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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    .... and have the Governing Body solemnly charge the Watchtower Lawyers to pursue JUSTICE, wherever it may be found ... NOT to forsake and pervert justice, to preserve the WTB&TS Treasury, and Warwick lifestyle.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to JW Insider in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    With the above as the basis, we can now begin to see an issue with the explanation.
    After arriving in 1914, Jesus was supposed to have appointed the GB as the FDS in 1919. But the original parable is about Jesus appointing the FDS and then departing for an unknown amount of time.
    If Jesus arrived in 1914, and appointed the FDS in 1919, then when did he depart?  Where did he depart to? For a time, after 1916, Rutherford got very quiet about the 40 years of harvest running from 1874 to 1914, and, in fact, he changed those 40 years, and made them run from 1878 to 1918.  At the time, recall, 1914 was still considered an embarrassing, failed expectation. It had not yet been tied to any invisible presence [still 1874] or the start of Christ's Kingdom [still 1878], or the casting down of Satan. And the "first resurrection" was not yet tied to 1918; it was still 1881. So Rutherford would soon begin to speak of Jesus having "arrived" in 1918 for the inspection and cleansing of the Temple. In spite of a great European War in 1914, it was pretty clear to Rutherford that nothing Biblically significant had happened in 1914. That was supposed to be the final VISIBLE manifestation of an invisible presence that started 40 years earlier. After inspection, 1919 would be the new fresh start. In the early 1920's, Rutherford reaffirmed the chronology, including 1874, 1878, 1881, and 1914 in preparation for the sureness of his 1925 prediction. But he also said that there was more proof for 1925 than there had been for 1914.
    So now we move onto the details. Luke says there are four classes of slave:
    Faithful and Discreet who will be appointed over all belongings on the Master's arrival Unfaithful Slave who will be beaten with greatest severity Understanding Slave who didn't get ready and is beaten with many strokes Misunderstanding Slave who gets beaten with few strokes. This of course matches the parable of the talents where a master makes appointments to various servants, and a NWT cross-reference points us to Matthew 25:
    (Matthew 25:14-30) . . .“For it is just like a man about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them. 15 He gave five talents to one, two to another, and one to still another, to each according to his own ability, and he went abroad. . . . 19 “After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them. 20 So the one who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, . . . 21 His master said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You were faithful over a few things. I will appoint you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 Next the one who had received the two talents . . . 23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You were faithful over a few things. I will appoint you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 “Finally the slave who had received the one talent . . . In reply his master said to him: ‘Wicked and sluggish slave, . . . 29 For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside.. . .
    It ends with an idea similar to the way Luke ends the parable of the faithful and wise steward:
    (Luke 12:48) . . .Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.
    In fact, we have a situation in several parables (marriage feast, where the idea is always that the Master makes an appointment over some of his belongings to his servants, and then the master departs to travel abroad, and then the master returns (at a time they didn't expect) and the Master judges those slaves.
    Another short one is in Mark (the doorkeeper), where Jesus gives authority to his slaves, to each one his work.
    (Mark 13:34) It is like a man traveling abroad who left his house and gave the authority to his slaves, to each one his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to keep on the watch. 35 Keep on the watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or before dawn or early in the morning, 36 in order that when he comes suddenly, he does not find you sleeping.
    Back when Jesus departed in 33 to travel abroad, these parables made more sense. After all he assigned persons like Peter to "feed his little sheep" in 33 CE and then departed. He then returned in 1914 or 1918 for an inspection (of the Temple) and judged a group as ready for a greater assignment. But now Jesus arrives in 1914, to makes an assignment, but remains present to arrive later to make a judgment and greater appointments over all his belongings. Obviously the whole thing was turned into a mess in order to twist 1914 and 1919 into the mix, but it doesn't work anymore, because Jesus never departs after making the assignments.
    And of course, in the Watchtower version, we have now eliminated the evil slave as a non-existent hypothetical, even though Jesus always considered two three or four or even more slaves, each one according to his work. The Watchtower avoids Luke's version altogether because it might require thinking about who is represented by the non-existent hypothetical second slave who gets punished severely, and the third non-existent hypothetical slave who gets many strokes, and the fourth non-existent hypothetical slave that gets few strokes.
    But here's the most indiscreet part:
    No one is declared the "faithful and wise servant" until after that judgment by Jesus. None of them were supposed to presumptuously claim that they were already to be identified as that slave and that any chance of becoming evil or punished is only hypothetical or non-existent. It's up to Jesus to make that judgment when he returns.
    And of course this points up another major flaw when we claim that this final judgment as faithful results in appointment over all his belongings. At this point, the Watchtower explains that we are no longer talking about the FDS anymore, but the time when ALL the anointed, the GB along with the other 143,966 anointed, are equally appointed over all his belongings at the same time. (With no concern over who those other classes of faithful, less faithful, and unfaithful servants might have been.)
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to JW Insider in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    Quite the opposite. I stated that I think the GB have a desire to do God's work and to obey God, and that they are worthy of double honor (especially as they work hard in speaking and teaching). They have reached out for the office of overseer, and as the scripture I quoted states, they are therefore desirous of a fine work. This is their goal, as I stated:
    Somehow you decided that this means they are not worthy?
    My concern was that a few of these men, evidently, have also succumbed to some ideas, based on doctrinal traditions that have been handed down to us since at least Rutherford's time. Those traditions include trying to maneuver 1914 into Jesus' parables even when it becomes clear that it won't work. They have therefore cornered themselves into making a declaration of their own righteousness and faithfulness in a presumptuous manner rather than faithfully and discreetly waiting upon Jesus to make that judgment.
    This is just a false step that our brothers have taken, presumably before they were aware of it. Many Witnesses have noticed this. I would assume that thousands have noticed this and are therefore concerned. In fact, I now think that the GB themselves are aware of this doctrinal conundrum and have begun trying to extricate themselves. The first step is admitting that it is presumptuous to declare a specific group or class as Jehovah's "sole channel." Then admitting that many of the doctrines through the years have been false, and that even current doctrines and procedures are subject to error.  And if we are aware of a false step, our responsibility is to say something.
    *** od p. 193 Part 2 Jehovah’s Righteous Requirements ***
    25. In addition to confessing his own sins, each person has what responsibility regarding serious wrongdoing by others that could threaten the spiritual or moral cleanness of the congregation?
    “If someone sins because he has heard a public call to testify and he is a witness or has seen or learned about it and he does not report it, then he will answer for his error.”—Lev. 5:1.
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Foreigner in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    ... think about how EFFECTIVE it would be if therapists just let patients beat the hell out of them for a half hour ....
    ... it probably works like that, both ways!
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Foreigner in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    More like the "man of five minutes" ... unless you are distracted by a squirrel outside your window.
    You have medallions?
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Sorry—took the ‘holding’ out and had you not had such an itchy trigger finger, it would not have tripped you up.
    After installation of anything, you usually have to call the workman back to polish it up a little. 
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Foreigner in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    " To the extent people think he is a Witness, he paints them as the most intolerant, rigid, and anger-prone people on the planet. " - TTH
    That is an incredibly IMPORTANT observation, that I also have considered at great length, as I have seen that many times in the secular world, and occasionally in the Truth.
    That is why I personally think it is VERY important that BillyTheKid46 come out of the closet, and declare whether or not his opinions are that of a Jehovah's Witness, and even whether or not he is a Watchtower Lawyer  ... specifically, himself. He is trying to sit on the fence, hide behind his fake avatar, and fake persona.
    I have often (every time he starts typing ..) thought that he is a bitter enemy of Jehovah's Witnesses, and an excellent psychologist, and deliberately portrays himself as a petulant, angry, demented, slow and  truly nasty person (when he may in actual fact be NONE of those things ...), in order to with reverse psychology make Jehovah's Witnesses look like all those things ... so that others are deliberately CHASED AWAY from any idea that they might want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    That's why I started my series of "Weasel" cartoons, to try and "force the issue", of having Billy declare who he REALLY is, behind his anonymous false front .... that he deliberately keeps as a false front to deceive, and mislead.
    I hope Billy clarifies this issue, and I would be heavily inclined to accept his clarification at face value, as stated.
    Years ago, I told a Brother who had come to visit me, that he might want to consider not doing so, as I was not a very good example of a Jehovah's Witness, officially, and hanging around me might get him in serious trouble with the Elders.
    .. I seem to have lost my train of thought ... but there is a lesson in there somewhere ....
    Fortunately, I have a stockpile of cartoons to get refocused on ....
     
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    ... think about how EFFECTIVE it would be if therapists just let patients beat the hell out of them for a half hour ....
    ... it probably works like that, both ways!
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from shizhanee laaleeli in My Weekend at the Watchtower Society's HQ: Warwick and Walkill   
    I scratched that, and it made my left foot jump up and down!
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from Foreigner in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    ...... I just cheeked this thread, all the way back to the beginning, and there are no "Weasel" series cartoons here, so that gives me a good excuse to post some of  them here, on THIS thread, which is already 11 pages.
     


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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JW Insider in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    " To the extent people think he is a Witness, he paints them as the most intolerant, rigid, and anger-prone people on the planet. " - TTH
    That is an incredibly IMPORTANT observation, that I also have considered at great length, as I have seen that many times in the secular world, and occasionally in the Truth.
    That is why I personally think it is VERY important that BillyTheKid46 come out of the closet, and declare whether or not his opinions are that of a Jehovah's Witness, and even whether or not he is a Watchtower Lawyer  ... specifically, himself. He is trying to sit on the fence, hide behind his fake avatar, and fake persona.
    I have often (every time he starts typing ..) thought that he is a bitter enemy of Jehovah's Witnesses, and an excellent psychologist, and deliberately portrays himself as a petulant, angry, demented, slow and  truly nasty person (when he may in actual fact be NONE of those things ...), in order to with reverse psychology make Jehovah's Witnesses look like all those things ... so that others are deliberately CHASED AWAY from any idea that they might want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    That's why I started my series of "Weasel" cartoons, to try and "force the issue", of having Billy declare who he REALLY is, behind his anonymous false front .... that he deliberately keeps as a false front to deceive, and mislead.
    I hope Billy clarifies this issue, and I would be heavily inclined to accept his clarification at face value, as stated.
    Years ago, I told a Brother who had come to visit me, that he might want to consider not doing so, as I was not a very good example of a Jehovah's Witness, officially, and hanging around me might get him in serious trouble with the Elders.
    .. I seem to have lost my train of thought ... but there is a lesson in there somewhere ....
    Fortunately, I have a stockpile of cartoons to get refocused on ....
     
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Suddenly the unthinkable has happened. JTR has become the wise and intrepid man of the thread—daring to go where no one has gone before 
     
    Can we set up some sort of a lending library program so that I can borrow some?
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Srecko Sostar in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    @James Thomas Rook Jr. perhaps Billy is double/triple  agent :)))
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    " To the extent people think he is a Witness, he paints them as the most intolerant, rigid, and anger-prone people on the planet. " - TTH
    That is an incredibly IMPORTANT observation, that I also have considered at great length, as I have seen that many times in the secular world, and occasionally in the Truth.
    That is why I personally think it is VERY important that BillyTheKid46 come out of the closet, and declare whether or not his opinions are that of a Jehovah's Witness, and even whether or not he is a Watchtower Lawyer  ... specifically, himself. He is trying to sit on the fence, hide behind his fake avatar, and fake persona.
    I have often (every time he starts typing ..) thought that he is a bitter enemy of Jehovah's Witnesses, and an excellent psychologist, and deliberately portrays himself as a petulant, angry, demented, slow and  truly nasty person (when he may in actual fact be NONE of those things ...), in order to with reverse psychology make Jehovah's Witnesses look like all those things ... so that others are deliberately CHASED AWAY from any idea that they might want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    That's why I started my series of "Weasel" cartoons, to try and "force the issue", of having Billy declare who he REALLY is, behind his anonymous false front .... that he deliberately keeps as a false front to deceive, and mislead.
    I hope Billy clarifies this issue, and I would be heavily inclined to accept his clarification at face value, as stated.
    Years ago, I told a Brother who had come to visit me, that he might want to consider not doing so, as I was not a very good example of a Jehovah's Witness, officially, and hanging around me might get him in serious trouble with the Elders.
    .. I seem to have lost my train of thought ... but there is a lesson in there somewhere ....
    Fortunately, I have a stockpile of cartoons to get refocused on ....
     
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    How do you know that ‘Judgement day’ is still a long way off yet?
    Didn’t you just base that on your previous assessment that God has not yet produced a true Anointed? It does not sound like much to hang one’s hat on.
    It wasn’t you.
    I don’t. You, too, have read it wrong. I guess John has a point. it is well to identify who you are talking about and not just leave that identification to the thread. Even those who you think are paying rapt attention are just waiting for the other blowhard to stop talking so that they can make their own speech.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to JOHN BUTLER in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    As far as the anointed, it’s true, it’s nobody’s business who is anointed or not.   This is BtK opinion.
    For my part I would need to know that the leaders of God's servants here on earth were Anointed and inspired of God's Holy Spirit.  It makes sense to me that the leaders need to be both. I do not care in the least if everyone of you on here disagree with me. Who knows, that could make me even more right ...  
    As 'Judgement day' is still a long way off yet, God has plenty of time to show the true Anointed and to prove they are inspired. 
    He did it with early Christians. Why would He not do it now ?  And I'm still happy with my view of 'ten men clinging to the hem of a Jew'. God, through Christ, will guide willing ones to the true Jew, the true Anointed. But He will do it when He is ready, not before.  
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to JOHN BUTLER in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Tom : Well, I think he already has picked, long before he came here, and from our point of view, it is not wise. 
    You do make life complicated when you don't mention who you are talking about. 
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to TrueTomHarley in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Well, I think he already has picked, long before he came here, and from our point of view, it is not wise. 
    It is one thing that I appreciate about Billy Flamethrower, even if I think he is doing nearly everything else all wrong—he does appreciate when choices have been made and he no longer entreats those who have made them.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to Witness in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    BTK:  "As far as the anointed, it’s true, it’s nobody’s business who is anointed or not. God will make his final decision when the time comes. On earth, there is only hope."
    "Now one thing you can signal out, is the behavior and action of someone calling themselves anointed. For those obvious reasons, those people are only fooling themselves."
     
    He just couldn't help making it his business.   Very God-like.  Isa 40:25
     
     
     
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Why do the elders have to announce when a publisher decides to spend 70 hours a month in service?   
    Child Report :  Billy the Kid, does not play well with others. 
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Why do the elders have to announce when a publisher decides to spend 70 hours a month in service?   
    ... AND NOW I RETURN THE  PROGRAM TO A SOMNAMBULISTIC  STATE OF OBLIVIOUS GLEE, PERCHANCE TO DREAM!....
    zzzzZZZZzzzzzz.
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    James Thomas Rook Jr. got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Why do the elders have to announce when a publisher decides to spend 70 hours a month in service?   
    ( ...suppresses a chuckle, and tries to keep a straight face ...)
    ...actually Billy, that is  spelled "heunk! heunk!" 
    Tiny European cars ... remember?

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