James Thomas Rook Jr.

So was that it? The "WILL" became a "MAY"?

Sorry AS34/GR I didn’t mean to log in at the same time as you. My bad. I keep forgetting who’s who. I’m you, you are me. He is she, it is they, and they are them. As wrong as JWinsider is, he has a good imagination for conspiracies. LOL! People like Anna love it. Can you say secret lovers?
I couldn’t agree more. Perhaps it’s because you have about 4-5 people that make the environment here impossible to attach a righteous command by Christ of loving one another and holding the body of Christ in unity. There is no one else to blame. But we also need to keep in mind, there are plenty of opposers contributing to these contentious topics, and honest witnesses are not willing to defend their faith adequately. Therefore, who is worse and how does this affect the personal lives of those referring to themselves as True Christians. There seems to be an disconnect with the truth.

You misconstrue EVERYTHING.
I cannot help you.
You misconstrue EVERYTHING.
I cannot help you.

Yeah ... why dwell on such things ... Like Adolph Hitler is reported to have said when Allied Forces were battling , forcing their way into Germany from both sides, destroying their cities while destroying their armies .... "Those Allies have ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF HUMOR!"
We should look at 1925 and 1975 as funny ... like Grandmother's continuous flatulating at the Kitchen Table.

Just as the "Ministry of Truth" did in the book "1984" by George Orwell, the Society is revising History, wherever they can, to change graphic images ( posters, handbills, and other things that might be used in a current illustration) to read "Millions now living MAY never die." (emphasis mine).
The book "1984 was SUPPOSED to be a fictional dire warning of how societies evolve into a perpetual tyranny over time, and showing how it could happen.
We us it as a policy manual.
In "1984"  England  had evolved into INGSOC, and the way they maintained total social control was by changing the past by changing all historical references .... and by controlling the past, controlled the present, and controlled the future .... making it difficult or impossible to check the past for truthful references to ANYTHING.
The Society today is actively using this technique to change the past. In many cases the bound volumes of the Watchtowers and Awakes have been revised and do not show what was in the original magazines, and convention videos today mentioning our history make you wonder if they are talking about something that happened somewhere in a parallel Universe.
The "Millions now living may never die" is only THE classic example of rewriting the past, to control the present, and by controlling the present, control the future.
Here are two videos that explain "1984".
Watch them and weep.
 
 

The Dystopian World of 1984 Explained.mp4 George Orwell's 1984, Part 2_ Crash Course Literature #402 (1).mp4  
NOW ... find the movie "1984", and watch it. It has a superstar of yesteryear in it ... but you hardly notice.
 
 
 

Actually, I use 18 size fonts because that's the size text I think in.  
Also, you may have noticed that my text is black, not dark grey, because, I think in ink.

Just as the "Ministry of Truth" did in the book "1984" by George Orwell, the Society is revising History, wherever they can, to change graphic images ( posters, handbills, and other things that might be used in a current illustration) to read "Millions now living MAY never die." (emphasis mine).
The book "1984 was SUPPOSED to be a fictional dire warning of how societies evolve into a perpetual tyranny over time, and showing how it could happen.
We us it as a policy manual.
In "1984"  England  had evolved into INGSOC, and the way they maintained total social control was by changing the past by changing all historical references .... and by controlling the past, controlled the present, and controlled the future .... making it difficult or impossible to check the past for truthful references to ANYTHING.
The Society today is actively using this technique to change the past. In many cases the bound volumes of the Watchtowers and Awakes have been revised and do not show what was in the original magazines, and convention videos today mentioning our history make you wonder if they are talking about something that happened somewhere in a parallel Universe.
The "Millions now living may never die" is only THE classic example of rewriting the past, to control the present, and by controlling the present, control the future.
Here are two videos that explain "1984".
Watch them and weep.
 
 

The Dystopian World of 1984 Explained.mp4 George Orwell's 1984, Part 2_ Crash Course Literature #402 (1).mp4  
NOW ... find the movie "1984", and watch it. It has a superstar of yesteryear in it ... but you hardly notice.
 
 
 

Sounds like a waste of time. But I'm retired, so I'll tell you what I would come up with:
..."millions now living will never die."... This was a risky prophecy to make. But the risk probably didn't seem too high at the time since, after the failure of 1914, Rutherford said that people had more on which to base their faith in this prophecy than Noah had on which to base his faith in Jehovah telling him there would be a Flood. He said that there was more Bible evidence for 1925 than there was for 1914. But it turned out to be a false prophecy. So it turned out to be a "lie" in the Biblical sense, but it might not have been intentional if the human sources of this false prophecy believed it, and those who repeated it had faith in that human source. "'The Finished Mystery,' the posthumous work of Pastor Russell" . . . This book quoted many times from Russell, but was definitely not the posthumous work of Pastor Russell. (For that matter, the title of the book was a lie, because it promoted itself as the final explanation of the mysteries of Ezekiel and Revelation, yet almost every explanation of the "mystery" in it is now considered to be false.) The Watch Tower publications explained why they called it the "posthumous" work of Pastor Russell in a very odd way. It was because, as a spirit creature who had just died, Russell was supposedly still alive in the spirit world (heaven) in 1917: "Though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work." according to "The Finished Mystery" page 144. It was clearly believed that Russell could still continue to influence the Watch Tower Society's publications in a way analogous to how Jehovah influenced the Bible writers. "Since 1881 everybody ridiculed Pastor Russell . . ." Not everybody. Some believed him. Most people in the world had still never heard of him. According to current WT publications, many created a "cult" around him. Rhetorical hyperbole, not necessarily a "lie." "Since 1881. . . the International Bible Students Association" . . . The International Bible Students Association [IBSA] did not exist until 1914 when it was incorporated in London. Before then Bible Students used the simple name "Bible Students" or "Associated Bible Students." Some refused a name, and some even called themselves Russellites and names related to Millennial Dawn, etc. This is not a "lie," just a potentially misleading ambiguity. "Since 1881. . . Pastor Russell's [and IBSA's] message that the Bible prophesied a world war in 1914." The Bible never prophesied a single world war between multiple nations, but this could be a matter of interpretation. The Bible never prophesied anything whatsoever to do with the year 1914. In 1881, and for the next 20-some years, Russell and the IBSA promised that 1914 would be the year when the expected worldwide trouble would end, not begin. All human systems would collapse in 1914, governments, institutions, religions. There would be chaos for several months, but there would be no earthly governments remaining who would be capable of prosecuting such a war. The 7/15/1894 Watch Tower, p.226 said: "But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." "but the war came on time." Very misleading. By the time late 1913 had rolled around, Russell pretty much gave up hope and faith in this 1914 date and moved it to 1915. For a few months even into 1914, Russell even gave up altogether and talked about there being no chance of all that was expected actually happening on time, and he conceded that they must have been wrong, and talked about the prospect that 100 years from now [2014], people might wonder what all this talk had been about. As it was, in about 1904 they had moved the expectation of the great time of trouble to 1914 (sometimes 1915) and began holding to the idea that this time of trouble might happen around October 1st or 2nd 1914. A world war broke out in July and gave them hope that this might be the beginnings of a worldwide collapse of all nations, governments, religions and other human institutions, where the only government with continued authority would be that of literal Israel in Palestine, and God would take a spiritual Israel to rule from heaven in 1914. It turned out, instead, to be a world war between several nations, and many more nations existed after the war, than were numbered before the war -- the opposite of the expectation of all nations disintegrating. Also Israel didn't get back on the map until decades later, and Israel never did become the only remaining human government on earth. Nothing predicted about 1914 ever came true. The most important things proved to be quite the opposite. "and now the message of his final work" . . . Again with the false attribution to Russell who did not work on this book. It was written by George Fisher and Clayton Woodworth along with the claim that Russell had communicated from beyond the veil as a spirit creature to write it posthumously (after he died). "It is an absolute fact. . ." . . . The phrase most often prefixed to bigger than usual lies, especially to sell products. You don't usually have to look at the next phrase to know that it won't usually be true. "It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible. . ."  Like I said, you didn't need to look. It's absolutely false. "It is an absolute fact. . . foretold by every prophet of the Bible" . . . Just like with the books, it turned out that it was not predicted by any book of the Bible nor any prophet of the Bible. Calling it thus is just an embarrassing way of trying to say you are a prophet speaking in Jehovah's name, sticking your neck out further to make sure that people will later see you as a false prophet if your fantastic guesses don't happen to come true. "well worth a few evenings' time for investigation." . . . Quite the opposite. In fact, anyone who wants to discuss the book today among Witnesses will usually be suspected of apostasy. Even though it is still touted as a book that supposedly had the "ring of truth" no one can go more than a couple pages in the book without coming across something that Witnesses now recognize as false, if not embarrassingly false. And remember, the purpose of this investigation was to prove to yourself that Armageddon was culminating in 1925. "The Golden Age" . . . The idea was that the Golden Age had already begun when the Millennium dawned back in 1874 and various advances in the world, new technology, and even medical advances and theories (that turned out to be from quacks and fraudsters) were supposed to give evidence that the Millennium had started 45 or more years earlier. "both for two seventy-five (don't say dollars)" . . .  This speaks for itself. Internally, the persons who distributed most of these books were spoken of as selling the book, and book salesman could make a profit if they sold enough. The sales process was not so different from the way "colporteurs" in those days were selling books along with Fuller Brushes, Carter's Little Liver Pills, Bibles, Encyclopedias, etc. (Books by Mark Twain [Samuel Clemens] were a profitable moneymaker for colporteurs for many years. See below.)  If you followed the sales instructions and learned the pitch you could make a profit, whether you believed in the content or quality of the material or not. This reminds me of a story I heard about colporteurs who used to sell the books of Mark Twain in the late 1800s and early 1900's. They could be had in about 4 or more levels of quality. The idea was also to upsell them on a better quality book if the householder agreed to a lower quality, or if they said no to the price of the highest quality (leatherbound, embossed, lithographs, etc.) then they might finally agree to a lower quality. It was a very irritating process to the householder. The goal of course was to get them moved to absolute most they might pay, so they might even split it up with part now and part cash on delivery. Just a quick search didn't find me the story, but I did notice this in a book called "Mark Twain's Road to Bankruptcy," below. You can see that "colporteurs" were not considered the best of society at the time.

Grey Reformer:
Please go back and re-read what you have written in the last several weeks. It is all extremely consistent.
You care NOTHING about actual facts ... if it disagrees with your agenda.
In the very first issue of the Watchtower, Bro. C. T. Russel stated that ( heavily paraphrased) "The truth is the truth, no matter what the source ... if Satan tells you something that is true... it's still true".
That is still true today.
 

 
 

 
You may want to download BOTH  JPGs,  but especially the quote from Bro. Charles Taze Russel, which started the whole shebang of modern day Jehovah''s Witnesses ... based ON THIS PRINCIPLE. ... " What is Truth ?" It is high resolution, and easier to read when downloaded and enlarged.
 
 

That would be my guess ... I have an Iridium Satellite Phone now, and could make a call from the middle of the Pacific Ocean, if I wanted ... but it is almost as big as a WWII walkie-talkie, and has a large folding antenna. 
It's not so much getting a signal FROM a Satellite, its the return signal. 
If memory serves, a cell phone has only .4 watts, and the power is turned up and down by the cell tower.
Perhaps I should work on a quantum entanglement phone, as conversation can now be reduced to zeros and ones (or on/off). and reconstructed at both ends. 
Perfect truly Instant communication across ANY distance,  even across the Universe, and it cannot be jammed or tapped.
Hmmmmm .....

You are right, Alithis Gnosis:
Some people will never, ever get the point of logic, and increased font size will not help them.
You can educate an ignorant man ... but there is nothing that can be done for stupid.
 

I stay with Jehovah's Witnesses because the core theology is sound, and true .... and not because of the 85% arrogant self serving drivel I have to endure, and the resultant damage on the Brotherhood ... for three reasons:
1.) I appreciate what is actually true is exclusive to Jehovah's Witnesses, and there is nowhere else to go, and
2.) I have learned to expect as a natural right NOTHING from anybody, and
3.) I do not fear death as some do .... might be a good chance to test what I think I know.

Example:
Because of my love for dogs, my heart firmly and absolutely believes my dogs who have died will be waiting for me at the Rainbow Bridge. (Look it up).  There is absolutely no shred of doubt in my heart. None whatsoever. Anywhere.
My mind knows, based on what is true, that it is a complete fantasy.
I am stuck believing with ALL my heart and soul, something that is a complete fantasy, and is not true.
In that regard, but about different subjects, you and I share the same affliction.
We have brains ... we must use them.
That is what adults are supposed to do.
As Yoda says, if I remember correctly .... : "There is only DO .... There is no try"
Do or Do not There is no try Yoda.mp4

Grey Reformer:
Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
Grow up !!

Grey Reformer:
Please go back and re-read what you have written in the last several weeks. It is all extremely consistent.
You care NOTHING about actual facts ... if it disagrees with your agenda.
In the very first issue of the Watchtower, Bro. C. T. Russel stated that ( heavily paraphrased) "The truth is the truth, no matter what the source ... if Satan tells you something that is true... it's still true".
That is still true today.
 

 
 

 
You may want to download BOTH  JPGs,  but especially the quote from Bro. Charles Taze Russel, which started the whole shebang of modern day Jehovah''s Witnesses ... based ON THIS PRINCIPLE. ... " What is Truth ?" It is high resolution, and easier to read when downloaded and enlarged.
 
 

I stay with Jehovah's Witnesses because the core theology is sound, and true .... and not because of the 85% arrogant self serving drivel I have to endure, and the resultant damage on the Brotherhood ... for three reasons:
1.) I appreciate what is actually true is exclusive to Jehovah's Witnesses, and there is nowhere else to go, and
2.) I have learned to expect as a natural right NOTHING from anybody, and
3.) I do not fear death as some do .... might be a good chance to test what I think I know.

Example:
Because of my love for dogs, my heart firmly and absolutely believes my dogs who have died will be waiting for me at the Rainbow Bridge. (Look it up).  There is absolutely no shred of doubt in my heart. None whatsoever. Anywhere.
My mind knows, based on what is true, that it is a complete fantasy.
I am stuck believing with ALL my heart and soul, something that is a complete fantasy, and is not true.
In that regard, but about different subjects, you and I share the same affliction.
We have brains ... we must use them.
That is what adults are supposed to do.
As Yoda says, if I remember correctly .... : "There is only DO .... There is no try"
Do or Do not There is no try Yoda.mp4

Not wish to offend Mr. G. Reformer. But one possible explanation why you G.R. has (and all other, as me too before few years) this feelings and attitude is, as i see, in problem (it is not problem in fact but tool by with what we as person can move in two possible direction)  called Cognitive Dissonance.
All people that is/was facing with at least two opposite information are entering in this inner condition of brain, of intellect, of soul, of spirituality and found himself in very big trouble.     
You can deny all information's, even facts and stick to your belief in order to "survive" and to stay where you are now (in JWorg) because it is "easier" for mind and heart. By staying in JWorg option you will not destroy your "imagination". Imagination created by WT and by you. On this mutual project you put much efforts, energy, love, faith, money, health, time etc. To leave it, it means a defeat. Defeat for you. Not for WT. They will survive as Company, because they ARE Company.
But you, you can lose everything you built, for many years perhaps. That is very scary!
But dreaded idea to abandon, left  this "safe WT port" makes you, and many other JW,  ready to continue to believe in WT deception.
:((    

Grey Reformer:
Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
Grow up !!

Grey Reformer:
Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
Grow up !!

Grey Reformer:
Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
Grow up !!

Currently, at Warwick World HQ, it takes translators to decipher an apology before it is printed in the publications.

Speaking of CANDOR ... the following cartoon is how "candor" works at Warwick World Headquarters, as well as at other businesses ... EVERYWHERE. 
We are NOT immune to this!
It's a cartoon ... but what makes it funny ( and grabs your chest in a queasy sort of way generating sadness ...) is because there is SO MUCH TRUTH, in this satire of what is REAL.
 

Here is a joke for you:
QUESTION: What do you call "candor" ... bundled with insincere kindness?
ANSWER::  No one knows, as truth is being deliberately obscured.
 
 

Your homework (should you decide to accept) is to print out the above CANVAS on an 8-1/2x11" piece of paper and find the six things that are deliberate lies, and write it  on the margins of your paper.
 

Grey Reformer:
Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
Grow up !!

Seems a bit dishonest since apostate sites quote Watchtower publications as you do. What does that prove? That you think in the same lines of distorting the facts? How about some actual facts that everyone here implies.