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    JW Insider got a reaction from Thinking in UKRAINE: Historical Context PRIOR to the Current Russia-Ukraine Conflict   
    In the event of war, American main-stream media (MSM) becomes State Media. MSM outlets can become partisan on public bipartisan issues and might lose half their population of listeners, but at least they believe they will gain loyalty from the remaining half. But with the State apparatus pushing against a common national enemy or antagonist, these outlets can't afford to be seen as anti-American. Today, even attempts at neutrality are seen recently as pro-Putin, and therefore anti-American.  BBC journalists who just recently exposed the corruption of ultra-nationalists at all levels of the Ukrainian government are already re-writing their position to claim it's a recently coined "Putin myth." Wikipedia articles that discussed Russian issues with Ukraine, Georgia and Crimea have been undergoing very recent changes in the last few weeks, even to the point of re-titling links and names of newspaper articles so that it appears they were saying the opposite of what they originally said.
     
    So I thought it would be a good idea to review some of the well-documented history, even as that "history" changes before our eyes.
     
    For the first part, I'll deal mostly with the early background.
     
    1930s through WW2:
    The German Nazis worked with the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) in order to sabotage, destabilize, and hopefully destroy the Soviet Union. Prior to WW2, the US and UK had not decided which side they would support in the event of war, and Churchill was ready to side with the "Axis Powers" wanting Germany to invade the USSR. Thus, pre-WW2, the US and UK supported the OUN. Immediately after WW2, the US and UK began supporting the OUN again. The OUN's UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) had been guilty of dozens of horrendous massacres, including the rounding up of Jews in barns,  for example, and then burning them alive in those locked barns. There is a direct link between this practice and the praise of OUN leaders by the current Ukrainian Nazis. In fact, during the Euromaidan uprising (around 2014), one of the most famous repetitions of this practice was the rounding up of about 50 counter-protesters into a building, and burning them alive in Odessa. 
     
    To get a better understanding of OUN history, one can look up Category:War crimes committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army  Here there are links to articles about nearly 20 of the more famous Nazi war crimes and massacres committed by this Ukrainian army. Under Stepan Bandera, the OUN massacred Jews, Russians and communists. The Ukrainian Nazis established a so-called independent government allied with Germany and joined Hitler's attacks. They led their end of the Holocaust and pledged allegiance to Hitler, while Hitler's invasion of the USSR (1941) ultimately resulted in the deaths of about 26,000,000 Soviets and communists. By the end of the war, the OUN was forced "underground." 
     
    Stepan Bandera's name is still celebrated in Ukraine. The anniversary of his birth is celebrated. His picture is still carried. Streets are named after him. Imagine if every major US city had streets and avenues named "Hitler Boulevard."  President Zelensky himself has been forced to acknowledge Bandera's "hero" status, although appears very uncomfortable about the number of streets named after Bandera:
     
    "There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine. But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right," 
     
    The commonly heard Ukrainian chant: "Glory to the Heroes" is actually a reference to the WW2-era Ukrainian "Nazi heroes" and has become the equivalent of the "Sieg Heil" among modern Ukrainian Nazis. 
     
    There are dozens of modern pictures of Ukrainians with Nazi swastikas and other Nazi symbols. I won't put them here, but it's easy to find pictures of single large rallies with all these things at once, including the Svoboda party, Right Sektor, the red-black OUN flag, images of Stepan Bandera, and the "Sieg-Heil" salute. Of course, there are also pictures of American politicians (e.g., John McCain) standing with members of these same white supremacist, nationalist parties.
    https://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/
     
    In spite of the bad optics, the US and Ukraine were the only two countries that voted against a UN resolution condemning Nazism and Neo-Nazism just a few months ago (December 2021). Overwhelmingly, 130 countries voted in favor. Why not just abstain like several other countries, including Germany and all members of the EU, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand? It's because Russia is among the 30+ co-sponsors of the anti-Nazi resolution every year since 2015. And the US always votes against it, and US allies also feel they must abstain. As this article points out: https://countercurrents.org/2021/12/u-s-and-ukraine-only-two-countries-vote-against-un-resolution-condemning-nazism/  
     
    On December 16, the UN General Assembly passed its annual resolution on “Combating Glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” with 130 countries voting in favor and only two in opposition. . . .
    Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.
    Russia has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in UKRAINE: Historical Context PRIOR to the Current Russia-Ukraine Conflict   
    In the event of war, American main-stream media (MSM) becomes State Media. MSM outlets can become partisan on public bipartisan issues and might lose half their population of listeners, but at least they believe they will gain loyalty from the remaining half. But with the State apparatus pushing against a common national enemy or antagonist, these outlets can't afford to be seen as anti-American. Today, even attempts at neutrality are seen recently as pro-Putin, and therefore anti-American.  BBC journalists who just recently exposed the corruption of ultra-nationalists at all levels of the Ukrainian government are already re-writing their position to claim it's a recently coined "Putin myth." Wikipedia articles that discussed Russian issues with Ukraine, Georgia and Crimea have been undergoing very recent changes in the last few weeks, even to the point of re-titling links and names of newspaper articles so that it appears they were saying the opposite of what they originally said.
     
    So I thought it would be a good idea to review some of the well-documented history, even as that "history" changes before our eyes.
     
    For the first part, I'll deal mostly with the early background.
     
    1930s through WW2:
    The German Nazis worked with the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) in order to sabotage, destabilize, and hopefully destroy the Soviet Union. Prior to WW2, the US and UK had not decided which side they would support in the event of war, and Churchill was ready to side with the "Axis Powers" wanting Germany to invade the USSR. Thus, pre-WW2, the US and UK supported the OUN. Immediately after WW2, the US and UK began supporting the OUN again. The OUN's UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) had been guilty of dozens of horrendous massacres, including the rounding up of Jews in barns,  for example, and then burning them alive in those locked barns. There is a direct link between this practice and the praise of OUN leaders by the current Ukrainian Nazis. In fact, during the Euromaidan uprising (around 2014), one of the most famous repetitions of this practice was the rounding up of about 50 counter-protesters into a building, and burning them alive in Odessa. 
     
    To get a better understanding of OUN history, one can look up Category:War crimes committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army  Here there are links to articles about nearly 20 of the more famous Nazi war crimes and massacres committed by this Ukrainian army. Under Stepan Bandera, the OUN massacred Jews, Russians and communists. The Ukrainian Nazis established a so-called independent government allied with Germany and joined Hitler's attacks. They led their end of the Holocaust and pledged allegiance to Hitler, while Hitler's invasion of the USSR (1941) ultimately resulted in the deaths of about 26,000,000 Soviets and communists. By the end of the war, the OUN was forced "underground." 
     
    Stepan Bandera's name is still celebrated in Ukraine. The anniversary of his birth is celebrated. His picture is still carried. Streets are named after him. Imagine if every major US city had streets and avenues named "Hitler Boulevard."  President Zelensky himself has been forced to acknowledge Bandera's "hero" status, although appears very uncomfortable about the number of streets named after Bandera:
     
    "There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine. But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right," 
     
    The commonly heard Ukrainian chant: "Glory to the Heroes" is actually a reference to the WW2-era Ukrainian "Nazi heroes" and has become the equivalent of the "Sieg Heil" among modern Ukrainian Nazis. 
     
    There are dozens of modern pictures of Ukrainians with Nazi swastikas and other Nazi symbols. I won't put them here, but it's easy to find pictures of single large rallies with all these things at once, including the Svoboda party, Right Sektor, the red-black OUN flag, images of Stepan Bandera, and the "Sieg-Heil" salute. Of course, there are also pictures of American politicians (e.g., John McCain) standing with members of these same white supremacist, nationalist parties.
    https://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/
     
    In spite of the bad optics, the US and Ukraine were the only two countries that voted against a UN resolution condemning Nazism and Neo-Nazism just a few months ago (December 2021). Overwhelmingly, 130 countries voted in favor. Why not just abstain like several other countries, including Germany and all members of the EU, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand? It's because Russia is among the 30+ co-sponsors of the anti-Nazi resolution every year since 2015. And the US always votes against it, and US allies also feel they must abstain. As this article points out: https://countercurrents.org/2021/12/u-s-and-ukraine-only-two-countries-vote-against-un-resolution-condemning-nazism/  
     
    On December 16, the UN General Assembly passed its annual resolution on “Combating Glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” with 130 countries voting in favor and only two in opposition. . . .
    Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.
    Russia has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
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    JW Insider reacted to Anna in UKRAINE: Historical Context PRIOR to the Current Russia-Ukraine Conflict   
    Thanks for your analysis JWI. All I can say is Satan has his grubby fingers in everything. It's hard to know what are facts and what is fake. So much corruption in every facet of life...
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Just remember both sides are part of the wild beast!  And they do act like beasts - bloody and with cunning.
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    JW Insider reacted to Space Merchant in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Possibly. Because the majority are aware Jehovah's Witnesses are not taking sides politically, but when it comes to War and War-time efforts, they are neutral, as most are who oppose war. The Bystander Effect may be an accusation in relation to those who do not participate in the War between Russia and Ukraine, and the Propaganda tends to spill over to those types, even some who see the wrong in both Presidents of those countries.
    As we speak, there is Racism and Discrimination on the rise in the EU, surprisingly, pertaining to Blacks and Russians.
    That being said, the Cancel Culture aspect is ridiculous. I don't see how banning Russian cats or taking a Russian Futball team out of a video game is going to change Putin's mind.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Anna in UKRAINE: Historical Context PRIOR to the Current Russia-Ukraine Conflict   
    In the event of war, American main-stream media (MSM) becomes State Media. MSM outlets can become partisan on public bipartisan issues and might lose half their population of listeners, but at least they believe they will gain loyalty from the remaining half. But with the State apparatus pushing against a common national enemy or antagonist, these outlets can't afford to be seen as anti-American. Today, even attempts at neutrality are seen recently as pro-Putin, and therefore anti-American.  BBC journalists who just recently exposed the corruption of ultra-nationalists at all levels of the Ukrainian government are already re-writing their position to claim it's a recently coined "Putin myth." Wikipedia articles that discussed Russian issues with Ukraine, Georgia and Crimea have been undergoing very recent changes in the last few weeks, even to the point of re-titling links and names of newspaper articles so that it appears they were saying the opposite of what they originally said.
     
    So I thought it would be a good idea to review some of the well-documented history, even as that "history" changes before our eyes.
     
    For the first part, I'll deal mostly with the early background.
     
    1930s through WW2:
    The German Nazis worked with the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) in order to sabotage, destabilize, and hopefully destroy the Soviet Union. Prior to WW2, the US and UK had not decided which side they would support in the event of war, and Churchill was ready to side with the "Axis Powers" wanting Germany to invade the USSR. Thus, pre-WW2, the US and UK supported the OUN. Immediately after WW2, the US and UK began supporting the OUN again. The OUN's UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) had been guilty of dozens of horrendous massacres, including the rounding up of Jews in barns,  for example, and then burning them alive in those locked barns. There is a direct link between this practice and the praise of OUN leaders by the current Ukrainian Nazis. In fact, during the Euromaidan uprising (around 2014), one of the most famous repetitions of this practice was the rounding up of about 50 counter-protesters into a building, and burning them alive in Odessa. 
     
    To get a better understanding of OUN history, one can look up Category:War crimes committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army  Here there are links to articles about nearly 20 of the more famous Nazi war crimes and massacres committed by this Ukrainian army. Under Stepan Bandera, the OUN massacred Jews, Russians and communists. The Ukrainian Nazis established a so-called independent government allied with Germany and joined Hitler's attacks. They led their end of the Holocaust and pledged allegiance to Hitler, while Hitler's invasion of the USSR (1941) ultimately resulted in the deaths of about 26,000,000 Soviets and communists. By the end of the war, the OUN was forced "underground." 
     
    Stepan Bandera's name is still celebrated in Ukraine. The anniversary of his birth is celebrated. His picture is still carried. Streets are named after him. Imagine if every major US city had streets and avenues named "Hitler Boulevard."  President Zelensky himself has been forced to acknowledge Bandera's "hero" status, although appears very uncomfortable about the number of streets named after Bandera:
     
    "There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine. But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right," 
     
    The commonly heard Ukrainian chant: "Glory to the Heroes" is actually a reference to the WW2-era Ukrainian "Nazi heroes" and has become the equivalent of the "Sieg Heil" among modern Ukrainian Nazis. 
     
    There are dozens of modern pictures of Ukrainians with Nazi swastikas and other Nazi symbols. I won't put them here, but it's easy to find pictures of single large rallies with all these things at once, including the Svoboda party, Right Sektor, the red-black OUN flag, images of Stepan Bandera, and the "Sieg-Heil" salute. Of course, there are also pictures of American politicians (e.g., John McCain) standing with members of these same white supremacist, nationalist parties.
    https://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/
     
    In spite of the bad optics, the US and Ukraine were the only two countries that voted against a UN resolution condemning Nazism and Neo-Nazism just a few months ago (December 2021). Overwhelmingly, 130 countries voted in favor. Why not just abstain like several other countries, including Germany and all members of the EU, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand? It's because Russia is among the 30+ co-sponsors of the anti-Nazi resolution every year since 2015. And the US always votes against it, and US allies also feel they must abstain. As this article points out: https://countercurrents.org/2021/12/u-s-and-ukraine-only-two-countries-vote-against-un-resolution-condemning-nazism/  
     
    On December 16, the UN General Assembly passed its annual resolution on “Combating Glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance” with 130 countries voting in favor and only two in opposition. . . .
    Sponsored by Russia and more than 30 other UN members, the resolution expresses concern about any form of glorifying Nazism, including putting up monuments and holding public parades honoring the Waffen SS – combat units within Nazi Germany’s military – or declaring them national liberation movements, among other things.
    Russia has long taken issue with Ukraine and the three Baltic states – Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia – honoring individuals and organizations affiliated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Understanding some of the misleading information often requires a more detailed understanding of the overall problems. Otherwise anyone who even slightly contradicts the existing narrative in the West will just be seen as a Russo-phile or Putin puppet, etc.
    And then there are the American and British leftist voices who just can't stand it when US or UK intelligence services get something right, because their greatest hope (I guess) is to poke fun at the foibles of the West and pretend they knew all along that their own voices were right and big Imperialist/Capitalist voices were always wrong. It's sad and funny to watch some of these Marxists apologize for getting it wrong almost as if they were sure that Putin would only do something that would be completely defensible, or that he would show more morality than the US.  Putin may have had many reasons for doing what he did, but that doesn't mean there is any reason to try to defend him. As usual, leaders like him go well beyond anything that might be considered just and moral, usually to score points for their own nationalism, home politics, personal ego, etc.
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    What is gather is that the GB warned brothers to leave Ukraine and it seems there are no longer safe corridors to leave.  One should leave as early as possible.
    If America warns its citizens it is because they fear harassment or even worse from Russian citizens and the government. Our brothers may leave and spill over the borders a.s.a.p to get away from the persecution. 
    America is not yet in the war and does not intend to join officially (only supplying arms) - but then consider, they did not intend to enter any of the previous world wars. 
    Alliances are being made - smaller countries are being forced to say on which side they are on.
    Depopulation agenda....and so much suffering.
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    JW Insider reacted to Pudgy in Daniel 11:44 - King of the North   
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    100%. It is the theory promoted by the Grayzone crew (Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, etc.) and the one that Jimmy Dore promotes along with those same guests. The idea was discussed as early as 2015, and hinted at among US politicians since then. Recall that President Biden's son was paid millions by a gas company in Ukraine (and not because he had any experience). Also what Zelensky called his first "gift" to President Biden was to cut off the TV stations in Ukraine that served Russian-speaking Ukrainians. (Also recall that while Trump was being accused -rightly- for quid pro quo politically self-serving negotiations with Ukraine, Biden had already bragged about his own quid pro quo negotiations for political gain.)
    Instead of pointing back to those "Dore" Youtube videos, I wanted to point to the Grayzone directly, but their own commentary tends to be more serious, and often longer. So, if people can stand Dore's style, his ability to collect the bullet points, is easier for most people to get through.
    I thought this one was useful:
    Of course, more serious discussions had been going on for years with Steven Cohen (the late Russian Expert) and John Miersheimer as early as 2015 (below), who make the direct connection to Germany:
    Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer:
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Anna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    If people can put up with extremely foul language, there are some very "funny" videos from a person who makes his living off making scammers angry. About three days ago, my son was here and I had just shown my wife a nearly sure-fire way to make phone scammers angry, and while I was explaining the method, I got the same kind of scammer, and I tried it, and this time I let the scammer go on screaming (FOR 25 MINUTES!!!) about what he was going to do to me (and my wife) and we thought it was hilarious. But my son then told me about this expert I had never heard of who uses all kinds of methods, and even has a video about how he has ranked some of latest "victims" in order of their anger:
    But that's not why I bring him up. In exposing scams he just did one about the "Propaganda Scams" going on to promote the war against Russia in Ukraine:
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    100%. It is the theory promoted by the Grayzone crew (Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, etc.) and the one that Jimmy Dore promotes along with those same guests. The idea was discussed as early as 2015, and hinted at among US politicians since then. Recall that President Biden's son was paid millions by a gas company in Ukraine (and not because he had any experience). Also what Zelensky called his first "gift" to President Biden was to cut off the TV stations in Ukraine that served Russian-speaking Ukrainians. (Also recall that while Trump was being accused -rightly- for quid pro quo politically self-serving negotiations with Ukraine, Biden had already bragged about his own quid pro quo negotiations for political gain.)
    Instead of pointing back to those "Dore" Youtube videos, I wanted to point to the Grayzone directly, but their own commentary tends to be more serious, and often longer. So, if people can stand Dore's style, his ability to collect the bullet points, is easier for most people to get through.
    I thought this one was useful:
    Of course, more serious discussions had been going on for years with Steven Cohen (the late Russian Expert) and John Miersheimer as early as 2015 (below), who make the direct connection to Germany:
    Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer:
     
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    JW Insider reacted to Thinking in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Mersheimer is excellent to listen too…his very latest update on the situation is spot on……so is Hanson….common sense speaking 
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    100%. It is the theory promoted by the Grayzone crew (Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, etc.) and the one that Jimmy Dore promotes along with those same guests. The idea was discussed as early as 2015, and hinted at among US politicians since then. Recall that President Biden's son was paid millions by a gas company in Ukraine (and not because he had any experience). Also what Zelensky called his first "gift" to President Biden was to cut off the TV stations in Ukraine that served Russian-speaking Ukrainians. (Also recall that while Trump was being accused -rightly- for quid pro quo politically self-serving negotiations with Ukraine, Biden had already bragged about his own quid pro quo negotiations for political gain.)
    Instead of pointing back to those "Dore" Youtube videos, I wanted to point to the Grayzone directly, but their own commentary tends to be more serious, and often longer. So, if people can stand Dore's style, his ability to collect the bullet points, is easier for most people to get through.
    I thought this one was useful:
    Of course, more serious discussions had been going on for years with Steven Cohen (the late Russian Expert) and John Miersheimer as early as 2015 (below), who make the direct connection to Germany:
    Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer:
     
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    I just saw this - It is an interesting perspective
    https://greatgameindia.com/ukraine-crisis-germany/
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    JW Insider reacted to xero in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    It makes for a compelling narrative to be sure, yet I know that there are no such things as "governments", but only individuals acting on the information they have in what appears to be their own personal best interests. This so, I'd need to know who personally stands to benefit and how they benefit themselves. Putin's actions are not unexpected. He behaves as if all other people have the same morals and motivations that he has. He's not a genius, and he's not an idiot. Just who these nameless, faceless bureaucrats in Brussels are and how they are personally benefited is not known to me.
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    JW Insider reacted to Anna in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    Well of course. So you should. But the point is, you would help your loved ones FIRST.
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    JW Insider reacted to Thinking in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    I actually dont know who you are or what your experience is with Jehovah’s Witness as a people….but this is a  wrong understanding you have…..anybody would help to get everyone of the plane you speak about.,.if they didn’t they would be blood guilty…but I can tell you now…if I was on that plane I would get my son of first and get my grandkids of and then turn my attention to every other person…as I hope every catholic or Buddhist would.
    I like to think I would do that even if I was a atheists…and I know many atheists would do that…..
    I would like to ask you were there any Catholics standing there with a Poster to direct their followers…we’re there baptists…maybe there were other faiths and i did not see them….I’m sure behind the scenes other faiths may be helping their believers and sheltering them.
    But  Cudos to those brothers and sisters who had the guts to stand there freezing on the edge of war…to identify themselves so blatantly.
    As to my comment being typical of watchtower writing committee…well then they have it right..tho I did not consult them in my answer as I did not have to…my comment was a humane comment…and knowing the brothers around me…you seem desperate to find fault with JWs….Mathew you will find many…and I would not defend our errors…I acknowledge them and the pain caused by them…but when the chips are down..we put aside some very serious problems and dig in and work together as one…some here refuse to acknowledge that because it would undermine their hatred of us as a people…….and we do also help our neighbors…..over the last years I have noticed the brothers emphasizing and teaching us to be kind to all and to help our neighbors weather believers or not.
    Your words may..and I stress may..have had some weight…in years gone by……..but not for some years now….credit must be acknowledge where it is due.
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    It's just my personal opinion, but discussion can help a Christian be informed. A person might think that in order to be neutral, it would mean that we should state that the policies of India in 1948, or Peru in 1943, were just as good or bad as the policies of Hitler's Germany in 1941. Neutrality does not mean we remain so uninformed that we can't tell the difference, or that we can't distinguish good from bad, or bad from worse, or mediocre from less mediocre.
    Jesus called Herod "that fox." Is it really wrong for a Christian to discuss why Jesus might have called him that?
    In Acts, Luke discusses political corruption, a possible bribe that Felix was looking for, and a political motive for some of his actions:
    (Acts 24:24-27) . . .Some days later Felix came with Dru·silʹla his wife, who was Jewish, and he sent for Paul and listened to him speak about the belief in Christ Jesus. 25 But as Paul talked about righteousness and self-control and the judgment to come, Felix became frightened and answered: “Go away for now, but when I have an opportunity I will send for you again.” 26 At the same time he was hoping that Paul would give him money. For that reason, he sent for him even more frequently and conversed with him. 27 But when two years had elapsed, Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus; and because Felix desired to gain favor with the Jews, he left Paul in custody.
    Was Luke being non-neutral in exposing some political motives and corruption?
    Someone could argue, that all of those examples are history, or that the examples had a direct effect on God's people. But then again, what happened last week, even yesterday, is also history. And Jehovah's people are still being effected by world events.
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    JW Insider reacted to xero in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    ...all I have to say is that being able to block some posters is like having someone run ahead of you on a walk or a run and bag up all the garbage before you get there.
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    thank you! well set out!
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    to see Arauna and JWI largely in agreement on this thread is seriously messing with my head. Is nothing sacred?
    Thank heavens for the Thomas Jefferson of internet, who holds all men are created equal and equally worthy of downvoting.
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Agreed = I have the same sentiments.  My mother, when close to her 80s used to reread Agatha Christy because she said she could not remember how they ended BUT as you say it is sometimes the emotional and intellectual journey to get from point to point in a drama that makes it good!
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Thinking in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    It's just my personal opinion, but discussion can help a Christian be informed. A person might think that in order to be neutral, it would mean that we should state that the policies of India in 1948, or Peru in 1943, were just as good or bad as the policies of Hitler's Germany in 1941. Neutrality does not mean we remain so uninformed that we can't tell the difference, or that we can't distinguish good from bad, or bad from worse, or mediocre from less mediocre.
    Jesus called Herod "that fox." Is it really wrong for a Christian to discuss why Jesus might have called him that?
    In Acts, Luke discusses political corruption, a possible bribe that Felix was looking for, and a political motive for some of his actions:
    (Acts 24:24-27) . . .Some days later Felix came with Dru·silʹla his wife, who was Jewish, and he sent for Paul and listened to him speak about the belief in Christ Jesus. 25 But as Paul talked about righteousness and self-control and the judgment to come, Felix became frightened and answered: “Go away for now, but when I have an opportunity I will send for you again.” 26 At the same time he was hoping that Paul would give him money. For that reason, he sent for him even more frequently and conversed with him. 27 But when two years had elapsed, Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus; and because Felix desired to gain favor with the Jews, he left Paul in custody.
    Was Luke being non-neutral in exposing some political motives and corruption?
    Someone could argue, that all of those examples are history, or that the examples had a direct effect on God's people. But then again, what happened last week, even yesterday, is also history. And Jehovah's people are still being effected by world events.
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    When waiting at the airport why not kiss every deboarding passenger, rather than searching out your own loved one?
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