Arauna

Yes - the new Buzz words of the UN is "sustainable living"  It is all wrapped up in their UN Agenda 21 plans for the 21st century and to get all people living on only half the planet..... this is why they have the migration policies.

There is slavery and there is injustice from worldly governments and the slavery which Christ calls us to - which is totally different.   There is also fleshly thinking and spiritual thinking.  The principals of Jehovah will definitely be slavery to some people. 

I recall doing field service in South Africa during the apartheid / segregation years.  If some of those whiteys learn they have to live with black people in the new world they would decline to speak to us - similar to the militant black people who belong to the "five pennies" religion or the black Israelite movement.   This is slavery to them or something beneath them.  They close the kingdom for themselves by their attitudes.

Well one can apply this lesson to almost anything.  How many people close the kingdom for themselves because of their unyielding attitudes - they are the first that will call yielding a form of slavery.  

As Mr Hartley rightly said.  If a person cannot submit himself to others - each one wants to be the king sitting next to Jesus? How is an anointed going to rule together in peace with others in heaven?  Blessed are the peacemakers for they will see God.  Jesus was the ultimate humble one.  We should show the fruitage of the spirit and just be grateful we understand the scriptures and are taught by the holy spirit. This helps us to carry on in a world and congregation where everything is not perfect. The nation of israel was not perfect - but they were used by Jehovah to bring forth the messiah.  There is also a time to talk and a time to keep quiet.   ...... But I truly believe that ego is the source of all problems - like satan.  One can easily believe that you have the right and the knowledge to create divisions. 

I  have a recent example in my own life: been in several Arabic groups and recently joined an arabic congregation in my territory.   I moved from one city to another as my husband changed jobs.  There are brothers there who come from Islamic background.  They asked me not to speak to the newcomer visitors who are men too much. Just greet them.  (Even though some of them love to talk to me - an old silly lady who is very friendly and crazy - they look me up - not me them!). These elders were thinking totally from a Muslim perspective.    I was taken aback?  Is this not the place where these Muslims must see the difference to their own world and culture? They did not appear to be offended to speak to me?

With the brothers and their cultural background I can give them many explanations to prove they are wrong - their thinking is wrong.  I have worked with Muslims and I can honestly say - in the field service the men just love my strong confident and funny way of explaining things......Nevertheless - I accepted the correction and will just trust in Jehovah that he will sort it in his time....  I trust Jehovah.  For a small stupid thing like that ....  I can promote peace and help create peace in the congregation.   I can tell them I have superior cultural insight ...... will this work?  I do not think it will be a wise or smart  move.... Most things sort themselves out in time - similarly the teachings....

I honestly believe that one must identify the slave.  " Who is the discreet slave?" .  The bible asks a question. This slave will be organized so it can give spiritual food to all of the disciples on time to keep them strong.   It is in the congregation where we have the brotherhood to stay strong and get Jehovah's spirit and be encouraged by others. I am not going to jeopardize my place in it for my superior insight..... and I have a very good way of reasoning to prove they are wrong..... but I will not go into that now.

The bottom line is this:  an anointed (or any other) who separates from his brothers has a problem. Especially if he /she is not showing fruitage of a peaceful spirit and uses the knowledge they have to cause divisions.    These dissenters can be mild tempered - more so than other brothers..... but their intent has shifted just a few degrees to make them an enemy of Jehovah while still thinking they are serving the true god. 

So anyone telling Mr Butler he is right to separate himself has proved their fruitage.... The bible shows there will be 'one' undivided nation on earth in time of end who learn war no more.   If you can give me proof of some other nation which does not follow the trinity, immortality of the soul etc etc and are united - let me know......  I might investigate them to join. 

Until you bring the evidence - I trust the  "imperfect men who form the GB - to do their imperfect job - as Jehovah always uses imperfect but obedient men for his purposes. (Noah got drunk- david committed adultery - want more examples?) Similarly , Paul,  Barnabas and Peter subjected themselves to the GB in Jerusalem and went to testify there about the acceptance of Jehovah of the "nations". 

If you are not in unity with this nation - you have a problem and may not be sealed.  This is between you and Jehovah....  but I hate to see people misleading others by kind but deceptive words.  If you find yourself outside the congregation - there is usually a good reason for it.  Do not blame the brothers like Adam blamed Satan.... I need the brothers and sisters - so I will promote peace and quickly forgive so I can remain in peace with all.....  after all - righteousness can only grow where there is peace. 

I do think that the united nations is now forcing everyone to comply as far as possible.  Next week when they sign the immigration Compact one of the stipulations are that journalists would be 're-trained " to only speak positive of the plan.  Journalists who print anything negative will be hauled before the Human Rights court (UN Human Rights Org) which is an organization now run by mostly muslim leaders.  This Compact will basically get rid of national autonomy and replace it with open borders - to get all people equal - this is the goal and the dream.

Muslim leaders are voting each other in at the UN - this is why they (UNESCO) voted more than a year ago that Israel has NO history in Palestine at all!   So Rome in 70CE never happened???  and this organization is supposed to protect "heritage". 

At present - African countries who do not comply to the UN "re-education" of children are already cut off from much needed funds.   Google, Facebook, twitter have received fines if they allow certain kind of speech and are actually enforcing sharia restrictions on speech in many Western countries and of course also complying with surveillance in China. 

Independent journalists on internet are finding their funds cut off -  I used to follow and ex-intelligence analyst who served in British intelligence for many years.  His funding was cut on Youtube recently by Mastercard. Visa and Patreon doing the same.  Many people against this plan are disappearing off internet -  this is really happening- it is not a conspiracy.  

These global corporations have digital clout and their master is the EU/UN  with its utopian  ideology.  All global corporations are now staking their claims and influence to supply the future food, housing, water, property for this plan.  Monsanto is one of them.   All food, water etc will be rationed.... and all other utilities will be provided to you.  Of course - China is already getting ready for this... with huge empty buildings standing around.....  I always wondered what this was for?   Now I know.

I do not know how far the UN will get - but I think pretty far because the young people have all been indoctrinated with this new philosophy without anyone realizing how far it has gone. (this gender equality and feminism is part of it).  Many organizations in America has already been infiltrated....... so nationalism may just be a flash in the pan.   The IMF or world financiers will break the US economy by bringing in a global monetary digital system.  At present the US dollar is coping because of the dollar exchange rate which is propping it up.  This could disappear. 

The large digital Corporations   have been brought in control by legislation or fines to do the bidding of the UN masters.  Bilderberg and all these guys with their trillions have a dream of uniting the world under the UN and they are ideologs who really think that peace can come by providing everyone with one set of morals and laws and restrictions and control everyone.  Digitally they will be able to see what you are buying and selling and basically everything about you.  You will be classed as a favorable or unfavorable subject.... and there will be penalties just like in China at present.....

So do I believe we will see the worst oppression in human history when they only allow so much food to be produced for everyone?  And water and all your needs rationed? I think so.   It will be a tribulation all right.  The dream of satan and his lackeys to bring a wonderful, peaceful, united world under his UN governance.... 

If this happens then Jehovah has been so accurate in his predictions..... The GB have not yet said anything about it..... and they must be careful to say anything about it......I know that. What I see is that Satan is being drawn out of his liar.... he does not care what suffering he brings or if many people die - he is the father of death after all..... he just wants to see if he can manipulate things to get this done. All these people are under his influence. - the philosophies of the last 2 centuries has been leading up to this.  Communism was a beautiful philosophy but together with atheism it brought 40 million dead in USSR and 100 million dead in China etc etc.

The world leaders are so blind they cannot see that Islam is a dangerous religion - all people and all religions are the same - so they think.  They are using it to bring one government.  islam believes it must rule the world so it has infiltrated all the "freedom organisations such as women's rights (even though they have no women's or children's rights).  Iran etc. has been funding many organizations in USA. So when they have served their purpose - satans purpose - the UN will act against religions by bringing in their own moral set of laws.

This plan comes from 18th century philosophers and was picked up by Kalergi - go read about it.  There are other spiritists also involved.  This is why the Lucis trust is so heavily involved with the united nations and the Bahai religion....  I have not read this document below but I quickly looked it up for you  just to give you an idea what has been lurking under our noses all along.  See which prominent religions have been influenced by this way of thinking!

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust04.htm

Yes - the world will soon see the biggest upheavals in 2 millennia.... it will start  with protests  and oppositions groups such as the nationalists ...but then protesters may disappear in the sea of control.

Satan loves to control - anyone who loves to control - has qualities of satan in their personality. It will show very soon!

I have a lot more to add... but I think the implications are huge for the future of the globe. I may not be around but I would like to hear how it played out when I am resurrected. China and these governments also want their stake.  What if there is a great war?   Then the UN will get its wish even faster than anticipated because then most countries will be so relieved to have the UN around and will willingly give them control of unity and peace in the world....... (this compact also talks in a very strange way of freedom of religions - it must be subject to UN thought). 

The 8th world government (mentioned in revelation)  will rule for a short period of time.  They will also restrict religion for their purpose.    I hope they put us all in prison together.... will that happen ? I do not know..... only our creator knows.  But he is preparing us now in a most loving way. 

I agree with what you said about knowledge.  The scripture in 1Cor 8: 1 says:  "Knowledge puffs up but love builds. " So I think we should not judge those too quickly who sit with the problems of collecting evidence or making a decision on this. 

I agree with you when you think all the signs are there that a person is guilty and they get away with such a horrible secret crime..... it breaks my heart too because children carry the guilt with them for the rest of their lives!  Unfortunately - they become more secret once they think someone knows.   

Jehovah is the great compensator......  so we should not just look to this life when we have suffered but look forward to the time when we will not look back and we will not remember the sad things.  Jehovah is the great compensator!  Always remember that. 

I can see at least that you have been badly hurt by this and you are hitting back but it is like ineffective swipes......  I am sure those elders feel the same way..... you just see from the outside.   They are definitely not nonchalant about this. Jehovah after all does see everything and the wicked - those who are in our love feasts and are wicked - they will be sorted out soon.

Just try to keep yourself clean as possible from this world, be just, be merciful and do not judge too quickly.....  and remain close to Jehovah. 

Mr Butler - I feel for you - really.   But one cannot transpose your own emotions about this onto other cases.  It is a serious sin....... but hard to prove...  So lets agree on this...  it is not easy to prove this.   I do not think you know half how difficult it is.  

I know child abuse happens but it is NOT accepted as part of our culture. In fact if the evidence can be proved the person would be out of the congregation immediately.  Hearsay is not evidence.  Accusation is not evidence....... unfortunately....  So Jehovah will bring those to justice.  It is an absolute heinous crime because it is perpetrated on innocent and vulnerable children  and this is why suspected cases are informed to other congregations.

Do you have any other suggestions about how the procedure should be done when evidence is not enough to prove guilt?   We can talk about the implications of this and how it would affect the assumption of guilt before proven guilty..... 

A name does not give the time, place and circumstances something happened - so I grieve with you that they did not manufacture the evidence...   As I said before..... go and speak to someone working in the field and find out how hard it is to prove.... and what was the nature of molestation?  Just touching or what.... if you have the evidence to convict - then sure, give the proof.   Was the child taken immediately to the authorities for tests? ....by the parents?  I think the parents should report it themselves to the authorities.  There are so many level and degrees of abuse that one cannot judge the situation from an outside perspective..... and the lack of good evidence  - especially if it is hearsay.

I am trying to educate you on how complicated the matter is.  It is not as easy as you think.... and if you do not have proof it is  definitely slander....... until hard evidence is provided.  So now you may find out it is not so easy to judge......  unless you have been in their shoes. 

You're right - that was a lazy slip up of words.... I meant exactly the way you corrected it.  Thanks for correcting my spelling too!  I guess you do not know how many languages I speak and just assume English is the only one and English is my first language ...  your contribution tells me you only speak: emotional rant.

Yes - so let the elders be judged by god - but it seems you have appointed yourself as judge and executioner!  And you seems to assume that you know every situation.  Does the bible not say that God will judge those who judge unjustly?   Be careful that you are not one of them.

Oh Mr Butler - you are outrageous.... if you knew the history of Hitler you would not be so quick to make comparisons!     I bet you recall the history of Corah....  ....  so I just leave it at that.  

Mr. Rook show respect for the subject...... who has now got the "agenda" you so quickly accuse others of.

I would like to hear your comments on the captioned subject UN Compact 2018  - that is if you have any..... OCD again - GB bashing.

Yes - I agree - the government authorities have the authority and the expertise to assess if sexual abuse really happened, when and how.  We need only report it to the authorities - since the law for the reporting of this crime have now appeared in most first world countries.  The authorities must follow up on the abuse ........ but in many cases they do not because of fund restrictions!  England is up in arms because sex rings which have been operating for 15 years - where parents have gone to authorities themselves - and the police did nothing!  Police are too busy looking on-line to see who is speaking against the new privileged class!

Of course elders will try to assess the problem in the congregation - but since this is the most difficult crime to prove - due to its secrecy - they may make mistakes.  Elders will have to keep an eye on the alleged perpetrator and if he moves they will let the next congregation know of the allegations.  Only proper authorities know how to obtain proof in most cases directly after it has happened!  When time passes it is easier for victim to testify or maybe as an adult.... 

Children can be groomed too! - especially in bitter divorce cases.  So experts really need to assess this.  Since these laws have improved it has made the task for the elders easier.  This does not mean that they do not follow up.

A pioneer sister brought a boy child to a meeting.  The parents of the child had asked her - they were not witnesses - merely a return visit.  A brothers kindly called her and said to her she must not do this again because she can be falsely accused..... so they really do try to protect us all.    Parents are responsible to see their children do not go to bathrooms alone and vet those they do field service with.   The elders cannot watch everything or know everything!

The law of legal and spiritual confidentiality has not been removed from the statutes! So within the LAW,  legal council need not reveal if a person is guilty or not.... and this also stands if a person has confessed to a priest or spiritual leader.....  So lobby the government to remove this law if you feel it is unrighteous. 

If you really want to fight child abuse where it happens daily on a massive scale then put your life out there : go on a campaign to fight the child marriage, child female genital mutilation, pleasure marriages and sex abuse in Islam...... this will really bring you a lot of attention......  but NO, the reason why you bash JWs only on this subject is because you think they are easier to bash!   Like a true bully you make sure the victim is easy to bully.   Witnesses are easy to bully and deep down you psychologically know that - they avoid being confrontational - especially Americans.  Me - I am a little different.  I come from a strong culture.  I know the American mentality - lived and worked there for 15 years.

So go on be a real Hero - not just a miserable GB basher - go and fight the real cause... out there..... if you think it is really worth fighting then put your actions where your mouth is!

I say what I think - it depends on how you say it  ...... and I am a woman!...... You see, woman do not have as big egos as most men.  It is a control thing with men or to be important or in charge.  Brothers have a life-long battle to learn to control this. Some acknowledge this and some don't.  If they are honest before Jehovah - they improve.  If not - they get themselves into all kinds of problems....

I am not going to argue with you guys - your are so negative and toxic - you do not even come close to understanding how toxic you are.... so lets leave it at that.

If you still want me on this forum then discuss the subject above and do not start to pull the GB apart.  

I have an idea you know nothing about the Pharisees and the Talmud - Mishna and all that - the reason you can compare the GB to the Pharisees.  Also not the history of Israel from 200 BCE to 70 CE and the Greek influence in Palestine..... if you knew the history - then you might have respect for the GB..... and not be so quick to make comparisons....

You have not done your research on pedophilia..... I can see that.  You have not done your research on the outcome on the Australian enquiries and how many organizations participated...... so do not be an  "accuser" like satan when you know little of the history...... 

I will just mention one item to you because I think you are very uninformed ....... 

There were no laws in any country against pedophilia in the 50s and sixties.    Governments are to blame because there were no laws in place.  People were too afraid to openly speak about it.   It was only in the late 60s and seventies that we find newspapers starting to talk about this.  How do I know?  I worked for newspapers........   

So in the fifties and sixties the JWs  at least kept track of brothers they  did not have sufficient proof for to put them out of congregation.  When the suspect moved to new  congregation the next congregation was notified.... this is what they did during the 50s and 60s.  This is way too little  that was done but still much more than most other sports associations did or even other churches did at the time.   Child molestation is everywhere you find children -  it is everywhere.  Sports associations and scouts etc etc.  

It was only in the 80s when one could get a possible conviction - but it is a crime hard to prove.  Very important! - As late as  2003 the first law in America appeared to protect the child from being cross-examined in court in front of the perpetrator - this was a second trauma to the child...... so I would say that legislation was to blame for the nonchalant approach to this problem.  in 2003 the law allowed for a recording to be used....   Today - it still a problem to get child services to properly evaluate children because most counties  do not have funds to give proper support services. 

Legislation took so long because the top echelons of society such as judges and many legislators are part of child sex rings - or do you really live in a world of naivety?  most of these people have their cases suppressed - or do you think you live in a fair society?  Think again.  In England now there has been suppression of rape cases for 15 years because the perpetrators were of a race that was "sensitive" for police authorities.

At present the age of consent is getting lower and lower - did you not notice that?  In California it has changed - so it is viewed as consensual sex when a child is involved.  With Islamic 10 year old marriages and Female genital mutilation things are changing fast.....  and in many countries police do not even follow it up any more.  Only in America one finds people who want to make a buck from their suffering go to court and the law is kinda retro-active because people judge 40 year cases on the current laws and not on the laws that were in place at the time.....

  So there is just a little for you to think about before you spew you accusations again...... So this is why I left the forum because one has to constantly deal with people who spew deceptive information and have not made sure of their facts or do not want to know what is the truth.  They just need an eco-chamber....

Mr Butler - you find this fabulous because it is an eco-chamber.  You saying that what I said fits the GB- this indicates you do not understand what I said.   The GB is part of a nation - these people are not.  Most probably like you they have lost their privilege to be a witness and now take to revenge on internet to justify their positions - something I see here all the time.  The OCD syndrome..... over and over the same of same....  I learnt nothing new here and I did not in the past.    

Jesus had insight which you do not have..... unless you think you are especially gifted.

Jesus was loving to everyone except the Pharisees.  I see a lot of ignorance and arrogance here on this forum.  One cannot answer anyone that thinks they have all the answers and give themselves the right to put themselves on a pedestal - they suffer from the same disease as the Pharisees.

People here think they are especially intellectual.  Logic don't work in them.

I put this here to make you aware.  There are far right conspiracies everywhere -so be careful.  But in the light of George Orwell's 1984 book - this control of speech seems to be part of the "big brother" which can only augur misgivings about this rule of the UN.   ..... and we have bible prophecy to back it up.  Their peace will be deceiving!  When they call that - we will not be deceived!

Mr Butler -  so loving - I do not need cuddling - definitely not from you  and I am not easily deceived as you are.  You have found yourself an eco-chamber here that is all!   People who encourage you in your folly!

That is why I left -  it has become an eco-chamber for apostates - not people who can reason objectively! 

Then you end up trusting the deceivers?    

I am not deceived by those anointed who are jealous of the control by others - as they wish to depict the situation.  This means they want a bigger say - more control?  Want to be central in the decision making?   .... because they are the true anointed?   .......  True anointed are very humble and do not think they have all the knowledge which others do not have even if they are taught by jehovah.   They will keep peace at all costs because righteousness only grows where there is peace and peacemakers are blessed by Jehovah......  These people oppose the GB..... and where can they go? They are not peacemakers but destroyers and sowers of doubt - in very subtle ways! 

The bible clearly says that Jehovah has one mountain of worship in the last days where all will stream to learn the laws from heavenly Zion and they will learn war no more  Is 2:2-4.  These dissenters have no nation - they are  dissenters to criticize and go about deceiving and sowing doubt - great!   This proves they have all the qualities such as mentioned in Gal 5:22 such as patience, love, joy, etc?   Not on your life!     They see themselves as the true anointed separate from the organization???  I have read no scripture to this effect.

Satan loves control - even in minute ways.  People can use their power over others to deceive...... manipulate ... such as quoting scriptures to deceive!  I am not taken in by this and neither should you.  These people have the wrong spirit even if they can quote the bible ad nauseum out of its correct context! 

The organization was cleaned up after 1914 but it was not perfect......  The organization is being cleaned up as we go along and the light is getting brighter... of course Rutherford did stupid stuff - but so did Israel - the nation which Jehovah used before!    But we have a long way since then....... and all this unhappiness is about the POSITION -  not being acknowledged as true anointed and appointed to lead?.   I say their arrogance has made them lose their opportunity to lead.    If they are not careful and do not repent they will be permanent ly rejected by Jehovah and will not be sealed before their death.  

They are suffering from the same sickness as Satan had ..... hence the OCD. 

So many people in Africa live on less than 1 dollar a day..... so be thankful for what you have...... I was fortunate enough to be able to pay for my daughter's cancer operation which lasted the whole day.  It was also without blood - 40 years ago.  The fact that she did not take blood - this saved her life.  I thank Jehovah for having that knowledge to guide me in the right direction.  She would have died from anaphylactic shock - something I did not know about at the time.

Anna - The originator of the subject you referred me to - refers us to the Bilderberg's.  If I remember correctly it was started by the Dutch king.  Yes, all the most influential and richest companies and persons in the world attend this yearly meeting..... and I believe that they are honestly trying to use their money for what they think is a good cause for the world - unity under the united nations.  They of course cannot foresee that it will bring the worst tribulation ever. The reason being that the idea sounds wonderful but it is just another version of communism.  They call it 'communalism'.  Communism together with atheism brought 40 million deaths in Russia, 100 million under Mao se Tung etc etc and today we have a good example in North Korea.

 Soros is also furthering the "no borders" agenda with his billions and has funded many organizations in USA to further this goal - some say to extent of 8 billion.  Most organizations such as black lives matter, Antifa etc has been infiltrated. Soros is also funding chaos.  He made his billions by creating chaos - funding organizations which generate dissidents or breaks banks and stock markets.  There are a few countries (in east and west) where he is a convicted criminal because of his subversive activities.  This happens when people have billions and use it for their own goals. 

The Agenda 21 document is available to peruse and the 2018 UN Compact on migration as well.  The conservation side of it is a good idea.... but the rest is control of all human land, control of food and water, minerals, migration - basically everything and together with 5G surveillance and electronic money - everything you buy or sell will be visible. 

In China at present they know everything about you and one cannot leave the country without permission.... having the right political credentials.   So in future we will not be able to buy or sell if we do not submit.   This is of course part of this new agreement - journalists will be re-trained to only print what is positive about this plan or it will bring repercussions in court.  If 20 countries do not sign - they will definitely circumvent it.   How do I know this?

We have a good example in EU. When EU was created it was only a trade organization - for unity in trade. When they wanted to make a parliament - France objected.   They went behind the back of France and made agreements with all other European countries and therefore the EU parliament came into being - a dictatorship in Europe.  France had to go along after this and is now a proponent of the plans .  EU - I call it a dictatorship because the law-giving body has permanent members which cannot be voted off.  They are making terrible decisions in EU and the members just have to accept or face the financial penalties. 

Journalists have been banned from next weeks UN signing of the Compact - only the ones who oppose the idea.  Many journalists who have researched Islam and knows about its political agenda have already had their funds cut off on Mastercard, Visa, Patreon and others.  THe idea that you cannot sell or buy is already here and most people do not know it!  Many people are disappearing off Youtube because their accounts have been blocked or their funding cut off. 

If you allow the hate-speech of  islam you are accepted and if you write against it - you are far right. ...... So people like Jordan Peterson who talks against the new gender politics (which is also part of this new philosophy ) - are classified by them as far-right .  So this is where the far-left and far-right is the propaganda divide.

All Islam countries are voting for this one world government because they think it is a way to forward their agenda of getting one world government under Islam.....  but they will meet their nemeses when UN dictates one world religion where all religions are acceptable and those who do not agree are in trouble.   The Bahai faith has its offices in UN building (they accept all religions as one religion and have been working with the UN since its inception) and the The Lucis Trust.  Read up about it.  It is basically a spiritistic organization.... 

Of course - the full extent of one world government may not be reached but UN is strong enough to push through its ideas. EU and UN are working together.  Why do I say UN is strong enough? 

The new post modern philosophy with its gender studies and female studies and its cultural communism ideas is fostering revolution at most universities!  It has been in our schools for at least 20 years and at our universities.  But it is now so strong it cannot be counter balanced.  The new gender studies in schools is promoted by the UN and EU and is everywhere.  It teaches young children about gender change, oral sex and anal sex.  The reason?   The world population is a concern and consumerism is a concern to the UN.  So any sex which does not bring forth babies is acceptable. Hence the new morality that UN will force on us.

Countries in Africa which do not promote these gender studies have been cut off from UN funds..... and they need it the most. 

I can go on.... but This is the new reality .....  the plan is real.... how far it will materialize needs to be seen.  But we all know Satan is a deceiver and many  powerful organizations have been working behind the scenes to get their part of the pie.  Monsanto/Bayer is going to provide the world with food......they already have more than quarter of the market...  and we know how evil they are..... if you are familiar with their history. 

I have to go.... but I find it interesting that bible prophecy is accurate!  Who understands these prophecies?   Other organizations .... or Jehovah's very fallible servants.

Another session where it starts off with 'Jehovah's name' and then turns into a bashing session.  Obsessed with bashing?  What kind of Christian quality is that?   most apostates have OCD - I recognize the signs immediately! They have an emotional sickness - they spend their time bashing........ So I will get back to the subject - that of Jehovah's name.   

There are now more than 1000 extant manuscripts where the pronunciation of name "jehova" appears.  Any case, you need no other proof than the names Jeho-ram, jeho-safat, and hallelu-jah to know what the syllables were before.  Plain common sense - unless you do not want to accept this and are smarter than the scholar who has been collecting copies of these extant copies all over the world. 

I left this forum before because the hate is just too much for me here.  It is a breading ground for all the dissenters.   I prefer to discuss world affairs in light of prophecy where I do not have to deal with people who visit a site like this just to vent their emotions which makes them illogical and full of hatefulness.   I have seen arrogance here that it is just too much to waste my time to deal with.  

Fools - yes fools - because the bible calls those foolish ones who spend their time in the pursuit of breaking down.  They cannot think for themselves or ponder on the fact that the history of Israel is given as an example to us.   They were the people of Jehovah (in a covenant relationship with him) but you can study all the IMPURITIES and injustice that infiltrated the nation despite their having a law to teach them what is right and wrong.  Their management of course went without a hitch!  They were just perfect - so perfect that Jehovah never had to bring all the curses upon them described in Deuteronomy!       Despite all this waywardness of the nation and individuals, Jehovah managed to bring his plan to fruition to bring forth the Messiah - exactly on time!     

Today Jehovah also has a nation in a covenant relationship with him.  Are they perfect!  Hell NO!  They are prone to the same sins as everyone else... but they are fulfilling the prophecies of warning the entire earth to remain NEUTRAL to world politics and remain within his principals.  They definitely are PURE regarding the teachings of trinity, hellfire, pagan traditions, and immortality of the soul and many more.  Are there wayward individuals whose hearts are not PURE - definitely.   But Jehovah removes his spirit from them if they persist in their ways - especially if they are just critical and do not appreciate the good things they have learnt!   They are like Esau and they do not have the qualities of the spirit.  As far as I remember hate and criticism of brothers is not a fruit of the spirit. .....    I would just like to have a logical conversation without all these nasty qualities always sticking out as the main theme! 

Claudia: I can only speak on conjecture of the future.  Trump, I think, understands a little of what is going on....  but both parties have been changing laws to accommodate this Agenda 21 ...over the past 20 years. .If you go into the history of trump and the Clintons - there is a lot of blatant criminality in their past.  So as Jehovah says -they are all part of the  Satanic system.      If prophecy indicates the  UN global rule will win.... then they will win. ... no person can stop this.  NGOs have already been working in most local municipal districts to implement this plan and NGOs have been receiving money from American taxpayers .  Vast amounts of money has been disappearing from the American coffers.  I watched a program of a forensic accountant which says that 21 trillion dollars is missing - more than American debt.   I have also learnt that the IMF want to bring out one electronic money system - which will mean bankruptcy for USA because the US economy is propped up by the dollar exchange rate. This will mean that USA will have to bow to the real rulers of the world - the UN conglomerate and the financiers behind these utopian plans.