Arauna

Yea - when I was working in USA, I found this the general idea - so everyone can carry on doing their own thing. THis, I am sure was a teaching of doctor Spock - so everyone can feel important.

You just don't get it do you?

Yes - I am happy you survived it all! A good example to us all. (Pity that some accusers on this forum had a problem with the org... but could not survive the problem). Consequently, they lost their chance to serve Jehovah forever! I do think women must man-up. At work there are rules about discrimination but even then , it is hard to stand up against it in the world (human resources departments.) It seems it can also be hard when there is some sort of discrimination against a fellow believer. In this case we must not let it pass because Jehovah's organization must be better than the world. When brothers act like a clique, then the congregation can suffer... and unfortunately it takes the GB a while to discover this. That is why we should act according to conscience - when we see something wrong. No-one is above the council of Jehovah. Last year we had an elder twice snub a sister while she was answering (she did not speak English very well and the brother wanted her to finish her long, insecure answer). I sent my group overseer a phone message: Why has the elders not appointed someone to help her to prepare a shorter answer so she does not get snubbed in this ghastly way? ... something to that effect. There was an apology and she was helped. I do not like my brothers or sisters treated openly in a disrespectful way. In a nice way I will say something. I asked the same elder, by phone, why some elders preach the vaccine more than the kingdom. I had a shepherd call from the CO.... I think it was to sass me out but I retained a good attitude - But if one stands for righteousness, truth and kindness - it must be there at all times. I will NEVER put a question like this in public where a brother can lose face but I will ask questions in private. I really feel one must be open and kind - speak the truth at all times - and be who you are. Do not tolerate disrespect to the weak and weary. There are many vulnerable people amongst Jehovah's people. I have learnt to handle disrespect regarding myself quite well and answer with kind openness (I had to learn it). I do not care to lose face... it is not important. Believe me women often encounter this - no matter how high the position (in the world and org) but I do not take it to heart too much. BUT always ask questions if things are wrong - with respect. As a woman I must still be submissive so as not to be branded a Jezebel. I am very aware of being respectful and submissive. So far I have survived - and my faith has had its bad times and the good. I just hope Jehovah gives me courage to act according to my conscience - whether in front of brothers or the worldly courts.

Excellently explained my dear!

That is the fallacy. A philosophical way to justify anything. .... New policies accepted by most religions is LGBTQ. They say it is 'unloving' to not include the sexually deviant.practices .... and soon the sexual love of children will also be approved.....by government policy...... because all must be 'inclusive and "loving".' This is the basis of the new LOVE..... all inclusive.... LOVE. Love for God and his standards will become UN loving and unlawful.. Whose side will you be on when this becomes accepted policy?

Your actions give us the same opinion. Why is ALL your hate directed in only one direction? Hate is not a godly quality if you were a true follower of christ. Even people from other religions are not as set in their hate as you are..... this demonstates an attitude which Jesus does not approve of. It is not a righteous attitude because your accusations would....... be more logical and not so wildly unreasonable. See above? I guess you have not seen all the wonderful pictures of the future paradise. I think I will cut off this conversation. I have no time to spend with you. You are destructive and the worst kind of leaven. You hang out here because you need some form of revenge.... I do nog plan to be your next victim.

No, I witness to many on internet. I prefer an atmosphere of kindness and love. Here on the forum I just practice my thinking skills - which is hard because those who hate us are NOT prone to logical thinking but full of empty accusations.. I try to avoid those who have hate-OCD but now and then I do manage to get myself embroiled. Silly, by now I should have learnt my lesson!

I see you use only the name yeshua...... but what about being baptised in the name of jehovah? Jesus and the holy spirit? We do baptize in these three. Do you teach Jehovah's name everywhere you go ? Or just teach yeshua? It seems you are the one teaching deviation.

Jumping to quick conclusions.... respect is NOT worship! The brother mentioned the word R-E-S-P-E-C-T! I guess you have missed all the scriptures that are quoted in the brochures. It is not GB words but they quote jehovah as the authority - the only one worthy of worship Not all JWs are good at writing. ... so it would not be wrong to assist them to spread the good news of jehovah and his name by providing tools. But you see a sin before it is there! Titus 1: 15 " All things are clean to clean people; but to those who are defiled and faithless, nothing is clean, for both their minds and their consciences are defiled. " You are acting once again without love. When brothers help brothers by providing tools for them, you see it as a sly way of control. Take note of the above principle in the quoted scripture! People's opinions are usually in agreement. Our core teachings are irrefutable but people who act like you, not from love but hate, are like leaven.. There are teachings which are not important .I.e when did dinosaurs exist, etc. These are not important opinions to have and create dissent for. You try to create dissent from the smallest to the largest question. That is why you say what you do.... your own opinion is more important than the coherence of scriptures in the bible. Brothers act in agreement when they see how coherent the basic teachings of the bible are. They show respect and loyalty to those who also show respect and loyalty to jehovah.... we are a worshipping community of jehovah!

Only Jehovah can sort this out. Jehovah knows if there was true repentance...... like in the case of David.... he was allowed to live after causing the death of a person. .... and taking his wife. Unfortunately, good people can succumb to bad things and other righteous people suffer the consequences. This calls for tremendous self-control, restraint, forgiveness and a keeping of focus on serving Jehovah to the best of our ability. People are people (jws are just people) and we trust that most of them stick to their faith ..... but sometimes they disappoint the community/ and congregation.

Exactly! What a waste of a precious life! All that time and energy spent on negative activities! Non-life non-love activities.

No one has denied that it has happened in the JWOrg. It happens in the entire world where people work with children...... and it seems that it will soon be accepted as normal behaviour in wider society due to the fact that they are now teaching porneia to children as young as five in schools all over the world- part of the curriculi. . Even people who have been fighting against pedophilia have been hiding their own pedophilia behind a so-called hate for it. But - you try to make out that it is one in every ten JWs instead of one in every 100 thousand which sucumbs to pedophilia. You also try to create the impression that it is acceptable to us. We do NOT teach it and neither do we accept it. This is what I object to- that you try to criminalise every single JW. This is not logical reasoning but an overwhelming unreasoning hate-OCD.

After a person is dedicated to Jehovah it is this world- wide organization which helps them to maintain a lifetime of service, teaching new languages and providing study materials, meetings etc. In far off countries where there is not much money. Other churches do not go where there is no money........It amazes me how myopic ex-witnesses become. No- one is dedicated to an organization..... it is the excitement of fulfilling a life-long preaching assignment and finishing the race for life by a dedicated life to Jehovah. The organization is merely the tool.

You are the one who were casting disparaging remarks on the GB and their anointing which cannot be proven....... so do not turn around and be a cameleon.

Believe me, I do not think there is not a person who has not had their feeling or ego hurt in the course if time. But we are all stronger after it. We are all very imperfect after all.

Now that is SA humor!

In the bible itself anointed ones were disfellowshipped. They showed repentance and came back - for example - the man who slept with his own mother. He later was accepted back

You have no proof of that number - it is merely an accusation. since 1957 until the Australian commission there were slightly more than ONE thousand names...... cases where there were accusations made. So yes, there may be more but not to the extend you are wildly accusing of.... in your mind every JW is a criminal ready to commit a ' porneia' act. Also, in your accusative frame of mind you try to pretend that porneia is accepted as part of JW teachings - which is a blatant lie! Who is the fibber here ? Does your false accusations make you righteous before god? Does your false teachings make you more righteous with god? or are you just a hateful person taking out your gall on JWs here, with NO hope of eternal life yourself. Many people choose to become opposers instead of showing repentance.

laughing? You know, my husband says: There is nothing so democratic as the presence of sin in every person. That is why it is so important to be close to god, be humble, and work on yourself every day. While I agree, one can be naïve regarding human wickedness - there is nothing as good as being taught by Jehovah and having the fear of Him. This alone keeps one on the straight and narrow and helps one to maintain godly devotion. Rejecting the only organization which tries to maintain cleanliness (pure worship) according to Jehovah's standards - that is true naivety. You see, while we cannot expect perfection from all brothers ( due to imperfection), we do well to expect them to keep the congregation clean of people who can wreck the faith of others or bring the leaven in.

There are many ways to be trapped - especially when you think you are not trapped! lol

According to worldly standards, not. BUT, most of these people have had a life-long career in serving only Jehovah - only focused on the spiritual things and the things above. It is very hard to remain a hard working servant of Jehovah, especially if it lasts for about 60 years or more. There are many disappointments that one has to overcome, going to foreign countries, and then later in life go to Bethal, and then when one has done menial jobs in bethal - then move on to some key functions.

Another insult - LOL

With regards to the above - I find ex-witnesses love to gloat over any form of negative news or findings regarding JWs. They are losing sight of this: Authorities are letting violent criminals out of jail at present because they are not supposed to be 'confined' ; or..... they are from one of the minority groups which cannot ever be deemed criminal or racist but are criminal due to their social conditions or the past racism towards them or... some other made-up philosophy . All kinds of wickedness is now tolerated as long as the perpetrators profess the new transgender values and the new warped sexual values as acceptable; justice is no longer justice but targeted to achieve the new goals. In this kind of environment "everything" (meaning every deviation) is acceptable to the majority...except a clean condition before Jehovah. Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running? Do you not think this will become worse and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied? Yes- JWs are very flawed as people but very few of us have criminal inclinations........... So ask yourself the question. Whose side are you on? The good and bad values of Jehovah or your own. Take into consideration that this was the original sin: Adam rejected the "good and bad" of Jehovah and chose his own values. In this system you will eventually be forced to except the values of the system. There are just two sides: Human government and its values or Jehovah and his values.

Prove the 15 percent and show the other 95% that you deem unfit to contemplate.

Unfortunately that is correct. All hospitals are only allowed to use ......Rem,di,si,vir........ for babies 7 lbs and more , children and adolescents upto 18 years.....as well..... but they know it causes kidney failure but they do not care! Only Jehovah can bring judgment on them in his due time!