James Thomas Rook Jr.

.... a little souvenir from the early 1970's I keep as a memento of interesting times ... and to surreptitiously quick  flash when I show a traffic officer my drivers license.
The gold flash has gotten me out of seven speeding tickets, and I never asked for any consideration, and never gave any explanation.
My eldest son was stunned when I got stopped in a 35mph zone doing 57 miles per hour.. When we pulled off without a ticket he said "I gotta get me one of those!".
By the way ... the little red thingies are Chicken Nipples.  They sell them on Amazon.
.... really!

That's because I am the only one that got the history right!
I am freaking AWESOME!
Good Detectives detect much.
With the same facts, bad Detectives detect nothing.
...  you have my condolences.

That's because I am the only one that got the history right!
I am freaking AWESOME!
Good Detectives detect much.
With the same facts, bad Detectives detect nothing.
...  you have my condolences.

If they were not guilty of sedition ... then why did they later remove seditious elements from the Society's publications.?
Hmmmmmm ?
 

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I suppose it all comes down to the issue of credibility of the one doing the analysis of unseen, invisible things that happened a hundred years ago.
How many times has the WTB&TS been right?,  and
How many times has the WTB&TS been wrong?
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“And the 70 returned and they were bummed. The Lord said, “Why are you bummed.” They answered, “We sat at home from morning through the burning heat of the day, straight into evening, and nobody knocked on our door.”    
 
I don’t think that this is true. The nuttiness is no more than it has always been, and is in many respects less. To some extent, it is exactly what one would expect. Jesus said he did not come to call on those who do not need a physician—he came to call on those who do. When our people go nuts, they still would not hurt a fly. When those outside go nuts, for many of them you’d better call the SWAT team.
The conventions invariably make a good impression. Both the website and the literature carts add a measure of dignity not always conveyed by any given publisher. Events transpiring in Russia paint us as downright champions of human rights.
Yes, the charges of CSA are bad, but they are largely offset by the fact that there is no sizable group of persons not also enmeshed in them, as well as a general weariness of lawyers. You well remember when premiere television or billboard sponsors were manufacturers or vendors. Today they are lawyers, and people weary over the massive transfers of cash that they enable, whilst skimming off at least the top third. They think of all the things they used to be able to do that they no longer can do on account of lawyers making things cost-prohibitive, and it qualifies any zeal for whatever cause they might represent. Even as people as individuals hope that their turn winning the lawyer-lottery may come next, people as a group share a general sense that the barristers have destroyed the fabric of life. Insurance premiums of all sorts skyrocket at a time that overall inflation is quite low. Everyone knows why. Nonstop lawsuits on everything under the sun amounts to a tax on everyone else.
I think it is too much you pumping life into anti-Witness memes—living and breathing that life. You are consumed with them, and thus you come to think they far more occupy people’s attention than they really do.
It is like that with every cause. It is like that even with us. We start to imagine that everyone on earth is turning over in their minds and hearts the kingdom cause, siding for or against. But when I met an author in the dog park, he said: “Watchtower—that’s the Mormons, isn’t it?”
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/07/the-author-in-the-dog-park.html

You may be familiar with the fact that it takes 25 MAN YEARS of witnessing to bring ONE newly interested  person into the Truth, who will stay his or her whole lifetime.
25 YEARS!
for ONE person!
What's wrong with THAT picture?
.... there is a very real answer, and it is NOT pretty.

"10 nipples will keep a flock of up to 40 chickens or 30 turkeys well hydrated"

Anna:
I see what you posted as after the fact spin.

.... a little souvenir from the early 1970's I keep as a memento of interesting times ... and to surreptitiously quick  flash when I show a traffic officer my drivers license.
The gold flash has gotten me out of seven speeding tickets, and I never asked for any consideration, and never gave any explanation.
My eldest son was stunned when I got stopped in a 35mph zone doing 57 miles per hour.. When we pulled off without a ticket he said "I gotta get me one of those!".
By the way ... the little red thingies are Chicken Nipples.  They sell them on Amazon.
.... really!

Then there's no need to worry is there?

I forgot to mention, that when he said he was going to destroy me, I first replied that he was welcome to try, and then etc.
Willy-Nilly, he abandoned the Truth about three years after that, and I am still here 45 years later.

That is so ludicrous I don't even know where to start.
The reason the Brothers were imprisoned for sedition, etc ... IS THAT THEY WERE GUILTY !
They were not let out of prison early because of some imaginary vindication ... they were let out because the "Great War" was over.

I may have missed something BTK46, but I do not see where in this particular thread, as shown above, where John Butler threatened ANYBODY.
Please correct me with a quote, as you apparently see something that is NOT THERE.
No surprise at that .....
It's either you, or me that is wrong about this, and historically, it's always been you.
If I say the Governing Body is it's own worst enemy, because they keep shooting themselves in the foot and systematically destroying their credibility, day by day, that is NOT a threat.
.... merely a figurative  observation.

Well, BTK46, I personally do not think we have much to fear from external enemies .... if we are doing things  that are correct ... they have no case at all . 
All sane, reasonable people know this.
The fact of the matter is this ... day by day, in the eyes of the World, Jehovah's Witnesses are losing what credibility we USED to have, with general nuttiness .... and the Governing Body, in it's self aggrandizing attempts at damage control, are day by day, losing THEIR credibility, except with the slowest, the dull, and the trusting.
They are their OWN worst enemy.
With all the real good that they do in directing the preaching of the Good News, the drivel that they add chases just as many people away, as the Truth attracts.
When you have the TRUTH ... we would not have to knock on THEIR doors ... they would be knocking on OUR doors.
The general impression is that we dress well, are fine people, but are bat-crap crazy.

I may have missed something BTK46, but I do not see where in this particular thread, as shown above, where John Butler threatened ANYBODY.
Please correct me with a quote, as you apparently see something that is NOT THERE.
No surprise at that .....
It's either you, or me that is wrong about this, and historically, it's always been you.
If I say the Governing Body is it's own worst enemy, because they keep shooting themselves in the foot and systematically destroying their credibility, day by day, that is NOT a threat.
.... merely a figurative  observation.

This is why I prefer to be called just "Rook", (no first or middle name), or JTR ... to keep from being identified with the Apostle James, which would be a stretch of multi-dimensional proportions .... or with Sean Connery , the only REAL James Bond ...... I mean .... besides the Ornithologist ( Bird Watcher, for those in Rio Linda ...) named James Bond, from whom Ian Fleming  the author and creator of the James Bond Character took the name., who wrote several  books on birds that impressed Ian Fleming, also a bird watcher ... ....
Why do you think I got 18 chickens?
They are birds, and a lot cheaper than parrots.

                    Left to right .... 006, 007, 009

Super Chicken Intro.mp4

Men are not ants.
REAL men do not like being stepped on.
Of course ... it's not all about ME.

SIX SCREENS OF THE BEAKER .mp4

This is why I prefer to be called just "Rook", (no first or middle name), or JTR ... to keep from being identified with the Apostle James, which would be a stretch of multi-dimensional proportions .... or with Sean Connery , the only REAL James Bond ...... I mean .... besides the Ornithologist ( Bird Watcher, for those in Rio Linda ...) named James Bond, from whom Ian Fleming  the author and creator of the James Bond Character took the name., who wrote several  books on birds that impressed Ian Fleming, also a bird watcher ... ....
Why do you think I got 18 chickens?
They are birds, and a lot cheaper than parrots.

                    Left to right .... 006, 007, 009

Super Chicken Intro.mp4

What makes no sense to me is that you have evaded my question. If you have peered into the deeper things of God and have decided that those running the show are frauds, why do you come to the meetings that they sponsor, as you must have for them to give you any grief.
Witness runs a fine shop that she operates out of Facebook. Why don’t you go there?

Yes, his last name is Bond

Perhaps James is a spy. 

There are two parts to a Corporate Baptism:
1.) Dedication and public declaration of agreement of being adopted by Jehovah God, and Christ Jesus,  and
2.) An oath of fealty and subservience to the Corporation's ( The "Organization" ) policies and procedures.
I suspect the Watchtower Lawyers, which now dictate the nuances of our "Corporate Theology", will have to work a LOT of overtime, when this issue hits the courtroom, as respects to Corporate baptized  minors, below the age of 18, when challenged on that point alone.
UNless legally emancipated, they do NOT have the right to make contracts, except for food, clothing, shelter, and suchlike absolute essentials .... and CERTAINLY (to be tested in court ...) not contested fealty to a Corporation, the contract being entered into before the age of majority.
I do NOT agree with JW.ORG, becoming JW.BORG .... but the Watchtower Lawyers and accountants are now running the show, and there is NOTHING... NOTHING, anybody on Earth can do about it.
The Governing Body CANNOT be fired by anyone on Earth.
...and they know it!

It makes no sense to you because you have missed the point tht Baptism to God and Christ is what is in the person's heart ....the fact that Witnesses are DELIBERATELY kept ignorant OF THE  CORPORATE LOYALTY OATH, that they are ALSO swearing fealty to a Corporation excuses their ignorance, completely.  Not every soldier is a John Rambo.
The Corporate Fealty Oath  is deliberately obscured and hidden until the very last moment for a specific reason.
That part of the ceremony is a deliberate legal trap.
The Governing Body and the Watchtower lawyers know EXACTLY what they are doing, and exactly what the words mean .... in a court of law .... where someone  is suing them for malfeasance or other crimes against the dignity of the individual.
With those weasel words, expertly disguised or completely hidden, and DELIBERATELY not taught ... to the baptismal candidate ... they can legitimately say to a judge or jury ... and have it hold up in a court of law ... that the baptized Witnesses agreed to be subordinate and mistreated by the Corporation.
 

I have given my reasons before on this forum at great length ....
In one sentence ... it is the ONLY "game in town" ... and I do not have unrealistic expectations about what humans are capable of doing as regards righteousness.
I am a retired Engineer, and I recognize when machines are operated beyond their design capacity.
This is also true of ALL people.
There are NO exceptions.
Reality is what it is .... not what we WISH it was.