The Program and the 2 JW songs of the Funeral - Ceremony... ( Prince )   
    Thank  you,  Sister  Annie ❤  nice,  that  you  like  it !
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Queen Esther in The Program and the 2 JW songs of the Funeral - Ceremony... ( Prince )   
    This  Funeral - Ceremony  Program  I  saw  by  a  faithful  Brother....
    I  looked  for  us  all,  the  2  wonderful  songs   ( tears  very  near...)
    ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ •*¨`*•..¸♥☼♥¸.•*¨`*•.♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
     
     


    I  never  thought,  that  Prince  belongs  to  the  Jehovah's  Witnesses....
    Today  I  am  sure,  he  is  my  Brother ❤
    See  us  all  in  the  NW  /  Paradise...  ;o)
    ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ •*¨`*•..¸♥☼♥¸.•*¨`*•.♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Meliae in Dutch TV crew kicked out of Circuit Assembly   
    My friend was there.
    They had been really disturbing and had been asked to leave few times, but came back.
    I usually don't watch any show they make because they are always very annoying and have an aggressive way of getting the things they want on tape. 
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in Dutch TV crew kicked out of Circuit Assembly   
    In the Netherlands, a TV crew for PowNed (a website/TV station known for their non-conventional approach and love for controversy) visited a Circuit Assembly
    The video starts with them asking 'Is everyone welcome here, even criminals, bikers, gays?', and the answer is of course yes.
    Then the clip focuses on asking JW's questions about gays and the Caleb video.
    In the end the crew is asked to stop filming and leave. Their 'implied invitation' has been withdrawn as they were 'creating unrest'.
    Possibly they actually were stirring things up a bit and left that out in editing; I wouldn't put that past them.
    Video in Dutch here 
    http://www.powned.tv/overpowned/aankondiging_studio_powned/2016/05/jehovas_reageren_op_antihomo_f.html
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in NPR: Russia's Jehovah's Witnesses Fight 'Extremist' Label, Possible Ban   
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in David Schafer: 'Practice Godly Devotion in Our Own Household' (1 Tim. 5:4)   
    David Schafer: 'Practice Godly Devotion in Our Own Household' (1 Tim. 5:4)
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to The Librarian in List of Celebrity Jehovah's Witnesses   
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    Part of a series on: Jehovah's Witnesses >
    Baptized JW's
    Serena Williams- tennis player ; 8 Grand Slam champion. Her "baptized" status is disputed since she has never been disfellowshipped for having a baby out of wedlock with Drake or her publicly nude photographs. Let's just say she is now the most famous celebrity who CLAIMS to be one.

    Venus Williams - tennis player ; 5 time Grand Slam champion
    Damon Wayans - TV and Film Comedy Star. Part of "The Wayans Brothers" TV show back in the 1990's. - Their father was a JW (someone mentioned even Anointed)
    Michael Jackson (deceased)

    Michael Jackson's Children and Mother Katherine Jackson

    Rebbie Jackson - Singer, daughter of Katherine Jackson


    Prince Rogers Nelson (deceased)

    Marques Houston - Singer and former member of the kid group "Immature" (and his manager)
     
    Coco Rocha - International Fashion Model

    Terrence Howard - actor; Ray, Hustle & Flow, etc. Children and brother are JWs. Studied when he was 17 years old. (not himself a JW)
    Bria Valente - Prince's Ex-GF back in 2007 - She has since remarried to another brother

    George Benson - Musician / singer (see also: George Benson and Friends - Sing Praises to Jehovah)

    "El General" - Panamanian singer

    Bobby Martin - Grammy winning producer. 
    Mateo - African Musician 
    Aoife Ní Thuairisg - Irish Television Presenter
    Tulsi Giri - Prime Minister of Nepal

    Bill Underwood - Reporter for the Phoenix Times Examiner

    Alexander P. Stewart - US Civil War Confederate General

    Allison Lozz - Mexican Actress (former). recently left novelas (soap operas) to be a more active in the ministry

    Maurizio Bianchi - Musician

    Ivana Brkic - Croatian Musician

    Angelo Palego - Leader of team searching for Noah's Ark

    Firpo Carr - Historian, author of Germany's Black Holocaust: 1890-1945; Wicked Words: Poisoned Minds - Racism in the Dictionary; founder: Scholar Technological Institute of Research, Inc. (STIR)

    Henry Carr - Olympian and NFL player (deceased)

    Herman Pizzanelli - Leading Uruguayan concert guitarist in the 1960s (convert to JWs)

    Willie Wise - NBA professional basketball player for Seattle Super Sonics and Denver Nuggets

    Dave Meyers - Professional basketball player (Los Angeles Lakers in 1970s)

    Mark McCumber - Professional golfer

    Dave Pear - NFL professional football player for Colts, Buccaneers, and Raiders (convert)

    Kid Gavilan - welterweight champion boxer; elected to boxing Hall of Fame in 1990 (convert to JWs)

    Jorge Påez "El Maromero" - Boxing World Champion 
    Pele Reid - Boxing Champion

    Shont'e Peoples - professional football player (Saskatchewan Roughriders); convert to JWs

    La Lupe - Cuban salsa singer (convert)

    Janis Gill - ex wife of country music superstar, Vince Gill, is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Vince Gill is NOT a Witness. He is strongly and violently opposed.

    Fedor Chistyakov - Russian Singer

    Richard Cameron - Dutch Musician

    Valerie Campbell - Mother of Naomi Campbell

    Tom Edur - Former NHL ice hockey player

    Mrs.Ida Eisenhower - (Mother of President Dwight D Eisenhower)

    Leopold Engleitner - Buchenwald concentration camp survivor and centenarian
     
    Mickey Spillane - Novelist

    Larry Graham - Sly & the Family Stone

    Danny Granger - Indiana Pacers small forward; Professional Basketball Player
    Teresa Graves - Reputedly the first black woman to play the lead in a police movie, also a singer


    Gary Gygax - Co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons 


    Scott Johnson - Actor

    Phillip Landry - Musican

    Maher Shalal Hash Baz - Japanese musician, name comes from the Book of Isaiah

    Margaret Keane - "Big Eyes" artist who said converting "changed her life."

    Peter Knowles - Famous soccer player in England who quit his football career in 1970 aged 24 to join the Jehovah's Witnesses

    Brian Locking - Bass guitarist with The Shadows for eighteen months, but left to Jehovah's Witnesses activities.

    Hank Marvin - Lead guitarist for The Shadows


    Bohumil Müller - Czech survivor of the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and underground religious leader under Communism.

    Viv Nicholson - famous London lottery winner in 1961. She then became a devout JW. The musical Spend, Spend, Spend was based on her story.

    Evelyn Ntoko (first wife of Nelson Mandela)

    Lieby Piliso - Nelson Mandela's younger sister

    Ken Richmond - The man who banged the gong in the Rank Organisation film logo from 1955 onward.

    Gevorg Petrosyanm -The Georgian-Armenian “Caruso,” who drives a taxi, but dreams of the stage

    Miu Sakamoto - Japanese Singer, a Daughter of Ryuichi Sakamoto and Akiko Yano

    Damo Suzuki (Converted in the 1970s, current membership status uncertain)

    Bobby Tambling - English footballer

    Phil Terry - member of the 60's R&B group The Intruders.

    David Thomas - Avant-garde rocker, "Jehovah's Kingdom come"[2][3]

    Jean Terrell - Replaced Diana Ross in the Supremes in 1970.

    Akira Toriyama - Japanese Mangaka(Cartoonist), Author of Dragon Ball(Manga)

    Yoshito Usui - Japanese Mangaka, Author of Crayon Shin-chan

    Reena Virk - Canadian child murder victim

    Lark Voorhies - actress, Saved By The Bell

    Lou Whitaker - Former MLB baseball player for the Detroit Tigers.

    Chet Lemon - played with the Detroit Tigers along with Lou Whitaker

    Akiko Yano - Japanese Singer, Former wife of Ryuichi Sakamoto

    Solveig Romero - Mexico and Switzerland, Actress and wife of Martin Campbell, the director of James Bond Casino Royale

    Chuck Winfield - Former Trumpet player for Blood, Sweat, and Tears.

    Rosalia Valdez - Former actress who left fame in Mexico to become a witness, daughter of famous Tin Tan Valdez.

    Carmina Villarroel - Filipino actress

    Patience Dlaminh - a weather forecast reporter in South Africa / Regional 'celebrity'

    Red Shea - Guitarist for Gordon Lightfoot (passed away in 2008)

    Tom Reynolds - He was one of the singers in the late 60's early 70's band 'Hamilton, Joe,Frank, & Reynolds.

    Toun Oni - Nigerian actress (featured in the TV drama 'fuji house of commotion') She was an active witness before her death a few months ago. In fact, she died of heart problems during the Lekki assembly hall construction work.

    Paul i.k Dairo (used to be one of Nigeria's top musicians); Last i heard of him, he is one of Jehovah witnesses.

    Wolf-Ekkehard Lonnig - a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany

    Hayden Covington - leading attorney for the Jehovah's Witnesses, Watchtower Society; won multiple U.S. Supreme Court cases; represented Muhammad Ali in court [not sure if he left eventually or not?]

    Chappel Fisher - Country Music DJ in Florida, USA

    Michael Worilds - NFL Player

    Tony Garcia - Artist, DJ, Producer, Re-mixer, Arranger, Composer,Writer of Dance Music EDM, Funk Melody Freestyle Music Owner of High Power Records


    Honorable B. Dwight Goains - US Federal Judge

    Micaiah and Tabitha Bethune - Owners of the Fashion Industry "The Wild Life Reserve" out of New Orleans

    Alex Rance - Soccer Star

    Pavel Pavlov & Aleksandr Kryukov - Ukrainian YouTube Stars
    Minh Hung Godenzi - Miss Hong Kong 1984
    Danny Collision - NBA Player currently in California
    Clarion Chukwurah - Nollywood Actress
    Irina Bohr - Russian singer
    Alisson Euler de Freitas Castro - Brazilian Footballer
    Carlos Gonzaga - Brazilian Singer
    Andriy Mykolayovych Nesmachniy (Ukrainian: Андрій Миколайович Несмачний)
    PC-One - Star of Slam in Haiti
    Jacy Brean - Author 
    Mina Godenzi - Actress, Model and Miss Hong Kong
    Phillip Ingram - Musician
    Ramón Gómez Valdés de Castillo aka "Don Ramón" - Famous Mexican Actor
    Kenya Moore - not sure as to her current status though. 
    Anneliese Zelina - Model
    Nicolas King - Singer
    Rob Richie - Major league baseball player with the Detroit Tigers

    Darren Collison

     
     
    Raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses
    President Dwight D. Eisenhower - WWII General and 34th President of the United States (1953–1961)
    Luke Evans - Actor
    Toni Braxton - Singer
    Michael Sam - First Gay NFL football player


    Nathan Day, frontman of grunge / Britpop group Darlia - "I grew up with a family whose parents were Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I felt very isolated."
    Kia Kahlo - Witness to rap
    Jacqueline Woodson

    Meg Myers - Musician / Singer
    Nathan Haines - Saxophonist
    Shushila Takao - Actress in New Zealand show "Filthy Rich"
    Kim Holland - Dutch Porn Actress

    Little Scream - Montreal musician

    Kelsey Lu - Fashion model
    Rebekah Vardy - I'm a Celeb star
    Alex Avery - Comedian in Portland, OR
     
    List of former Jehovah's Witnesses
    Michelle Rodriguez - actress, raised by mother
    Donald Glover - (aka Childish Gambino)

    Gregg Alexander - The New Radicals' lead singer; raised by mother

    Carol M. Swain - political scientist; professor at Vanderbilt University; author of Black Faces, Black Interests and The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration; left the Witnesses at the age of 20, in 1975 (Ms. Swain was born in 1954 into an extremely poor household in rural Virginia, not far from Roanoke. She grew up with 11 brothers and sisters, dropped out of school in the ninth grade and married at age 16 -- in part, she says, because she saw no need to plan for a lengthy future. She was a Jehovah's Witness, and she believed that Armageddon would begin in 1975)

    Peter Andre - Singer raised in Australia, presently living in London with wife pin up model *Jordan

    Naomi Campbell- Supermodel; Raised by mother

    Geri Halliwell - Singer (Spice Girls); Raised as a Jehovah's Witness[verification needed]

    Barbara Grizzuti Harrison - American writer of Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses(converted to Catholicism)

    Nancy Garrido - the now infamous kidnapper of Jaycee Dugard

    Latoya Jackson

    Michael Jackson - Michael became a Jehovah's Witness but disassociated himself shortly after his hit album, Thriller

    Olin R. Moyle - Former Watchtower Chief Attorney

    Dave Mustaine - Guitarist (ex-Metallica; Megadeth; ex- MD .45)

    Miki Nakatani - JapaneseActress, Raised as a Jehovah's Witness

    Gloria Naylor - novelist, author of The Women of Brewster Place (1982, American Book Award)

    Patti Smith - Singer and poet

    Leo Volpe

    Jill Scott-Singer; raised as one of Jehovah's Witness

    Hinano Yoshikawa - Japanese Fashion model and actress, Raised as a Jehovah's Witness

    K-os - Canadian R&B artist ; Raised Jehovah's Witness

    Rene Montes de Oca Martija - dissident human-rights activist in Cuba (son of JW)

    Selena Quintanilla Perez - Tejano singer ; raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

    Sherri Shepherd from The View. Her father is an elder in his congregation.

    Jill Scott - a singer,poet & actress from USA, she played in the movie - 'why did i get married'

    Maureen Mwanawasa, wife of late Zambian president, though she disassociated herself, but she still attends meetings. the late president was also studying with JWs, his mother was a JW. his children also attend meetings, i think one is a publisher.

    Thandiwe Banda our current Zambian first lady who was a JW until recently when she disassociated herself. Reportedly a former pioneer.

    Mamontha Modise was a JW. travels all over the world to report current news 2 South Africans.

    Ja Rule - Rapper - raised a jehovahs witness and is no longer one, in an interview he said his mother was disfellowshipped

    Jaywon; currently a musician, was raised a witness, later decided to follow a way of life thats suits him.

    Rick Haynes - Musician

    Travis Scott - NFL football player for Rams (raised JW)

    Scott Cheshire - Gotham City Writers
    Eddie Griffin - Comedian
    Leaders of the music band Shakespeare's Unit
     
    Rumors of:
    Eddie Murphy - Not verified yet

    Josh Groban - We don't know what to think yet.. ? Some have suspicions....

    Omarion - I believe he is only "studying"
     
    Jackie Chan - (I still don't believe the photo)
     
    Please Read
    Some people have wondered if we have listed people who simply studied briefly with Jehovah's Witnesses. As far as we know, this is not the case. Anybody can sit down and meet with Jehovah's Witnesses to study their beliefs. In no way would we consider that grounds for identifying somebody as a Jehovah's Witness. All of the people listed on our page have actually been considered Jehovah's Witnesses or considered themselves adherents of the faith, either by way of having been raised in the faith or because they were an active convert to the faith.
    Of course no insult is meant to Jehovah's Witnesses or anybody else by hosting this list. Personally, reading the biographies and faith statements of many famous Jehovah's Witnesses has helped tear down some stereotypes for me. It simply isn't true, for example, that this faith necessarily stifles creativity or achievement. Clearly, many adherents to the faith (including people raised in it as well as converts who chose to become Witnesses as adults) have been very famous creative people or have been very successful, as measured by worldly standards.
    Regardless of the obvious tensions between the pressures of worldly fame, versus remaining active in a religious faith which expects all of its members to live according to the highest Biblical standards of ethics and morality, there are indeed many "famous" adherents who have strived to remain faithful. Even for those who have failed to balance fame and success with the demands of their faith, the teachings and values they were raised with or embraced at some point as an adult remain forever an influence in their lives. Were this not true, these individuals would not be listed here at all. This list is based on what famous people themselves have said to interviewers and to the public. We have no access to actual Jehovah's Witness membership or attendance records. If a celebrity or famous person doesn't talk publicly about their experiences as a Jehovah's Witness, we would have no way of knowing about this part of their lives.
    The actions of a single individual should never be used to judge an entire group of people, and I believe most people realize this. Anybody who does try to condemn Jehovah's Witnesses by the behavior of their "worst" lapsed members or former members will stand instantly condemned themselves. This is because the cumulative behavior of the famous (and infamous) members of the group the accuser belongs to is far worse than anything they will be able to dig up relating to people who have been Jehovah's Witnesses. This is true of essentially any sufficiently large religious group. It is true also of anti-religious people, who are nearly always wise enough to avoid condemning entire groups by the actions of individuals, lest they be asked to answer for the hundreds of millions of murders perpetrated by Lenin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Nicolae Ceausescu, Joseph Goebbels, Maximillien Robespierre, etc.
     
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    vandenbusschevanoostjosett reacted to Queen Esther in WE GET 4 NEW SONGS... 151, 152, 153, 154 !   
    I got it from a trusty Brother. I will ask today by our meeting too !  But when you say, we get all in all 15 new songs, then we have all, curious... Lets inform us in our Bethel, maybe we get some more ? We shall see ;o) 
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