Arauna

42 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

s in disguise.

Hate-OCD symptons - this is not a discussion.

13 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

ruly hope you are not referring to all non-jw churches.

Do you know what rice-Christians are? 

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

UkrainiansThat are being chastised unto death.

Ukraine is not the first war and not the last - with killing and cruel  slaughter. When the same thing was going on in the middle east - america was killing civilians- no one said a thing. Media was silent.  Now the media is turning Ukraine into holy angels who are suffering and all Russians are monsters. (All humans who do not live by righteous standards can quickly become monsters in some way. )  The countries now fighting each other are are "brothers"  and both are  egged on by, and supported by their highest clergy - the  orthodox fraternity.  Innocent people are suffering  but only a few of them are not taking sides in this war. Even countries are forced to take sides now.... you are either King of North or king of South.... 

UN will soon turn against religion.... it is already negative towards it but will openly thwart the Pope, who has been promoting UN agenda 2030, and turn on those who practice religion. It will feel like persecution for them ....... but have they not been hearing the message ? .... Get out of her my people? 

When they come for us because we serve jehovah, we will know it and hopefully own it

From Jehovahs perspective:- all those now dying will get resurrected. Jesus will judge them in true justice. Their suffering will be over and forgotten- forever, depending on their own choice. 

The resurrection hope and jehovahs justice must sustain us in these times when there will be much people around us suffering before death - such as  Covid induced homelessness and food shortages which later will be almost intollerable. People will say: where is God, there is no loving God..... blame Him for human wickedness induced by Satan. That is the regular MO.  

We must remember - all those dying before the final Day of jehovah (not 24 hour day), will be eligible for resurrection. 

Jehovah has thought of everything. His plan is air tight. ..... no mistakes. 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

who say that nothing has changed in the world have pretty good

Since Adam sinned the world is subject to futility on the basis of hope.  All is futile - all ends in death and corruption........ but jehovah has provided the hope through his Son.  And a future under the freedom from sin through his rule together with the Sons of God, the 14400 in freedom.

The wickedness has systematically grown worse as humans now  manufacture more ynthetic bio weapons and other weapons of mass destruction, animal, plant and human genetic engineering and other deviant forms of disobedience to the ethic principles of Jehovah. The possibility now exists that humans can go extinct.............so the world has definitely changed....... so the GB has NOT produced inaccurate doctrines as you claim,,,,, but have taught us the scriptures so well,  so we ourselves can see when these things deviant things are going into fulfillment. 

In contrast with this you are still drinking milk....... do you not think it is time to start a bible study with JWs to learn the meaning of scriptures such as Roman's 8? 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

How many millions of Ukrainians are currently being attacked by Satan? 

How many millions of JWs are currently being attacked by Satan?

Direct or indirect attacks come from many sources: John5:19:    "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one"

Eph 6: "Finally, go on acquiring power in the Lord and in the mightiness of his strength.  11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil;  12 because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.  13 For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm. 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

t has been made clear on this forum that NO ONE can remove the GB,

That is your personal conclusion. 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

What a stupid commnet that is. Come on Tom, you can do better than that. 

I think Tom is right - and you are the one that is belying your chosen name

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You brought it all on yourself, not necessarily by lapping up ill reports, but by your hastiness to assign wicked motives to your brothers.

so true - as well as your other points.  I hope he takes it to heart.  

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You and @Arauna  seem to think that i should be concerned with your viewpoints. 

We do not care what you think. I only answer for the benefit of others and read their comments. 

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

As for using the fake name for YHWH.

Your rejection is obvious but sometimes you try to hide it.  That is why I do not trust you at all. 

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I wanted to say that the concept applied to Job differs greatly when it comes to the majority of humanity, whether they are worshipers of the “true God” or not.

I would say that Satan attacks true worshippers more than those who are already on his side.  He has a kind of hate-OCD.   He just cannot leave them be.  He goes away for a while and then comes back again and again, 

2 hours ago, Anna said:

I think that Thinking was talking about problems and imperfection within the organization not from the outside.

I assumed that too! but maybe I put it a little clumsily.  I do not agree with brothers who do not think that imperfection can take place in the congregation - that is why I quoted JOB.  He was a  servant of Jehovah but that did not protect him.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

collective but not individual protection in Armageddon.

Before Armageddon (day of Jehovah comes) we will have collective protection (individuals may still be hurt) but the Day of Jehovah is the time we can be sure that the great crowd will  survive. Previous examples - Rahab in Jericho and the Israelites first born when stubborn Pharaoh lost his first born son.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

all the people around us who are not JWs are liars, fornicators, thieves,

No - it means they do what they please (where their own desires lead them), which may include the above behavior.  God has standards and we have to follow them to get Jehovah's approval.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So what kind of concept is this that applies to all people from Job to the present day?

The concept that we all can be tested by satan and must prove our loyalty to god under difficult circumstances - not only at a time when everything is going well with us.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Don’t get mad, but that was the practice of WTS in prehistory. :))

I do not get mad. I just do not like hate-OCD when there is evidence of it. And I usually show my distaste for it..... it gives a bad taste in the mouth,  like wormwood.

What to you mean by pre-history..... 

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

something is “God’s will” then

For me there is a massive difference between gods will - which is part of his plan /purpose..... and what he "allows" in satan's wicked system. He did give satan "permission" to test Job..... read the bible section again..... .

One should not conflate the two concepts because then you will become like Job's friendly advisors who were not qualified to give him advice at all! 

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

for….certainly makes me stand before him as if naked and ashamed…..try to remember that you don’t serve a organization…you don’t serve the GB…but you serve Jehovah and his Son….you must hold on to that…and endure…ENDURE ENDURE ENDURE And  be kind to other brothers and sister trying to stay afloat and never ever endanger their faith that may be getting tested…never ever be the one to extinguish  a flickering flame of faith….because Jehovahs watching one’s like you and me..and he will treat us as we have treated others…and as far as ones like Space Merchant making it….I think you will find Jehovah has that all in hand as well….in fact we need to be thankful that Jehovah even gave one’s like you and me a sideways glance…

Amen

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

At times I wish I had my time in the truth all over again…but I was a babe..and I had to grow and mature..and yet I’m still a babe In Jehovahs eyes…and even those that direct us go thru the same experience…

I feel for you my sister. I am just glad that your love for jehovah was greater than the great problem ... and jehovah blessed you with a better understanding..... and in the new system he will bless you more by compensating you for the suffering. 

My pain came with my husbands death just after my daughter was operated on for cancer.  The events after this..... I also wish I had had better insight and knowledge..... but that is water under the bridge.... I rarely think of it.... but just about the positive things I learnt since then....... which is a bunch ! 

I have been in two congregations where i have not approved of some treatment of someone.... now that i am older i will stay quiet until the time is right to say something. ... i am not a busy body at all! 

But i say something when things are evident and it is not a false accusation or a whim. 

6 hours ago, Thinking said:

understand at times why some cannot see that it happens…perhaps because they cannot imagine that Jehovah would allow such things amongst his people…yet

Well, I disagree with these brothers. The story of Job tells us that we will be tested to extremes and scriptures in the new testament tell us we will be persecuted and mocked. Any opposite teaching is not the truth. If the world loves you, you are doing something wrong. 

During Armageddon we will get full protection.  At present we can fail to ask jehovah what to do, due to imperfection..... or allow our desires to make bad choices in a given situation. It will not push us out of the truth but we can damage ourselves in many ways and those around us.

The worst thing we can do is to hang onto bad experiences. When we think on them ....then we strengthen these memory connections jn the brain and the pain comes back more often. ..... and the viscious circle starts...... thinking on it strengthens memories again and again.  This is where one must learn self-control..... and only we ourselves can do it. 

Praying and staying close to jehovah helps. Take focus of your own pain and put the focus on jehovah.  I often think of a young sister who got involved with her boss.  She later committed suicide. Her mother , who was sickly before this, was in and out of institutions (nervous breakdown)... she was such a lovely person but could not handle this. I used to marvel at her dedication and knowledge of the bible. 

Yes, we all have a breaking point and should not deem ourselves strong.... but we can develop skills to cope ...... and adversity does do this if we practice our faith.  None of us is above being severely tested. Once tested severely, we have an understanding of how dangerous satan can be. He wants us all to fail. 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

again you link God to the JW Org. Can

Of course I link "jehovah" to the org. We carry his name don't we?  You are the one who is mentally in a box...... the hate-OCD box.... 

You are just throwing anything at me. So do not expect any answer -   try to control the OCD. 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

that is exactly what I did when i left the JW Org, and I'm still doing by warning others of the dangers. 

No, that is not what you did and you know it. You went far beyond talking to the brother u had a beef with.....  ... so . Do not act all righteous. You are a stinker and you know it!

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

then I'm a man so i do not know about the problems ladies face in the world or the org. 

You are a stinker! Twist my words for a nasty purpose!   I stand up to anyone who does not treat others well. That is why I see through your MO. 

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But the JW Org does not do this, so they are not following the direct instruction form Yeshua / Jesus.  That is fact, and cannot be sensibly denied. 

When I was baptized, I recall I was baptized in the name of all three -  and we use the names of all three.  You seem to only use Yeshua. 

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Sometimes we (people) understand the same things differently.

Yea - when I was working in USA, I found this the general idea - so everyone can carry on doing their own thing.  THis, I am sure was a teaching of doctor Spock - so everyone can feel important. 

On 4/15/2022 at 2:56 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

comforting statement (made by so called apostate) fo

You just don't get it do you?

23 hours ago, Thinking said:

be a soldier  of a Christ and stand up to the serious  wrongs…with out hatred and remember Jehovah know the full story.

Yes - I am happy you survived it all!  A good example to us all.  (Pity that some accusers on this forum had a problem with the org... but could not survive the problem).  Consequently, they lost their chance to serve Jehovah forever! 

I do think women must man-up.  At work there are rules about discrimination but even then , it is hard to stand up against it in the world (human resources departments.) It seems it can also be hard when there is some sort of discrimination against a fellow believer. In this case we must not let it pass because Jehovah's organization must be better than the world. When brothers act like a clique, then the congregation can suffer... and unfortunately it takes the GB a while to discover this.  That is why we should act according to conscience - when we see something wrong. No-one is above the council of Jehovah. 

Last year we had an elder twice snub a sister while she was answering (she did not speak English very well and the brother wanted her to finish her long, insecure answer). I sent my group overseer a phone message:  Why has the elders not appointed someone to help her to prepare a shorter answer so she does not get snubbed in this ghastly way?  ... something to that effect.   There was an apology and she was helped.   I do not like my brothers or sisters treated openly in a disrespectful way.  In a nice way I will say something. 

I asked the same elder, by phone,  why some elders preach the vaccine more than the kingdom. I had a shepherd call from the CO.... I think it was to sass me out but I retained a good attitude - But if one stands for righteousness, truth and kindness - it must be there at all times.  I will NEVER put a question like this in public where a brother can lose face but I will ask questions in private. 

I really feel one must be open and kind - speak the truth at all times - and be who you are. Do not tolerate disrespect to the weak and weary. There are many vulnerable people amongst Jehovah's people. I have learnt to handle disrespect regarding myself quite well and answer with kind openness (I had to learn it).  I do not care to lose face... it is not important.  Believe me women often encounter this - no matter how high the position (in the world and org) but I do not take it to heart too much. BUT always ask questions if things are wrong - with respect. As a woman I must still be submissive so as not to be branded a Jezebel. I am very aware of being respectful and submissive. 

So far I have survived - and my faith has had its bad times and the good.  I just hope Jehovah gives me courage to act according to my conscience - whether in front of brothers or the worldly courts.