James Thomas Rook Jr.

@Arauna  you must really have OCD about sex. 
Quote " The signs read: "love does not shun".   True, the liove of this world with its "practices" of fornication, LGBT does not shun. " 
The sign is about emotional family love, nothing to do with immorality. 
Reminds me of those on here taking about 'tight pants tony'...  You JW's seem to have relate everything to sex or to this rotten world that belongs to the devil. 

Protestors against any cause are a common sight today, and they have a way of getting in your face if unregulated. “Why don’t you just pop them one?” said a local cop about some particularly aggressive ones from several years ago. People come to any event because they want to attend that event in peace. They don’t go because they want to be told that they are nuts to be there. 
“Information Control”—give me a break! This is just a page from the David Splane of left-wing anti-cult leaders, Steven Hassan, who has originated the BITE model that his followers are all gaga over—Behavioral, Informational, Thought, and Emotional “control.” Mr Hassan’s latest book is entitled, “The Cult of Trump—A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control.” When you think that half the country has fallen under cult influence, it is strong evidence that you have drunk too much of the Kool-Aid yourself. I, too, find it useful to explain away anyone who disagrees with me as a cult victim.
There have been such corridors at our Regionals, too, in recent years, and I appreciate the efforts to free friends from the harassment. Despite your crying, I can see that sign that you are asserting is blocked, and those attendants do, too—all morning long if they are on both sides of the corridor, as they usually are. Often there are megaphones, too.
Last year, the Regional Convention in Rochester was cancelled with three weeks to go because new management took control of the arena, refused to recognize previous terms, and stonewalled negotiations until the last minute, maybe figuring that groups would feel boxed in by then and just do whatever new terms were stipulated. Disney on Ice also pulled out, as did Monster Truck Rally. A Fortune 500 company did not pull out, but instead sent in their lawyers to enforce the original terms. (The City wanted us to do that, too, I am told—we have very good relations with them & of course, they like the added business for restaurants and hotels—but we declined)
We ended up going to Wilkes-Barre for a convention on the same dates, utilizing an arena that had already hosted several conventions. If it had been a disaster, arranged at the last moment and all, you would have been gloating, Jack, but in fact in went very smoothly, and so it is necessary for you to attribute that to being “cult-like.” That facility is on a large parcel of private property that includes parking, and I confess that I did not cry over the absence of protesters. I even wrote up that event, the Love Never Fails convention. It was tied in to Phoenix for several talks, and one of your allies even factors into the story: 
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/08/at-the-wilkes-barre-love-never-fails-regional-convention.html
A lineup of 100 slovenly dressed “apostate”guards to seal off a couple of old ladies with a small literature cart? Actually, I would like to see that spectacle, Jack. Why don’t you set that up? Surely that will help you to be seen as rational people.

The signs read: "love does not shun".   True, the liove of this world with its "practices" of fornication, LGBT does not shun. 
But we do not tolerate unrepentant "pracitisers"  of this kind of love they refer to.  This is my answer and I am a typical rank and file JW who cannot think for myself  according to all the slurs given me on this forum.
I predict this will become a huge issue as all children now at school are taught to accept these practices whereas the bible says we should not " condone" them Romans 1. So the future is bleak regarding morality. When good is bad and bad is good.
We will all in future be persecuted as hateful because of this. The same people who say jehovah was harsh when he killed wayward Jews who participated in false worship and burnt their own children.  There are none as blind as those who do not want to see.

Happiness is overrated.
Nazi combat soldiers were a happy lot ..... when they were winning.

Or .... if we have more common sense than a potato, what was written in the Bible will be crystal clear the first time we read it.
hint hint: That's why we have a conscience.

This is not rocket science. Pay attention to existing court action. With rare exception it focuses on families in which there was child sexual abuse—often step-families—and elders are involved only in that it was not reported to authorities.
”Secondly. Mr Harley has no idea whatsoever, just how many JW 'leaders' are involved in CSA.“
I know it for everyone else, though. It is every case that comes to trial—and there are no end of them involving leaders of anything.
When was the last time you read of court action against a priest because there was child sexual abuse going on among a family of his parish and he did not stop it? 
When was the last time you read of the Boy Scouts getting sued because there was child sexual abuse going on in a Scout’s family and the Scoutleader did not stop it?
When what the last time you read of child sexual abuse involving the UN that centered around workers discovering CSA in a family and not reporting it?
This one is almost too stupid to answer. How can you be so childish?
“Shining as illuminators in the world” is also comparing Christians to the world. To acknowledge that within your ranks you have the same issues that afflict the rest of mankind, but that overall, they are far less serious (in not involving the leaders, whereas that is the pattern elsewhere) is hardly the evil that you make it out to be. 
It’s “The LORD.” Better get used to saying it. The only ones wanting anything to do with the Name is JWs, which you have left because it is not perfect. Get cracking on your replacement organization—you who have said that God could raise up a “genuine, pure” anointed within about ten years before the end comes. Shoot me a text when that has happened.

TrueTomHarley said:
I did. She punted.
Let's see: we have 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975, 2000, and Real Soon Now.
That's one alright.

ep·och /ˈepək/   noun noun: epoch; plural noun: epochs a period of time in history or a person's life, typically one marked by notable events or particular characteristics. "the Victorian epoch"   the beginning of a distinctive period in the history of someone or something. "welfare reform was an epoch in the history of U.S. social policy"   Geology a division of time that is a subdivision of a period and is itself subdivided into ages, corresponding to a series in chronostratigraphy. "the Pliocene epoch"   Astronomy an arbitrarily fixed date relative to which planetary or stellar measurements are expressed.     What if ............
 
What if in many cases of the Bible, particularly in Genesis .... what we have translated as year or years ... should have been translated as EPOCH(S)?
 
Hmmmmmm ?
 

I used to date Wilma Slaghoople, who was an "End Times/Overlapping Generation" advocate, .... but she ended up marrying Fred Flintstone.
However, I expect that 100 out of 100 JWs would agree that Armageddon will in fact occur by the year C.E. 500,001,975.
In business that is what is called a "Large Prophet Margin".
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If memory serves the WTB&TS has five, 1975 just being the last one.
 

It seems to me that if the Earth is somewhere around 3.5 billion years old, divided by seven days, that would make each creative day about 500 million years.
... and Genesis is described from the perspective of someone standing on the surface of the Earth, watching stuff happen, so that's O.K.
We are in the 7th day of 500 million years, so I guess Armageddon will be  in the year C.E. 500,001,975.
"Stay Alive 'Till '75!"

I wish this was not true.
It is very discouraging when the GB is chasing away more people than I could gather in a thousand lifetimes.

ep·och /ˈepək/   noun noun: epoch; plural noun: epochs a period of time in history or a person's life, typically one marked by notable events or particular characteristics. "the Victorian epoch"   the beginning of a distinctive period in the history of someone or something. "welfare reform was an epoch in the history of U.S. social policy"   Geology a division of time that is a subdivision of a period and is itself subdivided into ages, corresponding to a series in chronostratigraphy. "the Pliocene epoch"   Astronomy an arbitrarily fixed date relative to which planetary or stellar measurements are expressed.     What if ............
 
What if in many cases of the Bible, particularly in Genesis .... what we have translated as year or years ... should have been translated as EPOCH(S)?
 
Hmmmmmm ?
 

It's because they thought he was cured.

Do we have any statistic on this: how many leaders inside JW's are abusers, and how many leaders not reporting??
WT Organization PR decide to tell minimum words, and best words for doing so is to reverse the meaning of the charge. Victims and ex-JW put issue on how elders not reporting CSA cases to police and secular authorities and have internal Judging Committees. This JW elders act in a way that is not proactive for victims but contrary, it helps abusers to stay unknown not only to JW population in particular congregation, but to all other who need to know about issue. By such WT policy, danger for children inside and outside JW community come to be higher.
Bro SL gave public statement, on JW National TV,  “we abhor child sexual abuse”.   In this PR statement he didn't say how WT Society and elders do it (abhor) and handle with CSA cases, but general statement, about general truth. Because whole world, religious and secular doing the same about the same  - "abhor".     

I used to date Wilma Slaghoople, who was an "End Times/Overlapping Generation" advocate, .... but she ended up marrying Fred Flintstone.
However, I expect that 100 out of 100 JWs would agree that Armageddon will in fact occur by the year C.E. 500,001,975.
In business that is what is called a "Large Prophet Margin".
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If memory serves the WTB&TS has five, 1975 just being the last one.
 

It seems to me that if the Earth is somewhere around 3.5 billion years old, divided by seven days, that would make each creative day about 500 million years.
... and Genesis is described from the perspective of someone standing on the surface of the Earth, watching stuff happen, so that's O.K.
We are in the 7th day of 500 million years, so I guess Armageddon will be  in the year C.E. 500,001,975.
"Stay Alive 'Till '75!"

No. You are preoccupied with this, and @4Jah2me lives and breathes it. But anyone else takes into account that there is no sizable organization on earth where CSA is not an issue, and no one that is not being sued—and in most cases, it is the leaders who are the abusers, something very rare with JWs, whose leaders are just accused of not reporting.
Don’t misunderstand. I would rather that even that were not so, but it is considerably less serious than the leaders being the abusers. Most people can get their heads around that, out of 8 million people, not every single one will be blameless—especially since CSA is the scourge of the planet. Most people can also get their heads around clergy/penitent confidentiality, even if it is being legally reinterpreted, same as they have understood doctor/patient and lawyer/client privilege. I say the following only because I am addressing you, JTR, and I know your political leaning: Most ordinary Americans cannot quite get their heads around quid-pro-quo and if you explain it to them they are not quite sure why it is the huge deal Trump’s opponents make it out to be.
We’ll see how it turns out. It may be something to the Witness organization’s lasting shame. Or perhaps a sense of proportion will, in time, assert itself.
I do sometimes wish that there was a little more PR pushback from them. At present there is only a “we abhor child sexual abuse.” True enough, but in the face of court actions and vehement accusers, reporters go to where they can get a story. They can get one from accusers, but nothing specific from the defense, so they naturally gorge themselves on what the accusers have to say. That’s what reporters do.
There is a limit to how much you can malign people. The decency of Jehovah’s Witnesses is well-attested. They are not flower-selling robe dressers but they are neighbors and coworkers. True, they eat Bible sandwiches, but they are honest, industrious, law-abiding, and harmless. Usually when there are laudable people, it is understood to be because of their leaders, not despite them.
You hang out here too much, JTR, with people who are obsessed over this, in some cases people who are fervently hoping for an outcome detrimental to JWs. “Can’t see the forest for the trees” is the pit some fall into. Again, because of your political leanings—it is like media whipping people into a frenzy over Trump day after day, praying that every tiny development proves to be the torpedo that sinks him. From the moment of his election this has been the case—even from before his election. Close one Mueller investigation with not much to show for it, and immediately open another. 
At least half the country concludes that it is his enemies grasping at straws. 

They won't have finished all the JW CSA court cases by then and victims would lose out. 
No, it will take years to try to repair the damage to the JW Org.  And if only baptised JWs will get saved then the Org will have to be squeaky clean. Dream on.......

It's holy molys of course!

I understand the new French military salute is both arms held straight up, with palms forward.

When my children were young, preschool, at the Kingdom Hall I required them to be quiet and respectful, but did not require them to pay attention.  I let them scribble, and do coloring books, and play silently with very small toys in their seats.
Today my oldest is an elder, and all three are strong and active in the truth of the Truth (to the best of my knowledge), have very good jobs and married well ... VERY well. 
It was more important to me for them to have HAPPY childhoods.
Meantime, I know many elders whose children all left.
.... but then again ... I am a Barbarian and a loose cannon.
...  silly me.

I'm retired.
Hahahahahahaa

Relax. They’ll all be DFed by the weekend.

Sorry but you are wrong in this thinking. JW members not separating spiritual and literal Organization. Because that is one and the same in their thinking. They consider JHVH asOwner or Master of One Organization in Spiritual and Earthly place, not two. Because JHVH love Unity :))) 
If i am correct in thinking, this 8 men running all job, governing how all work should be done and giving complete direction to JW organization :)) 
On question answer is: No, they didn't get enough spirit. Because JHVH spirit can't make such mistakes because of my perception how JHVH spirit is absolute in this context. If i believe in wrong premises than that is my problem :)))
On second quote:  Agree, spirit doesn't work on our terms. (Perhaps spirit can and doing in "adaptable manner" because spirit have to deal with blood and flesh and bones in us). But on other part of thinking if we accept your good statement, than GB are not entitled to speaking about one and only "Channel of Communication", because spirit not work in GB terms. Spirit can give "communication" to other sort of channels too, because spirit work on own terms not on ours. :))
On third quote: I will just add to your fine words. Spirit knows When and How .... and to Whom.
Waiting for your thoughts :))

James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
See where failing to read posts gets you? You have no clue what you're talking about.
If you read my posts -- as I just suggested and you've refused -- you'll find that I certainly use "reason and logic and common sense", but along with that I use "disparaging personal insults" whenever I find a poster lying, misrepresenting, disparaging, ignoring, or otherwise deliberately trying to throw the discussion off the track.
What's wrong with that? Isn't that what Jesus did with the lying Pharisees? "Vipers . . ." Or maybe you don't think Jesus is a good model.
Again, do you expect me to be a better Christian than the hypocritical clowns?
I always try to destroy the arguments, but when it's called for, the liars, too. Often there's no difference with deliberate liars. Remember, I've been dealing with these types for nearly 30 years, and from experience I know that taking a hard line with liars is the most effective. Sometimes telling them to their face that they're a liar eventually gets them to think, and quit lying.