James Thomas Rook Jr.

Billy ..... you are the best I have ever seen at misapplying whatever anyone says.   You take someone's key words and misapply them to  fit your own agenda.
("Something missing from that fantasy of 283 million years of evolution....")
In this case, the word "erosion", which you have mentioned several times, and has NOTHING to do with this conversation.
This is a COMMON problem of ALL agenda driven thinking processes
I said the piece of petrified wood I have is 283 million years old ... NOT that mankind was 283 million years old.
When your ENTIRE thinking processes are controlled, governed, and shaped by AGENDA ... you can ignore a billion and more tons of HARD EVIDENCE.
Agenda driven thinking ALWAYS results in theocratic hallucinations.
Add that to negligible reading comprehension, and you live in a cartoon world, untouched by tawdry or magnificent reality.

Got it all covered!
I don't believe anybody about anything.
Works for me!
 
...... and a LOT less work!
 
 

It may be as a practical matter almost impossible to "catch-up", Billy, but you need to spend a year researching what a bunch of fraudsters and fakers the IPCC is. There have been many documentations of their internal "bad science" ... BECAUSE ... they faked data to fit the fake models.
If you spend now  until about mid-2020 you might... MIGHT ... catch up.
The key words to start with is "IPCC emails".
https://www.foxnews.com/science/fastest-thinning-greenland-glacier-threw-nasa-scientists-for-a-loop-its-actually-growing?cmpid=NL_SciTech

The only way to learn the truth about whether "global warming" is real ... and whether it is a naturally occurring phenomena that mankind can do NOTHING about, or is caused by human interaction with the environment, which may or may not be able to be stopped or reversed, is to YOU PERSONALLY educate yourself with the math, physics, chemistry, meteorology, and ocean sciences, and orbital mechanics, etc.,  ..... to be able to tell the difference between hoax, fraud, fake science, and religious hysteria and hallucination that this issue has become.
And then sit down and draw sketches, accumulate data ... possibly completely wear out a scientific pocket calculator .... or two, and then correlate what you PERSONALLY know with astronomy, and other related sciences ... comparing the physics of other planets' atmospheric meteorology to see if conclusions by others make sense, or have any validity whatsoever.
If you are not willing to YOU PERSONALLY do this ... and take a decade, or 20 years, or the rest of your life ... then your opinions will be based on FAITH .... NOT SCIENCE.
FAITH in the opinions and conclusions of others .... the new global religion of "Man Caused Climate Change".
Faith in the opinions and conclusions of others, where you have not PERSONALLY proved it yourself, is not TRUTH.
Seek ONLY THE TRUTH.  
In science, and in religion, and in all things.
However, although you will fail to get the correct answers ...... intellectual integrity can also be accomplished by not caring, to the point you do not believe anybody, about anything.
... and is a LOT less work.
 
 
 

The only way to learn the truth about whether "global warming" is real ... and whether it is a naturally occurring phenomena that mankind can do NOTHING about, or is caused by human interaction with the environment, which may or may not be able to be stopped or reversed, is to YOU PERSONALLY educate yourself with the math, physics, chemistry, meteorology, and ocean sciences, and orbital mechanics, etc.,  ..... to be able to tell the difference between hoax, fraud, fake science, and religious hysteria and hallucination that this issue has become.
And then sit down and draw sketches, accumulate data ... possibly completely wear out a scientific pocket calculator .... or two, and then correlate what you PERSONALLY know with astronomy, and other related sciences ... comparing the physics of other planets' atmospheric meteorology to see if conclusions by others make sense, or have any validity whatsoever.
If you are not willing to YOU PERSONALLY do this ... and take a decade, or 20 years, or the rest of your life ... then your opinions will be based on FAITH .... NOT SCIENCE.
FAITH in the opinions and conclusions of others .... the new global religion of "Man Caused Climate Change".
Faith in the opinions and conclusions of others, where you have not PERSONALLY proved it yourself, is not TRUTH.
Seek ONLY THE TRUTH.  
In science, and in religion, and in all things.
However, although you will fail to get the correct answers ...... intellectual integrity can also be accomplished by not caring, to the point you do not believe anybody, about anything.
... and is a LOT less work.
 
 
 

The only way to learn the truth about whether "global warming" is real ... and whether it is a naturally occurring phenomena that mankind can do NOTHING about, or is caused by human interaction with the environment, which may or may not be able to be stopped or reversed, is to YOU PERSONALLY educate yourself with the math, physics, chemistry, meteorology, and ocean sciences, and orbital mechanics, etc.,  ..... to be able to tell the difference between hoax, fraud, fake science, and religious hysteria and hallucination that this issue has become.
And then sit down and draw sketches, accumulate data ... possibly completely wear out a scientific pocket calculator .... or two, and then correlate what you PERSONALLY know with astronomy, and other related sciences ... comparing the physics of other planets' atmospheric meteorology to see if conclusions by others make sense, or have any validity whatsoever.
If you are not willing to YOU PERSONALLY do this ... and take a decade, or 20 years, or the rest of your life ... then your opinions will be based on FAITH .... NOT SCIENCE.
FAITH in the opinions and conclusions of others .... the new global religion of "Man Caused Climate Change".
Faith in the opinions and conclusions of others, where you have not PERSONALLY proved it yourself, is not TRUTH.
Seek ONLY THE TRUTH.  
In science, and in religion, and in all things.
However, although you will fail to get the correct answers ...... intellectual integrity can also be accomplished by not caring, to the point you do not believe anybody, about anything.
... and is a LOT less work.
 
 
 

........ also pencil in April 8, 2024, in Vincinnes, Indiana, for the next great American total Solar Eclipse.

I am not arguing that there is not "Global Warming".
There IS!
This is a natural cycle that is determined by orbital mechanics of our Earth, and the various cycles that our VARIABLE STAR,  the Sun naturally goes through.
On this clear gas planet, Earth, with its predominate Nitrogen atmosphere of "one atmosphere" at sea level , It's all about geometry, and the fact that all radiated energy follows the inverse square law.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MANKIND CAN DO TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.
Nothing mankind can do to cause, or accelerate global warming.
...and nothing we can do to slow or stop it.
That's the way Jehovah designed the system.

When all is said and done ... you and Billy ARE my soul brothers, and I would defend you both with my life if necessary. 
We all take turns being wrong about many, many things, with the firm and profound belief that we are right.  It's part of being "big ugly bags of mostly water.
... just add gravel, and Portland Cement.
In the big red "Revelation" book, circa 15 or so years ago, it mentioned as an aside that Sir Isaac Newton may have been one of the Anointed. This sparked me reading two very large biographies on his life, and what impressed me the most was the fact that he never published anything without rigorous proof.
Rigorous proof means that the facts you use are checkable, and do not contradict known chemistry, physics, and science that makes the REAL world what it is.
If it cannot be expressed with HARD NUMBERS, and to "how many decimal places" ... it is NOT science .... it is ONLY opinion.
The things wars are fought over.
ALL agenda driven thinking, without exception always has been, , is now, and will always be faulty.

When all is said and done ... you and Billy ARE my soul brothers, and I would defend you both with my life if necessary. 
We all take turns being wrong about many, many things, with the firm and profound belief that we are right.  It's part of being "big ugly bags of mostly water.
... just add gravel, and Portland Cement.
In the big red "Revelation" book, circa 15 or so years ago, it mentioned as an aside that Sir Isaac Newton may have been one of the Anointed. This sparked me reading two very large biographies on his life, and what impressed me the most was the fact that he never published anything without rigorous proof.
Rigorous proof means that the facts you use are checkable, and do not contradict known chemistry, physics, and science that makes the REAL world what it is.
If it cannot be expressed with HARD NUMBERS, and to "how many decimal places" ... it is NOT science .... it is ONLY opinion.
The things wars are fought over.
ALL agenda driven thinking, without exception always has been, , is now, and will always be faulty.

Hey, you old blockhead @James Thomas Rook Jr., you with a mind of concrete:
"All mixed up and firmly set."

The reason I am not "sympathetic" to you Billy, is that if you found someone who knew EVERYTHING about any particular subject ... and you knew NOTHING about that same subject ... you would debate him.
Sometimes ... you just need to sit down, shut up ... and listen.

The reason I am not "sympathetic" to you Billy, is that if you found someone who knew EVERYTHING about any particular subject ... and you knew NOTHING about that same subject ... you would debate him.
Sometimes ... you just need to sit down, shut up ... and listen.

JW USA: A Witness responds to Lloyd Evans about JW and global climate change .....
It's not what Evans sez: It's what DILBERT sez:

You live and learn ...... or you don't live long.
Don't let the sound of your own wheels ... make you crazy.
 

"The best sign of truth is simplicity and clarity, the lie is always intricate, tawdry and eloquent." - Tolstoy
"The lie does not kill with the mallet, but it runs through blood vessels like poison, slowly and cautiously, so it does not even notice how it works" - Ivan Cankar

Billy:
I agree with all you said above ... BUT...
We should all be united in what is true, what is honorable, what is fair, what is equitable, what is righteous, what is good, and what is wholesome.
BEING UNITED just to have peace involves a THOUSAND compromises ... and is a slippery slope that slides to error,  intellectually dishonesty, self delusion, theocratic hallucinations, the abandonment of JUSTICE, and dishonors both ourselves ... which intellectual integrity is where someone always has to start ... AND the Brotherhood ... and most importantly, Jehovah God.
It all starts  ... here on the dirt, where the rubber meets the road ... is  the determination, without compromise ... to achieve intellectual integrity .
FIRST
You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
OTHERWISE ... we may be the finest "Brother Watchtower"  that walks the Earth ... but we will be intellectually dishonest ... like a plague, that takes a 30 year incubation period for the consequences to show up.
You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
 
 

ONLY if YOU PERSONALLY have intellectual integrity ... will you follow the TRUTH  ... wherever it leads.
No human on Earth that lives, or has ever lived, is exempt from this.
OTHERWISE ... you are subject to theological hallucinations ...
And everything you see, think, and do will be duplicitous ... and as you stated above ...
The fact that looking straight at it .... AT IT ... you declare you do not know .... perfectly illustrates my point.

Each one has to obey the dictates of his own individual conscience ....  that is what makes us,  US ... and not merely, only, and very, very sadly ..... just  animals.
NOTHING MORE
 

ONLY if YOU PERSONALLY have intellectual integrity ... will you follow the TRUTH  ... wherever it leads.
No human on Earth that lives, or has ever lived, is exempt from this.
OTHERWISE ... you are subject to theological hallucinations ...
And everything you see, think, and do will be duplicitous ... and as you stated above ...
The fact that looking straight at it .... AT IT ... you declare you do not know .... perfectly illustrates my point.

They do believe in the anointed. They believe every single person is anointed because they all believe they will go to heaven...

Who told you this? But one thing doesn't seem believable, and that is actually replacing a jw.org flag. I cannot imagine there was a jw.org flag in the window. In fact why would the Chilean brothers have a flag, its usually just a plaque outside the KH. 

You know, it’s all very well that this fellow wins the $1.4 billion Templeton Prize and I don’t. “He’ll be throwing his worthless gold in the street, someday,” I chuckle gleefully. Oh yeah, I am having a wonderful time here.
https://news.yahoo.com/physicist-marcelo-gleiser-science-does-not-kill-god-090100672.html
There’s nothing here that I haven’t said. There’s nothing here that tens of thousands of people haven’t said. “Hee hee, hee,” I mock this poor fellow. “Just wait till he gets his tax bill. nyuk nyuk nyuk.”
“Atheism is inconsistent with the scientific method," he told them. “Atheism is a belief in non-belief. So you categorically deny something you have no evidence against."
Everybody who has any sense says that and nobody pays them $1.4 billion.
“I'll keep an open mind because I understand that human knowledge is limited," he added. There’s money in them thar open minds.
I mean, he didn’t actually do any work. He just gussied up common sense a little and held out his hand for the payoff.
“The author of five English-language books and hundreds of blog and press articles in the US and Brazil, Gleiser has also explored in depth how science and religion both try to respond to questions on the origins of life and the universe,” the article says. 
Actually, I’ve just written four, not five books, and my blog posts are on many things, not just...oh...wait....the article’s not talking about me. It’s talking about someone with a cool 1.4 billion. I wouldn’t take it if you got down on your knees and begged me.
“This fundamental curiosity unites science and religion, though each provides very different answers: science has a methodology, where hypotheses are eliminated.
"Science can give answers to certain questions, up to a point," Gleiser pointed out.
"This has been known for a very long time in philosophy, it's called the problem of the first cause: we get stuck," the physicist, a father of five.”
Maybe that’s where I went wrong. I didn’t have five kids. I should have had more.
"We should have the humility to accept that there's mystery around us,” he says. “He accuses the "new atheists" of doing a disservice to science by making an enemy out of religion: notably British scientist Richard Dawkins.” 
Uh, yeah. Haven’t I said the same thing, like, forever?
“It's extremely arrogant from scientists to come down from the ivory towers and make these declarations without understanding the social importance of belief systems.....When you hear very famous scientists making pronouncements like ... cosmology has explained the origin of the universe and the whole, and we don't need God anymore. That's complete nonsense," he added. “Because we have not explained the origin of the universe at all."
Ha ha ha! Wait till he is flooded by “friends” who want a piece of his prize, ‘earned’ by pointing out what any donkey of a believer could have pointed out. Then he’ll be sorry. Then he’ll wish that I had been awarded that prize, and not he.
But it will be too late. He’s stuck with it. Ho Ho Ho. I’ll send him my address just to mess with his mind a little, but I won’t accept his prize, no matter how much he pleads.
Sheesh! 1.4 billion. It’s all in who you know.
Now, hand me that hammer so I can tap the starter on my car, the way you have to do to get it running. “Go get em, Tiger,” I tell myself. They’re running a ‘Buy One Get One’ at WalMart today.

Each one has to obey the dictates of his own individual conscience ....  that is what makes us,  US ... and not merely, only, and very, very sadly ..... just  animals.
NOTHING MORE
 

Billy:
I agree with all you said above ... BUT...
We should all be united in what is true, what is honorable, what is fair, what is equitable, what is righteous, what is good, and what is wholesome.
BEING UNITED just to have peace involves a THOUSAND compromises ... and is a slippery slope that slides to error,  intellectually dishonesty, self delusion, theocratic hallucinations, the abandonment of JUSTICE, and dishonors both ourselves ... which intellectual integrity is where someone always has to start ... AND the Brotherhood ... and most importantly, Jehovah God.
It all starts  ... here on the dirt, where the rubber meets the road ... is  the determination, without compromise ... to achieve intellectual integrity .
FIRST
You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
OTHERWISE ... we may be the finest "Brother Watchtower"  that walks the Earth ... but we will be intellectually dishonest ... like a plague, that takes a 30 year incubation period for the consequences to show up.
You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.