Even the U.S. Battleship "Missouri" has a name, and even an affectionate nickname "The Mighty Mo", but is referred to as a "she".

She sat in Tokyo Bay in 1945 and accepted the surrender of the Japanese Empire.

The above single sentence is so complex, yet in common usage as stated, that it disproves your last post in every way possible.

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

... At the end of the day, the Holy Spirit can be and or refered to in respects to Greek gender forms, called a HE, SHE and or IT, nowhere is it proven, in biblical scripture, that this one Spirit is a person/Being or a God (clearly isn't having a throne or being ....

I visualize what I read as I read ... and I thought that was a killer point .... Jehovah sits on the Throne ... with Jesus at his right hand, and IF the Holy Spirit was a person, apparently "he" did NOT get a chair.

With no name and no chair to sit on, "he " would not be a very FRIENDLY Holy Spirit, so I would have to rescind my initial thought that his name might be Casper (The Friendly Spirit), of yesteryear's comic book fame.

 The dynamic is QUITE clear in Revelation 1:1 in eleven or so words EXACTLY which personalities are in control, in heaven, and it is Jehovah as the one who knows, Jesus who is temporarily ignorant of His revelation relayed to the Apostle John,  until instructed by Jehovah God.

The un-named angel that was sent from Jesus as a subordinate taking executive direction .... just as Jesus was a subordinate to Jehovah God.

Casper, Fred, Marvin, and Bertha-Ann are not mentioned.

New International Version
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

New Living Translation
This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,

English Standard Version
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Berean Study Bible
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

Berean Literal Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants what things it behooves to take place in quickness. And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant, John,

New American Standard Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

King James Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Christian Standard Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Contemporary English Version
This is what God showed to Jesus Christ, so that he could tell his servants what must happen soon. Christ then sent his angel with the message to his servant John.

Good News Translation
This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave Him to show His slaves what must quickly take place. He sent it and signified it through His angel to His slave John,

International Standard Version
This is the revelation of Jesus the Messiah, which God gave him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He made it known by sending his messenger to his servant John,

NET Bible
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen very soon. He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John,

New Heart English Bible
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The Revelation of Yeshua The Messiah, which God gave to him, to show his Servants what had been given to soon occur, and he symbolized it when he sent by his Angel to his Servant Yohannan,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He sent this revelation through his angel to his servant John.

New American Standard 1977
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Jubilee Bible 2000
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his slaves things which are convenient to do quickly, and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his slave John,

King James 2000 Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and revealed it by his angel unto his servant John:

American King James Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:

American Standard Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

Douay-Rheims Bible
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,

Darby Bible Translation
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to shew to his bondmen what must shortly take place; and he signified [it], sending by his angel, to his bondman John,

English Revised Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

Webster's Bible Translation
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John:

Weymouth New Testament
The revelation given by Jesus Christ, which God granted Him, that He might make known to His servants certain events which must shortly come to pass: and He sent His angel and communicated it to His servant John.

World English Bible
This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John,

Young's Literal Translation
A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

THAT IS SORT OF LIKE CREATING EXTENSIVE RULES, AND WARNINGS THAT MURDERERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ... I MEAN REALLY! .. NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO SCHOOLS AND RESTAURANTS AND SHOOT THE PEOPLE THERE.

THEY LOOK AT THE LIST OF RULES... LOOK AT THE SIGNS ... LOOK AT THE RULES ... AND ALMOST DON'T GO INSIDE AND START KILLING PEOPLE ...

BECAUSE THEY ARE LAUGHING SO HARD, THEY WONDER IF THEIR AIM WILL BE AFFECTED.

On 5/19/2018 at 3:11 PM, JW Insider said:

The brothers tried to convince the Russian court that they were not directly dependent on rules emanating from the United States, but this was actually seen to be a false claim and the court didn't accept it.

It is both terminally sad, and actually funny, to see the Society's Lawyers speaking as one ... trying to explain that the obvious Elephant they are trying to hide under the beach towel is not really there.

Who knew that the Russians were AT LEAST as smart as the average amoeba?

 I mean .... who knew?

Kim:

I hope that Putin and the Russian Federation Politburo read your analysis, and in walking down the hallways of the Kremlin. pause ..... face-palm their foreheads ... and come to an epiphany and realize "How could I have been so WRONG?"

80 million letters from the Brotherhood worldwide had absolutely no effect whatsoever, except to transfer about 56 MILLION DOLLARS from the hard-working Brothers and Sisters to the Russian Government's as 70% of the postage affixed, through the Universal Postal Unions terminal duty agreements with other postal systems worldwide ... and that the eleven or more railroad boxcars of undelivered mail probably became "fuel at the proper time" during the winter months in their wood burning home pot-belly stoves.

They say crime does not pay ... but in this case, it did.

$56,000,000 dollars worth.

And that was just the first installment !

I had the same problem with my HAL 9000 computer ....

I am pretty sure this could never actually happen ... I mean, her being successful at it ... The Russians hacked the password of the Democratic National Committee, as their chief Honcho's password was in fact "password" ... and she claims to have forgotten the passwords, on several of her unsecured smart phones, and had them destroyed with a hammer before the FBI MIGHT have looked at them for evidence of breaches of National Security (DUH!), and as far as collecting DNA .... she can't even get any from Bill, anymore.

His last words on the matter were "Heh, heh, I guess when you are in prison, I will be free to date, Huh? Heh, heh ..."

After having spent twenty five and more years discussing things like this with people who have strong ideas about such things ... but like myself, NOT HAVING THE SLIGHTEST CLUE, I have given up even caring about such things.

Things ARE WHAT THEY ARE .... and,

THEY ARE NOT WHAT THEY ARE NOT

... and a million word exposition  by the clueless ... myself included ... will not change that.

Do the best you can ... chill out ... have a beer ...  relax ... take more naps.  Pay more attention to your children while you still can.

Most "pangs of distress", I have found ... are self inflicted.

About the OTHER "pangs of distress" ... soon ... perhaps too soon ... we will all know.

I will probably be worse if you built your home on the side of an active volcano, or you live close to Yellowstone Park.

The cool thing about "bent light astronomy", or "gravitational lensing", is once you learn how, sometimes it is possible to see galaxies hidden behind foreground galaxies .... and get multiple snapshots in different epochs by calculating the difference in the timing of light ray paths.

As the August 2018 Watchtower on page 3 points out a profound general principle that cuts on BOTH sides of the sword ... NOT JUST THE SOCIETY'S SIDE ....

"When anyone replies to a matter before he hears the facts, it is foolish and humiliating"  -  Proverbs 18:13

This assumes that the "hearer of facts" has the slightest bit of common sense, which may or may not be the case.

 

9 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I'm referring to the one that Knorr "predicted" about the League of Nations rising again as the United Nations. This one was not originally from the Watchtower, but from Christendom, but still the Watchtower should get credit for choosing to repeat it. ?

Knoor's Law: "No matter what happens ... SOMEBODY predicted it."

As far as TRUE predictions ...... it just was not .... us.

We do know, however, from GB member Stephen Lett, that (paraphrased) " ... there is more evidence of God's Kingdom on Earth now, than there is for gravity, and electricity."

... but for the life of me, I find it impossible to wrap my mind around that statement.

If Ah had stated that ... Ah could legitimately be involuntarily committed to a mental institution, and wear size 400 sleeves that tie in the back.

WHY would Jehovah's Witnesses reject Government  calls for Independent Inquiry into sexual abuse?

I do not have the strength and agility to catch a horse on the highway .... but I have in the past risked my life and car to save a road Turtle. 

The only real constant in the Universe is continual change, but many people CANNOT adapt.

This comes under the Biblical catagory of James 1:27

James 1:27 New International Version (NIV)

²⁷ Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

It all boils down to this simple single sentence.

I really enjoy all of AllenSmith's comments ... seriously.

He has a perspective on life that is truly astonishing, and entertaining !

Scary, in a "Roseanne Roseannadanna" kind of way .... but astonishing and entertaining !

 

You know... I am just sitting here .... minding my own business ... when on my 3rd monitor I see some guy in  three piece suit run by, and with his hair on fire, crying "heretic! Heretic! HERETIC!" !!

Jack:

First of all, there has to be a distinction between what is generally recognized as be absolutely true, and things that require work and research to even validate the premise of somebody saying something is true or not.

If I said the minor planet Ceres is in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, that is easy enough to verify .... all the terms are pre-defined, and have only ONE definition.

He has supplied no references to back up his assertions to be able to verify that even the premises of his statements are valid.

The Revelutionary War in America was not a one-year affair, and those killed included combatants, those killed trough starvation and hardship, and exposure to the elements, as well as those killed "off to the side" by partisan civilian vigilantes on both sides. Also, many were killed by knives, swords, cannon, arrows and tomahawks, arson, and even a few by poison.

I seriously doubt that the 38,658 people killed by guns is anywhere close to accurate, unless you include true statistics from Democratic Party strongholds, like Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore, where you can have 30 people shot to death on a July 4th Weekend.

Even so, who is killing who?

If people defending their lives kill 38,658 evil assailants ... I would call that a blessing to Civilization. 

No harm ... no foul.

The problem is everything he stated, the terms are undefined, so the conclusions he reached, and the statements he made although they MAY BE reality based, the probability is extremely low, and by a person who thinks rationally ... CAN BE COMPLETELY DISREGARDED.

The framers of the Constitution, in their truly exceptional wisdom ... constituted the Government to protect NATURAL rights that all living things are NATURALLY imbued wit, and will have ... if they fight to keep practicing them.

ALL living things have the right to defend themselves and TRY to live, even mosquitoes, and sharks ... IF ... if... they can manage it.

The First Amendment protects the NATURAL right of Freedom of Speech, whether you use  your voice, writing, sign language or even peaceful action through political protests.

The Second Amendment protects a person's NATURAL right of self defense, and even Eagles and Rabbits have a NATURAL right of self defense. Whether or not they can assert those natural rights depends on their skill and talent, and motivation .... and pure dumb luck.

...and to use any tools necessary to make up for a lack of talons and natural body armor

The Founders did not fight a bloody civil war against their English Sovereign, risking and losing their lives, fortunes, and yet keeping their sacred honor, and fresh from that fight constitute that the New Government established that "The right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed" .... to protect citizens from rabbits.

Therefore, without a lengthy and protracted discussion about his definitions, frame of reference, actual basis for the numbers he throws out ... completely disregarding that he is COMPLETELY screwed up by comparing a time frame of the Revolutionary war, with it's population, to one year, 2017, with its population, and a fifty year period with it's population.

That is like comparing apples, Volkswagens, and giraffes.

His numbers are COMPLETELY and totally useless except to Snowflakes who suffer from advanced stages of Clintonitus, and TDS, which we see by actual examples in large scale social experiments in Chicago, Baltimore, and Detroit, is rotting away the very fabric of Civilization.

It's not what a person knows to be true. ... it's what a person know to be true, that is COMPLETELY WRONG.

The same way that the Scriptures  are quite clear about motorcycle maintenance ...

Look at the results of this bogus philosophy and fantasy of the Trinity and component parts as explained by Christendom -at-large.

During World War I two great armies met on the battlefields between France and Germany, and in a battle that lasted a full year, making this area look more cratered than the surface of the Moon, more that a million men  were killed in mortal combat, and over 4 million wounded.  Men's bodies and blood were mixed into the soil by artillery day after day after day.

Almost all of the combatants ON BOTH SIDES .... were Trinitarians who believe as you do, Cos.

Brethren murdering brethren .... because of the FRUITS of their bogus Theology.

Does not the Scriptures clearly teach "You will know my people, for they have love for one another ..."?

Christendom's belief system FAILED that essential test, always has, and always will ... and they even have Chaplains in the Military to bless and support this carnage, and those who perpetrate it.

Jehovah does NOT.

He has withdrawn his active force blessing them, about 1700 years ago, when the Theology you espouse was adopted from pagandom.

The "FORCE" is not with you, Luke.

 and like a motorcycle tire ... THAT'S where "the rubber meets the road!"

I had a conversation with an Elder sometime in the summer of 2016 about this explosion of technology that the Brotherhood had adopted, from the bottom up ... and I asked him "Do you remember when computer competency, and having an Internet connection was frowned upon, and considered evil?

He paused ... looked down ... raised his eyebrows and  let out a long sigh ... and said "Yeah ....".

What could two self made, high energy multi-billionaires POSSIBLY have in common?

Just remember this basic rule ..... there is NO ONE "cooler" than Clint Eastwood, and everyone more handsome than me is gay.

FINALLY!

...someone has solved THAT problem plaguing humanity!

The county next to mine is a war zone compared to the county I live in.

The Sheriff here actively promotes ALL  "good guys" being armed at all times ... and many times when I eat at Golden Corral with my wife, Susan, there will be one or two citizens carrying firearms on the hip openly ... for no apparent reason. 

One does not need a reason.

Its a basic human right that is guaranteed by many political entities... but those entities do that confer that right.

You are born with the right to defend yourself.

It is as much a natural right as breathing, drinking water, eating, and all the others ...IF you can manage and enforce it yourself

The Nations, States, Localities, tribes and groups may restrict these rights because under color of law .... they CAN enforce it with superior force.

In Nicaragua the government has superior firepower. That's what a Nations, ANY nations, Armed Forces do ... enforce political policy ... and if you don't comply with that policy, THEY WILL KILL YOU, AND BREAK YOUR "STUFF". that is the job description for ALL political Armed Forces, whether they be good...bad... or ugly.

When citizens are afraid of their government ... there is always tyranny.

When the government is afraid of their citizens ... there is always freedom.

The Sheriff where I live understands that, and runs for reelection on that platform.

The Sheriff of the next county adjacent to mine does not .... and they have a very high murder rate, and an over abundance of crime.

A lesson for all people to never forget.

The price of Freedom ... is eternal vigilance ... and good men to have superior firepower.

.... to be COMPETENT when the occasion arises .... and it does ... individually and personally FORCE bad guys to behave themselves.

The only thing necessary for evil to win ... is good men to do nothing.

Those Flotation Cushions/Life Preservers they have under the seat will not bounce you out of a farmer's field.

The most powerful weapon known to the mind of man, when sufficiently loaded ........  is a Checkbook.