James Thomas Rook Jr.

You can fix many things with Duct Tape ... but not stupid.

It never ends.

Just when you think you have seen it all, heard it all, and read it all .... it NEVER ENDS.

Space Merchant:

Generally RoC refers to the Republic of China, also called "The Chicoms".. If it was me, I would have probably written out Russian Orthodox Church, then the initials (ROC) in parenthesis, then ROC thereafter.

Perhaps sometime in the past you did tell me about 777, but I do not remember it.

Thah'ss  a  OK, AllenSmith34 ... I wrote yor a name on a piece of ah paper and gave it to Guido ... who has knife scars from his eyebrows to his stomach, that never heal, and who has a very creative take on civilized behavior, and a  like a Lion when you remove a thorn from its paw ... never forgets a favor.

RoC = Republic of China?

777 Crew = an airline flight?

RUSSIA: Criminal investigations of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses - list
By Victoria Arnold, Forum 18

Full list of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses charged or named as suspects or currently on trial for "extremism"-related offences as of 13
September 2018. Of these, 25 are in detention, 9 under house arrest and 30 under travel restrictions. Four are thought not to be
under restrictions.
Since January 2018, law enforcement agencies have been raiding Jehovah's Witness homes across Russia, often involving armed riot
police or National Guard troops. These raids are usually led by the Investigative Committee, but the FSB security service and
anti-extremism police have also participated.
Consequently, 69 Jehovah's Witnesses - listed below - are under criminal investigation or on trial as of 13 September 2018 (see
F18News 13 September 2018 <http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2412>).
Of these, 65 are under investigation as a direct result of the Supreme Court's 20 April 2017 decision (upheld on 17 July 2017) to
outlaw the Jehovah's Witness Administrative Centre and its subdivisions as "extremist" and ban all their activities nationwide.
A further four Jehovah's Witnesses were charged with extremism-related offences before the ban came into force. Three of these are
already on trial; it is unknown when the fourth will appear in court.
Restrictive measures
After extensive searches of their properties and confiscation of personal belongings, Jehovah's Witnesses are usually taken to a
police station or FSB or Investigative Committee office for questioning. Interrogations can last many hours, and sometimes continue
through the night. Officers may then release them or hold them at a temporary detention centre for 48 hours. After 48 hours,
individuals may be released under travel restrictions or investigators request a court to approve longer-term restrictive measures -
house arrest or pre-trial detention.
Travel restrictions may be applied indefinitely, but investigators must renew them every two weeks - when summoned, a suspect or
accused person must attend the relevant law enforcement agency to sign another undertaking not to leave the town or district.
A judge may place an individual under house arrest for an initial period of two months, towards the end of which investigators must
go back to court to seek an extension. Under house arrest, a person may not leave his or her home (unless under special dispensation
to go to hospital or, in some cases, to work), receive visitors, send or receive post, use the telephone, or use the internet.
A judge may place an individual in pre-trial detention also for an initial period of two months, towards the end of which
investigators must go back to court to seek an extension.
Individuals may appeal to a higher court to have these restrictive measures lifted or reduced. A new law signed by President
Vladimir Putin on 3 July stipulates that one day in pre-trial detention now counts as one and half days in a correctional colony after
sentencing (this will be applied retroactively). Previously, custodial sentences were reduced by exactly the length of time a person
had served in pre-trial custody.
Investigators have opened criminal cases against these Jehovah's Witnesses under Article 282.2, Part 1 ("Organisation of the
activities of a banned extremist organisation") or Part 2 ("Participation in the activities of a banned extremist organisation"), and in a
few instances under Article 282.3, Part 1 ("Financing of extremist activity"). If convicted, they could receive lengthy prison
sentences or heavy fines. It is unknown when any of their cases will come to court.
Figures
A total of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses have been charged or named as suspects or are currently on trial for extremism-related offences as
of 13 September 2018. The majority of these people - 16 women, 49 men - are under investigation for "continuing the activities" of
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the banned Jehovah's Witness Administrative Centre and its local communities.
As of 13 September 2018, 25 people are in detention (24 men, 1 woman), nine people are under house arrest (all men), and 30
people (13 women, 17 men) are under travel restrictions. One woman has been placed under specific restrictive conditions. Only
four people (one woman, three men) are currently thought to be under no restrictions as the cases against them proceed.
Full list
Name, date of birth - date of initial arrest; date of decision to put in detention/under house arrest/under travel restrictions, date to be
released; charged/suspect under [Criminal Code Article]; whether or not on Rosfinmonitoring "List of Terrorists and Extremists"
--- 25 in Detention
Ivanovo - Shuya
1) Dmitry Vasilyevich Mikhailov, born 25 October 1977 - arrested on 19 April 2018; detained on 29 May 2018, until 19 October
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kemerovo
2) Sergey Alekseyevich Britvin, born 1965 - arrested on 22 July 2018; detained on 24 July 2018, until 19 September 2018; suspect
under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
3) Vadim Anatolyevich Levchuk, born 1972 - arrested on 22 July 2018; detained on 24 July 2018, until 19 September 2018; suspect
under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Khabarovsk
4) Valery Vasilyevich Moskalenko, born 1967 - arrested on 2 August 2018; detained on 3 August 2018, until at latest 2 October
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kostroma
5) Sergey Alekseyevich Rayman, born 1996 - arrested on 25 July 2018; detained on 26 July 2018, until at latest 25 September 2018;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Krasnoyarsk
6) Andrei Garafetanovich Stupnikov, born 17 September 1973 - arrested on 3 July 2018; detained on 4 July 2018, until 2 October
2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Magadan
7) Ivan Grigoryevich Puyda, born 5 November 1978 - arrested in Khabarovsk on 30 May 2018; detained in Magadan on 1 June
2018, until 29 September 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
? Sergey Liviyevich Yerkin, born 23 June 1953 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 30 September 2018;
suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
9) Yevgeny Anatolyevich Zyablov, born 9 March 1977 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 29 September
2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Murmansk - Polyarny
10) Roman Nikolayevich Markin, born 18 March 1974 - arrested on 18 April 2018; detained no later than 20 April 2018, until 11
October 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
11) Viktor Fyodorovich Trofimov, born 26 March 1957 - arrested on 18 April 2018; detained no later than 20 April 2018, until 12
October 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Omsk
12) Anastasiya Andreyevna Polyakova, born 25 May 1984 - arrested on 4 July 2018; detained on 6 July 2018, until 20 September
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2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 15 August 2018
13) Sergei Valeryevich Polyakov, 28 April 1972 - arrested on 4 July 2018; detained on 6 July 2018, until 20 September 2018;
charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 15 August 2018
Oryol
14) Dennis Ole Christensen, born 18 December 1972 - arrested on 25 May 2017; detained on 26 May 2017, until 1 November 2018;
currently on trial under Article 282.2 Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 27 March 2018
Penza
15) Vladimir Aleksandrovich Alushkin, born 30 June 1964 - arrested on 15 July 2018; detained on 17 July 2018, until 14 September
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6 September 2018
Primorye - Vladivostok
16) Valentin Pavlovich Osadchuk, born 15 March 1976 - arrested on 19 April 2018; detained on 23 April 2018, until 20 September
2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
17) Dmitry Viktorovich Barmakin, born 1974 - arrested in Nakhodka on 28 July 2018; detained on 30 July 2018, until 27 September
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Saratov
18) Konstantin Viktorovich Bazhenov, born 10 May 1975 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12 December
2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
19) Aleksey Vladimirovich Budenchuk, born 27 July 1982 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12 December
2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
20) Feliks Khasanovich Makhammadiev, born 14 December 1984 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12
December 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Tatarstan - Naberezhnyye Chelny
21) Ilkham Shamilyevich Karimov, born 9 February 1981 - arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September 2018;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
22) Konstantin Viktorovich Matrashov, born 22 August 1988 arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
23) Vladimir Nikolayevich Myakushin, born 6 November 1987 - arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September
2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
24) Aydar Maratovich Yulmetyev, born August 1993 - arrested on 29 May; detained on 31 May 2018, until 25 September 2018;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Tomsk
25) Sergey Gennadyevich Klimov, born 26 March 1970 - arrested on 3 June 2018; detained on 5 June 2018, until 31 October 2018;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
--- 9 under House Arrest
Bashkortostan - Ufa
1) Anatoly Sergeyevich Vilitkevich, born 15 September 1986 - arrested on 10 April 2018; detained on 12 April 2018 and released on
appeal on 21 June 2018; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring
List on 7 July 2018
Magadan
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2) Konstantin Nikolayevich Petrov, born 9 August 1986 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 29 July 2018;
released from detention on appeal on 3 August and placed under house arrest; ; unknown when house arrest due to end; suspect
under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Orenburg
3) Vladislav Sergeyevich Kolbanov, born 27 November 1992 - arrested on 16 May 2018; put under house arrest on 19 May 2018;
unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
4) Aleksandr Gennadyevich Suvorov, born 20 April 1980 - arrested on 16 May; detained on 19 May, 2018, until 14 July 2018;
released from detention on 3 August and placed under house arrest; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article
282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
5) Vladimir Yuryevich Kochnev, born 15 October 1979 - arrested on 16 May; detained on 19 May, 2018, until 14 July 2018 released
from detention on 3 August and placed under house arrest; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part
1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Penza
6) Vladimir Aleksandrovich Kulyasov, born 17 April 1974 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house
arrest on 17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on
6 September 2018
7) Andrei Aleksandrovich Magliv, born 20 June 1984 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house arrest on
17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6
September 2018
? Denis Vladimirovich Timoshin, born 23 March 1980 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house arrest
on 17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6
September 2018
Perm
9) Aleksandr Vasilyevich Solovyov, born 13 February 1970 - arrested on 22 May 2018; put under house arrest on 24 May 2018;
unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
--- 30 under Travel Restrictions
Amur
1) Dmitry Mikhailovich Golik, born 26 March 1987 - arrested on 20 July 2018; unknown if detained for 48 hours or when placed
under travel restrictions; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 30 August 2018
Belgorod
2) Anatoly Aleksandrovich Shalyapin, born 21 January 1994 - arrested on 7 February 2018; released under travel restrictions on 10
February 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Ivanovo - Shuya
3) Aleksey A., date of birth unknown - arrested 26 June 2018, unknown if detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on
unknown date; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; unknown if on Rosfinmonitoring List
4) Yelena Valentinovna Mikhailova, born 9 August 1983 - arrested 29 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 22
June 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
5) Svetlana P., date of birth unknown - arrested on 26 June 2018, unknown if detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on
unknown date; unknown if charged or still suspect, under Article 282.2 Part 1 and Article 282.3 Part 1; unknown if on
Rosfinmonitoring List
6) Svetlana Yuryevna Shishina, born 16 November 1975 - arrested 29 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 22
June 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
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Jewish Autonomous Region - Birobidzhan
7) Alam Abdulaziz ogly Aliyev, born 14 January 1963 - arrested on 17 May 2018; detained on 18 May 2018 but released on appeal
on 25 May 2018 and placed under travel restrictions; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List between
17 May and 13 June 2018
Kabardino-Balkariya - Maysky
? Yury Viktorovich Zalipayev, born 8 October 1962 - case opened in August 2017; put under travel restrictions on 24 April 2018;
currently on trial under Article 280, Part 1 and Article 282, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kabardino-Balkariya - Prokhladny
9) Arkadya Akopovich Akopyan, born 28 May 1948 - put under travel restrictions on 3 May 2017; currently on trial under Article
282, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kamchatka - Yelizovo
10) Snezhana Yevgenyevna Bazhenova, born 1977 - arrested on 19 August 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under travel
restrictions on 21 August 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
11) Vera Ivanovna Zolotova, born 1946 - arrested on 19 August 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on 21
August 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Orenburg
12) Pavel Aleksandrovich Lekontsev, born 5 July 1981 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16
May 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
13) Sergey Viktorovich Logunov, born 28 November 1962 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
16 May 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
14) Aleksey Nikolayevich Matveyev, born 23 April 1983 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16
May 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
15) Olga Timofeyevna Sandu, born 31 March 1984 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16 May
2018 but has since left Russia; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
16) Fail Samigullovich Shangareyev, born 16 December 1960 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions
on 16 May 2018 but has since left Russia; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
17) Nikolay Nikolayevich Zhugin, born 14 February 1976 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
16 May 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Oryol
18) Sergei Vladimirovich Skrynnikov, born 30 October 1962 - arrested 25 May 2017 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under
travel restrictions on 13 March 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 27 March 2018
Vladivostok, Primorye
19) Nailya Sunatovna Kogay, born 5 October 1951 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged
under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
20) Lyubov Aleksandrovna Galaktionova, born 1947 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged
under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
21) Nina Ivanovna Purge, born 19 June 1940 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged under
Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
22) Raisa Mikhailovna Usanova, born 28 September 1947 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
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23) Yelena Viktorovna Zayshchuk, born 25 August 1934 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April;
charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Pskov
24) Gennady Valerianovich Shpakovsky, born 6 October 1958 - arrested on 3 June 2018; put under travel restrictions on unknown
date; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6 July 2018
Sakha-Yakutiya - Lensk
25) Igor Nikolayevich Ivashin, born 16 April 1976 - arrested on 30 June or 1 July; put under travel restrictions on 2 July; suspect
under unknown Article; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Saratov
26) Gennady Vasilyevich German, born 12 June 1969 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under travel
restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
27) Roman Aleksandrovich Gridasov, born 16 September 1978 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put
under travel restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
28) Aleksey Petrovich Miretsky, born 14 December 1975 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under
travel restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Tatarstan - Naberezhnyye Chelny
29) Zinaida Viktorovna Soldatova, born 2 April 1967 - arrested on 27 March 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
12 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Parts 1, 1.1, and 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
30) Valentina Ivanovna Stepkina, born 18 January 1951 - arrested on 27 March 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions
on 6 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2 Parts 1, 1.1, and 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
--- 1 under Specific Restrictions
Kostroma
1) Valeriya Aleksandrovna Rayman, born 1993 - arrested on 25 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; released on 27 July 2018 but
not allowed to; go out at night; use the internet, telephone, or postal service; or talk to anybody else involved in the case; charged
under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
--- 4 under No known restrictions
Belgorod
1) Sergey Aleksandrovich Voykov, born 28 August 1975 - arrested on 7 February 2018; released under travel restrictions on 10
February 2018, which later lapsed; suspect under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kamchatka - Yelizovo
2) Konstantin Aleksandrovich Bazhenov, born 1977 - arrested on 19 August 2018; detained on 21 August 2018, until 18 October
2018; released on appeal on 29 August 2018; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
Kamchatka - Vilyuchinsk
3) Yelena Vyacheslavovna Popova, born 1963 - arrested on 30 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours, extended to 72 hours; placed
under house arrest on 3 August 2018; released from house arrest on appeal on 10 August 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1
and Article 282.2, Part 1.1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
4) Mikhail Yuryevich Popov, born 1962 - arrested on 30 July 2018; detained on 1 August 2018; released on appeal on 9 August
2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1 and Article 282.2, Part 1.1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
(END)
 

I understand that it is being discussed at World HQ running a special issue of the Watchtower, explaining the "signs from the heavens ..." that Hurricane Florence will be picking up sharks from the Atlantic Ocean, and dumping them in front yards, back yards, and on old peoples homes.

If at the Warwick GB conference room this is actually discussed, and it gets 67% of the votes of the GB, then this will be official "New Light".... "New Truth".

Absurd, you say?  No, No NO!

It follows well established patterns of reason and logic for over a HUNDRED YEARS  There is actually NO RISK to this as the credibility gap is WELL exceeded by the gullibility fill. 

Add to that is that if we refuse to believe it, we can be disfellowshipped for Apostasy, and that adds MASSIVE believability  in the real world .

Stay tuned to see if this report is true, or merely a satire.

 

 

... and remember, when you vote for what is true .... vote early, and vote often !

...and remember, in case of infrastructure collapse, anarchy, food and water shortages,  and people all around you dying because of hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, floods and other disasters ... Soylent Green ... is people !

2 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

..... for the deliberately stupid ... that was sarcasm.

You were referring to the post before this quote ... from me.

EVEN with a clear explanation that it was sarcasm ... you screwed it up!

In SEVERAL different ways !

I cannot help you.

38 minutes ago, Grey Reformer said:

I don’t find any of it funny, or see the humor about God holding us responsible for every human we drive away from learning about him and Christ. But, then again, I wouldn’t want to, and I’m certain God isn’t laughing either.

You misconstrue EVERYTHING.

I cannot help you.

40 minutes ago, Grey Reformer said:

That’s good you feel you’re wasting God’s time.

You misconstrue EVERYTHING.

I cannot help you.

Grey Reformer:

I have learned that between men of integrity, one can always be brutally blunt, but there is nothing you can do for Snowflakes who melt at a slight rise in "temperature".

Since you specifically asked for an answer, I will give you the general answer ... not point-by-point ... because it would take what would seem forever, and historically, would be a waste of my time.

The FACT is ... your viewpoint on human interactions is driven by your AGENDA, which on the surface, is quite noble, but you believe things that really happened did not, you believe things that are really are happening now are not happening, and you vigorously defend the completely indefensible.

I fully understand you are doing the best .. the VERY best ... that you know how to do with your world view of how things OUGHT to be.

You are ignorant, and cannot be taught.

You are going to have to educate yourself on how to think like an adult. 

I was a "late bloomer" in that regard myself, so having been there, I FULLY understand your dilemma.  I, also, was completely unteachable, hard headed, altruistic, and agenda driven ..... and painfully transparent to those that had to endure my cluelessness.

I of course was oblivious, because I was first clueless.  Being clueless is like being dead. You do not know you are dead, but it is quite clear to every one else.

..... but I digress,

Reality is not what you think it SHOULD be.

Reality is what reality is.

You need to put on your "Big Boy Pants", stop thinking like a Watchtower Lawyer's six year old son  .... and grow up.

You asked for answers .... be careful what you ask for ....

..... for the deliberately stupid ... that was sarcasm.

2 hours ago, AllenSmith34 said:

While you’re at it, include 1914, and 607 material that was made light upon your approach of misrepresenting the Watchtower as a witness. Just as 1975, 1925, and whatever else opposers dwell on.

Yeah ... why dwell on such things ... Like Adolph Hitler is reported to have said when Allied Forces were battling , forcing their way into Germany from both sides, destroying their cities while destroying their armies .... "Those Allies have ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF HUMOR!"

We should look at 1925 and 1975 as funny ... like Grandmother's continuous flatulating at the Kitchen Table.

...... the only ones that REALLY know, is Boris and Natasha Badenov, and of course, Moose and Squirrel.

In the Engineering community, an Eagle Landing on your building was usually a reference to a high powered executive coming in on a jet, from a faraway home office in California, to give a speech about the "New Project" the company just got awarded, and the entire satellite office in South Carolina staff came together to listen to what they already knew ... because the project was billable ... and this was a coordination meeting.

$$$$$$$$$$$$ .

Usually it was lavishly catered, but I always got to the cafeteria late and watched as hundreds of guys passed by to their tables, their plates LOADED with truly GIANT SHRIMP, and I never got to actually eat any.

But I digress......

These Executives were called "Eagles" because they would fly in on a Friday morning ( .... and party on their expense account the whole weekend ...), squawk, eat all the shrimp, take a dump, and go home.

Perhaps I will start a GOFUNDME account to actually do it.

3 hours ago, Anna said:

4 hours ago, JW Insider said:

"millions? ?now liv?ing will ne?ver ??di?e??.?"??

So how has this been explained away today? I don't seem to recall anything...

Just as the "Ministry of Truth" did in the book "1984" by George Orwell, the Society is revising History, wherever they can, to change graphic images ( posters, handbills, and other things that might be used in a current illustration) to read "Millions now living MAY never die." (emphasis mine).

The book "1984 was SUPPOSED to be a fictional dire warning of how societies evolve into a perpetual tyranny over time, and showing how it could happen.

We us it as a policy manual.

In "1984"  England  had evolved into INGSOC, and the way they maintained total social control was by changing the past by changing all historical references .... and by controlling the past, controlled the present, and controlled the future .... making it difficult or impossible to check the past for truthful references to ANYTHING.

The Society today is actively using this technique to change the past. In many cases the bound volumes of the Watchtowers and Awakes have been revised and do not show what was in the original magazines, and convention videos today mentioning our history make you wonder if they are talking about something that happened somewhere in a parallel Universe.

The "Millions now living may never die" is only THE classic example of rewriting the past, to control the present, and by controlling the present, control the future.

Here are two videos that explain "1984".

Watch them and weep.

 

 

 

NOW ... find the movie "1984", and watch it. It has a superstar of yesteryear in it ... but you hardly notice.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

as i can recall, JTR said ones that he write with bigger fonts because he can see that text better. Even i consider to put bigger fonts because of my dioptric glass i have (+3.5 for reading)  

i believe this is prime reason in his case :)))  

Actually, I use 18 size fonts because that's the size text I think in.  

Also, you may have noticed that my text is black, not dark grey, because, I think in ink.

4 minutes ago, Alithís Gnosis said:

There seems to be a consensus that bigger fonts drive some kind of a point.

You are right, Alithis Gnosis:

Some people will never, ever get the point of logic, and increased font size will not help them.

You can educate an ignorant man ... but there is nothing that can be done for stupid.

That would be my guess ... I have an Iridium Satellite Phone now, and could make a call from the middle of the Pacific Ocean, if I wanted ... but it is almost as big as a WWII walkie-talkie, and has a large folding antenna. 

It's not so much getting a signal FROM a Satellite, its the return signal. 

If memory serves, a cell phone has only .4 watts, and the power is turned up and down by the cell tower.

Perhaps I should work on a quantum entanglement phone, as conversation can now be reduced to zeros and ones (or on/off). and reconstructed at both ends. 

Perfect truly Instant communication across ANY distance,  even across the Universe, and it cannot be jammed or tapped.

Hmmmmm .....

I stay with Jehovah's Witnesses because the core theology is sound, and true .... and not because of the 85% arrogant self serving drivel I have to endure, and the resultant damage on the Brotherhood ... for three reasons:

1.) I appreciate what is actually true is exclusive to Jehovah's Witnesses, and there is nowhere else to go, and

2.) I have learned to expect as a natural right NOTHING from anybody, and

3.) I do not fear death as some do .... might be a good chance to test what I think I know.

Example:

Because of my love for dogs, my heart firmly and absolutely believes my dogs who have died will be waiting for me at the Rainbow Bridge. (Look it up).  There is absolutely no shred of doubt in my heart. None whatsoever. Anywhere.

My mind knows, based on what is true, that it is a complete fantasy.

I am stuck believing with ALL my heart and soul, something that is a complete fantasy, and is not true.

In that regard, but about different subjects, you and I share the same affliction.

We have brains ... we must use them.

That is what adults are supposed to do.

As Yoda says, if I remember correctly .... : "There is only DO .... There is no try"

Grey Reformer:

Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.

You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.

5 minutes ago, Grey Reformer said:

Seems a bit dishonest since apostate sites quote Watchtower publications as you do. What does that prove? That you think in the same lines of distorting the facts? How about some actual facts that everyone here implies.

What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.

It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".

Grow up !!

Currently, at Warwick World HQ, it takes translators to decipher an apology before it is printed in the publications.

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this? same talk, which acknowledg?e?d ?t?he Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment? a number felt regarding 1975." Yearbook 1980 pp.30-31 ?[I changed the word cantor to candor due to a typo on his site.]?

Speaking of CANDOR ... the following cartoon is how "candor" works at Warwick World Headquarters, as well as at other businesses ... EVERYWHERE. 

We are NOT immune to this!

It's a cartoon ... but what makes it funny ( and grabs your chest in a queasy sort of way generating sadness ...) is because there is SO MUCH TRUTH, in this satire of what is REAL.

 

Here is a joke for you:

QUESTION: What do you call "candor" ... bundled with insincere kindness?

ANSWER::  No one knows, as truth is being deliberately obscured.

 

 

Your homework (should you decide to accept) is to print out the above CANVAS on an 8-1/2x11" piece of paper and find the six things that are deliberate lies, and write it  on the margins of your paper.