James Thomas Rook Jr.

AllenSmith:

Every thing you have ever said, and the syntax you used to say it, and your entire distorted perspective on life, and the way you think, and perceive what Justice is,  makes me give great credence to the supposition that you are one of the WTB&TS's Lawyers.

I have asked you before if you were a Lawyer working for the "Company", and you got uppity, as if it was an insult, and refused to answer.  

Considering the consequences of lying are so great, I would be heavily inclined to believe you at face value if you answered NO .... but the fact that you REFUSED to answer such a simple and straight forward question spoke volumes to me, about a LOT of things.

I ask you once again .... are you a Lawyer working for or representing the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, or any of its corporate manifestations.

A simple YES, or NO will be taken by me at face value.

Sometimes, when Tractor Trailers become self aware, they congregate spontaneously under highway overpasses for a mating ritual.

It is the same with clams ... one of the most intelligent forms of life in the Universe for their size .... but it is hard to tell, when you have no face, arms or legs.

You are wrong, AllenSmith ... the WTB&TS has numerous times in court cases claimed Penitent/Clergy privilege, in California., and when it is to their perceived advantage, both claim they ARE "ministers", and claim they a NOT ministers,

They have also thrown Ministerial Servants "under the bus" by saying they have no position in the Congregation ... they are just someone who cleans up and empties the trash..

With my sense of humor, I find it funny to see combatants in "theocratic warfare" try to gain the legal advantage by shooting themselves in first one foot, then the other ... and hope the Judges and Juries will not notice.

The sad and despicable pathos  is so pervasive,  to survive with sanity, a good sense of humor is needed.

Have a nice day!

On my left shoulder is a scar from the Smallpox Vaccination I received as a young boy .... a vaccine that is not available any more, under the working theory that Smallpox has been eradicated from the Earth.

In 1974, before I went to work in the Congo, I had to get vaccinations for typhus, typhoid, and the black plague, which had to be special ordered from the CDC, in Atlanta, Georgia.

 Inasmuch as the only Smallpox that exists anymore ( ???) is weaponized virus possessed by Nation States, and what is is the graves of those who died of Smallpox, many years ago ... I would like to get my three adult children vaccinated, to have the same protection that I have ... but it is as I understand it, not possible.

Somewhere out there is a little grey mouse named Pinky, asking another little grey mouse named Brain what they are going to do tonight ....

 

20 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

ONCE AGAIN, LEAVE THE LAWYERING TO “REAL” LAWYERS!!!

Now you can down-vote me ROOK!

I very seldom down-vote anyone Allensmith ... your arguments fall apart without any help at all.

Specifically, "clergy / penitent" laws are made for ONE penitent and ONE confessor .... and if the Priest or Elder or other person tells ONE OTHER PERSON, that confidence, protected by law, is no longer protected by law.

With a Catholic Priest, that is ONE PERSON.

With a JW Judicial Committee, that starts out with THREE persons, and expands to include Circuit Overseers,  Branch Office personnel of every description, and reports are made in writing to insure that Central Control is maintained down at the congregation level.

In actual practice there are no "extenuating circumstances" ... only the application of WT codified policy.

It is then that JW.ORG ...... becomes JW.BORG.

Resistance is futile, we have been assimilated.

Over the years, I have noticed a reoccurring pattern among human communications with each other.

The more words they use... the less likely they are to be valid, pertinent, or true..

This is not always true ... but that is what a thinking person should look out for, 'lest he also be hypnotized by many words, in soothing dulcet tones, as well as the more obvious animated rants.

...AND, it makes you faster!

Sometimes, after drinking six or seven cups of coffee, I read the highway signs so fast I miss the Freeway exit ramp.

On 4/21/2018 at 8:36 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

On April 5, 2018, Judge James Manley of Sanders County, Montana ordered the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization to produce documents and testimony related to internal reports and investigations into the childhood sexual abuse of NPR’s two clients.

5 hours ago, Witness said:

I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”  Acts 20:35

Perhaps I am just overly tired from working out in the yard all day, but I just do not see the connection between your comment and the law firms reporting.

Could you please explain how the two are supplemental to each other?

Thank you.

I do read my Bible, but I use common sense in doing so. 

  The KJV mentions Unicorns 9 times, but does not mention cookie making Keebler Elves, not even once.

Coincidence?

A frog MIGHT avoid bumping his rump, every time he jumps, if he had wings .... but frogs do not have wings ... and neither does your supposition that what is supposed to be a three-in one "Godhead" ... two of them do have personal names, but one does not.

Even each of my five dogs has a personal name... and they know (in English) what their personal names are.

If your argument was sound .... and it is NOT, for so MANY reasons .... my dogs have the advantage.

10 minutes ago, Cos said:

Scripture describes the Holy Spirit as a person, not as an impersonal force ......

So ... what is the Holy Spirit's personal name?

Jehovah God has a name and title .... Jehovah the Almighty God.

Jesus has a name and title ... Jesus the Christ

Holy Spirit is a title.

What is the Holy Spirit's personal name?

Casper?

Justice you can only get from God .... and justice can mean complete exoneration of charges and specifications ... or chastising unto death.

...or anything in the middle.

From any well-meaning humans seeking to impose justice, a protocol of professionals that is completely open, transparent, and public lends itself NATURALLY to justice, freedom, and equity.

From any well-meaning humans seeking to impose justice, A protocol of amateur justice  "wannabes" that is completely secret, and even speaking about it publicly can lead to punishment,  lends itself NATURALLY to injustice, tyranny and unfairness.

Everyone knows in any horse race, ONE horse will win ... but WHICH one ... makes all the difference.

(New news ....)  A MONTANA Judge Orders Jehovah’s Witnesses to Turn Over Internal Documents Related to Childhood Sexual Abuse

April 12, 2018

On April 5, 2018, Judge James Manley of Sanders County, Montana ordered the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization to produce documents and testimony related to internal reports and investigations into the childhood sexual abuse of NPR’s two clients.

In this case, the two Plaintiffs were sexually abused as children by a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Elders in the local Jehovah’s Witness congregation in Thompson Falls, Montana were aware of the abuse and failed to report it to the police, choosing instead to handle the reports and investigations internally pursuant to Jehovah’s Witness guidelines. Their decision not to report the abuse to authorities allowed the perpetrator to remain in the congregation and continue to abuse one of the Plaintiffs.

Throughout this case, and similar childhood sexual abuse cases across the country, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law. The Court agreed that Defendants could not blanket everything related to their investigations in secrecy and that they must turn it over to the Plaintiffs. Often, this is the very evidence that can win or lose a case like this against a religious institution.

The case of Nunez, et al. v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, et al.  is set to go to trial in September of 2018.

The plaintiffs in this case are represented by NPR partner D. Neil Smith and associate Ross E. Leonoudakis.

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A Jury of 12 held in public view ... or a tribunal of three held in complete secrecy.

Which would YOU choose,  to get Justice?

When one is deciding on which wife to keep, and which wife to get rid of ... perhaps watching the movie with Richard Burton, and Elizabeth Taylor .... "The Taming of the Shrew" would be in order .......... jus' sayin ....

It works the same way for computers when they are moved ..... bump 'em at your own peril.

... looks like a terrific setup for the two brothers to pull some some hilarious practical jokes !!

On 12/16/2017 at 7:46 PM, Nicole said:

Seven years ago in Seoul, South Korea, the parents of my wife Jung Sook dressed us in their original wedding clothes and took us to a photo studio for a nice portrait. ‘Courvosier’ the little baby seal was a recent gift from wonderful friends during our visit to Brooklyn Bethel.

I understand that close to Bethel there was a disco bar named "Club Baby Seal", which did not, for some reason, "catch on", and went out of business.

Oh... THE HORROR!

If health is a human right, so is a decent place to live, and clean water, and electricity, and a car, a good paying job, and suitable clothing, and freedom from war, and good wholesome food.

So ....

who is going to pay for all of this?

In the history of the World, every time Socialism has been tried, it has failed miserably ... either through greed and corruption, or just simply running out of OTHER PEOPLES' confiscated money.

Socialism does in fact enforce equality for everyone ...

poverty and destitution is equally distributed to EVERYONE.

... except the administrators.

I would like that ... it is just TOO MUCH WORK to mix the Ketchup and Mayonnaise together on a sandwich !!

When I made the observation, I was ONLY considering the tensile strength of single strand of spider web, and the tensile strength of an equivalent weight of steel strand.

Obviously you cannot use spiderweb material to make a cantilevered load, such as a  swimming pool diving board,  a shelf attached to a wall, or make an equivalent weight steel filing cabinet made from equivalent spider web, or build a steel spring.for a screen door.

My original statement was about STEEL WIRE ... NOT structural steel beams and columns, or plate or sheet steel ... as referenced here:

14 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Agreed .... for how much it weighs, spider web is stronger than steel wire. 

8 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The qualifications in this sentence was "... for how much it weighs .....

I have never tested it myself, but it is my understanding that if a strand of steel wire was as light as a spiders web, it would have to have a much smaller diameter than the web strand, and therefore be weaker.

From the reference Queen Esther supplied:

7 hours ago, Queen Esther said:

Tensile strength is only one critical property. The stiffness of silk, which is its ability to deform elastically when force is applied, is many times less than that of steel. Where spider silk seems to beat steel by a large margin is its density, which is almost six times less. On a per-weight basis then, silk starts to look more interesting, with the ratio of strength to density exceeding that of steel.

To quote the above reference supplied by Queen Esther, which completely agrees with my original observation: "On a per-weight basis then, silk starts to look more interesting, with the ratio of strength to density exceeding that of steel."

I think I will do a Snoopy the Dog "Happy Dance" across the monitor !!

YAY!  I still have 1 out of 4 "being wrongs", still in the "bank".

Hopefully, this will clarify several different perspectives and viewpoints ... tensile strength is how much weight you can hang from a wire, or rope, or spider web strand or other support ..... before it stretches and breaks.

Ever try to push a rope across the floor?

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Agreed .... for how much it weighs, spider web is stronger than steel wire. 

The qualifications in this sentence was "... for how much it weighs .....

I have never tested it myself, but it is my understanding that if a strand of steel wire was as light as a spiders web, it would have to have a much smaller diameter than the web strand, and therefore be weaker.

I suppose if I had about $40,000 ... I could actually test it.

Once in a great while, I am wrong ... I used to tell my children I knew everything but four things ... and they caught me on three of them.

This may be number 4.

Think of it this way .... what if only ONE cow in a hundred thousand is as smart as humans .. is sensitive ... and ponders her own mortality ....  even so, that is a LOT of cows! .... and they still end up as steaks and hamburger.

It's worse for people.