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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from César Chávez in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    I will take that as a refusal to acknowledge reality as it REALLY exists.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from César Chávez in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    TTH:
    The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws which regulate an establishment of religion, prohibit the free exercise of religion, among other things.
    What this means is that if inside any particular religion they want to believe that God is a flying spaghetti monster, and call their people Giraffes, and slaughter goats and bathe in the blood, or play with snakes  ... the government is FORBIDDEN to interfere with that ... unless ... unless it is against public policy, and is a clear and present danger.
    The Governing Body has declared that all Jehovah's Witnesses are ORDAINED Ministers of the Gospel ... a practice I believe was started during the Vietnam War to try and get Draft deferments. At least it was in place when I reported to the draft board in 1965 at the Armed Forces Entrance and Examining Station (AFEES), in Richmond Virginia, and a legal theory that I presented to those from my community who interrogated me in the Draft Board conference room with, if memory serves, 12 people whose job it was to classify me as to my Draft status.
    I understand what you are saying, TTH and MOST of it is true, but that is COMPLETELY beside the point.
    If you claim to be a hippopotamus, and you are RECOGNIZED as an ordained  hippopotamus,  don't be surprised that you are not allowed to book a room at the local Hotel.
    Further, if you claim to be a hippopotamus, the by extension, your children are hippos,  you cannot without being a hypocrite deride anyone for looking at you, and looking at your son or daughter, and observing correctly that you are not.
    Particularly ... and most importantly, if the culture of your religion has declared that "hippopotamusity" is a "snare and a racket", and that organized herds of hippos are "Babylon the Great", and that their "ordained" leaders are agents of Satan.
    As a teenager, and in my early 20's, my best friend growing up used to Pioneer, and he bragged to me that he could go into prisons almost any time he wanted to "minister" to the inmates there by representing himself as "clergy", which I thought was "juking" the system.
    Later, he and my first wife ran off together ... but I digress.
    The Governing Body has repeatedly represented themselves to Courts as ministers, and to get special legal privileges, by representing themselves as clergy.
    BUT ... you and I have read NOTHING about this in any of the Society's publications .. and heard NOTHING about this at the Kingdom Hall or at any Assemblies or Convention .... while at the SAME TIME telling us that the GB and Elders, and Branch people and we ourselves here at the bottom of the food chain ... ARE ALL EQUAL. (Let's all hold hands in a circle, and sing the Pepsi song).
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    If we are in reality (gimmee a break!) then the newly baptized 8 year old girl is not only an ordained minister ... but is entitled to the legal privileges of "clergy", because she is in fact a "clergy person"
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    THAT is what we have represented as fact ....under sworn oath before God in courts of law ... when  JWs demand the rights of "Clergy".
    So ... on one hand we declare inwardly that we are NOT clergy, despicable agents of Satan as they are, perverting the Word of God, but are all equal ordained ministers at the Kingdom Hall ... from the Governing Body, all the way down to the little 8 year old baptized Sister ... and to the courts we declare that we ARE clergy.
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    I guarantee that any rank-and-file Jehovah's Witnesses of my generation that heard that would be ashamed, and nauseous at the very idea that we shared legal privileges with the "serpents and vipers".
    According to that ... the little 8 year old Sister has the legal right to be privy to people's secrets of every sort, confessed to her, and is legally protected from divulging those secrets to ANYBODY, if she so decides to do so.
    You can't have it BOTH ways.

    SOMEBODY is being conned ... either the courts ... or us.
    There is no third choice.
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    You can't have it BOTH ways.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from César Chávez in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Since the time that the supposed Hunchback of Notre Dame swung from the bells in the bell tower, CLERGY has been afforded special dispensations by the civil authorities.
    Even the civil authorities are in many governments referred to as "ministers".
    In Richmond Virginia, circa 1965 Pioneers, those who spent 100 hours a month in the ministry .... and BEFORE the idea was promoted that we were "ordained" ministers .... and LONG before the GB started promoting the idea that those involved in lawsuits were "Clergy", these Brothers WERE granted exemption to military service with a "4-D" classification as "Ministers of Religion"
    I WAS THERE AND SAW IT.
    I was threatened with five years in the Federal Penitentiary, and when I told them I was ready to go ... I got the "I-O" classification, and exemption as a conscientious objector.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JW Insider in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Since the time that the supposed Hunchback of Notre Dame swung from the bells in the bell tower, CLERGY has been afforded special dispensations by the civil authorities.
    Even the civil authorities are in many governments referred to as "ministers".
    In Richmond Virginia, circa 1965 Pioneers, those who spent 100 hours a month in the ministry .... and BEFORE the idea was promoted that we were "ordained" ministers .... and LONG before the GB started promoting the idea that those involved in lawsuits were "Clergy", these Brothers WERE granted exemption to military service with a "4-D" classification as "Ministers of Religion"
    I WAS THERE AND SAW IT.
    I was threatened with five years in the Federal Penitentiary, and when I told them I was ready to go ... I got the "I-O" classification, and exemption as a conscientious objector.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    TTH:
    The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws which regulate an establishment of religion, prohibit the free exercise of religion, among other things.
    What this means is that if inside any particular religion they want to believe that God is a flying spaghetti monster, and call their people Giraffes, and slaughter goats and bathe in the blood, or play with snakes  ... the government is FORBIDDEN to interfere with that ... unless ... unless it is against public policy, and is a clear and present danger.
    The Governing Body has declared that all Jehovah's Witnesses are ORDAINED Ministers of the Gospel ... a practice I believe was started during the Vietnam War to try and get Draft deferments. At least it was in place when I reported to the draft board in 1965 at the Armed Forces Entrance and Examining Station (AFEES), in Richmond Virginia, and a legal theory that I presented to those from my community who interrogated me in the Draft Board conference room with, if memory serves, 12 people whose job it was to classify me as to my Draft status.
    I understand what you are saying, TTH and MOST of it is true, but that is COMPLETELY beside the point.
    If you claim to be a hippopotamus, and you are RECOGNIZED as an ordained  hippopotamus,  don't be surprised that you are not allowed to book a room at the local Hotel.
    Further, if you claim to be a hippopotamus, the by extension, your children are hippos,  you cannot without being a hypocrite deride anyone for looking at you, and looking at your son or daughter, and observing correctly that you are not.
    Particularly ... and most importantly, if the culture of your religion has declared that "hippopotamusity" is a "snare and a racket", and that organized herds of hippos are "Babylon the Great", and that their "ordained" leaders are agents of Satan.
    As a teenager, and in my early 20's, my best friend growing up used to Pioneer, and he bragged to me that he could go into prisons almost any time he wanted to "minister" to the inmates there by representing himself as "clergy", which I thought was "juking" the system.
    Later, he and my first wife ran off together ... but I digress.
    The Governing Body has repeatedly represented themselves to Courts as ministers, and to get special legal privileges, by representing themselves as clergy.
    BUT ... you and I have read NOTHING about this in any of the Society's publications .. and heard NOTHING about this at the Kingdom Hall or at any Assemblies or Convention .... while at the SAME TIME telling us that the GB and Elders, and Branch people and we ourselves here at the bottom of the food chain ... ARE ALL EQUAL. (Let's all hold hands in a circle, and sing the Pepsi song).
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    If we are in reality (gimmee a break!) then the newly baptized 8 year old girl is not only an ordained minister ... but is entitled to the legal privileges of "clergy", because she is in fact a "clergy person"
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    THAT is what we have represented as fact ....under sworn oath before God in courts of law ... when  JWs demand the rights of "Clergy".
    So ... on one hand we declare inwardly that we are NOT clergy, despicable agents of Satan as they are, perverting the Word of God, but are all equal ordained ministers at the Kingdom Hall ... from the Governing Body, all the way down to the little 8 year old baptized Sister ... and to the courts we declare that we ARE clergy.
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    I guarantee that any rank-and-file Jehovah's Witnesses of my generation that heard that would be ashamed, and nauseous at the very idea that we shared legal privileges with the "serpents and vipers".
    According to that ... the little 8 year old Sister has the legal right to be privy to people's secrets of every sort, confessed to her, and is legally protected from divulging those secrets to ANYBODY, if she so decides to do so.
    You can't have it BOTH ways.

    SOMEBODY is being conned ... either the courts ... or us.
    There is no third choice.
    Either we ARE all equal .... or we are NOT.
    You can't have it BOTH ways.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Witness in "The Witnesses"   
    The link you provided did not work.
    This one on YouTube does.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zfMRqpzuOE
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Darren Collison meets with his agent to finalize his possible return to the NBA L.A. Lakers   
    You have a list of WHAT ?  Oh dear, HERO WORSHIP  at it's best. 
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from César Chávez in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Everyone is equal ........ but some are more equal than others.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Tom Harley on James Thomas Rook   
    Because I never take offense at someone's honest opinion, it does not disturb me if someone attacks in full force.
    Like Winston Churchill, who once apologized to his wife, who was about to leave him, the only thing I know how to do ...is fight.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Darren Collison meets with his agent to finalize his possible return to the NBA L.A. Lakers   
    There comes a time in every zealous person's life when they realize they STILL have to work for a living, or suffer the deprivations of poverty.
    This becomes very evident when you need $250,000 in medical care to stay alive,  and you have no money.
    Minor reminders come when you run out of money, and need two crowns, and two root canals. and the rats are eating your face.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    How old are you Kosonen?
    Your naivete bespeaks that you are in your mid 20's, having no idea whatsoever how things have ALWAYS worked.
    Politics is war ... without the bloodshed.
    It always has been.
    HINT: stop watching NBC (Nothing but Clinton Network), CBS (Clinton B S Network), and ABC (Allabout Clinton Network), and the insane progressive Snowflakes, and get ANY AM  talk radio station ( available on the Internet), and LISTEN to what they have to say about current events.
    You will learn more.
    And more to the point, what you learn will be less likely to be wrong, so your ideas will be less like that of a brainwashed teenager with a mind full of mush.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Srecko Sostar in What Does A Secret Database Kept By Jehovah’s Witnesses Reveal About Potential Sexual Abusers?   
    Yes, this verses are somehow in opposition to Peter's words about, obey god more than men. But you made good choose to show César Chávez how GB brake this Jesus' commands. Giving information to secular authorities they ask for, about CSA inside JWorg is not something that would make god to look bad or dishonor His Name, but and only make WT Society, JWorg  and GB leaders to look as any other human organization. That is something what make them scary.
    Because it would bring shame to Them not to Him !!
    I guess how God can handle The Truth, all sort of Truths. But human can't !! The Truth, in cases like this when it have role of revealing bad things, has only one outcome - to destroy self made image. Until you don't get to that point, people will continue with same manner (bad manner) of behavior.
    Well, Revealing The Truth is braking point, to take the blame and make change for better .....or to stay living in denying mode (fantasy world) continue with cognitive dissonance and choose "explanations" that will support The Lie.  
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from César Chávez in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    In many court cases world wide, the WTB&T Society has represented, under oath, that all Jehovah's Witnesses are ordained ministers, and are therefore clergy.
    ... even the newly baptized 8 year old girl, who thinks "clergy" is some kind of nasal congestion.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    In many court cases world wide, the WTB&T Society has represented, under oath, that all Jehovah's Witnesses are ordained ministers, and are therefore clergy.
    ... even the newly baptized 8 year old girl, who thinks "clergy" is some kind of nasal congestion.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to admin in How to see fewer posts on a page?   
    Ok... I added a "Back to top" button on the lower right hand side....
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in How to see fewer posts on a page?   
    It reminds me of Anthony Morris telling how he was starting to sweat it because he urgently needed the sale of his house to go through and it wasn’t—it came right down to the wire. As he recalled at the 2016 Regional Convention (with a glance upward): “Of course, he’s God—he can do what he wants.)
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    You should hear him carry on about Mexico whenever they cross him.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Kosonen in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Daniel 8:23-25 says: 
    And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings will stand up. 24  His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones. 25  And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.
    Those highlighted characteristics above are things that the media tell about Trump already. 
    And how do people around the world perceive Donald Trump's facial image? Soft? Gentle? Or fierce? Needless to say.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    This is because whenever he appears on media, he is responding to one of their accusations. What! Would you hold up the media as revealer of Truth? You do not see that they plainly have an agenda of their own? 
    This is downright childish, Kos. Watch him at one of his rallies and he will not appear “fierce” at all. He will be appear almost as jolly as Santa Claus.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Kosonen in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    I just saw tv commentators talk about their fear of Trump revenge on his enemies. This is something actually prophecied in Daniel 8 in the prophecy about the fierce-looking king. Quite interesting.
    Daniel 8:23 And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings*will stand up. 24  His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.+ 25  And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.
    Among those who will be brought to ruin could be his political opponents.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Kosonen in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    And more indications pile up pointing to Donald Trump as the king of the north in Daniel 11:37...but he will magnify himself over everyone. 38  But instead he will give glory to the god of fortresses; to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and silver and precious stones and desirable things.
    This god of fortress has been explained to mean military spending. And this is something Donald Trump has increased. He thinks this is a top priority. Here is a news clip commenting on that.
     
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Kosonen in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    @TrueTomHarley The angel explained what the vision means that 3 horns were plucked off before him: 
    Daniel 7:24 "As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings."
    I have been looking who those 3 kings would be? They should be a part of the same beast. So they should be 3 significant "western"  countries. 
    Trump has been harsh against many countries, but could it be Germany, France and UK?
    Trump has been hard on Merkel, Germany and the Nord Stream gas pipeline from Russian to Germany. Trump has been hard on Macron and France. Trump was hard on Theresa May UK, and just recently Trump "tore into" Boris Johnson over Huawei. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/donald-trump-boris-johnson-huawei/index.html
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to admin in Red Robin's Mad Love Burger is the Best Burger in America!   
    I personally love Red Robin's "Mad Love" gourmet burger.  It must be on my top 3 list of cheeseburgers.

    Ask for the "Campfire" sauce for your steak fries. Yummy. It is basically a mix of BBQ and Ranch I'm told.

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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Well, what in the world do you expect? “Yeah, I know that I was impeached, but I am really guilty—can’t believe I fooled them on that—they really should have convicted me.” You think he’s going to say that, or think that?
    Do you know what acquittal means? It means not guilty. So when the process finds him not guilty, as he never thought he was, in the face of critics vehemently insisting that he was guilty as sin, even a traitor to the country—and given his personality not to shrink from a fight, would you not expect him to do a victory lap or three?
    Do you even know what he was impeached for? Most Americans had only a hazy idea and if you explained it to them in more detail, many couldn’t see how it was an especial big deal—it is not as though the charge he made of the former VP’s son was untrue, after all.
    You’re kidding me! And everyone else in town has the countenance of an angel?
    Everyone is successful until their denunciation comes to a finish. C’mon, Kos! Ask JTR to tell you about how Cool Hand Luke kept coming at George Kennedy even though he had nothing.
    Look, some find the guy’s candor refreshing. You lap up the commentator painting a picture of a Congress shocked—shocked!—that he would carry on so at a prayer breakfast, as though business as normal for them is devotion to prayer?! 
    Enough of the stuff to float the Spanish Armada on, methinks.
    At most, he is an example of the clay that does not mix with the iron. You might think of him as a bull in a china shop, but would you really want to liken government status quo as a ‘china shop?’
    Call him a junkyard dog in a junkyard and you are on safer ground. But the only dog in Revelation is the one that goes down with about a half-dozen other types of scoundrels. And don’t start pumping a prophesy out of that—it was just a throwaway line!
    4Jah’s true annointed, to manifest itself out of nowhere within ten years, may have an opening for head prophet, but as for me and my household, I can find a better one at any Seven-Eleven store.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Kosonen in The range of political beliefs among Jehovah's Witnesses   
    With some exaggeration it could be said the whole book of Daniel is about Donald Trump.
    The horn that has eyes and a mouth that speaks arrogantly (Daniel 7): Donald Trump is accused of speaking arrogantly and bluntly.  A fierce looking king (Daniel 8:23-25): Donald Trump has a fierce look. The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. (Daniel 11:36): Donald Trump already fit some of these characteristics, he does as he pleases and brags openly and against all odds proves to be successful in staying in power and he has had success in domestic politics. The latest victory for him was of course the aquittal from impeachment. It really looks like Donald Trump is going to fulfill a lot more prophecies.
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