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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    That's not quite what he said in the excerpt. He said that Christ's presence will become revealed to people's 'eyes of understanding' over the next few decades, just like Christ's presence has been already been revealed to Russell and his fellow Bible Students living in 1881.
    Correct. If you read the context of the excerpt (that is why I gave a full reference so you can look it up), you will see that the Watch Tower was addressing the Second Advent Church's and others' expectations, based on Mother Shipton's prediction that Jesus would visibly come back in 1881.
    YES! Holly has already reproduced Russell's predictions.
    But regarding Christ's second coming or presence, my excerpt shows he rejected others' calculations about an impending second coming because he (really Barbour) had already calculated that the Lord's second coming or presence had happened invisibly 7 years earlier.
    He felt that Christ had been enthroned in 1878.
    "It will be remembered that after the spring of 1878, (when we understand Jesus was due as King) that the subject of holiness or the wedding garment, was very much agitated." - ZWT, January 1881, p. 4 [R180]

    As I say, learn your Watchtower history.
     
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    I am addressing Allen's misconceptions about Russell's beliefs. That is why I am reproducing Watchtower quotations, properly referenced so that anyone can read the surrounding material and check for themselves what was being taught. You will find that Allen makes erroneous statements that are corrected by the historical literature.
    Please do not confuse trolling with having an open discussion, which is what Holly and I are trying to do here. Challenging a view is not trolling. If you really want to see examples of troll-like behavior, you only need to read through Allen's posts. 
    So what? Well, Holly's thread is titled, 'The timing of Jesus' 2nd coming' and her OP asks whether that 2nd coming can be calculated through Bible chronology. Seeing as the Organization has a Bible-derived chronological scheme to calculate Jesus' 2nd coming or presence which was partly inherited from Russell and his friend Barbour, a discussion of Russell's beliefs are relevant to this wider topic.
    Allen asserted the same and I asked him to provide that 'proof.' He has yet to do so. Maybe you can give it a shot instead? 
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from The Librarian in ‘Why can a nun still be fully covered?’ (DEBATE on burqa & burkini ban)...   
    Another report:
    http:// http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/21/where-s-the-outrage-over-nun-beachwear.html

    VEILED THREAT
    Where’s the Outrage Over Nun Beachwear?
    While the French are banning Muslims in burqinis, Italian Catholic bishops find it ironic there’s alarm when a woman is “overdressed while swimming in the sea!” BARBIE LATZA NADEAU
    08.21.16 5:15 AM ET
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to TheWorldNewsOrg in ‘Why can a nun still be fully covered?’ (DEBATE on burqa & burkini ban)...   
    via TheWorldNewsOrgvia journal.theworldnewsmedia.org
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to admin in Synthetic blood trial coming in 2017   
    Now a group of scientists in the UK have claimed to have discovered the right way to manufacture synthetic blood and have even succeeded in doing so. The National Health Services of UK has announced its decision to start experimenting on synthetic blood in 2017 on a group pf 20 people. The blood substitutes are not meant to replace blood, the scientists said. Instead, synthetic blood is only meant to carry out the functions of actual blood wherever it fails. As such, synthetic blood transports oxygen.
     
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to HollyW in What exactly is a "professed" Christian?   
    Hi Moggy!  I guess using "professed" means they weren't real Christians.  It's puzzling why they were being put forth as positive examples for modern day JWs, as the article from 9/1/1951 is doing.
    The WTS really needs to rethink their whole 144,000 concept, not only because the numbers just don't add up, but because the Bible shows the 144,000 to be Jewish Evangelists on earth during the Great Tribulation, while the great crowd are Christian Martyrs in heaven, having been martyred during the Great Tribulation.
     
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to moggy in What exactly is a "professed" Christian?   
    Thank you for that excellent piece of research, Holly W. The math does not really stack up, objectively at least, no matter how much the Watchtower writers gainsay their approach to this subject.
    For instance, I presume their use of the expression "Professed Christians" is designed to militate against any imbalance in the numbers when aligned with modern day figures. But what exactly is a "professed" Christian? It is my understanding that the anonymous writers of Watchtower literature often refer to persons of authority within the Movement who professes to be of the anointed. So what then is a "professed anointed Christian" within the fellowship of the Watchtower?
    Just thinking allowed.
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    Actually, I provided Scriptures to help you understand 1st century Christians believed Jesus was already ruling (invisibly) amidst his enemies in their day, from as soon as Jesus ascended to heaven and sat down at his Father's right hand. - Acts 2:34-37; Eph. 1:20, 21; Heb. 10:12, 13; Rev. 3:21. Did you contemplate these cited texts? 
    I question a GLOBAL flood. You do see the nuanced distinction between questioning a GLOBAL flood and the flood per se, do you not? 
    Which ice age? There have been a few in Earth's 4.5 billion year history. Did the 'different scientists' date a world-wide flood to the 3rd millennium BCE?
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    You're speaking of Acts 1:9-11 where the disciples watched him visibly go into heaven:
    Acts 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
    But in 1914 the Bible Students were not aware of his return at all because they were saying he had already returned in 1874. 
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    Isn't it more likely that just as lightning is visible from east to west, that Jesus' return WILL be visible and that's why we aren't to believe those who say, 'Look! Here is the Christ', or "There!' or 'He is in the wilderness.'  Because He will be visible to all, 'every eye will see Him.'
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    JWs are the only ones who make the claim. Everyone else on the planet doesn't. It's down to JWs to provide the evidence for their claim. Do you have evidence? Copying and pasting swathes of text from WT publications with the occasional assertion nestling within them (along the lines of 'it happened because faith') ISN'T EVIDENCE.
    So Jesus was mistaken? You can calculate the time of his second presence ... kind of ... after the alleged event ... twice, because they miscalculated the first time ... but the second time is bang on ... honest.
    Don't you properly read your own c&p quotes, Allen?
    Doofus.
    JWs believe it was a global flood, right? How did some ancient Australian aboriginal, sitting there with his kangaroo, witness the building of an ark on the other side of the world (which reminds me of another question but we won't go there now)? I don't even think the Egyptians got the memo since they were busy building their pyramids and stuff. Neither did the Chinese, who were apparently oblivious to what Noah was doing and were happily perfecting their exquisite pottery. The phrase in Matt. 24:39 that the NWT and rNWT render "took no note" is literally "not they knew" (check the Kingdom Interlinear) or "they knew not" and uses the same word (ginōskō) as is found in John 17:3, which the NWT rendered "taking in knowledge" but the rNWT now translates as "coming to know." Jesus is telling his disciples that, just like in Noah's day when people (all around the world, right?) didn't 'come to know' when the Flood would be - and Noah himself only got a week's notice (Gen. 7:1-10) - Jesus' second presence will also be unpredictable.
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to Arauna in SPACEX explodes, incinerates $200mn Facebook satellite   
    Pity, it would have brought cheaper services to very poor communities in Africa...
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    As I said before, you have to first arrive/come to become present.
    Imagine a roll call in a classroom.
    The teacher calls, "Arauna?" No answer.
    The teacher calls again. Nothing. "I'll note her down as absent ..."
    A fellow student says, "Excuse me sir, Arauna is present. She's here." The teacher looks around then quizzically at her. The student continues, "She is present, it's just that she's not arrived at school yet."
    Teacher and class go 
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    *** w14 2/15 p. 27 Questions From Readers ***
    "Could the first-century Jews have calculated the time of the Messiah’s arrival on the basis of the prophecy of the 70 weeks recorded at Daniel 9:24-27? While that possibility cannot be ruled out, it cannot be confirmed. The fact is that there were many conflicting interpretations of the 70 weeks in Jesus’ day, and none come close to our present understanding."
    The application of the '70 weeks' prophecy to Jesus was a later Christian interpretation - not a Jewish one.
    The 1st century Christians believed Jesus was already ruling amidst his enemies in their day, from as soon as Jesus ascended to heaven and sat down at his Father's right hand. - Acts 2:34-37; Eph. 1:20, 21; Heb. 10:12, 13; Rev. 3:21.
    A person has to 'arrive' or 'come' first in order to be 'present' or 'alongside.' One cannot be present without having first arrived.
    Noah's contemporaries who were caught out by the Flood [literally] "did not know" when it would be, which is the whole point of Jesus likening those days to people not knowing the day and hour of Jesus' parousia.
     
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    LOL. All I'm saying, Arauna, is that you are prejudging and condemning the booklet without having read it.
    For everyone's information, Walmart also sells exposés of the LDS church, Scientology, Catholicism and yes, Islam.
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    I guess this would come close:

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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    And yet you haven't read the pamphlet. So you have no idea whether there is any truth or logic to what he argues or not.
    Iirc, Campbell was moved eventually to write his pamphlets (there's another one I know about) after an encounter with a regular pioneer who made him think about and research his own evangelical beliefs. And don't forget he wrote this booklet in 1990. Some of his criticisms may be outdated as the Org has changed its mind on several doctrines since then. You never know, there may be a teaching or two Campbell and JWs agree on now! 
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from Witness in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    And yet you haven't read the pamphlet. So you have no idea whether there is any truth or logic to what he argues or not.
    Iirc, Campbell was moved eventually to write his pamphlets (there's another one I know about) after an encounter with a regular pioneer who made him think about and research his own evangelical beliefs. And don't forget he wrote this booklet in 1990. Some of his criticisms may be outdated as the Org has changed its mind on several doctrines since then. You never know, there may be a teaching or two Campbell and JWs agree on now! 
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from Arauna in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    LOL. All I'm saying, Arauna, is that you are prejudging and condemning the booklet without having read it.
    For everyone's information, Walmart also sells exposés of the LDS church, Scientology, Catholicism and yes, Islam.
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from The Librarian in Wal*Mart and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    I guess this would come close:

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    Ann O'Maly reacted to Queen Esther in Hahahahahahaa.. He is imitating a cat ;o) The kitties are wondering ;o) ( video )   
    Hahahahahahaaa....  He  is  imitating  a  cat  ;o)   The  kitties  are  wondering !
    Animals  often  SO  cute.....
     
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    As the Watchtower referenced above stated, "there were many conflicting interpretations of the 70 weeks in Jesus’ day, and none come close to our present understanding." The first chronological application of the 70 weeks to Jesus was made in the 3rd century CE by Julius Africanus.
    There were other writings and chronological schemes apart from those in the book of Daniel that were fueling Jewish messianic expectations.
    E.g. see the following articles:
    http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_14.html#Two_messiahs
    http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_15.html
    Because ideas and interpretations varied so much, some Jews would have seen prophetic parallels with Jesus as a false messiah - especially when he made provocative statements that shook up the establishment. After all, Jesus wasn't the only 'messiah' knocking around at the time (cp. Acts 5:36, 37).
    It's a matter of historical record that anyone can check for himself - not opinion.
    In line with Holly's Scripture texts in the OP, which say Jesus' return cannot be calculated, the onus is on you as a JW defender to prove Christ did return and was enthroned in heaven in 1914. Go on. Give it your best shot.  
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    Ann O'Maly got a reaction from HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    Baloney. His and his successor's conclusions about the timing of Jesus' presence was retrospective. His ideas about 1914's future relevance in Bible prophecy were wrong. His 'Divine Plan' chronological scheme was all but abandoned after his death, with Rutherford eventually only retaining the date 1914, spiritualizing what were supposed to have been physical events (i.e. the Gentile governments being crushed to smithereens in Dan. 2:44 style), and making some new ill-fated predictions of his own.
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    Ann O'Maly reacted to HollyW in The timing of Jesus' 2nd Coming   
    Arauna, the scriptures in my OP speak directly to the timing of Jesus' Second coming, or Presence:
    Matthew 24:36-39 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. for the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.  For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
    Mark 13:32-37 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come.  It is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert.  Therefore, be on the alert---for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning---in case he should come suddenly and find you asleep.  What I say to you I say to all, 'Be on the alert!'"
    Acts 1:7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority.
    I notice you've not commented on them yet.  Maybe you could do so now.
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