James Thomas Rook Jr.

Agendas can be proven wrong with FACTS.

Facts cannot be proven wrong with Agendas.

No matter how noble the motive ....

Wrong is Wrong.

" STAY ALIVE 'TILL '75"

The climatic conclusion met with thunderous applause of the 1967 Charles Sinutko Assembly talk "Serving With Everlasting Life In View" !

After his opening weasel wording  he forgot his plausible deniability statement in the beginning, and ramped it up to a crescendo conclusion  that had the crowd roaring!

"STAY ALIVE 'TILL '75"

coverage with one transmitting station ?

Currently,  cell towers have to be about 16 miles apart with you somewhere  within 8 miles of a tower.

1 hour ago, Grey Reformer said:

Where is the red line for that kind of behavior? That people find it easy to pile on, on a misconception.

Grey Reformer:

Please go back and re-read what you have written in the last several weeks. It is all extremely consistent.

You care NOTHING about actual facts ... if it disagrees with your agenda.

In the very first issue of the Watchtower, Bro. C. T. Russel stated that ( heavily paraphrased) "The truth is the truth, no matter what the source ... if Satan tells you something that is true... it's still true".

That is still true today.

 

 

 

You may want to download BOTH  JPGs,  but especially the quote from Bro. Charles Taze Russel, which started the whole shebang of modern day Jehovah''s Witnesses ... based ON THIS PRINCIPLE. ... " What is Truth ?" It is high resolution, and easier to read when downloaded and enlarged.

 

 

... my words EXACTLY!

...is that a puzzle, Grey Reformer?

If you cannot put something in your own words, perhaps if you actually said it out loud, you would realize how goofy the premise is.

Go on .... give it a try!

I will take a long nap while you work on it.

16 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

The same pride I observe in myself, and many others overseeing the flock. The difference lies in that I harm to my family, perhaps to my own congregation, but the brothers on charge of the worldwide instruction harm the entire brotherhood.

Regarding this harm, presently, the most dangerous doctrinal matter affecting, not our ideas, but the real life of sincere Christians around the world is the deals with disfellowshipped persons, more precisely family members.

This is a horrible misinterpretation of the Bible teaching in 1 Cor 5. I literally cry many times observing families broken, many times with life wounds.

....  "bad ideas" (false theologies) have consequences in the real world.

Just as "Spacetime" is only one thing ... not space, and time (all time is local to the space that influences it), you cannot separate bad theology ( misrepresenting the will of God ) from resultant bad consequences.

The song we sang this weekend:

"Listen, Obey and be blessed,

When you hear God's will expressed ..."

... presumes that what we are hearing is ACTUALLY God's will and not self-serving irresponsible  cruelty, mislabeled and disguised as kindness.

Unfortunately, there is no one to fire those responsible.

....... perhaps Jehovah will hear our prayers of grief and anguish over the things we have seen, and have to to endure from the Shepherds we have now, who fleece us ....  and for fear of being eaten by them ... they force us to cruelly  eat our Brothers,  our Sisters, and our families.

Grey Reformer is no reformer at all .... he is completely "Doubleplusgood" agenda driven.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The crazy thing is people are burning their Nike products in protest. I mean, if they do not like Nike just sell or donate the items, make a profit off of anything Nike you owned, but sadly, they prefer to burn it all, and it shows that such is over the top nowadays.

I agree with burning the shoes if I was anyone but me.  50 Years ago I had a Nikon F 35mm camera, and put black plastic electrical tape tape over the name on the front of the pentaprism.

They were not PAYING me for the advertising.

Yes, it was "over the top"

.... better than being "under the bottom"!

 

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Say, wasn’t that JTR who just walked by in his spanking shiny new Nike’s?

No, I wear off brand, heavy clunky shoes I can get cheap ....

I rest my case .....

... the Universe does not care, as we are all biodegradable.

As in the movie "The Matrix" it all boils down to what is acceptable to you personally .... do you want to live in a peaceful, tranquil world of complete fantasy (The Blue Pill), or the dangerous and hard world of reality (The Red Pill).

If you refuse to choose, you get force-fed the Blue Pill, from the unplugged refrigerator.

2 minutes ago, Anna said:

Of course we (they) shouldn't be predicting or prophesying anything. The prophesies are already there in the Bible. It's the interpretation of them that's the problem.  And we (they) haven't done all that well so far....

We (they) are batting ZERO, after a hundred and more years of trying.

I suppose some delusions are helpful, short term. 

It keeps some parents from drowning their ugly babies.

... remember "Evidence"?

Faith Healers, Witch Doctors, and Shamans perhaps can "heal" a persons being hard of hearing (Or perhaps they had ear wax...).

Call me when they heal an amputee.

10 minutes ago, Anna said:

16 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

May I assume the questions I have asked have a resounding "NO!", from your experience and knowledge?

No, I agree with you. But it still doesn't prove that they are not " bitterly weeping at such things ".

With the COMPLETE and TOTAL absence of any EVIDENCE to the contrary .... yes, it does.

When you are claiming to represent Jehovah God,  the standards are higher than " ... we were all just self-deluded incompetent fools, looking to preserve our jobs and positions".

If they are NOT .... those PRETENDING to be God's channel of communication have forgotten to plug dat 'ol regriratator into the wall... and the "food at the proper time" is THERE ..... but it is LONG SPOILED.

A reasonable person might expect SOMETHING ..... ANYTHING "prophesied" to be right ...

Even a blind pig will OCCASIONALLY find an acorn.

How have  we done on that issue? (..and I am NOT talking about literal acorns)?

Hmmm?

17 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

6 hours ago, Anna said:

Honestly how can you know?

Heard anything from ANY platform?

Seen any evidence in ANY publication?

Know about any internal "reform" movement?

Heard about any Governing Body Member quitting in disgust?

I have not, to ANY of the above.

THAT'S how I know.

Hard evidence.

May I assume the questions I have asked have a resounding "NO!", from your experience and knowledge?

8 minutes ago, Anna said:

Actually it's not a fantasy. It's the "now" that's the problem. No one can say "when" millions living will never die, but it's not a fantasy, as one day it will be a reality.

One day Sol, our star, will go Nova,  expand to about the orbit of Mars.

Predicting that it will happen in our lifetime is a fantasy, a lie, and worse.

but it could be VERY lucrative, if you can can completely suppress your conscience !

3 minutes ago, Anna said:

But you can't see inside peoples hearts.

I do not need to look inside a refrigerator what has been unplugged for a month to know what is inside.

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Honestly how can you know?

Heard anything from ANY platform?

Seen any evidence in ANY publication?

Know about any internal "reform" movement?

Heard about any Governing Body Member quitting in disgust?

I have not, to ANY of the above.

THAT'S how I know.

Hard evidence.

It is my understanding that the "Millions now living will never die!" fantasy was actually a typo.

It should have been "Millions  now living will never dye !" and it was talking about washing your robes white, with non-chlorine bleach.

The is, of course ..... several OTHER other explanations ....... none of the above are scriptual, or even sane.

16 hours ago, JW Insider said:

At least internally, we should all be bitterly weeping at such things.

Amen to that.

... but NOBODY at Warwick is !

NOBODY !

Ok, OK, OK.

We all know what really happened .... and the arrogant cluelessness was covered up with despicable duplicity, resulting in hundreds of thousands of Brothers and Sisters, and possibly over time,  MILLIONS of Brothers and Sisters, literally DRIVEN from the Truth and away from Jehovah God. (At least those with sensitive, educated consciences....), by the actions of the Governing Body and their "Helpers".

I either personally remember it from my own experiences,  or over time personally watched it happen.

Then there was the 9-1/2 years that the WTB&TS was formally associated with the United Nations, that ended with the scandal when it came out in the U.K. Guardian newspaper , causing several more tens of thousands of Brothers and Sisters with educated consciences to be driven away.

And currently there is the global pedophile problem and cover up, which in my opinion, the denial and coverup is worse than the comparative magnitude of the problem.   Added to this is the blatant perversion of Justice in the Nations' court systems by the Society's Lawyers and Legal Staff.when Plaintiffs seek what limited Justice can be had,

At "my" legally confiscated local WTB&TS Profit Center, known locally as the Kingdom Hall, "we" have a bullet resistant glass front door that has to be kept locked with three Brothers sitting in chairs in the foyer as presumably unarmed  security guards (ammo catchers, if there ever is a crisis ...). If my wife needs to go to the car to get her reading glasses, which she did this week, she has to pass through security, and have the door unlocked for her (or anybody).

Where does it all end?

Why should I risk a heat stroke to try and battle through all that is going on to get converts one at a time, when the Governing body is driving them away by the thousands,  faster than they can be attracted.

My wife and her mother left the Catholic Church forever, because of the church's evil duplicity

What's next ... finding proof that the Governing Body has siphoned off billions of dollars of contributions to line insider cronies' personal pockets?

Where does it all end?

32 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Ooh. I just read Sreck’s prior response, which humanizes him. Alright, I’ll take back some of the )s, about 20 ot them.

In order to show works befitting repentance, you must take a small regional airline flight from Rochester, to Warwick, NY, stare at the bulkhead between pilots and crew, hang a piece of yarn from you lips, and repeat 2,500 times "You can call me Admiral True Tom".