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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Whatever happened to Watchtower Farms?   
    It is still there, much expanded, and when we visited a few years ago, was where the literature was printed. So far as I know, printing moved out of Brooklyn many years previous to its sale—perhaps some specialty things were printed there, but no more than that, and Patterson has never been used for printing.
    They did stop growing food there ages ago, having decided it could be purchased more economically, all factors considered. It used to be as you entered on the main road, residence buildings were on your left, and various fields of produce, along with a barn or three, were on your right. There was no printery at all.
    ’Davey the kid,’ who I have written about a few times, and who appears in the afterword of Tom Irregardless and Me, worked in the cheese room there. He later published a book on cheese-making. He and a few other Bethelites formed ‘The Farmhand Band’ and would entertain others of the family—perhaps even those outside. I tagged along a time or two as others who knew him went down to visit, though in time we would serve together as elders in an outside congregation.
    He was one of those enormously talented brothers that everything he touched turned to gold. Walking into the 8-story Medical Arts building in Rochester—for upon leaving Bethel, he had to make a living—in order to secure the cleaning contract, the manager noted some areas of particular challenge, but then conceded that he didn’t know much about cleaning. ‘That makes two of us!’ Davey told me his (unspoken) reaction later, as he wowed the fellow with pure charm. “It’s my gift,” he told me later, “they never say no.”
    He built a Kingdom Hall in Rochester, built another one, and then an Assembly Hall. Of course, it wasn’t all him—there were committees, but he was always the go-to driving force, if only because he seemed never at a loss as to what to do, while others needed time to get their heads around new things. During the Assembly Hall build, he got tired of putting out ‘cleaning fires,’ as he would call them, which would take him away to the telephone. So he took some college courses, accumulated enormous college credit via ‘life experiences’ and emerged a psychotherapist. I would joke with him that—poor fellow that he was, he always suspected that half of us were nuts, and now that he had become a psychotherapist he discovers that even the half that he thought were sane—they’re nuts, too.
    He told me of the respect he had gained for the college courses with regard to psychology. He had entered upon the coursework assuming that it would be all necessary drivel, but he presently said, ‘Hey, I am not doing some of these things myself’ and benefited accordingly. 
    He died a while back and so this is more-or-less an obituary that I did not intend when I started this remark—thanks for giving me the prod. His wife has died, too.  And to think that Davey made major waves in his non-believing family, for he by-passed a full university scholarship for the sake of enrolling as a pioneer. He wasn’t exactly typical.
    (Srecko’s link is of ‘Mountain Farms’ the original location of Gilead—much smaller and far removed from the other three complexes.)
     
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    JW Insider reacted to Srecko Sostar in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    What ever would be object/subject of our looking .... we are able to make that particular look to be sin of various gradation and intensity . Well, as imperfect or perfect human we shall be involved in particular situation and be in deep .....
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    JW Insider reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    I had a few thoughts.
    Matthew 5 v 28 Berean Study Bible
    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    I presume this was aimed at men, and I would presume this also would apply if a woman were to lust after a man that she was not married to. 
    So I did wonder, when a person masturbates would they be thinking about a specific other person. Thus they would be lusting after that other person, thereby committing either fornication or adultery in their heart. 
    And if they were thinking about a person of their same sex, maybe they would be committing homosexuality in their heart. 
    But if we are honest, we all know that at the time of teenage years the body goes through physical and emotional changes. Whist masturbation may be regarded as wrong, I think both God and Christ understand and are more merciful and forgiving. 
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    I agree. It was wrong. Stupid wrong, and "creepy" wrong. But it's still good to be accurate.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    Scripturally, she could get out. Separation is always possible. But she was not free to remarry. So this often became a matter of not being able to get out of a marriage, economically.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    Not completely ignored, though:
    https://religionnews.com/2020/02/28/jehovahs-witnesses-complete-entire-bible-in-american-sign-language/
    https://religionnews.com/2019/09/17/eritrea-has-held-three-jehovahs-witnesses-in-jail-for-25-years/
    https://religionnews.com/2019/11/04/worlds-most-widely-translated-website-jw-org-features-content-in-1000-languages/
    https://religionnews.com/2019/02/08/six-year-prison-sentence-for-jehovahs-witness-in-russia-sparks-outcry/
    https://religionnews.com/2018/01/10/ex-mormon-launches-faithleaks-to-root-out-abuse-and-corruption-in-churches/
    Here's a link to about 20 of their articles from the last 3 years (about JWs):
    https://religionnews.com/tag/jehovahs-witnesses/
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    One of them is not JW per se, but is of someone who wrote a book on how to refute them, along with the Mormons, latching on to key scriptures cites and how to answer back.
    Bring it on, I say. Any Witness worth his salt knows how to answer such things.
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Overlooked by the Religion News Service—How Can That Be?   
    That is the moral of the post that you stated more succinctly than I. In a list of “the religions of the world,” we are not on it.
    If you were to ask Bethel to describe their faith, very quickly would come up that statement that true Christians “are no part of the world.”
    Make of it what you will. I don’t make anything of it. I just note it.
     
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    JW Insider reacted to Thinking in Just read a good portion of B W Schulz new book. "Separate Identity" Volume 2.   
    Thanks  I have been able to get hold of them...big read ahead I suppose 
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    JW Insider reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue FaithLeaks Owners Over Convention Videos   
    I would be stunned if the WTB&TS, et al, was successful in their lawsuits, as in the United States the concept of "whistleblowers" is held in very high regard, and the "Fair Use Doctrine" of U.S. copyright law is interpreted very liberally.
    There is a lot to be said and considered on this matter, and an excellent source is WIKIPEDIA.
    .... want to be smarter and well informed on this specific issue?
    Read THIS:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
    I personally think we should be proud of every thing we say and do, and not object if someone else shouts it from the housetops.
    If we SHOULD be ashamed of anything we have published, and the "Pillowgate" videos immediately come to mind, it is ONLY by public disclosure that whatever it is, that it will ever change.
    Sometime  around the 1960's, at Assemblies, we used to have a Public Relations Department set up, but they changed the name to News Service, because PR was asking for something, and NS was giving away something for free.
    Their lawsuit will generate more publicity by a factor of at least X 100, than ever existed before ... and when all is said and done, and if the WTB&TS wins the lawsuits ( improbable at best ..) it will NOT stop Brothers from leaking these videos to others, or them publishing them, actually IN the public interest, to anybody who has a computer and a piece of free software, such as "Freemake Video Downloader:.
    That genie left the bottle a long time ago.
     
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Paul didn’t write it this flowery.
    It’s a little too soon to tell.
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Just read a good portion of B W Schulz new book. "Separate Identity" Volume 2.   
    de Vienne wrote that when she submitted the final Volume I to Bethel, via mail I suppose, they received it without comment. She speculated about this and one possibility she advanced was that they ‘were incurious about their own history.’ In the main, I think this is true. They don’t look back all that much at Bethel—they look forward. 
    And it is also true of me. It is not that the past history does not interest me. It is that so many things interest me more that I may never get around to it, even though I would like to. I read the book rather quickly because I told her I would write a review of it, which I did. Maybe someday I will come back to it more thoroughly. 
    One other reviewer wrote of the authors’ “almost fanatical attention to detail.” That was also my general impression and it makes me suppose the book is probably the foremost authority on what it writes. They don’t appear to have any agenda at all, other than illuminating history—unlike almost everyone else who weighs in on the subject.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in China’s “bat woman” Zhengli SHI, seeking asylum in US embassy in France. CCP likely done if this is true.   
    As you say, it may be nothing more than a rumor. Anything asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. So we can just wait for the evidence before concluding anything. Of course, it is also very important to various groups and political entities to make sure there is a CURRENT negative story about China available at all times. Most of these turn out to be nothing or untrue, but just having the story out there, no matter how short-lived, is important to skew opinion. So if this one is untrue, then it adds to a growing list of failed propaganda stories against China.
    The CCP enjoys overwhelming support from Chinese people of varying class and wealth within all parts of China, so that even a terrible scandal would probably not have much effect on its stability. Within China the President (Xi) has been given high ratings for many years. The Chinese view of their own economy, the reduction of poverty, "peace and security," ease of transportation, even their own "human rights" are important to them.
    If such a scandal turns out to be true, it would probably have to be leveraged from political and economic forces outside the country before it had enough of an effect inside China to bring down a popular political party.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from TheWorldNewsOrg in China’s “bat woman” Zhengli SHI, seeking asylum in US embassy in France. CCP likely done if this is true.   
    As you say, it may be nothing more than a rumor. Anything asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. So we can just wait for the evidence before concluding anything. Of course, it is also very important to various groups and political entities to make sure there is a CURRENT negative story about China available at all times. Most of these turn out to be nothing or untrue, but just having the story out there, no matter how short-lived, is important to skew opinion. So if this one is untrue, then it adds to a growing list of failed propaganda stories against China.
    The CCP enjoys overwhelming support from Chinese people of varying class and wealth within all parts of China, so that even a terrible scandal would probably not have much effect on its stability. Within China the President (Xi) has been given high ratings for many years. The Chinese view of their own economy, the reduction of poverty, "peace and security," ease of transportation, even their own "human rights" are important to them.
    If such a scandal turns out to be true, it would probably have to be leveraged from political and economic forces outside the country before it had enough of an effect inside China to bring down a popular political party.
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    JW Insider reacted to The Librarian in JW's of Long Island, New York Visiting the Elderly ones during the Pandemic   
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    JW Insider reacted to The Librarian in HERMANOS DE LONG ISLAND NUEVA YORK...   
    Estuvieron visitando y estimulando a nuestros hermanos mayores de edad ❤✔

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    JW Insider reacted to Evacuated in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Whilst this an excellent contextual question, the apostles' understanding of what Jesus said is hardly a sole criteria for understanding what Jesus said, John 14:9.
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    JW Insider reacted to Evacuated in Jehovah's Witnesses with covid-19 - announcement at Bethel   
    https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/global/International-Brotherhood-Comforts-Those-Impacted-by-Deadly-Pandemic/
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Wasn’t that the day that JTR quit Bethel?
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    JW Insider got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    At Bethel in Brooklyn all brothers would be periodically assigned to either a few hours of after-dinner dish duty or a whole night of guard duty, which entailed walking through totally dark floors in the factories at Squibb (25/30 Columbia Heights) or the 4 main factories at 117 Adams. You would try not to bump into anything as you searched for "key boxes" with a flashlight. Then you'd turn a key and go on to find the next key box, using a page of ambiguous instructions instead of a map. If all the key boxes were hit correctly and in a timely manner every night, the Society could save a lot on insurance. Being the kind of non-sleeper that I am, I never did dish duty, and always swapped it for guard duty.
    I was shown where a brother, 20-some years earlier, emptied 6 rounds into a roll of printing paper because he didn't know that rolls of paper can expand and contract due to temperature changes and the pops they make can sound like gunfire. 25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's, I'm not sure. It probably stopped soon after that shootout with the paper roll. 
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    JW Insider got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    At Bethel in Brooklyn all brothers would be periodically assigned to either a few hours of after-dinner dish duty or a whole night of guard duty, which entailed walking through totally dark floors in the factories at Squibb (25/30 Columbia Heights) or the 4 main factories at 117 Adams. You would try not to bump into anything as you searched for "key boxes" with a flashlight. Then you'd turn a key and go on to find the next key box, using a page of ambiguous instructions instead of a map. If all the key boxes were hit correctly and in a timely manner every night, the Society could save a lot on insurance. Being the kind of non-sleeper that I am, I never did dish duty, and always swapped it for guard duty.
    I was shown where a brother, 20-some years earlier, emptied 6 rounds into a roll of printing paper because he didn't know that rolls of paper can expand and contract due to temperature changes and the pops they make can sound like gunfire. 25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's, I'm not sure. It probably stopped soon after that shootout with the paper roll. 
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    JW Insider got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    At Bethel in Brooklyn all brothers would be periodically assigned to either a few hours of after-dinner dish duty or a whole night of guard duty, which entailed walking through totally dark floors in the factories at Squibb (25/30 Columbia Heights) or the 4 main factories at 117 Adams. You would try not to bump into anything as you searched for "key boxes" with a flashlight. Then you'd turn a key and go on to find the next key box, using a page of ambiguous instructions instead of a map. If all the key boxes were hit correctly and in a timely manner every night, the Society could save a lot on insurance. Being the kind of non-sleeper that I am, I never did dish duty, and always swapped it for guard duty.
    I was shown where a brother, 20-some years earlier, emptied 6 rounds into a roll of printing paper because he didn't know that rolls of paper can expand and contract due to temperature changes and the pops they make can sound like gunfire. 25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's, I'm not sure. It probably stopped soon after that shootout with the paper roll. 
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Just read a good portion of B W Schulz new book. "Separate Identity" Volume 2.   
    Separate Identity: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion's Watch Tower: 1870-1887. Volume 2. Culture and Organization
    by B W Schulz     A Separate Identity: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion's Watch Tower: 1870-1887
    by B. W. Schulz   Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet
    by B. W. Schulz
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Anna in Was Saint Peter ever in Rome?   
    There is nothing in the Bible itself about that. There are a few traditions about Peter and Rome, but they are mostly from a couple hundred years after the events would have taken place. And these traditions are often contradictory. The Bible is much more consistent and was written almost completely in the same century when Peter lived.
    Some of those traditions had the Gospel writer Mark as his secretary, but the Bible does not speak of either of them in Rome. The closest is this verse:
    (1 Peter 5:13, 14) 13 She who is in Babylon, a chosen one like you, sends you her greetings, and so does Mark, my son. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.. . .
    Since Peter was married, the "she" here is often thought of as referring to his wife, and Babylon is sometimes thought of as a pseudonym for Rome. But we also know that there was still a thriving Jewish population in the actual area of Babylon, so a pseudonym for Rome is not a definite explanation here.
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