- HENDERSON, Nv. – A Nevada man who claims he was abducted by aliens from outer space last month says his extraterrestrial kidnappers attempted to convert him to Christianity while he was aboard their spacecraft.
-----that should be enough to get the idea----
At any rate, you say that what finally came out of this, whether fake news or real, was "Yahwe" which of course was already one of the 12th century AD versions of the name that was sometimes printed as "Jahve" (and still is in some language translations: Dutch, German, etc.) If you have any links with evidence referring to any follow-up on this, then I will stop believing that "realnewsrightnow" is anything more than a fake news outlet which was likely intended by the author to show how gullible people are.
12 hours ago, alvi languore insanabili said:By this standard, Gerard Gertoux brings nothing new to the table, and he is certainly not a scholar to be admired for his work.
I'm not worried about admiring anyone for their work. I'm concerned about what kinds of evidence people who have studied the evidence have brought to the table. What he has brought is clearly something new in that it presents a different conclusion to some of the lines of evidence. I think you agree that it is different from the Watchtower's conclusions.
12 hours ago, alvi languore insanabili said:What interested me? How mindful it is not to have this scholars information violated when it is done with the Watchtower literature at every turn.
I don't wish to abuse anyone's copyrights. Whether the WTBTS, CCJW, Gertoux's, Wilkinson's, or any others. But I hope that more people will be exposed to the current lines of research out there to be able to either counter it, critique it, or even respect it. While I agree that the WTBTS copyrights have been abused all over the Internet, I doubt that the anonymous authors are really making an argument that quotations from Watchtower publications should be limited when it comes to attempting to fulfill our Christian obligation of: CONTINUALLY testing and proving our faith (2 Cor 13:5), pay CONSTANT attention to our teaching (1 Tim 4:16), and bringing out of our treasure store things both old and new (Matthew 13:52) , and NOT HOLDING BACK from telling publicly any of the things that are profitable (Acts 20:20), and not hiding things under a measuring basket but shouting them from the rooftops. (Matt 5:14-16, etc).
Early Christians, the New Testament and the Divine Name.
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I agree that John 17:26 must have been one of the literal ways in which John 1:19 was fulfilled. With the Hebrew Scriptures as the entire foundation upon which Jewish faith should have come to include faith in Jesus Christ, there were constant references to OT fulfillments that were known to have contained the Divine Name. Hundreds of references to the OT are found in the NT and it would have still been common knowledge that these included direct references to the Divine Name, even for those who would not themselves pronounce it (assuming that kyrios and theos, etc., were already contained in some of the first century manuscripts of the LXX from which Jesus may have read.)
But we can't forget that one of the arguments some scholars will throw back at us is the idea that goes in reverse of the above: that John 17:26 was fulfilled by John 1:19. In other words, that the term "your name" with reference to God was just another way to reference God. (So that Jesus made God's name known by making God known.) We already use the argument ourselves that "name" can mean the person, or the person's reputation, or the person's representation, when we come across verses like:
(Matthew 28:19) . . .Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and [in the name] of the Son and [in the name] of the holy spirit,
We don't have faith in the pronunciation of the consonants and vowels of the name "J-E-S-U-S" but we have faith in the person, the representation, and the reputation of Jesus. With reference to God, this argument could be doubled as God himself was already known as "The NAME" (Ha-Shem) even prior to the first century. See a possible Biblical example in Lev 24:11.
And of course, this idea might have a bearing on our understanding of the following:
(Acts 9:14-21) 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to put in bonds all those calling upon your name.” [Jesus] 15 But the Lord [Jesus] said to him: “Be on your way, because this man [Paul] is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I shall show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.” [Jesus] 17 So An·a·niʹas went off and entered into the house, and he laid his hands upon him and said: “Saul, brother, the Lord, the Jesus that appeared to you on the road over which you were coming, has sent me forth, in order that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit.” . . . 20 and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach Jesus, that this One is the Son of God. 21 But all those hearing him gave way to astonishment and would say: “Is this not the man that ravaged those in Jerusalem who call upon this name, and that had come here for this very purpose. . .
And of course:
There are plenty of other and better examples showing that "name" clearly means "reputation" (Revelation 3:1, etc) but I wanted to include especially those that would become difficult to explain about "the name of Jesus" if it were literally the term "Jesus" (or a variation) that was meant. To be consistent, then, some of the references to the "name of Jehovah" in both OT and NT cannot simply mean the term "Jehovah" or another variation of it.