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    JW Insider got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 12 : 6. 1260 days. Revelation 12 : 14. a time and times and half a time. 3½ times = 3½ years, of 360 days Prophetic calender   
    True, but it was always a FULL month added, not a partial month. There is no such thing as inserting a partial lunar month. A lunar month always started on the day when the first new moon crescent would appear. If anyone tried to add a partial month, then every month after that could never begin on the day of the first new moon crescent. The phases would become meaningless, and no one would be able to tell for themselves what day it was, nor when to celebrate a holiday.
    There is no way to know exactly what method was used throughout Jewish history, but it ultimately settled into a system similar to the Babylonians, where full months were added every two or three years to make a 13 month year instead of a 12 month year. The cycle repeated every 19 solar years because that many solar years just happens to almost exactly equal 235 lunar months, always counting from new moon to new moon. if every year was left at 12 lunar months, there would only be 19 x 12 = 228 months, so they had to add 7 more full months every 19 years.
    Tropical year = 365.24219879 days. 365.24219879 x 19 = 6,939.602 days (every 19 years) Synodic month = 29.53058868 days. 29.53058868 x 235 = 6,939.688 days (every 235 months)     The Insight book acknowledges this: *** it-1 p. 390 Calendar ***
    We do not find record of a definitely fixed or standardized form of Jewish calendar until the fourth century of our Common Era (c. 359 C.E.), when Hillel II specified that the leap years of 13 months should be the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th of each 19 years. Such a 19-year cycle is commonly called the Metonic cycle, after the Greek mathematician Meton (of the fifth century B.C.E.), although there is also evidence that such a cycle was perfected before him by the Babylonians. (See Babylonian Chronology, 626 B.C.–A.D. 75, by R. A. Parker and W. H. Dubberstein, 1971, pp. 1, 3, 6.)
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Space Merchant in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Just saw a Youtube episode of Jimmy Dore (below) who hits many of the same points that I (and others) have made about Ukraine. A little too defensive of Putin, and too snarky in general, but accurate on most of the points he does present. Some of the best points are about the hypocrisy of the U.S. rhetoric, a point he actually understates.
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Melinda Mills in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    "In the early morning hours of February 24, 2022, Russia began a military invasion of Ukraine, despite the efforts of world leaders to avoid war."
    That statement from the website is bland enough, as you say. Of course, that particular quote from the website could just as easily have been worded to the effect of:
    After world leaders had spent 8 years pushing war in Ukraine and avoiding offers from Russia for negotiations to avoid war --and while those same world leaders pumped in BILLIONS of dollars of military weapons so that Ukraine could continue to bomb citizens in its own Russian-speaking regions-- Russia finally takes military action itself and invades Ukraine.
    My concern goes a bit farther here. I understand why there is a need at Bethel to continue trying to identify and settle on a current candidate for the King of the North and the King of the South, but it strikes me as very arbitrary and shows a real lack of neutrality to make such statements as this in the article:
    "Watch the video Fulfilled Prophecy—Daniel Chapter 11 to learn why Russia and its allies can be identified as the king of the north."
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    It did create a barrier during Soviet times, according to Baran’s book. A reference or two during Rutherford’s time to the “Iron curtain” didn’t help either. Could they not have said ‘guardrail?’
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Thinking in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    "In the early morning hours of February 24, 2022, Russia began a military invasion of Ukraine, despite the efforts of world leaders to avoid war."
    That statement from the website is bland enough, as you say. Of course, that particular quote from the website could just as easily have been worded to the effect of:
    After world leaders had spent 8 years pushing war in Ukraine and avoiding offers from Russia for negotiations to avoid war --and while those same world leaders pumped in BILLIONS of dollars of military weapons so that Ukraine could continue to bomb citizens in its own Russian-speaking regions-- Russia finally takes military action itself and invades Ukraine.
    My concern goes a bit farther here. I understand why there is a need at Bethel to continue trying to identify and settle on a current candidate for the King of the North and the King of the South, but it strikes me as very arbitrary and shows a real lack of neutrality to make such statements as this in the article:
    "Watch the video Fulfilled Prophecy—Daniel Chapter 11 to learn why Russia and its allies can be identified as the king of the north."
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    No - in your home you may try to talk to a perpetrator and get out of a bad situation (I have done it while in field service).  But taking a gun with intention to use it (because it can be fatal), is NOT following the loving teachings of Christ.  On the other hand - to join a national / political army - which has the function of killing at the command of another person who is following government orders (without personal discrimination) is taking sides with the beast.
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Revelation 12 : 6. 1260 days. Revelation 12 : 14. a time and times and half a time. 3½ times = 3½ years, of 360 days Prophetic calender   
    Please stop playing the victim. You bully and insult and pick fights an then accuse and play victim..... what a playbook!  
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    JW Insider reacted to Dmitar in Not sure if anyone saw this before concerning the Rephaim   
    Pe·sach /ˈpāˌsäKH/ noun
    1.Jewish term for the Passover festival.   
    Month of Nissan. I just want to see if you are still critical with words with me, when you're not with others. I see you still are. 
     
    However, thanks, now I know why you're so conflicted with 607 BC.
    In 2021, we are in year 5781 of the Jewish calendar (September 19, 2020 - September 6, 2021), and in
    September the calendar enters the year 5782 (September 6, 2021 -May 19, 2022).
    Rosh Hashana & Vayalekh (And He Went) 25 Sep-1 Oct 2022 (29 Elul-5782-6 Tishrei 5783
     
    I'll ask @TrueTomHarley next time. Maybe he will give the visitor a better answer.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Amidstheroses in Not sure if anyone saw this before concerning the Rephaim   
    A serious question for me? You can't be serious!
    In the Jewish calendar, the year 2023 AD starts at midnight on January 1, 2023 in at least 24 different major time zones. (Technically, there are about 40 time zones, when you include those minor time zones in a few places that are drawn at intervals of only 30 or 45 minutes. So some purists like to give precedence to the time zone in Jerusalem.)
    When 2023 starts on January 1st, it will be the 8th of Tevet, 5783 in the Jewish Calendar. Tevet 8, of course, would have actually started at sundown on the evening before: December 31, 2022.
    If you were specifically asking when the year 2023 starts in the Jewish Calendar, then it started about Tishri 1, 1739 BCE. This could have been around the time of Hammurabi, or Joseph in Egypt. 3,760 years ago.
    Of course, I suspect that you were really making a reference similar to the one that early Watch Tower magazines made when they would imply that the Jewish year 1915 really starts in October 1914, or something like that. That kind of implication is not accurate. However, if that is what you meant then you may have had in mind Rosh Ha-Shana on Tishri 1, 2022 (a.k.a., September 25, 2022 after sunset). But that is technically the new year 5783, not 2023.
    Hope that answers your question.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Dmitar in Not sure if anyone saw this before concerning the Rephaim   
    I think I know what you mean, but just so that no one gets confused, there is no such thing as "the month of PESACH."
    You seem to have meant the month that contains Pesach (Passover), which is the month of NISAN. Passover (Pesach), to the Jews, starts on Nisan 15 and begins the week-long festival of unleavened bread that lasts up to Nisan 21/22. For us, we say Passover starts a day earlier, on Nisan 14, and therefore we separate it from the week-long festival.
    Also, I'm sure you knew this, but for others who might be interested, "Rosh Chodesh" is merely the name of the observance of every new moon, not just the one on Nisan 1, but also Iyyar 1 (Tammuz 1), Tishri 1, Heshvan 1, Adar-II 1 etc.
    But this has nothing to do with your original question about when the year 2023 C.E. begins in the Jewish calendar. You asked:
    Even though the so-called sacred calendar can be said to start a new year in the spring on Nisan 1 (not Nisan 14/15) and the so-called secular/agricultural calendar can be said to start the new year in the autumn on Tishri 1, neither of these two dates has anything to do with when the year 2023 begins. That will always be January 1st.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 12 : 6. 1260 days. Revelation 12 : 14. a time and times and half a time. 3½ times = 3½ years, of 360 days Prophetic calender   
    This is true, and as others have pointed out, this is the basis for turning the "7 times" of Daniel 4 into 2,520 days, rather than 2,557 days (7x365.25 = 2,556.75). Of course, since we claim that nothing very notable actually happened after 2,520 days, we look to see what might have happened if we use the a "prophetic formula" found in Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6 to change that same number of days into years.
    But, according to the Watchtower's teaching on this period, we don't stay consistent with a 360-day year. We quickly switch it up to a 365.25 day year, or full calendar year. That's because if we claimed that Daniel really meant 360 day years for the prophetic fulfillment, then we would only be able to reach from 607 BCE to about 1877 CE. Even if the Watchtower started counting from the correct date for the destruction of Jerusalem, it would only reach to about 1897.
    The Watchtower actually doesn't give a good reason for switching from 360 to 365.25 when calculating the fulfillment of the prophecy, as you can see from the article that attempts to explain it. 
    *** w64 12/15 p. 759 Why the Changes in World Governments Since 1914? ***
    The year of the Jewish and Babylonian calendars varied in length from as low as 354 days to as high as 385 days. But in the Bible’s symbolic or prophetic “time,” or year, the number of days is fixed at 360. Seven of such years would be 7 X 360 = 2,520 days. This is corroborated by the statement in Revelation 12:6, 14, where it speaks of “a time and times and half a time” or three and one-half times, as 1,260 days. If we divide 1,260 by three and one-half (3.5), it gives us three hundred and sixty (360) days to a “time,” or year.
    As to the greater length of time that these 2,520 days pictured, we find the rule of “a day for a year” in a prophecy of Ezekiel, who prophesied contemporaneously with Daniel and who also had the matter of “bands” connected with his prophecy. Another prophecy by Daniel with respect to the first coming of the Messiah, namely, the prophecy of the “seventy weeks,” is understood by Bible scholars to apply the same rule.—Ezek. 4:6; Dan. 9:24, 25. See also Numbers 14:34, which deals with a period of punishment or disfavor.
    Therefore, the 2,520 days of the “seven times” would be 2,520 years in fulfillment. These years, in their fulfillment, would not be merely 360 days each, but full calendar years as we count them. For we must remember that the variation of the Jewish calendar was to adjust the lunar year to harmonize with the solar year. It could be termed a “soli-lunar” or “bound lunar” year. Days, or months, were inserted at intervals to make up the difference of approximately eleven days between the lunar and the solar year. By this means the seasons always fell in their proper place in the calendar. So their calendar would be almost exactly in line with the currently used Gregorian calendar. So the 2,520 years are to be counted as solar years.
    I don't think that's true. (It's possible though.)
    The method of counting the number of days from one month to another would sometimes be rounded off to 30, even though half the Hebrew months contained 29 days. It was easier to count a very close estimate this way rather than use the true average of a Hebrew month which was 29.5 days. There are still legacy financial systems today that use this 30 day month estimation for calculations of bank interest and "time-value" of money. That's why Microsoft added the 360-day year formula to Microsoft Excel.

    The Babylonians also built counting systems on multiples of 30 and 60, even though they were well aware of the need to keep adjusting their years between 354 days and 384 days to keep an average of 365. The Jews were aware of this too, which is why the apocryphal book of Enoch made so much of the fact that he lived to be 365, and Enoch gets the vision in this book about creating an ideal calendar based on 360, but with an extra day added to each of 4 "seasons" to bring a calendar close to 365.  Although priestly Jews may have tried to keep an "ideal" astronomical calendar to help them know when intercalary months should be added, the actual practical calendar in use by the Jewish people always made use of the day of the month., based on watching for certain phases of the moon.
    This is true enough. But the Egyptians also knew that the real year contained 365.25 days. So they had a 5 day holiday every year, but didn't add a leap day every four years as we do for our modern calendar. You probably read things like this when you looked it up: https://www.infoplease.com/calendars/history/history-egyptian-calendar
    About 4000 B.C. they added five extra days at the end of every year to bring it more into line with the solar year.1 These five days became a festival because it was thought to be unlucky to work during that time.
    The Egyptians had calculated that the solar year was actually closer to 3651/4 days, but instead of having a single leap day every four years to account for the fractional day (the way we do now), they let the one-quarter day accumulate. ...
    In addition to the civic calendar, the Egyptians also had a religious calendar that was based on the 291/2-day lunar cycle and was more closely linked with agricultural cycles and the movements of the stars.
    There are a couple more 3.5 year periods that may have been seen in the first Christian century. There is nothing that definitively states that Jesus ministry was exactly 3.5 years. John evidently highlights a single year of Jesus' ministry. It's assumed to be 3.5 years as a fulfillment of Daniel's 70-weeks prophecy. There is also a potential 3.5 year period between the time of Jesus death/resurrection and the general opening up of the preaching work to the Gentiles. And there is another one possible from the time when Roman armies first encroached upon Jerusalem in 66 CE reaching up to the final destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple in 70 CE. Some Bible commentators try to make a lot out of this period, too, in discussing the meaning of Revelation.
    Revelation may have also been making an allusion to a well known and necessary lesson about how earnest prayer gave the power to overcome 3.5 years of tribulation in Israel:
    (James 5:17) 17 E·liʹjah was a man with feelings like ours, and yet when he prayed earnestly for it not to rain, it did not rain on the land for three years and six months.
     
    Good question. The Jews would likely have continued using the standard Hebrew calendar that switched between 12-month years and 13-month years so that it would average 365.25 over time. They had been using this since Babylonian times or before, and Hillel says they continued to use this method even a couple hundred years after the first century.
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    JW Insider reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    You know, after viewing JWI’s video, I look at this with more skepticism.
    It is really just Frazer’s opinion that Putin, aware of the past, wants to drive its repetition, as though on a holy quest. He doesn’t really present facts to link the two. You could even paint Putin as the hero in that he wishes to preserve the traditional role and definition of family. Fraser (I think) is more “progressive” in these matters.
    It’s hard to tread water in a sea of liars. I almost regret posting it. Our organization itself avoids getting so specific. Bland though their ‘current events’ articles can seem, (see today’s website lead: ‘Russia Invades Ukraine: Is Bible Prophesy Being Fulfilled?) it is safest to simply point to Daniel pushing and shoving verses and leave it at that. They’re actually just latching on to a headline, but in no way do they explore it.
    (Or maybe I’m just mad that he called our tracts “cringeworthy.”)
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    JW Insider reacted to Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Here is an article which explains the background history of Ukraine and the legal entanglements involved.
     
    https://wp.me/p4s7Yf-diN
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Just saw a Youtube episode of Jimmy Dore (below) who hits many of the same points that I (and others) have made about Ukraine. A little too defensive of Putin, and too snarky in general, but accurate on most of the points he does present. Some of the best points are about the hypocrisy of the U.S. rhetoric, a point he actually understates.
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Pudgy in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Grandma get your gun!
    79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska takes part in basic civilian combat training organized by Ukraine’s National Guard amid warnings about Russia possibly invading further into Ukraine. Mariupol (the city near the border with Russia), 2022. Like a lot of people, I saw repeated reports about 79-year-old great-grandmother, Valentyna Konstantynovska, learning how to shoot the enemy in the event of a Russian invasion, organized by Ukraine’s National Guard.
    However, it has been pointed out (by Fox, Vice, etc.) that this “National Guard” is officially wearing a Nazi symbol on their uniform.  And members display other Nazi and Neo-Nazi symbols on their person:
    The Neo-Nazi symbol used by the Azov Regiment who staged the “media event” as picked up by NBC The yellow swastika-like symbol of the Azov Regiment showed up in the news reports (NBC, MSNBC, etc.). Members of the battalion show themselves to be proud of their Nazi heritage. Some wear additional SS symbols and swastika tattoos. Ukraine is usually presented as “an embattled pro-Western seeker of liberal democracy.” So how did it also become “a haven for fascists and Nazis.”
    It is not only “leftists” like Mark Ames, Aaron Maté, and Max Blumenthal, who have reported on this. Writing on “The Bulwark,” Cathy Young, a reporter for Newsday, my local newspaper, includes the following sources where this story is now recognized more generally:
    Vice, in fact, was well aware of the Ukrainian connection to Nazis back in 2019.
    What the Hell Are Ukrainian Fascists Doing in the Hong Kong Protests?
    "Nobody here knows who they are. Nobody invited them."
    www.vice.com
      Quoting from that Vice article:
    The above story by Vice was meant to sound surprising, but it fits a larger pattern of similar stories (for a later time). Therefore, without getting into the reasons they were in Hong Kong for protests in 2019, it might be significant to note that the CIA has historically found that supporting groups with right-wing, nationalist ideologies is usually more effective in producing the necessary levels of “violence” to bring about coups, regime changes and civil wars. The same CIA-sponsored organizations that were caught training Hong Kong protesters had also openly trained Ukrainian protesters.
    Of course, Cathy Young, quoted above, and others have tried to minimize the relevance and significance of right-wing ultra-nationalists and Nazis in Ukraine. After all, the president of Ukraine is himself Jewish. Some of the right wing parties in Ukraine have lost relevance since the “coup” in 2014. And many Ukrainians themselves condemned the anti-Semitic, white supremacist speeches during the 2013 and 2014 protests. Some go so far as to say that these ideas about “Nazification” in Ukraine is just “Putin propaganda.”
    Still, there is a very real and relevant significance to this idea that Ukraine is often considered a haven for Fascists and Nazis. To help understand how and why, I’ll consider a quick review of major political events related to Ukraine in the next section. I’ll focus on events since 2014, but the roots go back at least to the 1930’s.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Just saw a Youtube episode of Jimmy Dore (below) who hits many of the same points that I (and others) have made about Ukraine. A little too defensive of Putin, and too snarky in general, but accurate on most of the points he does present. Some of the best points are about the hypocrisy of the U.S. rhetoric, a point he actually understates.
     
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Thinking in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Case in point:
    It's not just NATO pushing westward, which was a "line in the sand" that Putin has consistently held against. More directly, it's the Minsk accord(s), as agreed to by Ukraine, Russia, France, US, etc.
    In them, the Luhansk and Donetsk regions would be considered part of Ukraine, but would be treated as autonomous regions with their own presidents and autonomous ability to negotiate trade, etc. But right after agreeing to this, the Ukrainian military (using the plausible deniability of its rogue Nazi forces) began bombing Luhanks and Donetsk, including schools, hospitals, bridges, etc. There was no real attempt to control these "rogue" elements. After all, they are represented in parliament and other parts of the Zelensky government. Remember that many Russians are living in these regions, and it was mostly because of the antagonism against Russians that Ukraine was bombing their own regions. This bombing escalated greatly in the days just before Russia responded.
    In fact this is what's behind a curious bit of misinformation that immediately went viral, even though it really showed the opposite of what it was intended to show:
    Note the claim on this Twitter video:
    Although it's heartwrenching, it's a lie. It was actually posted by the mayor of Gorlovka Prikhodko on February 21, well before the invasion. But during one of the horrendous attacks while Ukraine was shelling the Donbas region. It was showing the evacuation of kids from Donbas as Ukrainian troops attacked. If you read Russian (I don't) you can actually tell that this is not Ukraine even from the Russian words on the bus that Ukraine would consider illegal. 
    And the journalist who began posting this video under a new, false context and promote it to the tune of tens of thousands of likes? It was one of the same Syrian "white helmet" journalist who got so much Western traction by producing fake videos of supposed poisonous gas attacks to fuel Assad hatred around the world. (Not for nothing, the USA actually still occupies a huge portion of Syria due to the civil war, directly stealing oil from large sections of Syria since that time several years ago, and continues to steal the oil from Syria even today.)
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Arauna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Understanding some of the misleading information often requires a more detailed understanding of the overall problems. Otherwise anyone who even slightly contradicts the existing narrative in the West will just be seen as a Russo-phile or Putin puppet, etc.
    And then there are the American and British leftist voices who just can't stand it when US or UK intelligence services get something right, because their greatest hope (I guess) is to poke fun at the foibles of the West and pretend they knew all along that their own voices were right and big Imperialist/Capitalist voices were always wrong. It's sad and funny to watch some of these Marxists apologize for getting it wrong almost as if they were sure that Putin would only do something that would be completely defensible, or that he would show more morality than the US.  Putin may have had many reasons for doing what he did, but that doesn't mean there is any reason to try to defend him. As usual, leaders like him go well beyond anything that might be considered just and moral, usually to score points for their own nationalism, home politics, personal ego, etc.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Anna in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    A new thread on Ukraine was not needed at all. But I wanted to discuss this point of Ukraine "Nazification" in more detail. I think it's much more important to an understanding of what is going on in Ukraine than many people will give it credit.
    I thought about avoiding this site [TWNM.org] for political commentary, even though I always find it best to try to write up my musings about any topic, political or otherwise. It's not to convince anyone else, but for some of the following reasons:
    in order to more easily see if what I understand makes logical sense when I re-read it. to see whether any challenges to my current understanding make better sense. as a kind of reference for myself about what I may have thought about something in the past, especially useful if at some point in the future I come to think of my past views as stupid To that end I decided to try writing up some of my opinions and ideas about politics on medium.com. I made up an email address for it, and call myself by the name "Geo Politicks" @unpolitick. I don't have a Twitter account or Facebook account, but I might start putting up a few more comments on medium.com. This way, maybe, I can keep comments about politics much shorter over here, where I would prefer to focus more attention on how various political situations effect our brothers and sisters.
    Those who don't care to read my longer ramblings (or who might even find them offensive) will be much less likely to visit a link to a blog at medium.com.
    At any rate, I just started it on 2/22/2022, and I posted only one article so far. I wrote up two more quick articles yesterday, too, but didn't post them yet.
    There is one other point to address, and that is the idea of neutrality. It will definitely be offensive to some here that any discussion of political issues is the same as breaking neutrality. However, I don't think that anyone would argue that it is wrong for a Christian to be against Nazism, and more in favor of stability. Most Christians have good reason to prefer capitalism and/or democracy over communism and socialism, especially when socialist and communist countries prove to be a hindrance to true Christian practice. And there are some nuances to neutrality that are a bit more subtle. For example, if one is quick to accept a report as true even though it was actually intended as propaganda for one side or another of a conflict, then that person has taken sides, usually without even realizing it. Being more informed of the truth or falsehood of a story intended as propaganda can actually make one more neutral, and less likely to be fooled into taking sides. 
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    So after all that I will share the link in the next post.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Grandma get your gun!
    79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska takes part in basic civilian combat training organized by Ukraine’s National Guard amid warnings about Russia possibly invading further into Ukraine. Mariupol (the city near the border with Russia), 2022. Like a lot of people, I saw repeated reports about 79-year-old great-grandmother, Valentyna Konstantynovska, learning how to shoot the enemy in the event of a Russian invasion, organized by Ukraine’s National Guard.
    However, it has been pointed out (by Fox, Vice, etc.) that this “National Guard” is officially wearing a Nazi symbol on their uniform.  And members display other Nazi and Neo-Nazi symbols on their person:
    The Neo-Nazi symbol used by the Azov Regiment who staged the “media event” as picked up by NBC The yellow swastika-like symbol of the Azov Regiment showed up in the news reports (NBC, MSNBC, etc.). Members of the battalion show themselves to be proud of their Nazi heritage. Some wear additional SS symbols and swastika tattoos. Ukraine is usually presented as “an embattled pro-Western seeker of liberal democracy.” So how did it also become “a haven for fascists and Nazis.”
    It is not only “leftists” like Mark Ames, Aaron Maté, and Max Blumenthal, who have reported on this. Writing on “The Bulwark,” Cathy Young, a reporter for Newsday, my local newspaper, includes the following sources where this story is now recognized more generally:
    Vice, in fact, was well aware of the Ukrainian connection to Nazis back in 2019.
    What the Hell Are Ukrainian Fascists Doing in the Hong Kong Protests?
    "Nobody here knows who they are. Nobody invited them."
    www.vice.com
      Quoting from that Vice article:
    The above story by Vice was meant to sound surprising, but it fits a larger pattern of similar stories (for a later time). Therefore, without getting into the reasons they were in Hong Kong for protests in 2019, it might be significant to note that the CIA has historically found that supporting groups with right-wing, nationalist ideologies is usually more effective in producing the necessary levels of “violence” to bring about coups, regime changes and civil wars. The same CIA-sponsored organizations that were caught training Hong Kong protesters had also openly trained Ukrainian protesters.
    Of course, Cathy Young, quoted above, and others have tried to minimize the relevance and significance of right-wing ultra-nationalists and Nazis in Ukraine. After all, the president of Ukraine is himself Jewish. Some of the right wing parties in Ukraine have lost relevance since the “coup” in 2014. And many Ukrainians themselves condemned the anti-Semitic, white supremacist speeches during the 2013 and 2014 protests. Some go so far as to say that these ideas about “Nazification” in Ukraine is just “Putin propaganda.”
    Still, there is a very real and relevant significance to this idea that Ukraine is often considered a haven for Fascists and Nazis. To help understand how and why, I’ll consider a quick review of major political events related to Ukraine in the next section. I’ll focus on events since 2014, but the roots go back at least to the 1930’s.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    It was basically a USA and Western-sponsored coup (regime change) to put Zelensky at the helm. But the previous president was able to get a vote of support for joining NATO just before fleeing office. Not that it was ready to happen because the rest of NATO realized the embarrassment of having such a "nazified" right-wing country in NATO. NATO has to be careful because its charter basically is obsolete and could easily be dismantled on legal grounds if it isn't careful about its actions. After all, it was created to counter the spread of communism, with the agreement for member nations to combine forces to protect "Western" Europe from communism. But if it is too obvious that it is defending Nazis, more nations will get behind the push for dismantle it.
    True. I mention this in the article I put on Medium. Serious commentators will not usually say that Zelensky is complicit with the far right nationalist parties, which can be openly anti-Semitic, right up to top levels in his cabinet, and several members of Parliament. And he is not the only Jewish person in the Ukrainian government. But many Jewish leaders, although not anti-Semitic, have been white supremacists and have tacitly gone along with Nazi ideology and tactics. The laws passed under his leadership and several other factors are worthy of further discussion.
    True. But it's a far bigger problem than just the Azov Battalion. I mention in the article that some have tried to deflect from it by associating it with Putin propaganda, but it's a much more widely recognized problem. In fact I'll go ahead and just post the part about the Azov Battalion from that article, next.
    Before I do that I just wanted to agree with you and @Arauna about the resource and economic angle. And so right about the SWIFT repercussions.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Dmitar in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    A new thread on Ukraine was not needed at all. But I wanted to discuss this point of Ukraine "Nazification" in more detail. I think it's much more important to an understanding of what is going on in Ukraine than many people will give it credit.
    I thought about avoiding this site [TWNM.org] for political commentary, even though I always find it best to try to write up my musings about any topic, political or otherwise. It's not to convince anyone else, but for some of the following reasons:
    in order to more easily see if what I understand makes logical sense when I re-read it. to see whether any challenges to my current understanding make better sense. as a kind of reference for myself about what I may have thought about something in the past, especially useful if at some point in the future I come to think of my past views as stupid To that end I decided to try writing up some of my opinions and ideas about politics on medium.com. I made up an email address for it, and call myself by the name "Geo Politicks" @unpolitick. I don't have a Twitter account or Facebook account, but I might start putting up a few more comments on medium.com. This way, maybe, I can keep comments about politics much shorter over here, where I would prefer to focus more attention on how various political situations effect our brothers and sisters.
    Those who don't care to read my longer ramblings (or who might even find them offensive) will be much less likely to visit a link to a blog at medium.com.
    At any rate, I just started it on 2/22/2022, and I posted only one article so far. I wrote up two more quick articles yesterday, too, but didn't post them yet.
    There is one other point to address, and that is the idea of neutrality. It will definitely be offensive to some here that any discussion of political issues is the same as breaking neutrality. However, I don't think that anyone would argue that it is wrong for a Christian to be against Nazism, and more in favor of stability. Most Christians have good reason to prefer capitalism and/or democracy over communism and socialism, especially when socialist and communist countries prove to be a hindrance to true Christian practice. And there are some nuances to neutrality that are a bit more subtle. For example, if one is quick to accept a report as true even though it was actually intended as propaganda for one side or another of a conflict, then that person has taken sides, usually without even realizing it. Being more informed of the truth or falsehood of a story intended as propaganda can actually make one more neutral, and less likely to be fooled into taking sides. 
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    So after all that I will share the link in the next post.
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    JW Insider got a reaction from Space Merchant in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    It was basically a USA and Western-sponsored coup (regime change) to put Zelensky at the helm. But the previous president was able to get a vote of support for joining NATO just before fleeing office. Not that it was ready to happen because the rest of NATO realized the embarrassment of having such a "nazified" right-wing country in NATO. NATO has to be careful because its charter basically is obsolete and could easily be dismantled on legal grounds if it isn't careful about its actions. After all, it was created to counter the spread of communism, with the agreement for member nations to combine forces to protect "Western" Europe from communism. But if it is too obvious that it is defending Nazis, more nations will get behind the push for dismantle it.
    True. I mention this in the article I put on Medium. Serious commentators will not usually say that Zelensky is complicit with the far right nationalist parties, which can be openly anti-Semitic, right up to top levels in his cabinet, and several members of Parliament. And he is not the only Jewish person in the Ukrainian government. But many Jewish leaders, although not anti-Semitic, have been white supremacists and have tacitly gone along with Nazi ideology and tactics. The laws passed under his leadership and several other factors are worthy of further discussion.
    True. But it's a far bigger problem than just the Azov Battalion. I mention in the article that some have tried to deflect from it by associating it with Putin propaganda, but it's a much more widely recognized problem. In fact I'll go ahead and just post the part about the Azov Battalion from that article, next.
    Before I do that I just wanted to agree with you and @Arauna about the resource and economic angle. And so right about the SWIFT repercussions.
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    JW Insider reacted to Space Merchant in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    Exactly. So if Ukraine, and evidently, Taiwan falls, there will be an insane level of crippling for everyone, even Russia, however, Putin's Ego is in regards to an Empire. Granted as of now it is Ukraine only, it will cause a major issue for many concerning resources, especially in gas and energy.
    This is why panic buying started in Ukraine prior to the invasion, and even here, the Prepper Community are preparing themselves. Only a matter of time until panic buying starts again in the West and within the country of US allies.
    The thing with SWIFT will prove to be a diabolically huge catalyst for what is to come, especially if there is direct action to Russia, and in regards to SWIFT it can cause someone to coin it as an act of war. Germany didn't comply but Ukraine and UK is pushing the US to take action on something that can start an even bigger conflict.
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    JW Insider reacted to Space Merchant in Is the Current President of Ukraine Really a Jewish Nazi Collaborator?   
    The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is more so a political puppet. Although Ukraine isn't part of NATO and is of the United Nations, Zelenskyy supports NATO in regards to guaranteed security guarantees and military support. Zelenskyy is very Pro-West in regards to ideologies, hence the state of Ukraine, something of which Putin and his allies are not in favor of, and in Putin's case, he stated that such ideology is destroying the West, but what he attested to is Leftism and the Cult ideology that, in his eyes, he sees as a weakness. Him seeing this in Ukraine is among the many things pushed him to take action, it is also the reason as to why even Putin sees him as a puppet.
    As for the Nazism part, Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself is Jewish, even having lost family a members in the Holocaust. Although he may not be in favor of it, there are those in Ukraine that hold Neo-Nazi and or extreme Far-Right views, to which leads to some attesting to the fact that the Ukrainian President may have unknowingly having been allied with these persons and or groups, i.e. Serhiy Sternenko. Then you have Azov Battalion, a known Far-Right Neo-Nazi group, and who knows, there might be similar persons or groups in Ukraine, who are now in front of potentially elevating conflict. Putin himself is also pressing on this notation to justify his actions to invade Ukraine prior.
    That being said, misleading information is damaging, and as we speak propaganda is spreading like wild fire to get a reaction and other falsehoods to people attesting even nuclear threats. Then the MSM with their silly narratives.
    Among many things the focus is on SWIFT, granted if anything is dealt with that will cause an even bigger problem for the US and their allies.
     
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