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Not only did that never happen, the clams of China's atrocities against Falun Gong members was irrefutably debunked.
Although I believe what I just said, I just gave an example of the kind of thing that just wastes time in a discussion forum:
I answered the same way that a lot of people would answer, but it can just go back and forth like this unless someone is willing to point to research and/or evidence, and not just unsubstantiated claims and opinions. It must have also been about 20 years ago when I saw the Falun Gong protests in the streets of NYC during the years I worked in Manhattan, and I was fooled for quite some time by their sincere-sounding cries, and all the posters with "photographic" evidence. It didn't take long to discover that the photographic evidence was just from actors "re-enacting" claims. But I'm made doubly suspicious by watching who helps them fund-raise over this issue, and the way they have been caught "red-handed" lying about and denying their direct association with various culture performances, newspapers, Cable TV stations, along with YouTube and Twitter and Facebook spokespersons.
What I just did in that last paragraph is a bit better, but it is still just counter-claims (albeit, more specific) with no real evidence for my own view. At least someone who might be interested can now say, for example: "Hey wait a second, give me one of those examples of FG members lying about their association with FG."

I would also draw Patiently’s attention to the full-blown nudity displayed right on the cover. How shocking!

As Arauna has said many times, you can't just easily answer a question about past beliefs without the context of the times. Most Witnesses, I think, tend to read a lot of our current beliefs into Rutherford's words. Even the idea that "vengeance would be brought upon the wicked" in 1925 seems to impose our current view of Armageddon onto the view held in the early 1920's. It's similar but with important differences.
But you are right that he was predicting that millions of people in 1919, 1920, etc. would never die, but would continue to survive. The advertising campaign in newspapers was a bit funny, because it seemed to make use of a formula that was based on a certain percentage of the population of a city, and predict that thousands, or tens of thousands would never die in that particular city.  
The reference to the recent "100 Years Ago" article about the "Harp" book was just a point about how we keep referring back to the time period. Yes, there are a few hints in the images of the questions, but I was referring to the entire purpose of the book: to prepare people for the "miracle" of everlasting life that was already in effect for millions of persons. Those were persons NOT currently associated with the Bible Students, but who would cooperate with the new government, already legally established.
My two copies, like many online images of the book, include the phrase about the "Millions" embossed onto the cover:
 

I think that you are right, and that even and "Srecko" and "Patiently" already have a good idea, too. When I said that most of the brothers and sisters don't really know what JFR meant, I was referring to those don't have much interest and those who don't go to the trouble to look up things for themselves.
I really didn't think this was anything you didn't know already. Besides, the question has already been discussed previously on the forum. I didn't mean to come across like I was "teasing" or "irritated" but you gave me the impression that you had some information that you already knew must have been true, but you wanted a Witness to admit to it, so that you could use it to somehow prove that JWs are false prophets, or at least blame the GB. You've done this many times already. It just seemed silly that you would go to a time 100 years ago to somehow prove what we are now.
Also, I was truly interested in what other Witnesses thought, and I was glad that a few others weighed in. I didn't expect you to be so impatient, Patiently.

I think that you are right, and that even and "Srecko" and "Patiently" already have a good idea, too. When I said that most of the brothers and sisters don't really know what JFR meant, I was referring to those don't have much interest and those who don't go to the trouble to look up things for themselves.
I really didn't think this was anything you didn't know already. Besides, the question has already been discussed previously on the forum. I didn't mean to come across like I was "teasing" or "irritated" but you gave me the impression that you had some information that you already knew must have been true, but you wanted a Witness to admit to it, so that you could use it to somehow prove that JWs are false prophets, or at least blame the GB. You've done this many times already. It just seemed silly that you would go to a time 100 years ago to somehow prove what we are now.
Also, I was truly interested in what other Witnesses thought, and I was glad that a few others weighed in. I didn't expect you to be so impatient, Patiently.

There are at least 20 places I found online where you can get "The Harp" (1921) for free. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/12868/pg12868-images.html
You can also get the booklet "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" (1920) for free here and a few other places.

 

As Arauna has said many times, you can't just easily answer a question about past beliefs without the context of the times. Most Witnesses, I think, tend to read a lot of our current beliefs into Rutherford's words. Even the idea that "vengeance would be brought upon the wicked" in 1925 seems to impose our current view of Armageddon onto the view held in the early 1920's. It's similar but with important differences.
But you are right that he was predicting that millions of people in 1919, 1920, etc. would never die, but would continue to survive. The advertising campaign in newspapers was a bit funny, because it seemed to make use of a formula that was based on a certain percentage of the population of a city, and predict that thousands, or tens of thousands would never die in that particular city.  
The reference to the recent "100 Years Ago" article about the "Harp" book was just a point about how we keep referring back to the time period. Yes, there are a few hints in the images of the questions, but I was referring to the entire purpose of the book: to prepare people for the "miracle" of everlasting life that was already in effect for millions of persons. Those were persons NOT currently associated with the Bible Students, but who would cooperate with the new government, already legally established.
My two copies, like many online images of the book, include the phrase about the "Millions" embossed onto the cover:
 

I think that you are right, and that even and "Srecko" and "Patiently" already have a good idea, too. When I said that most of the brothers and sisters don't really know what JFR meant, I was referring to those don't have much interest and those who don't go to the trouble to look up things for themselves.
I really didn't think this was anything you didn't know already. Besides, the question has already been discussed previously on the forum. I didn't mean to come across like I was "teasing" or "irritated" but you gave me the impression that you had some information that you already knew must have been true, but you wanted a Witness to admit to it, so that you could use it to somehow prove that JWs are false prophets, or at least blame the GB. You've done this many times already. It just seemed silly that you would go to a time 100 years ago to somehow prove what we are now.
Also, I was truly interested in what other Witnesses thought, and I was glad that a few others weighed in. I didn't expect you to be so impatient, Patiently.

There are at least 20 places I found online where you can get "The Harp" (1921) for free. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/12868/pg12868-images.html
You can also get the booklet "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" (1920) for free here and a few other places.

 

As Arauna has said many times, you can't just easily answer a question about past beliefs without the context of the times. Most Witnesses, I think, tend to read a lot of our current beliefs into Rutherford's words. Even the idea that "vengeance would be brought upon the wicked" in 1925 seems to impose our current view of Armageddon onto the view held in the early 1920's. It's similar but with important differences.
But you are right that he was predicting that millions of people in 1919, 1920, etc. would never die, but would continue to survive. The advertising campaign in newspapers was a bit funny, because it seemed to make use of a formula that was based on a certain percentage of the population of a city, and predict that thousands, or tens of thousands would never die in that particular city.  
The reference to the recent "100 Years Ago" article about the "Harp" book was just a point about how we keep referring back to the time period. Yes, there are a few hints in the images of the questions, but I was referring to the entire purpose of the book: to prepare people for the "miracle" of everlasting life that was already in effect for millions of persons. Those were persons NOT currently associated with the Bible Students, but who would cooperate with the new government, already legally established.
My two copies, like many online images of the book, include the phrase about the "Millions" embossed onto the cover:
 

I am reading one of the older publications at present...... but I see what I can " learn from it in the light of 2021 vision"  sometimes it provides a pleasant surprise ....or just what I expected.... not full understanding at the time... BUT.. I do not critisized it with 2021 hindsight. It is the "motive " one has when one looks back.
I do not indulge these people who seem to have ulterior motives... who look to the past and critisize it and do it with a pretense of not understanding......... I recall that that Satan pretended not to know when he said :  is it so...... you are not to eat from .... 

Well there is virtual reality gaming now. In this day and age, even my generation, video games aren't for younger people anymore. In my case, I do not play as much, very little, compared to my brother, who is 3 years older than me, him being 32, plays a lot of strategy.

Being a top expert generally means mastering 1 or at most 2 areas of a profession. Some people have the intellectual ability, but also some talent, to master several areas. For example, one JW elder was a mechanical engineer, talented in music, he directed, I think, all the dramas for congresses in some 20 years, he was an excellent listener and speaker and interlocutor. But, unfortunately, he raised his hand against himself in 2013 and violently ended his life. Sometimes I wonder how he would have reacted, had he stayed alive until 2015, to my exit from the Organization, because we felt one nice affection for each other.
I am one of those who have a sense of various everyday practical skills, but at the same time I see the disadvantages of such an approach. But on the other hand, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find responsible and capable people who can do some work. Let’s say construction work, on repairing or renovating a house or roof. There is also the issue of money to pay for the works. Basically, being "your own master" is better than nothing.
Perhaps Video Games should be created to help players master skills such as plastering a wall, laying ceramic tiles, electrical installations and the like.  

Well, the simplest explanation, as indicated by the principle of Ockham's Razor, is that you are a lizard with human skin (as in the "V" series).
I hope your health does not suffer (too much) from lack of sleep, and so the rest of us enjoy your posts. (At least some of us)

I even helped in out with this. He wanted a copy of Nelson Barbour’s will. I ran down to the courthouse to fetch one for him.
The evidence points to Nelson not ending up as a wealthy man. He bequeaths specific pieces of furniture to various parties..

@JW Insider Indeed, because the MSM tend to rage against the Orange Man, and or anyone against the Agenda.
Yes there are various groups that spawn from both sides, the ones more notable is ANTIFA and their adversary, The Proud Boys. In ANTIFA's case, they tend to simply attack anyone that do not agree with them, in most cases, anyone who is a white male, granted today's society pushes such attacks on people.
This is true, I have confronted some Leftist before, and they have provided the sources they deem is true, even when challenged and corrected, they refuse to listen and can get violent.

The only leader of the group I had ran into directly was Berkeley teacher Yvette Felarca of BAMN, a militant, far left group, and this woman was extremely aggressive, was not too happy of paraphrased Bible verses, of which she deems hate speech, so much so, she deems those using anything Christian based used against her and her group as "Bible-thumping bigots" and automatically assume the person, myself, as a Democrat. The irony was unlike many they could have assaulted me right then and there, but because I was black, they also assumed I was associated with BLM, granted, BAMN supports BLM, especially in the in Berkeley situation back in 2014, as is what she did afterwards with  Milo Yiannopoulos, who is a British Far/Alt-Right Winger. Then you got the events of 2017 whereas the Left and the Right were at it, this time with White Supremacist and their leader, Richard Spencer, and on top of that, what the United Nations attempted to do with the Constitution, which failed.

This is true, for the Left will say and do things because they feel they have the freedom to do so, but in some cases, some of their content/comments are taken down, but the majority of takedowns were of people of the right and or neutral, that does not align with those of Big Tech's way of thinking, i.e. Hassan Piker, Stephen Molyneux, the Gina Carano situation in comparison to Pedro Pascal, etc. Other times they do take down things without warning, and or if there are people backing the removal, which explains the case with Reslight, for the fact he speaks about Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses, mainly on a Goggle centric base, it will effect him in some type of way, in general, even outside of Religion, just the Bible alone, should you explain context in a way that someone does not like, you can be subjected to what happened to people like Reslight, for instance, if you challenged Soco Films, a Trinitarian Christian Community on YouTube, you can get shutdown in a way, and or James White followers.

The Cooperate and Academic Left do have some power, although some in Leftism, if they do not have financial means to commit action, they can bring forth influence, for instance in Higher Education, there has been some indoctrination going on of which some realized how damaging it is, as is with some form of Child Abuse being taught in some manner, children given material to sway their thinking while at the same time make them very uncomfortable.

The situation in China, some, even myself, equate it to what is going on with the Black Markets in organ and blood. Speaking about such will often times land some unhappy visitors on certain platforms.

Exactly, there is a lot of misinformation about COVID-19 as well as legitimate fake news, and some truths, of which some consider fake news, in addition to the fear mongering. As of now, COVID-19 is giving those in power more ability to exploits a crisis, and very soon, the full effects will be felt by many in the time of the reset.

That being said, it is always wise to look into things and think critically vs what the MSM says or some other form of media. The last thing anyone need is to be influenced by the MSM, and when that happens, they already have you.
I remember mentioning to Arauna about more dark and stricter forms of persecution, granted JWs are neutral, some wonder how they would handle or react should the powers that be censor them on grounds of the Bible itself, since slowly but surely, some people are viewing the Bible as a form of hate speech (like in schools) in some parts of the US and should it escalate, people, mainly the Left will react.

Not only did that never happen, the clams of China's atrocities against Falun Gong members was irrefutably debunked.
Although I believe what I just said, I just gave an example of the kind of thing that just wastes time in a discussion forum:
I answered the same way that a lot of people would answer, but it can just go back and forth like this unless someone is willing to point to research and/or evidence, and not just unsubstantiated claims and opinions. It must have also been about 20 years ago when I saw the Falun Gong protests in the streets of NYC during the years I worked in Manhattan, and I was fooled for quite some time by their sincere-sounding cries, and all the posters with "photographic" evidence. It didn't take long to discover that the photographic evidence was just from actors "re-enacting" claims. But I'm made doubly suspicious by watching who helps them fund-raise over this issue, and the way they have been caught "red-handed" lying about and denying their direct association with various culture performances, newspapers, Cable TV stations, along with YouTube and Twitter and Facebook spokespersons.
What I just did in that last paragraph is a bit better, but it is still just counter-claims (albeit, more specific) with no real evidence for my own view. At least someone who might be interested can now say, for example: "Hey wait a second, give me one of those examples of FG members lying about their association with FG."

I accidently happened on these girls and now I keep watching.

Her spirit is amazing. I love her in that video. So sincerely happy.

When time travel is invented, retro-police will give a friendly wave to American slaveholding forefathers and they race back through the eons to haul the real villains, the Ancient Greek pedophiles, back in leg irons

I like chess too. Many years ago, I stumbled upon some application of driving a big truck. I enjoyed practicing maneuvering skills. And some games with racing cars. But that, it seems to me, was actually all about such games. 

@JW Insider, now my suspicions have been confirmed! You are an alien!!.
It is humanly impossible to have such an ability to do so many things. I already told you once to explain to me how you made time to sleep. And now you say that you also play video games !!
I am going to investigate if it is correct to have dealings with aliens ...

When I filled in for vacationing Davey the Kid, cleaning his speakeasy account each night, he told me that I could depend upon finding plenty of spare change on the floor. I did. It all went in the PacMan machine.
Other than that, my gaming has strictly been physical. Bi-weekly Scrabble games with my brother (who cheats). And within the last year—I mean, I haven’t adopted a new game in decades, “Splendor” has become a sensation for the family and extended family. For the longest time, I was saying that it is the perfect combination of skill and luck. But I am having to come to grips with the humbling reality that I cannot beat my daughter at it.

This has been very true, especially in the Trump era where any Trump supporter was "demonized' in most of the MSM and this quickly bled over into methods of reporting on Covid-19 data, the promoted view of the vaccine, leftist late night comedians, mid-day talk shows, etc. It all creates a vicious cycle that ultimately exacerbates partisanship and bifurcation of societies all over the world.
I agree that Big Tech, political and corporate agenda is behind a lot of it, but not always in the way people would guess. Because it really is a "vicious" cycle, any side can win a few battles simply by going on a surreptitious campaign to flag what they don't like from another side. If you talk to a lot of people on the left (and on the further left, especially), they are able to point out just as many cases of their own favorite sources and resources being taken down for apparently no reason. Except for the "corporate left" and large-scale culture warrior campaigns from the "academic left," they don't have the money or clout or organizational skills (or cohesiveness) to create the kind of campaigns that the right is often capable of mounting. For the same reasons, they also can't present their complaints as easily.
But if you look hard enough you can find solid evidence presented where Neo-Nazi, pro-Nazi, white supremacist hate speech, war-mongering, race-baiting, pro-pornography, pro-torture, etc., has been allowed to remain amidst complaints when those who complain are instantly labeled "Antifa" or the like and "disappeared." In another type of example, my son showed me documentation of literally hundreds of Twitter posters who have exposed the lies of Falun Gong and the supposed persecution of Muslims in China, all being deleted at once. (He had been following people on both sides of this issue, so had personal knowledge of how true the complaint was.) Exposing abuses by US allies has brought similar swift results to many social media accounts.
Covid-19 related "fake news" has taken on a life of its own, but easily predicted under the current social climate.
But there is also a lot of hypocrisy and dishonesty in partisan campaigns, and there are even those who fake their own "persecution." So we also have to be careful what we trust from every side.

I remember when the kids were younger my job in IT was multimedia and this work included testing of multimedia improvements on a few new laptops every year. We were allowed to keep the excess, and I still have literally 15 old laptops that work (worked?) with Windows 3.1, Win 95, Millennium, 98, NT, plus 3 Macs. But in those days, even before the popularity of Internet downloading, you could get a $5 CD with literally 1,000 shareware/freeware games on it. My kids were always finding racing and simulation games, and you just reminded me that I enjoyed playing race car (go kart) games with them.
Even today, when breaking out the flight simulation again, I found myself flying down the Hudson River, and flying under the bridges instead of taking the easy route over them. I flew low through Central Park and so had to dodge skyscrapers at 150 MPH (240 KM/H) all the way down through Manhattan and made it under the Brooklyn Bridge again before circling the old Brooklyn Bethel stomping grounds. Google flight simulator doesn't crash you if you hit most obstacles (except hills, water, ground without landing gear) but you can still enjoy the maneuvering.  
I thought of posting one of the videos of the building maneuvers, but 9/11 is still too close in people's minds which might distract from enjoyment.